maneater

close them close them close them please!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Pointman

Here we go again - looking for an excuse for our atrocious habits. shebeens have been around for over a hundred year? The rape crisis has been around for 2 decades - why blame shebeens. It is the poor social attitudes to women by our leaders that has caused the rate crisis.
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Memme

This is not true - Shebeens don't contribute to anything. The world is sick and there is definetely nothing we can do about that but only God can save us from this. So please let's stop this blaming game it's tiring.
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MicaParis

'Illegal shebeens should be closed, yes!' Well I disagree with the notion that all Shebeens should be closed, that will be suicidal! Most of Shebeen owners are unemployed and use them as their main source of income. So as a society are we suggesting that they close the Shebeens and start stealing again! That is pathetic whereas we have solutions that can solve the problem and build up small entrepreneurs who have the potential to make it big in business. As a solution I am saying the Police Commissioner must see to it that those shebeens become legalized and Police should be deployed at those Shebeens to make sure that under age kids does not access the services there. Besides Police Department will never win war against crime as there is lot of corruption in that Department and Correctional Services, everything, including illegal acquittal, stealing / selling dockets and even drugs in Prisons depend on how much you have in your pockets! Police are being bribed to commit ''legal crime'', yes because is protected by police. We are heading to a very mafia inclined country soon we will be like countries like Colombia, Venenzuela, Jamaica, Russia and Mexico were crime is out of control! Oh! and South Africa is just in top ten somewere at number six!!
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MommaC

The apartheid government tried to close shabeens. They just popped right back up again the day after the raid.

Alcohol abuse is a symptom. You don't cure the disease by treating the symptom, you cure it by treating the cause
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Kuch

@Andy Mashaile
I cannot blv you just suggested the close down of Shebeens....

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Maezizsto4Sure

What has shebeens have to do with r'apes?Fok man they cant blame shebeens because of irresponsible h'orny Limpopians.Banyana bao le bona ba sele,ba tshwara majita baiki knowing damn well gore ga go fetswa go nwewa tlameile a lo retolla makgabe a nyakaziwe next thing ba docha.
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Shredder

Drunkards or in Setswana matagwa kgotsa matlhapelwa are going to insult Mashaile on this one. LOL
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SOLUTIONS

Blame, Blame, Blame, it is never the man in the mirror, I enjoy my cold ones but I don't go out to rape.
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MissBhakajuju

after they close the sheebens, they going to blame the churches & close them, then close the schools, then close the offices, close everything.

this is a very s.t.u.p.i.d suggestion
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Britata

Illegal shebeens increases crime in our Country because they sell boose to minors and also sell boose with credit...i hate drugs alcohol and our corrupt Goverment
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Risen4romthedead

The ANC elders have compromised the African culture by using their Bantinti mentality to implement evil laws e.g. abortion

Our nation is under judgment!

The worst is still coming

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golly459

CLOSING down illegal shebeens in townships will reduce the source of rape
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( so opening up the legal Sheebens in township or aanywhere will reduce the source of rape)

I dot think shebeens contribute to this,when u close my next door shebben i hv to go and drink far from home and while im on my home i can easly targeted and rape by many groups of this crazy baboons,
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Bleqtoe

Arrest the monsters and leave the shebeens alone. There are two tarvens around my place and never heard of any rape in the last two decades...what a cr@p 2 blame shebeens.
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Tabza325is

This is one of the most stupid excuses ever, if proven that this illegal shebeens are causing high numbers of rape, then how are legal shabeens or any legal place of drinking going to reduce the high number of rape, banning only illigal shebeens wont stop people from drinking and if the rapist is infuenced by alcohol they will find another place iether legal or illegal to drink and get intoxicated, why not ban alcohol in general since it's the main contributer to intoxicated behaviour in people.
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snazz

illegal sheebs must be closed down i full agree
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TDK

Clubs patrons commit rapes too.
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CYBORICO

Hey stop messing people's business just because u cant face the real problem. no girl will be raped if they went drinking with trusted friends(lack of values, anyone who can buy i'll come along) no one will get raped if young kids were to stay away from adult drinks(the bottle and tarven says only for 18 and above), no boy will abuse girls if parents had proper ways of dealing their squables at home(never infront of the kids). No girl will have more than one BF if moms were to do their part, no boy will feel pear pressure for chowink kookooo if dad will provide the right support.
Please leave the tarven owners alone they dont force anyone to come drink at their spot
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Impela

There is a theory that suggests that the solution to solving "big unsolvable" criminality is to clamp down on all minor criminality. The proponents of this theory suggest that this approach works because:
1. It conscientises communities
2. It is within the capacity of most law enforcement agencies
3. It traps the big fish who are likely to disregard minor laws without "draining" the capacity of the law enforcement agency

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ThirdEye

Illegal shebeens must be closed, we cannot patronise them. These are the same people who sell alcohol to underage kids & sell alcohol on sunday.

