ABOUT 200 maidens yesterday showered their monarch, Zulu King Goodwill Zwelithini, with praises for reviving virginity testing and "sticking to it even when it was criticised".
So is it working? KZN has one of the highest school pregnancy rates in the country. If they find a girl is no longer a virgin, do they also go after the boy or man she had sex with. Anyway as long as girls are not coerced to participate it is an extreme way of preventing HIV infections. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
hulas
Abuse at its best! another opportunity for zulu king to take a little girl as his wife at the expense of taxpayer... Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
lindsay
damn i could be a virgin too my boobs are better way better than these secondary virgins Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
KILLERa1111
I dont understand why wld SOWETAN run a ing on poll about virginity test SOTHOS, VENDAZ, PEDIS and so forth coz it not their culture...we know what the response gona be...Can you ask uMzulu wether he like Masonja or wld he wear a a traditiional blanket in a 40 degree hot weather.
I think it time for SOWETAN readers to boycot sowetan newspapaer because they are dividing us as SA tribes... Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
KILLERa1111
I dont understand why wld SOWETAN run a poll about virginity test asking SOTHOS, VENDAZ, PEDIS and so forth coz it not their culture...we know what the response gona be...Wld you ask uMzulu wether he like Masonja or wld he wear a traditiional blanket in a 40 degree hot weather.
I think it time for SOWETAN readers to boycot sowetan newspapaer because they are dividing us as SA tribes... Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
DJWinner
Damn! If I can only get 2 to come and spend a week or 2 here in Pretoria with me. Look at those tits, damn!
I wonder if one can still get a virgin Xhosa or Sotho decent woman like this. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
lindsay
@Djwinner
you are so gullible you really think these are virgins with boobs like those wow i close my case Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
DJWinner
lindsay
@Djwinner
you are so gullible you really think these are virgins with boobs like those wow i close my case
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Well, those are natural boobs. I think you are now used to seeing fake boobs, hence boobs of these virgins look ugly to you. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MGEEZ
This is a good practice worthy to be encouraged for all tribes in this country!!!! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MicaParis
Waist of time!! the only virgins that you can get nowadays are only children who are 10 years old otherwise there is nothing called a virgin! With internet pornography and explicit adverts on our TV even for useless things like advertising soaps and alcohol pornographic adverts take the lead and are loved more by our children. We must stop the lousy thinking of believing that circumcision and virginity testing stop AIDS that is not true is false there is nothing like that. It might be a certain culture to undergo virginity tests but is futile and a waste of time better tell the kids to read their books rather wasting their time to study. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
zazezizozuzoooooooooooooooooo
I hate the culture with passion. I was put through it by my mom. It humiliates, belittles, and disrespective. They are called private parts because they are private. As soon as the child is able to bath and dress herself, nobody should be touching or checking her private parts. It is a tradition that say black women cannot be trusted, why is it not enough to say "I'm virgin". This really lowered my self esteem, and it I had powers I would campaign agains it. Those evil women who look at all those vaginas are witches!!!!! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
eKapa
There is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born baby
Abuse at its best! practise what you preach, the inspectors are expect in the field and they can sleep whenever. That does not prevent aids, what does statistics say? Can you imagine the poor kids spreading their legs for someone to look under there for the certificate that she cannot use anywhere. hahahahahah! the question is why did not do it on the right side? Who is sleeping with the so call not virgin. Other culture really? Report Abuse
eKapa
There is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born baby
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Well, obviously you never been to KZN. In my home area for example, there is a 25 years woman who is still a virgin. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dikmol
Bravo, Bravoo! Down with cluueless coconut ministers and other coconuts who knows nothing about our culture except to criticize without understanding. Phambili with voluntary virginity testing....down with coconts. They must just shut up and go home. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Hail
@zazezizuzooooooooooooo thank you! Private parts are private. They must leave the poor gals alone! I wonder those women who are called inspector they did not get tired of looking @ the gal 's private parts? They tired of looking @ theirs. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
xolilanga
I think there should be more to this than just testing, song and dancing. Teach girls about their worth otherwise its a great tradition but it should evolve in order to really address sex related problems. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Aristotle
Another FINGERING contest....mxm...as for qualified virgin inspectors? Aowa banna, what makes a person to be called that other than poking it and hear the girl being uncomfortable....A girl can be a virgin without being subjected to this parade for perverted old men. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MGEEZ
@MicaParis
You are saying that being a virgin will not reduce HIV aids; you also mention internet po.r.n.o.graphy and explicit TV adverts and in the same breadth you discourage virginity testing? Do you know any virgin (apart from drug users who inject themselves with needles) who was infected by HIV? How about the pornography lover who today is HIV infected just out from their love of po.no.g.raphy? I am not an advocate of por.n.o.grapgy of any sort; however ha ving read you previous post in this matter I am left with a question: Do you you know what por.n.o.graphy is? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Flemza
I like this tribe I wish if every Mzansi was like this tribe , virginity and poligamy what a mix , definately u will never get AIDS if this is put in our Autocratic constitution , it gives you something to think about Well done Zulu people keep on educating Mzansi the importance of culture Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
eKapa
DJWinner
eKapa
There is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born baby
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Well, obviously you never been to KZN. In my home area for example, there is a 25 years woman who is still a virgin
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how do you know she is still a virgin? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Secretary
ANC councillor Nondumiso Ndlovu said: "It's our culture ... this is one of the cultures that need to be preserved otherwise we will continue having illegal abortions and unplanned pregnancies, straining government child support grants
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It is a pity that government officials are busy encouraging legal abortions(which is uncultured) but enforcing culture. The pregnancy of Jesus Christ was unplanned(by human being),hence Joseph overreacted and fled the scene. However today we have people with big mouth to our kids are results of unplanned pregnancy. Is the pregnancy of factionalism within ANC body planned?If not ANC should shut up and listen Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
LBS
@zazezizozuzoooooooooooooooooo
I hate the culture with passion. I was put through it by my mom. It humiliates, belittles, and disrespective. They are called private parts because they are private. As soon as the child is able to bath and dress herself, nobody should be touching or checking her private parts. It is a tradition that say black women cannot be trusted, why is it not enough to say "I'm virgin". This really lowered my self esteem, and it I had powers I would campaign agains it. Those evil women who look at all those vaginas are witches!!!!!
