Pointman

Why are police on duty at the policy conference and why have the roads around Gallagher Estate been blocked. The ANC is a political party and should provide their own security if they feel unsafe - somewhere the public is going unprotected while these police are busy protecting the delegates.
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Tronn

Pointman. Do you really believe the ANC is concerned about the security of the Public?????
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Tronn

The fact that KZN is the majority makes me feel hopeful. The ANC in KZN is able to reason intelligently.
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lindsay

what does the majority of kzn have anything to do with the conference if the division of delegates is going to be equal?
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DJWinner

I told people that KZN will give Zuma the second term, people must stop speculating. Zulus still back Zuma and they are the majority of people to vote in Mangaung. Common sense: Zuma is getting the second term.
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KILLERa1111

@DJWinner

It not about Zulu, point of correction...the numbers favour Zuma..Ony blind cannot see that Zuma will get the second term. Free state is Sothos but they back Zuma, Mpumalanga mixture of Swatis, Zulu and Ndebele and they aslo back Zuma, EC is mixture of Amampondo and Xhosa and Zuma aslo ge the nod.

If u did your maths not even at varsity, numbers gives you a picture...

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DJWinner

@KILLERa1111

The title of the article says: KZN numbers dominate conference. Who stays in KZN?
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Dandan

sibafakile kuminyane utshumo
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Dandan

KILLERa1111

even in Limp background of malema we still have share move on to NWest still the same gcwala ngesgebengu
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mkabayi

ineptocracy. that's the word on everyone's lips these days. this is after the Times of London, last week published a damning critique of the anc's reign since 1994. it bears quoting the its meaning posted @ politicalhotwire.com:

"a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers."

if this does not reflect the reality of post 1994 sa, what does? why could a guy like malema, and his ancyl lackeys, khulubuse zuma, zondwa mandela, etc, be super rich, with minimal effort, when an average guy who get an A or B in matric have to do it the hard way (study hard for 4-6 at college, to become a doctor, engineer, accountant, etc. living from hand to mouth) and still not be as wealthy?

can you imagine any country when meritocracy rules instead? would a guy with such dismall peformance in matric and coming from an impoverished background be so wealthy within one decade of party duty? would a guy like khulubuse, with no obvious entrepreneurial or management talent be so rich if he was not associated with a powerfull uncle? patronage not policy, is at the heart of of all the infighting. the anc talk shop (unlike all previous ones, which have never created a single job) must address this cancer in society.
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Tango

Tronn
The fact that KZN is the majority makes me feel hopeful. The ANC in KZN is able to reason intelligently.
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I agree, cause that is the only province that will never hear that so and so are fighting positions.They have a good team work compared to provinces like Limpopo,EC,NW,WC and NC.
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MicaParis

There is no need to discuss the issue of who will win the race in Mangaung, it was well secured by Comrade Zuma after the Free State Conference, he only need one Province to wrap it up, obviously Gauteng after his new found relationship with both Mashatile and Mokonyane. But a policy Conference is not like a Leadership elective Conference where lots of hardcore political mandates are discussed. This Conference has got a lot to deal with academic intellects and Economists in which lots of Cadres will be sleeping and yawning as they do not understand anything as far as those things are concerned because they are not simply educated. Cadres like Nkosasana Zuma, Enock Godongwana, Mathole Motshekga, Jeff, Pandor and other educated Cadres are the ones who will be taking the fore front the rest like Mathale, Mabuza and other useless Cadres who are corrupt and stealing from Government coffers will not hear anything as they will be busy with Gauteng Prostitutes rather discussing something they do not know nothing about. This conference is for the educated and professional Cadres who know what they are talking about. Otherwise other Cadres are just there to increase the number of their extramarital children and enjoying a wide variety of Joburg prostitutes across the race and the color line, something which lots of Cadres are very good with. Intellects like Thabo Mbeki will take center stage I wish he is invited, this is an area where you cannot leave him aside!
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Theotherguy

@DJ Winner

told people that KZN will give Zuma the second term, people must stop speculating. Zulus still back Zuma and they are the majority of people to vote in Mangaung. Common sense: Zuma is getting the second term.