@Bloggers
If we all ready the story yesterday of 16 to 17 yrs boys who raped a girl who is 16 yrs, some will understand my point(they were drunk), I don't think a licenced shebeen will sell under age beers. This is because they will be afraid to loose their licences if they are cought, unlike those who don't have licenses & who don't care.
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MommaC

Impela

I read about that. It was in New York wasn't it? The broken window rule or something of that kind.

The problem is that we have great laws in SA but we have zero monitoring and enforcement of them. Going after the soft targets isn't going to make any difference if the big boys are left to do their own thing. Just look at how ineffective the targeting of drug mules is. Hasn't stopped the trade or even slowed it down. Just put a bunch of gullible young people in jail cells whilst the real criminals get richer
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Papage

Weep the beloved country weep, we have destroyed the youth of our country and there is no Leader for the future, Cry Mama Africa Cry
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Lehido

Rape starts in the mind, leave Shebeens alone.........Guns dont k!ll people, People k!ll people with guns......

You dont rape because you are drunk, its a concious decision you make when you are sober, it's only when you drunk that you get the cajones to execute your deed.....There is no difference between alcohol from Shebeen and the one from Tarvens.....

If you want to lay a blame, lay it on alcohol as a whole....it doesnt matter where its sold, Alcohol is alcohol is alcohol....Klaar!.....
Even if you dont sell liquor to under age kids, they will find a way to get hold of it.....

We can ban alcohol all we want but the RAPE problem is a "personality" issue, and even sober priests rape.....Are they drunk?


Excuses Excuses Excuses!
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Flemza

I don`t understand this , how does a legal shabeen stop someone from getting raped , I think there is biased reporting , here , if legal shabeen stops people from getting raped then legalise all shabeens so that rape crime can be eliminated according to this report
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Impela

MommaC

Yeah it was New York

Most theories have their loopholes. This one is no exception. What it does however do is make people who are not aware that their own actions are contributing to bigger crime. Most people would tell you that to get a drivers licence, they have to pay a R1500. Most people do that simply to get their licence but they do not give a toss as to the criminality they are aiding.

Most of the big boys if targeted for their big deals can drain the resources of most law enforcement agencies, or like SARS has found, tie them up in lengthy court battles with usually better lawyers.

One thing that cannot be done is throw up our arms and give up!
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra

Shebeens have got nothing to do with r.ape, below is just a few examples of why we have se.xual misfits:

1. no regard and respect for the fairer s.ex;
2. SOME men use r.ape as a power tool;
3. lack of morals and values;
4. lack of or no parenting;
5. disregard to the law;
6. poor and non existent justice system


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Shredder

@Impela
MommaC

Most people would tell you that to get a drivers licence, they have to pay a R1500. Most people do that simply to get their licence but they do not give a toss as to the criminality they are aiding.
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I remember when my girlfriend failed her drivers license test and told me that she wants to buy one and I refused. She was not happy with me saying "Everybody does it". I told her it doesn't matter what everybody does. It is about doing the right thing not what is popular.
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SeshegoGuY

When u close them, Please let Chicks in Alexander (Monday-Mogodung) operate.Only Decent people go there-- No fights!
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MommaC

Impela

You are right, it starts with a mindset. Problem is that we are being pushed into the wrong mindset.

A young girl I know is a radiologist and has odd hours due to her shifts. She was stopped by the cops and told that they need 'cooldrink money' as she had broken the law. She refused. They broke both her headlights and arrested her. Of course, nobody at the police station would take her statement and it cost 500 to get her out - no paperwork but the threat of having to stay in the jail until Monday was enough to make sure she now carries around a 50 note in her ID book.

Until we have a system which doesn't actively force us to be criminals, a broken window is the least of the problems
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imbabazane

MommaC
The apartheid government tried to close shabeens. They just popped right back up again the day after the raid.

Alcohol abuse is a symptom. You don't cure the disease by treating the symptom, you cure it by treating the cause

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Amen.
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KeRataBasadi

Why not close down restaurants that sell alcohol or casinos or hotels or brothels, this is simply a case of going after the easiest target, like their cops that will fill up a police cell with drunkards while heavily armed characters go about their business.
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BokFan

There's a shebeen about 75 meters from my back door. The damn place makes a racket from 7 in the morning till 1 at night. Monday to Sunday. If it irritates me so much how do the people next door feel?