I think you, as a person who has been subjected to this ABUSE sum things up very well!
Having some old crone fingering a helpless unwilling participant is unacceptable!!
It is a GROSS violation of the female child and her dignity just to satisfy "perverted old men" as Aristotle so rightly says.
It is time to decide whether 'culture' of this sort fits into the modern world, or if the bling and luxury the western world brings, and which is soundly embraced, is the way to go.
Surely you can't be selective and have both as they don't sit together well.
From the pictures shown I guess being a virgin is a long distant memory for the majority ..... Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Ubufebe
EIsh maan, I am a virginity tester as well, but once I test them they are virgins no more hahahaha Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
DJWinner
I wonder why do people always look down at our cultures?
We don't question Xhosas for cutting foreskin_. We don't question Sothos for eating cats and masonja, but people always question things that we do. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Makhosini0408
Morning ALL
I do not have a problem, if the girls consent to this practice. But @zazezizozuzoooooooooooooooooo's input gives a fresh argument to the debate. My question is why must they be paraded to men? Secondly, why is the journey from boys to men done in private and surrounded by a lot of secrecy, while the girls' one is for all to see? Just thinking out loud.
It is good for girls to keep their viginity but why are we not doing the same with boys? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
DJWinner
eKapa
DJWinner
eKapa
There is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born baby
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Well, obviously you never been to KZN. In my home area for example, there is a 25 years woman who is still a virgin
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how do you know she is still a virgin?
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Well, she is still a virgin according to results from testers. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
TheGenius
DJWinner,
Where is your area, wena wakithi?
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On those who claim that there are no more virgins left, I say this is certainly not true! My first wife is 32, I met her ar 19 and she had never been touched. Thankfully, the Lord is with me, my second one again uNomafu, I met her in 2010, aged 22 and she was as pure. For the record when I met her she was from studying at Tuks and all the way from Greytown. She is doing her final year and can happily confirm that she is no longer a virgin. I just spoke to here an hour ago.
But on the same breath, virginity testing cannot be said to be the only weapon for girls to remain pure. My Nomafu tells me she has never been tested even once, in fact, I was the one who tested her.
But on the other side, my eldest wife from Kwa-A Olundi olumahlikihlikana originally from KwesaKwaMthethwa eMpangeni has been tested many times before as she was a regular at Reeds dance - Well sadly for her, I literally stopped all the testing when I gave her the biggest test of them all...
I personally see no problem with this. Every ethnic group have their way of doing things and we cant criticise nor ridicule them. We (Pedi's, Xhosa's, Venda's, Tsonga's) go to the mountain for initiation schools which we think is good practice. So lets Zulu's practice what they believe is perfect for their wellbeing of their children. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
DJWinner
Well, if boys go for circumcission, are their penises not private parts? So according to you people, it's only vaginas that are private. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
eKapa
DJWinner
eKapa
DJWinner
eKapa
There is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born baby
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Well, obviously you never been to KZN. In my home area for example, there is a 25 years woman who is still a virgin
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how do you know she is still a virgin?
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Well, she is still a virgin according to results from testers
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oh, i was thinking u are the testers, do you know abt the bribe Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
DJWinner
TheGenius
DJWinner,
Where is your area, wena wakithi?
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Kwa Mhlabuyalingana. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
khulabekhona
@ZAZEZIZOOOOOOOOOO
"Those evil women who look at all those vaginas are witches!!!"