Zulus still back Zuma....I am not suprised about this statement coming from DJ WInner a tribalist of note, the likes of DJ winner are not only tribalist but short-sighted, they do not ask themselves what will happen when Zuma finishes his "second term"?, and the person taking the reins from him is not Zulu.........ANC must be seriously concerned if the movement is only growing in KZN but predictably they are not, trvial matters dominate their thinking like the spear
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Theotherguy

@ Tango
I agree, cause that is the only province that will never hear that so and so are fighting positions.They have a good team work compared to provinces like Limpopo,EC,NW,WC and NC

I hope you are not a young cadre who will occupy leadership positions in future with that kind of thinking otherwise the future of this country is in tatters. The province is united and showing signs of "teamwork" because they rally behind one man Zuma and we all know the reason behind their support for msholozi if you don't then you are worse than I thought.

@MicaParis
There is no need to discuss the issue of who will win the race in Mangaung, it was well secured by Comrade Zuma after the Free State Conference, he only need one Province to wrap it up, obviously Gauteng after his new found relationship with both Mashatile and Mokonyane.

It is foregone conclusion to the likes of you that Zuma will secure ANC presidency, but for neutralists like us it is not if you understand how the numbers are spread across provinces, Eastern Cape will be a big deciding factor, and I can tell you its divided on who to support amongst its regions
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Dandan

@mkabayi
"...................the anc talk shop (unlike all previous ones, which have never created a single job) must address this cancer in society.........."
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Can I assist you how to respond to your times of London, get it from me as a member nt a supporter of anc, I have been in the ANC for yrs in actual fact I was born and bred in the anc , when we could nt know what is Mk we used to call them amaphekulazikhuni while we were young at 5yrs.

Neverless my point is, for the very first time in the history of this country, the ANC came with EE Act, bla.cks,people living with disability, women were promoted to senior position think of Monhle Hlahla,Ms Mzimela of SAA, Ministers as women, Thuli Madonsela and many more , for you to come up and tell us the ANC has nenver created a single job, its so interesting to know which part of the world are you coming from.

A child who has passed his/her matric with high flying colors , my advice is he/she must learn to write a business plan otherthan CV and submitt it to Jobs Fund and IDC , Pravin Gordhan every yr is splashing billions to those institutions , stop worrying about Khulubuse Zuma etc

Iam nt connected to any politician but I know how to make living , you go and please your DA which is an organisation for opportunists, will never try to empower people previously marginilised, practical example the allocation of TBWA tender for advertising TBWA is a giant company not BEE accredited, you can nt tell me there are no young black women who can do adverting , there are so many think of Basetsana, Peggy Sues etc they are in avdertising , why they did nt think of them
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DJWinner

@Theotherguy....Did my statement mention any hate_ towards any tribe? How exactly?

Look, I'm talking facts here. The title says: KZN numbers dominate conference. Who stays in KZN? Is it not Zulus? If one mention the word Zulus, does he then automatically labelled tribalist?
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mhlupheki

Zuma 8
Malema 1
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Dandan

Theotherguy
lets look at this:
1) N Cape=4.1%
2)WCape=4.2%
3) NWest=6%
4)FState=7.5%
5)Mpum=10%
6)Limp=11%
7)GP=12%
8)ECape=22%
9)KZN=23%

you tell me what you get from these figures, if Limp is also devided and following the Prov Elec Conf where mathale won by 51% even NWest Thandi is battling to get numbers, ECape lets hope we devide 50/50 what do you get there when Zuma is coming behind with 4 full provinces
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Theotherguy

@Dandan
stop worrying about Khulubuse Zuma etc

So it must be business as usual while the children of Aurora workers go to work without food, had to drop out of tertiary institutions and teir dreams whilst the President nephew live in opulance with no care in the world about the welfare of his workers.....well for it will not be business as usual, I will voice out my grievances and exercise my rights when it comes to choosing the right peolple to run this country, your statement underlines the rot that we find ourselves in, we appreciate and accept mediocrity leadership, promote corruption and remain silent when education and health sectors are falling apart right in front of our eyes whilsts we much to have the SPEAR removed.