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Impela

Shredder
@Impela
MommaC

Most people would tell you that to get a drivers licence, they have to pay a R1500. Most people do that simply to get their licence but they do not give a toss as to the criminality they are aiding.
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I remember when my girlfriend failed her drivers license test and told me that she wants to buy one and I refused. She was not happy with me saying "Everybody does it". I told her it doesn't matter what everybody does. It is about doing the right thing not what is popular.
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The challenge Shredder, is 'taking the pain' instead of the 'easy' way out. Most people have voted with their wallets and taken the 'easy' way out thereby digging us deeper and deeper into the mud. The theory is that communities would be conscietised into refusing to pay and instead 'smoke' the bribe ring out. None of the people I have spoken to are prepared to 'take the pain'. They would rather see the tendepreneurs smoked out first.

If cops enforce the 'no-cell-phone-whilst-driving' rule (a very irresponsible and dangerous thing to do), offenders are quick to say the cops should be getting the unroadworthy taxis (the mobile coffins) out of the road as these are a bigger hazard. The cops in Durban went for the taxis...well you know what followed...they were being targeted for bribes the taxis claimed, and anyway there are worse offenders like unroadworthy Indian owned buses. The Indian owned buses aka Road link claim there is a personal vendetta against them and anyway they have enough political connections to frustrate any agency with no political resolve and thereby hangs a tale.


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KeRataBasadi

@BokFan
There's a shebeen about 75 meters from my back door. The damn place makes a racket from 7 in the morning till 1 at night. Monday to Sunday. If it irritates me so much how do the people next door feel?
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I know how you feel, some of these guys can be inconsiderate though, ever wish you can bless the joint with a molotov cocktail ?
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The-Rothschilds

Woman need to say YES more often :) just kidding ladies!
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The-Rothschilds

Someone needs to design woman androids that can be issued to the public to rape.............who ever the designer is, will be a overnight trillionaire!
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The-Rothschilds

BokFan
There's a shebeen about 75 meters from my back door. The damn place makes a racket from 7 in the morning till 1 at night. Monday to Sunday. If it irritates me so much how do the people next door feel?
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Go join the party and get laid
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Mellow

If shebeens are really contributing to rape why close the ILLEGAL ones ONLY? Its stupid so now we should blame alcohol for this barbaric inhuman act? How many sober minded men rapes on a daily basis c'mon already stop looking for excuses this is not gonna help anyone and its actually making matters worse by increasing the rate of poverty in country the ppl who runs those shebeens are just trying to make it in this unfair world.
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Mxcm!!!

The-Rothschilds
Someone needs to design woman androids that can be issued to the public to rape.............who ever the designer is, will be a overnight trillionaire!
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Great imagination!!! But you watch way too much Star Trek!!
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Mxcm!!!

The-Rothschilds
Go join the party and get laid
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Consensual laid...or the forcing kind? You're a bad influence wena!
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MommaC

Mxcm!!!

LOL
Google 'female android sex toy in Japan" it isn't as Star Trek as it sounds.
It was on the radio a few weeks ago and had me in stitches
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The-Rothschilds

Mxcm - Im sure they said the same thing about flying 600 years ago when they saw Da Vinci's helicopter plans. My imagination has granted me my success :)


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Mawe2

I guess if there are no rapist who drink at Newscafe Only in illegal shebeens.
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shaharazad

Sheebens should be regulated, licenced and closely monitored. Sheebeen owners bear responsibilty of their patrons. The problem with regulation in SA is someone (in position of authority) finds a loophole (of corruption) and exploit it, thus making regulation null and void. Its like saying guns k**l people, but its people that k**l other people. Everyone who uses these places share a responsibility for their own safety. Everyone knows its not safe (anywhere in the world) for an attractive single female to go out drinking alone till godless hours. I totally disagree with complete closure as they are a source of income for a lot of people. JZ can breath a sigh of relief, this is not his field, but of those who frequent these drinking holes
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JB$

Stop blaming shebeens when you fail in your job
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skebenghu

What makes a legal shebeen more holier than an illigal one........... hulle praat kak maan
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galaxy4

they gonna open illegal night clubs now eish...........this people
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mnceristo

so so so stupid..........
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KEKGATHETSE

drunkards. matlhapelwa, matagwa you know its true.
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rainbowgirl

legalise shebeens - sure - but this will not cure the scourge of rape in our society, it starts at home, with upbringing (forgive the pun). ps did anyone check the amazing results of today's poll? malema & zille most preferred to spend time with on a deserted island...hehehe
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