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YOU MEAN EVEN GYNAECOLOGISTS ARE WITCHES? BECAUSE LOOK AT A LOT OF VAGINAS
@TheGenius
Why do you need virgins when it is plain to see that you KZN okes are f.ucking them like rabbits hehehehe. It is a wonder there are still virgins in KZN with JZ running around! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Spekepeke
eKapa
DJWinner
eKapa
DJWinner
eKapa
There is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born baby
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Well, obviously you never been to KZN. In my home area for example, there is a 25 years woman who is still a virgin
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how do you know she is still a virgin?
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Well, she is still a virgin according to results from testers
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oh, i was thinking u are the testers, do you know abt the bribe
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yebo skhokho sam' there is a bribe tell him Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MGEEZ
@DJWinner
I wonder why do people always look down at our cultures?
We don't question Xhosas for cutting foreskin_. We don't question Sothos for eating cats and masonja, but people always question things that we do.
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You have a very short memory!!! it was only last week that the Xhosa tradition was questioned (even though the article of Sowetan was about boys who were circumcised in Limpopo). In any case; your questions does not solve anything; instead they serve the very divisive purpose the authors of this story uphold.There is nothing wrong with the virgin inspection, regardless of who is pactising it; it promotes morality and teaches children and youth that there is more to life than sex and that they do not have to sleep with anyone in the name of love; because indeed love is not about sexual l.u.st. Defend the tradition if you believe in it, period, i do!!!! Report Abuse
hahahaha what a backward archaic ritual. In 2012 and girls let themselves be treated like slaves. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
DJWinner
eKapa
DJWinner
eKapa
DJWinner
eKapa
There is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born baby
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Well, obviously you never been to KZN. In my home area for example, there is a 25 years woman who is still a virgin
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how do you know she is still a virgin?
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Well, she is still a virgin according to results from testers
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oh, i was thinking u are the testers, do you know abt the bribe
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She can't be bribing everytime she goes for a test. She would lose a lot of money then.... Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Traveljunie
mathopeed
I personally see no problem with this. Every ethnic group have their way of doing things and we cant criticise nor ridicule them. We (Pedi's, Xhosa's, Venda's, Tsonga's) go to the mountain for initiation schools which we think is good practice. So lets Zulu's practice what they believe is perfect for their wellbeing of their children
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Yes but progressive societies relook at their ways ever now and then. There is nothing wrong with leaving behind Jurrasic park type believes. We live in a new era and such acts are out of date and not beneficial for woman or the society Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
DJWinner
MGEEZ
@DJWinner
I wonder why do people always look down at our cultures?
We don't question Xhosas for cutting foreskin_. We don't question Sothos for eating cats and masonja, but people always question things that we do.
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You have a very short memory!!! it was only last week that the Xhosa tradition was questioned (even though the article of Sowetan was about boys who were circumcised in Limpopo). In any case; your questions does not solve anything; instead they serve the very divisive purpose the authors of this story uphold.There is nothing wrong with the virgin inspection, regardless of who is pactising it; it promotes morality and teaches children and youth that there is more to life than sex and that they do not have to sleep with anyone in the name of love; because indeed love is not about sexual l.u.st. Defend the tradition if you believe in it, period, i do!!!!
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Who critised it? Infact, people were using it against us, saying that Zulus must now starting to go for circumcission. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Shredder
"Actually, they must show us one maiden who complains about it - or come to us and ask how we feel ... and we will tell them that they must back-off.
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I was reading about the dudes painted in red last week and one white man asked when that ancient tradition is going to be get rid off.
I applaud you Mbali Ngcobo, let them back off. Even those guys who think being a 21 year old virgin is being stupid, tell them also to back off. Yo are still maintaining your pride as a virgin and nobody can say how he made sweat and scream. Thumbs up to you girls. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
ThrippleGee
What instrument are they using to test VIRGINITY in the RURAL KZN, i bet they are using fingers lol......After they get a Certificate damn. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MORNACH!ES011
So they are doing this ,so that Makanda Zoomeer can have a fresh pun.ani ne ? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
mathopeed
@Traveljunie
mathopeed
I personally see no problem with this. Every ethnic group have their way of doing things and we cant criticise nor ridicule them. We (Pedi's, Xhosa's, Venda's, Tsonga's) go to the mountain for initiation schools which we think is good practice. So lets Zulu's practice what they believe is perfect for their wellbeing of their children
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Yes but progressive societies relook at their ways ever now and then. There is nothing wrong with leaving behind Jurrasic park type believes. We live in a new era and such acts are out of date and not beneficial for woman or the society
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Nah you wrong bra, dont come here with your western tendency by saying "Out of date". So you of the believe that initiation schools are also outdated? If you dont believe, doesnt mean it doesnt exists my bra. This culture were there before you were born and you expect our people to ignore them now. You must be joking bra Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Shredder
@Thapzen - and this doesn't stop Aids...
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So what? It still maintains their pride.