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Dandan

Theotherguy

you are diverting the point, Mkabayi rosed a point to say how come Khulubuse is a business person, he did nt raise a point of poor management of aurora thats a different topic for other day, you must learn to respond on what you are asked , stop whaffling
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Dandan

Theotherguy

I responded to you on Mongaung now you come with different , hogwash, unjani nje wena, here are the figure I gave you on top
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Kone

Dandan

Natal ,Mpumalnga and free state are not going to vote as block and not all delegates are for second transition.
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Dandan

Kone

you are right but any person whose mind is functioning well will never risk siding with disorganise camp risk purging after mongaung
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Theotherguy

@ Dandan

Stop Waffling, hogwash....Aurora is a topic for another day.. ....the only reason I can deduce that made you to take this position and obviously led you to utter the above words is the differences between me and you.... in your case you have already placed your bet on a particular horse..(unjani nje wena) and me I am just a concerned free thinking citizen.
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Dandan

Theotherguy
Im more concerned than you think, I would rather bet for Zuma camp than Malema camp where Limp children have no books, the whole prov is under administration cause of corruption of Malema and his gangsters, in KZN the Prov is run smoothly we want all provinces to be like KZN not this mediocre we see with other provinces, in NCape John Block,Limp is Malema&Mathahle,GP its Alex Mafias , NWest same chaos , there is no progress with all these provinces siding with Malema . Im nt sure where is your concern
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malemaforpresident

AMZULU FOOTBALL CLUB
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Theotherguy

@Dandan

1) N Cape=4.1%
2)WCape=4.2%
3) NWest=6%
4)FState=7.5%
5)Mpum=10%
6)Limp=11%
7)GP=12%
8)ECape=22%

you tell me what you get from these figures, if Limp is also devided
When you say four full provinces you mean they are united behind msholozi and that include Free State?, policy conference will set the tone going to Mangaung, to say provinces are united behind a certain individual is relative it also goes to division that you allude to with regard to Limpopo, North-west etc, let us wait after the end of "policy conference" to see if they are going to come out in support of the second transition. If they do I will concede that numbers will win it for Msholozi.
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Dandan

Theotherguy

my conclusion was with NEC conf where malemas hearing was thrown out , case was finish and klaar, unfortunately you dont tell me why you need malema here , do you want the whole SA to be under administration like Limp
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mkabayi

@ Dandan

your response is characteristic of the way anc 'cadres' debate these days - shockingly arrogant, naive and ignorant. refer me to anything in my post suggesting i am a DA supporter. try it! are you suggesting that a child who gets an A or B in matric cannot write a better business plan that Malema or Khulubuse? are you serious in suggesting that people get funded purely on the basis of merit, and not primarily because of political connections? how rediculous! who are you to tell me not to worry about khulubuse? if he's managerial incompetence has resulted in the impovershment of thousands of hard working people and their dependents? notwithstanding this he has the nerve of 'donating' millions to his party, which donation (blood money) it gleefully and unashamedly accepts! the only reason why such a donation makes sense is, again, patronage. without the anc- he's nothing, he cant get these lucrative deals, that's why he feels obliged to thank them. i just want sars to make sure that he's paid the donations tax due from this scandalous behaviour.

i dont feel obliged to respond to your garbage about the DA's conduct in WC. you still have to explain the logic, why you believe everyone who criticises the largely incompetent, corrupt anc leadership is a DA supporter. the jobs you are referring to are higher-end, (therefore inaccessible to vast majority of unskilled women and disabled) administrative jobs - and that doesnt mean they are unimportant. im talking about wealth-creation. do you understand the concept? developing or improving on a product (like a cell phone) or a service (insurance, accounting, etc) and selling it to domestic and internatioal markets. that's wealth creation. a coutry like s korea, was one of the poorest in the world in the 1950's, today it's an economic giant (they didnt have gold, platinum, coal, sophisticated banking and management systems like we had) yet they achieved. black africans in SA, are among the poorest in africa, if you can excude white per capita income and if you take into account ownership of land as an asset owned by other fellow africans. our functional levels of literacy and numeracy are much lower than those of a country like like swaziland and malawi. when in absolute terms our total education budget is greater than the entire national bugdets of these countries. if this is not monumental failure, then i dont know what it is!
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MissBhakajuju

if the 420 delegates from E.C can all vote against Shawara, then the W.C, N.W, L.P, G.P, infact if all the 8 Provinces can vote against him, then we see if his hooligans from KZN will give him a 2nd term.

also the people that are praying for his downfall, should rather pray for his D.e.a.t.h period, we can't live amongs the Spear, its not only u.s.e.l.e.ss but a danger to the society
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

The only risk with the delegation from KZN is that is that there has been a compromising of the quality of ANC membership in the province. The KZN ANC provincial leadership has disempowered ANC branches, which by the way have decisions imposed by the provincial head office. Unfortunately, not many intelligent ANC members who can think for themselves would like to be part of that kind of miserable setup. Intelligent ANC members just cannot understand the incoherent arguments that are often made to support un-ANC and illogical decisions on leadership and many other issues. The result is that you have voting cattle that cannot make any significant intellectual contribution on any issue, and are only there to sing, dance, toi toi, heckle, jeer and boo as per instruction from their handlers. That is not the kind of "ANC cadre" that the ANC should welcome in its ranks. We need people with ideas and can make a contribution. There are many of those in KZN but they have been alienated by intimidation and the prevalent sychophancy in the province.
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thonseriser

I think that we should submit a proposal to the relevent stakejolders to change KZN to atlest Natal. I'm saying that to others its is like a sin to live in KZN. Here i KZN we have Xhosa's, Sotho'ss, whites etc, but the main issue here is about being Zulu. During the Period of Mandela, Mbeki there were no complains to them as being Xhosa's but today uMsholozi is being labeled as tribalist and dictator. I would like to align myself with a statement by Susan Shabangu @ Free State I quote " The anc is not about a person but about collective.
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Theotherguy

@ Dandan

Im more concerned than you think, I would rather bet for Zuma camp than Malema camp where Limp children have no books, the whole prov is under administration cause of corruption.

When you bet on a particular horse you tend to be biased and single out issues to make your point, this leads to myopic, tunnel view which you are clearly suffering from it now. Zuma is not the president of KZN, he should be responsible for the mess that is happening even in Limpopo had Malema not came in support of Motlanthe we would not have known about the mess that Limpopo is now, to single out Limpopo is opportunistic, what about Eastern cape education and health sector crisis, have they been adressed?, Free State public works crisis have they been adressed National Department of Public works the rot is already there if you choose to remove your Zuma camp glasses.
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Dandan

mkabayi


wena awuzazi ufunani ,uthe i anc has never created a single job, now you come back with china stories
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Dandan

Theotherguy

so you take your inefficiency/incompetency/corruption to zuma now, let me teach mess in Limp was brought by Mathale to NT to ask for extra funding before the fin yr came to an end all the funds were exhausted without service delivery, thats when evrything was locked

during Prov elc conf , you rigged the elections in order to bring back your corrupt rubish, then you blame zuma
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Dandan

ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat


lol, where are you from , where is your friend 1tsotsi

today we have a new instrument to test anc members , have you been done cognitive testing yourself, I suggest we start with you, you need a serious one , who are to tell other people their IQs are low
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Dandan

@thonseriser

hayi bayasihlanyela laba, serious, during Mbeki the cabinet was made of Xhasas only, worst part when a husband and wife served in cabinet, with Zuma he tried to bring all provinces in the cabinet yet they tell us tribalists thats why the cabinet of Zuma is so huge because he wanted to avoid these malicious allegations

anyway sizobaphatha ngenkani



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Nombongo

@Dandan

To Zuma supporters, If I were you, I wouldn't be too sure that Jacob will get the second term. Bear in mind that bigger regions in the Eastern Cape don't support his second term. Only in Chris Hani, he will get support there. Don't forget that even in KZN..some delegates don't support him publicly. People will vote otherwise in their little corners freely. Gauteng and Limpopo are the biggest after Easten Cape. Limpopo brings 250 delegates yet Gauteng comes after Limps. Don't be too sure guys. Cosatu is divided over him too.
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Hail

@ pointman they do not care about the public at all and they do not even want to pay the police!
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Dandan