I shake my head in amazement. When kids have kids people cry foul. When kids abstain from s3x people like bo lindsay criticize their boobs and say they are not virgins. Some of you ladies have seen and tasted in your mouths and got pumped by all different kinds of sizes and shapes. Let the kids do the right thing. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MORNACH!ES011
Hey people don't think like a lizards kikikikikikiki ,this realy made mi day ....Nevus kikikiki Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
eKapa
DJWinner
eKapa
DJWinner
eKapa
DJWinner
eKapa
There is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born baby
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Well, obviously you never been to KZN. In my home area for example, there is a 25 years woman who is still a virgin
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how do you know she is still a virgin?
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Well, she is still a virgin according to results from testers
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oh, i was thinking u are the testers, do you know abt the bribe
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She can't be bribing everytime she goes for a test. She would lose a lot of money then
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everytime?? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
DJWinner
MissBhakajuju
@DJWinner
you seem to have a personal ven.deta. against X.h.o.sa. people not that I care though, I don't have time 4 b.it.ter m.e.n
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I don't know what you are talking about, I like Xhosas. You are one of my friends in this site and you are a Xhosa. What I don't like is when people constantly criticise our cultures. People criticise everything that has to do with Zulus. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Shredder
@Traveljunie - hahahaha what a backward archaic ritual. In 2012 and girls let themselves be treated like slaves.
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Dit is ons tradiesie. Back off. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Mbongo
This is our culture as Africans, if you don't practise it please just don't critisize it. Back off. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Shredder
@mathopeed - Let that guy alone, plus he has some racist tendency and like to say people talk k@k. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
IamTheFinalSay
so, how does one become a so called "qualified virgin inspector"??? and uhmm!!! wena Mbali Ncobo, ke go beile bumper!!!! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Naked
Good practice indeed. But why test only girls? The test must be done to both girls and boys like in my church where its done every August to girls and boys from the age of 13 until they get married. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Prade101
''Nunu Ngcobo, a well-known virginity inspector, said not a single child was forced to participate''
''She said they were very understanding and when they find out that a girl is no longer a virgin, they call her mother and inform her of what they have found.''
Can anyone tell me, why would any girl volutarily participate in the test, knowing fully that she's no longer a virgin and that she would be exposed, at least to her parent? I don't believe there is anything voluntary here, either peer or parental pressure is involved. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
Why are we complaining about a tradition that seeks to promote virtues?
Whether we have high incidents of HIV / AIDS or not is not the point; the point is one cannot get HIV if they are sexually inactive. In a country with high incidents of teenage pregnancies, sugar daddies and teachers routinely sleeping with school kids this practice teaches morality and responsible sexual conduct so why would anyone have a problem with it?
Given high incidents of incest and child molestation this is an opportunity to discourage older family members from abusing their relatives given a higher probability of being caught. We either chose practises like these or we accept a life where girls have been there and done that at an early age uthole umuntu sekakhathele at age 17.
Shredder
@Traveljunie - hahahaha what a backward archaic ritual. In 2012 and girls let themselves be treated like slaves.
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Dit is ons tradiesie. Back off.
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Killing witches was also a tradition and a culture. But human kind have moved on from that barbaric rituals. The same here, show you area progressive society and lift yourself out of this archaic nonsense. It is degrading to woman and show you up as masochist womanizers
Is raping a virgin also part of your culture so that you do not get HIV?
Naked
Good practice indeed. But why test only girls? The test must be done to both girls and boys like in my church where its done every August to girls and boys from the age of 13 until they get married
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@Naked
Good practice indeed. But why test only girls? The test must be done to both girls and boys like in my church where its done every August to girls and boys from the age of 13 until they get married.
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I have to ask this - HOW do you test boys for virginity?
Even testing girls is NOT conclusive because the hymen can be broken in sporting activities as an example.
Rather teach the children to value themselves and their bodies. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
1TOUCH
Naked
How is the test done ? please tell us especially on boys Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Mas-culin
I don't see anything wrong with this practice since it is done voluntarily not being forced. It is not good for a man to marry a woman who has a long list of men on her record more especially since there is a killer disease... vice verse.
I hate the culture with passion. I was put through it by my mom. It humiliates, belittles, and disrespective. They are called private parts because they are private. As soon as the child is able to bath and dress herself, nobody should be touching or checking her private parts. It is a tradition that say black women cannot be trusted, why is it not enough to say "I'm virgin". This really lowered my self esteem,
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Being checked if you are a virgin lowered your self-esteem, how so?
Surely if you knew you went one already you could have avoided the embarrassment by telling your mother the truth, it is your body after all. I don't see how ones self-esteem could be lowered if you knew you were still a virgin, if anything you probably would be proud.
Consider that many go there willingly so campaigning against the practice denies everyone the opportunity, not just yourself.
this once are not as good looking as the once from pietretief Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Shredder
Traveljunie - Killing witches was also a tradition and a culture. It is degrading to woman and show you up as masochist womanizers
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What good is there in killing ou Junie?