@Nombongo


if I were you I would take into congisance with what happened in the last NEC when Malemas case was closed with huge support against that camp. I would throw the towel and follow the winning camp to secure my job

If you wont know Zuma is a tactician of campaign, he knows his story ask Mbeki wambanxa wancama , he has never started campaigning the day he starts you will see "the zulu in your stoep"
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Nombongo

Dandan...you are living and dreaming in your little Omega. Polokwane conference was united behind Zuma because they wanted to get rid of Mbeki. The ANC is more divided in his second term. We will bet on that. Mpumalanga, free state and KZN are the only Provinces that gives him hope. Lets not forget that when he was facing corruption charges, no one wanted to be associated with him, the situation is kind of similar to Malemas. Most NEC are Pro Zuma and they hate Malema and they want nothing to do with him. I would not bet of what happened during the NEC to be his support base. Majoritu in the EC wants change sana.
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Dandan

Nombongo

are you still hatred what happened in polokwane, lol, even Saddam kept on saying US army wont invade Iraq the anc wont be hijacked by ill discipline ppl
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mkabayi

@ Dandan

"wena awuzazi ufunani ,uthe i anc has never created a single job, now you come back with china stories"

"for the very first time in the history of this country, the ANC came with EE Act, bla.cks,people living with disability, women were promoted to senior position think of Monhle Hlahla,Ms Mzimela of SAA, Ministers as women"

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its just not worth debating with you. you misquote people, waffle and dribble with irrelevant points and you simply lack elementary understanding of economics. which the policy conference is ostensibly about, in the main. the distinctions which economists make here are not just academic, they are of practical value, ie, between a job in a real economy (factory worker) and that in the financial economy (banker), private sector (construction project manager, kulula pilot, etc) and public sector (police officer, minister, SAA executive, public protector [PP], etc) in a mixed economy like ours without taxes generated from the pvt sector, where would you get the money to pay public sector salaries, to buy their equipment and computers and pay lease for their premises? there was an SAA head before mabaso took over, its not a new job. its good that we have aa and ee, but these are not original ideas, many countries implemented them long ago and they dont in and of themselves create NEW source of tax revenue for the state. the office of the PP is new, so its a new job in a sense but its funded from the same source, pvt sector taxes. without these taxes it would not exists, look at what's happening in greece to understand what i mean. they simply dont generate enough taxes from the pvt sector, therefore they have to lay off thousands of public servants, cut state benefits (subsidised healthcare, pensions, etc).

lastly i never mentioned china, and i said anc policy conferences not the anc itself, have not created new wealth. also promoting qualifying women to suitable executive positions, does not amount to creating a new job, its replacing a man with a woman. praiseworthy but not something to shout about.

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Lehido

This is the very same tribalism that people were concerned about
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Dandan

@mkabayi

are you telling me I dont know all these positions you explain above, ikhanda lakho alisebenzi 4sure, what must I do with it, what are you trying to explain, did I ask you SOE jobs, lol
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Tango

Nombongo
@Dandan

To Zuma supporters, If I were you, I wouldn't be too sure that Jacob will get the second term. Bear in mind that bigger regions in the Eastern Cape don't support his second term. Only in Chris Hani, he will get support there.

He doesn't need to win the whole Eastern Cape,if he can only get 30 to 40% of the votes thats fine.In KZN he will definetely get 100% vote.
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Dandan

@Tango


my brother I think we need to see what is this math literacy is all about , how long I have been explaining statistics, sad with these maths literacy graduates.

Listen, I ask my younger bro one day to explain what is maths literacy, he said they are thought if there is one apple in hand and other hand with one apple , how many do you have , I laughed loud , now I see what is going here
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medimedi

"In KZN he will definetely get 100% vote"..........and you still find people denying the fact that they support Zuma on tribal bases.
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sexyghost

ANC has been invaded by former Inkatha tribalists whose only way of voicing their views is through shields and spears. Viva the spearman.
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medimedi