Why do you say it is degrading? They don't feel degraded. It is like people saying why do muslims have to cover themselves, it is woman abuse. Those women say no one forces them to join islam and they are not abused. Even these kids no one compels them to test for virginity. Who are you to tell them that it is degrading them?
Why do people always have to criticise a tradion and culture that they don't agree with. If people feel it is ok for them to practice it, so be it. It has nothing to do with us. Who are we to judge? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Shredder
@Naked - How do you test a male for virginity? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
DJWinner
Naked
Good practice indeed. But why test only girls? The test must be done to both girls and boys like in my church where its done every August to girls and boys from the age of 13 until they get married.
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Boys do get tested in other areas. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Naked
Im also not sure how the boys get tested as the process is very secretive. All I know is that every August we get some boys and girls who pass and some who fail the test. There is a team assigned to do the testing and it costists of only the elderly who are 75 and more years of age.
When you pass,you are given a red belt that you have to wear in every church service symbolising your purity. When you fail, you are no longer allowed to paticipate in any of the youth activities as you are now considered to be an adult.
The youth in our church are encouraged to date within the church. that makes virgins to get married to virgins.
If you dont believe me find a curch called GUTA RA MWARI in Dobsonville in Soweto.Women wear white uniforms while men put on khakhi uniforms.Thats all im saying. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
mathopeed
How do you tests boys? please can you clarify us on that Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
eKapa
@Naked
did u jst decide to be the fisrt person who lies on this Monday? nogal u lie abt the Church..jeerr
Shredder
@Naked - How do you test a male for virginity?
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They look at a pee. Vargin's pee come out in smooth organised fashion. It doesn't sprinkle all over the place. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Mas-culin
Only uncircumcised peni_s sprinkle all over the place...
@Naked - The youth in our church are encouraged to date within the church. that makes virgins to get married to virgins.
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Actually, I believe that is how it is supposed to be like. Why do men always want virgins while they are not virgins themselves? It is like men who have a child out of wedlock and want to get married to a woman who does not have a baby or a woman who has a baby and expect another man to father that baby.
"GUTA RA MWARI in Dobsonville"
Never heard of it. Where in Dobsonville? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Tango
I have never had a virgin before(only had ready mades) even now i stiil looking for one but it very difficult especially here in Soweto Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
Naked
When you pass,you are given a red belt that you have to wear in every church service symbolising your purity. When you fail, you are no longer allowed to paticipate in any of the youth activities as you are now considered to be an adult.
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1. It is physically impossible to test for virginity in males,
2. Public persecution is what defiles the process of testing. You can’t vilify those who are no longer virgins in public as it remains a personal choice, by publicly ostracising them you are defeating the purpose and add to resentment. Abstinence is supposed to be a function of pride, not fear of humiliation.
@Naked
Im also not sure how the boys get tested as the process is very secretive. All I know is that every August we get some boys and girls who pass and some who fail the test. There is a team assigned to do the testing and it costists of only the elderly who are 75 and more years of age.
When you pass,you are given a red belt that you have to wear in every church service symbolising your purity. When you fail, you are no longer allowed to paticipate in any of the youth activities as you are now considered to be an adult.
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And what happens if they (testers) get it wrong?
Then a non-virgin can get thered belt while a virgin is possibly denied one!
The virgin is then treated unfaily with great cost to their self esteem. Sad really.... Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Shredder
DJWinner
Shredder
@Naked - How do you test a male for virginity?
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They look at a pee. Vargin's pee come out in smooth organised fashion. It doesn't sprinkle all over the place.
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LOL. No ways. Do you want to tell me that a young boy who had s3x 10 times let alone once will have his pee sprinkling all over the place. Sorry, I will have to disagree on that one. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
eKapa
i was lucky to brke 2 virgins in my life. but that was looooong ago i wont get it anymore that i know
"they way kungakhona" Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
www.insurance-direct.co.za
This is great practice. I will be visiting KZN soon to get myself a proper wife Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
somaartakeit
this is a zulu version of isitswetla on pic 2 the king is enjoying it so much. only 200 virgins? is that all that's left after massive rapes of young girls by men to cur themlves of aids? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MGEEZ
As I have said before; the tradition is to be encouraged as long as it is done voluntarily and no one person is forced to do it against their will. It's wonderful!!! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
DJWinner
Shredder
DJWinner
Shredder
@Naked - How do you test a male for virginity?
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They look at a pee. Vargin's pee come out in smooth organised fashion. It doesn't sprinkle all over the place.
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LOL. No ways. Do you want to tell me that a young boy who had s3x 10 times let alone once will have his pee sprinkling all over the place. Sorry, I will have to disagree on that one.
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Well, it is not my idea. Testers use this method. I'm sure they done a bit of a research before implementing it. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MissBhakajuju
@somaartakeit
hi beautiful queen, its also very funny that most teenage pragnancies, HIV rate is on that province.
next year 50 of them wont be v.i.r.gins anymore, due to their ho.rn.y master zwelithini & other KZN pervets like showara, so I don't understand what is the hype about this ? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
Naked
The youth in our church are encouraged to date within the church. that makes virgins to get married to virgins.