Vote this shower out and IFP will come back to life
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Dandan

sexyghost

you think you scare kzn supporters, unfortunately not, the anc was born in KZN not in ECape, KZN has produce four leaders before, I dont know what you re saying. the fact is we are defending the anc against corrrupt ,careerist,tenderpreneurs in the anc, thats the reason you dont find corruption and the prov being under the administration in kzn

we are nt going to be initmidated by hyenas in the anc , if takes to push that will be the last thing you resort too


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Anti-rhetoric

You suffer from hanging on history syndrome, you either accept it now or have a heart attack when JZ emerg Mangaug. Limpopo is divided because your role model was so selfish looking after his interest and his family, now he is gone. Remember the 51% you got during Limpopo congress include YL, WL and VL plus all delegates you bought through brown envelop tendencies. I am going home to Limpopo to do ground work, not for tenders, for the love of the ANC. We will not be told by Friends to change the ANC leadership but we will do it when the time is right.

I love ANC even if it is not perfect and I am educated because it made it possible for us to go to the best university. I love my home province Limpopo more than my adopted province Gauteng, we can not be bought. We have money and JZ for second term for sake of continuity and progress not because he is angel. He has balls to confront ill-discipline and he became the enemy becuase of that, remember all the SG was the target and some of us know how the plan was hatched. I stupid one wanted to make his personal mission to claim all the glories and hoping for future tenders.

JZ for second term and forward with reclaiming the ANC from Izikhothane.
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Anti-rhetoric

Lets build the ANC and make it an effective instrument of liberations. A true revolutionary is the one that puts people first before personal wealth, look what happened in Limpopo. Chris Hani and Che' are the ultimate symbols of true revolutionaries followed by Salvar Kier of South Sudan.

JZ is not an angel but he is better than those that need to take over, the most dictatorial leader in all structures of the ANC in the recent times is the expelled President of YL. You differ with him your structure will be disband but JZ follows political process to deal with ill-discipline, where is Masoga?

You contradict the same document that you are using as base of your popularity call, the ANCYL of today is not original as compared to 1944 generation. For post 1994 youth leaders it is an acceptabe to have an average education of grade 11 and you claim you want to engage in battle of ideas and talk economics.

JZ has what we call organic intellectual and it is acceptable given the times he grew under, he is not from middle class family.
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medimedi

@Anti-rhetoric, but Zuma is the biggest skhothane with millions spent on his home as well as his village, the less said about the Khulubise's the better......you my friend are living in dreamland
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Dandan

@medimedi


Dr MN Mandela has a home in the villages thats where he flown to at state expense yet you dont want zuma to built his retirement home , you want to see him sleeping on the tree.

Again, Khulubuse was with Mandelas grandson yet you single out Khulubuse, why are you like that, Malema built R60m bunker but didnt give you tips how to make money as youth followers
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Nombongo

KZN is so desperate for Jacob's second term. They disregard that Eastern Cape has Biggest regions that follows by Limpopo, Gauteng, North West, Western Cape and Northern Cape. Zuma is supported by KZN, Mpumalanga& Free state. Cosatu is not fully behind him. We still have the league. He won't get it shame!
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Dandan

Nombongo


lol, we asked you, do you know how to interprete stats or you did maths literacy at school
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Anti-rhetoric

@ medimedi, All president have their retirement home but he chose Nkandla when others choose Houghton and other afluent places. I do not have problem with his family doing as long as they do not do business with government. My Leader if you happened to be wealthy all your family will get business offers left, right and centre, it is pulling effect of wealth or power.

If your kids or family have this kind of businesses (mining, tenders or BEE), it is becuase of political power and there is no clause that prohibit JZ or KM's family doing business. Lets us not sell fear my friend, I have done it for myself and I am looking after my interest without the ANC.
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Sugaar

If Zoomer cannot win at mangaung zuulu's will be killing each other like dogs.
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Wordoftruth

Does the '2nd transition' imply that the '1st transition' has been accomplished successfully? Should that be a yes then all thumbs up for the '2nd transition'.
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BBK

Zuma wont make it mark my words, he is just not presidential materiel finish and clarrrr.
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

Hlengiwe Nhlabathi is definitely off target. Do not they teach jounalists crowd Statistics? How can KZN dominate with only 24% of delegates? If they had 51% that would come closer to domination. 24% is influential but hardly dominant.
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