If you dont believe me find a curch called GUTA RA MWARI in Dobsonville in Soweto.Women wear white uniforms while men put on khakhi uniforms.Thats all im saying.
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How did you end up in a Zimba.bwean church?
GUTA RA MWARI .... enough said.
I wo.nder i.f these fri.nge chu.rches appreciate the amount of dam.age they inf.lict on their wors.hippers. Take Watc.htowers for example, you really have to be de.nse to stand oppo.sed to blo.od transfu.sions, sometimes nga.thi you can sla.p the mother sil.ly for refusing one when a child is facing cer.tain de.ath.
Tango
I have never had a virgin before(only had ready mades) even now i stiil looking for one but it very difficult especially here in Soweto
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Theres is nothing in Soweto. Believe me, I searched, there is nothig there. Serching of a virgin in Soweto is like serching in Pretoria central and Sunnyside. Nigerians have done serious demages here. I have to go to KZN for a decent sex. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
DJWinner
@MissBhakajuju...Look at you now. The next thing, you will whine that people hate_ Xhosas. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
mamfundisi
Why kids younger than the age of 15, must go for checking,?sex before marriage is not allowed, no one must boast bcz she is a virgin, that is something that is expected to the girl or lady who is not married to be the virgin until she get married. im not impressed when someone is boasting about umhlanga, it need a person to have self control and know what is expected from her. what if those practice of testing them can be stopped?it means there will be no virgins.
They are just grooming this girls for Makanda Zooomerrrr finish and klaar ! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Lehido
I justhate this h0ney old farts who purv al over this innocent kids all in the name of culture....Shame on Zwelithini and his friends,,,sies maan! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
BlackLion
Aren’t any better ways to teach them? Some elders are dictators and I still fail to understand why they feel so much authorized to impose on the young ones.
Maybe these parents should stop treating their children like slaves or employees, that’s neither parenting nor guardianship.
It’s really silly to practice a culture just because of identity or wanting to belong. Some of these practices were started by greedy elders in the past and I still don’t understand why they are followed so religiously.
hahahahahah, you're such an emotional person hey ? Shawara is not 'zulus' rather a zulu person, and I've never generalised in any of my comments, I only a.t.ta.ck people as individuals, and according to their ill m.a.n.ne.rs, not as a bunch of tribe.
What's the use of testing them- they will lose thier V1rginity anyway - (what a waste) Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Naked
@DZEL - Are Zimbabweans not people? and we all have the right of choice dont we? The church is in Mafkeng,Durban,Capetown,Zambia,Malawi etc.Respect other people's choices.
@LBS, I will have to agree with you,when one fails the test,their self esteem takes a kock down.
@eKapa,just google if you dont believe me Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Mokwepa
All Ladies,
you are all jelas because u Gautans are all soccer city. finish and klaar Report Abuse
DJWinner
Tango
I have never had a virgin before(only had ready mades) even now i stiil looking for one but it very difficult especially here in Soweto
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Theres is nothing in Soweto. Believe me, I searched, there is nothig there. Serching of a virgin in Soweto is like serching in Pretoria central and Sunnyside. Nigerians have done serious demages here. I have to go to KZN for a decent sex.
... and what happens after testing...? they will become abomagosha anyway eOxford and Heysterk streets.... Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
DJWinner
MissBhakajuju
@DJWinner
hahahahahah, you're such an emotional person hey ? Shawara is not 'zulus' rather a zulu person, and I've never generalised in any of my comments, I only a.t.ta.ck people as individuals, and according to their ill m.a.n.ne.rs, not as a bunch of tribe.
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ha ha ha...you are just saying. Wena, you let me to have sex with because I'm a Zulu. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
2nevvy4u
Mokwepa
All Ladies,
you are all jelas because u Gautans are all soccer city. finish and klaar
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kikikikikikikiki careful o tla jewa ka mapara. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Naked
@Tango
I have never had a virgin before(only had ready mades) even now i stiil looking for one but it very difficult especially here in Soweto
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Go to a church opposite Hecter Peterson primary school. I gurantee you my brother you will have a pure w ife,a well groomed one who knows how to respect her body and her man,who understands the importance of family and who knows and understands the role of a man in the house.She will treat you like a king.Not what see these days. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
Naked
@DZEL - Are Zimbabweans not people? and we all have the right of choice dont we? The church is in Mafkeng,Durban,Capetown,Zambia,Malawi etc.Respect other people's choices
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I am just surprised that the church is Zimbabwean that's all.
I don't have a problem with Zimbabweans what I do have a problem with is when these churches start pushing backward agenda that do nothing to improve the lives of its congregation.
@MissBhakajuju hi there gorgeous:-) these ppl I think they need someone to show them new hobbies and ways to make their lives meaningful rather than dancing isitswetla for the king, poor ole man he must horny like hell, cause that's all he does, him and zuma the horny-rabbles whose perverted existence is funded by of SA tax payers. We've been suckered, Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
somaartakeit
@Dzel, don't worry about Zim church cause all churches are a big business, wena open yours and I will be your accountant, lol Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Makhosini0408
We have a lot of stereotypical behaviors that we need to change in order to approach such issues. We still emphasise judging by all those looking to marry virgins, believe that some girls need to abstain or preserve themselves while some of us are busy test driving others? How sad and chauvitistic!
We still want to impose our masculinety by deciding what is right for this poor girls? Do not get me wrong, but why must their be paraded to men and can't this "precious" tradition be treated in secrecy as the right of passage by young boys? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MissBhakajuju
@DJWinner
ha ha ha...you are just saying. Wena, you let me to have sex with because I'm a Zulu.
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no thanx DJWinner, anyone but not You, I'll let it pass. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SeshegoGuY
Virginity Inspector?????? He Banna!!!
KZN Universities have got wider options for studying hey... Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
FreeSpeech
In our modern society is no space for parasites like Kings & Queens. They don't add any value to our economy and should be outlawed. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
TigerM
This test is not accurate as it only focuses on vaginal sex, what about anal & oral sex, I once heard that young girls in this area are active in these latter activities and abstaining from vaginal penetrative sex, meaning they not really abstaining and technically are not virgins. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
masende
THAT SMILLE FROM THE KING IS LOOKING FOR ANOTHER ONE Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
DJWinner
MissBhakajuju
@DJWinner
ha ha ha...you are just saying. Wena, you let me to have sex with because I'm a Zulu.
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no thanx DJWinner, anyone but not You, I'll let it pass.
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Typing error, I mean: Wena, you won't let me to have sex with because I'm a Zulu. Report Abuse
She said they were very understanding and when they find out that a girl is no longer a virgin, they call her mother and inform her of what they have found.
"But this remains confidential between myself, the child and her mother."
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But then why would the girl attend the test knowing very well that they are no longer a virgin ?
Sounds very stupid to me, that's all
DJWinner
Typing error, I mean: Wena, you won't let me to have sex with because I'm a Zulu.
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not that you're zulu, but I just don't like you, or maybe anymore !!!! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
somaartakeit,
@Dzel, don't worry about Zim church cause all churches are a big business, wena open yours and I will be your accountant, lol
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Maybe we should hey, why use a gun to rob people when you can just as much flash a bible and see them hand over 10% of their salary willingly. Like Sophie Ndaba's husband I'll claim to have gotten my qualifications from a parking lot.
Then you hear umuntu wakhona tell you how enlightened they are when they haven't the slightest idea how earth was really created. Sad thing is the truth is out there for all of us to learn about but it seems the bible is the only thing we read as black people at the expense of the vast body of knowledge that is out there.
There is no excuse for ignorance yet many are blissfully ignorant, I can't understand abantu sometimes. I would much rather believe in my ancestors, at least I know they were once real people, not some man's creation.
Dzel
Naked
@DZEL - Are Zimbabweans not people? and we all have the right of choice dont we? The church is in Mafkeng,Durban,Capetown,Zambia,Malawi etc.Respect other people's choices
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I am just surprised that the church is Zimbabwean that's all.
I don't have a problem with Zimbabweans what I do have a problem with is when these churches start pushing backward agenda that do nothing to improve the lives of its congregation.
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Im not sure what you mean by "nothing to ipmrove the lives of the congregation" ,the virginity testing thats done in that church has infact produced marriages where both partners are vigirns. And you still find some 25 or even 3o year olds who are not yet married but still virgins. If that is not improving the lives of the congregation ,then I dont know what it is. Whats suprising with the church being originally from Zim? as long as it makes its youth to abstain from sex until they are ready for marriage ,i see nothing wrong there,or you would rather leave them to decide for themselves and in most cases end up engaging in prostit.uition and having kids while they are still kids themselves?
I dont know why we like to complain too much. They have se.x,we complain,we find ways to make them to abstain,we still complain.Even if the idea is a good one will always find faults in for the mere of it.. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
2nevvy4u
MOTHUBANNYO
She said they were very understanding and when they find out that a girl is no longer a virgin, they call her mother and inform her of what they have found.
"But this remains confidential between myself, the child and her mother."
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But then why would the girl attend the test knowing very well that they are no longer a virgin ?
Sounds very stupid to me, that's all
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all they need is you,kikikikikikikikiki
DJWinner
Typing error, I mean: Wena, you won't let me to have sex with because I'm a Zulu.
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not that you're zulu, but I just don't like you, or maybe I don't like you anymore !!! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Ubufebe
These virginity testers must be perverts just wanting to stick their fingers in there kikikiki Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
malemaforpresident
nxaaa mara zooolus i rest my case what is the use of looking at a 200 virginas no wonder why the head of state called the spear with so many wives it is because kuku is in abundance in that area Report Abuse
Im not sure what you mean by "nothing to ipmrove the lives of the congregation" ,the virginity testing thats done in that church has infact produced marriages where both partners are vigirns.
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Perhaps with women they can test for virginity but since it is physically impossible to do this in men and they claim they can I have no choice but to dismiss the claims outright.
If you claim to do something that is physically impossible to do then you publicly humiliate those you claim are no longer virgins how can that be in the interests of the congregation. The worst churches are ezabo brother nabo sister, these churches operate more like sects where one lives in a closed community.
Im not sure what you mean by "nothing to ipmrove the lives of the congregation" ,the virginity testing thats done in that church has infact produced marriages where both partners are vigirns. And you still find some 25 or even 3o year olds who are not yet married but still virgins.
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so this means both are clueless or lack experience ya bedroom,i wonder what happens on their first sexsession. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Shredder
@DJWinner - Well, it is not my idea. Testers use this method. I'm sure they done a bit of a research before implementing it.
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@Dzel
Naked
@DZEL - Are Zimbabweans not people? and we all have the right of choice dont we? The church is in Mafkeng,Durban,Capetown,Zambia,Malawi etc.Respect other people's choices
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I am just surprised that the church is Zimbabwean that's all.
I don't have a problem with Zimbabweans what I do have a problem with is when these churches start pushing backward agenda that do nothing to improve the lives of its congregation.
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So effectively you have self appointed yourself to fight for the rights of those "poor church members who are unknowingly victims at the hands of their devious pastor's; right??? You have a sovereign mandate to deliver them from the domain of darkness into the kingdom of light (your way of thinking)!!!
How is your attitude then different from those who are criticizing a virgin inspection tradition that they know nothing about??? Just asking??? You do have a problem with Zimbabweans; the same way you have a problem with anyone who does not share your ethnicity!!!! This is easy to deduce when one read's your tribalistic comments on this blo.g, each time you have an opportunity. Grow up and stop debating things that you know nothing about!!! Your atheism was not a subject of discussion nor was your tribalism, today but virgin inspection!!!! Report Abuse
MissBhakajuju
DJWinner
Typing error, I mean: Wena, you won't let me to have sex with because I'm a Zulu.
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not that you're zulu, but I just don't like you, or maybe I don't like you anymore !!!
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Happy that you liked me before, what did I do to change your mind? I still like you anyway. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MissBhakajuju
@SWEETYK
hi my Darling, how was your weekend ?? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MGEEZ
@TigerM
This test is not accurate as it only focuses on vaginal sex, what about anal & oral sex, I once heard that young girls in this area are active in these latter activities and abstaining from vaginal penetrative sex, meaning they not really abstaining and technically are not virgins.
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Mona ke sebe; this is a beautiful practice, you do not have to subscribe to it; but do not falsely accuse it either!!!! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
DJWinner
Little_Dude
@iNSPECTORS
do you personally bare the smell of all?????
just curious benjamin on this one.
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Not all vaginas smell badly. Maybe you are unlucky to meet smelly women. The smell is due to medical issues. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Little_Dude
TigerM
This test is not accurate as it only focuses on vaginal sex, what about anal & oral sex, I once heard that young girls in this area are active in these latter activities and abstaining from vaginal penetrative sex, meaning they not really abstaining and technically are not virgins
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@TigerM
This test is not accurate as it only focuses on vaginal sex, what about anal & oral sex, I once heard that young girls in this area are active in these latter activities and abstaining from vaginal penetrative sex, meaning they not really abstaining and technically are not virgins
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Very valid point, which then makes the whole exercise of 'testing for virginity' pointless!
Young girls from all race groups apparently mistakenly think/are led to believe that oral sex doesn't count as sex, so the males get their rocks off at the girls expense.
The youth need education in a very big way!!
I would go so far as to say that this 'testing' is right up there with female circumcision - depraved and barbaric humiliation for the woman, IMPOSED on her by self-rightious and self serving men. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Naked
@Dzel
Perhaps with women they can test for virginity but since it is physically impossible to do this in men and they claim they can I have no choice but to dismiss the claims outright.
If you claim to do something that is physically impossible to do then you publicly humiliate those you claim are no longer virgins how can that be in the interests of the congregation. The worst churches are ezabo brother nabo sister, these churches operate more like sects where one lives in a closed community.
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Listen here, I merely shared what I have seen. I dont have all the answers to your questions and im not sure how virginity testing in males is conducted and i have never bothered to ask how as its non of my business. All I know is that it happens and it has produced good mannered man who dont just open their zips to every skirt that passes by and that makes me happy. I did not claim to have personally tested males for their vigirnity. Why must I question its accurecy when the results are good?
Whatever method used to make youth abstain I support it fully as long as those kids are not forced into it. One more time,respect other people's culutres and dont always force people to see things the way you do. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
MGEEZ
How is your attitude then different from those who are criticizing a virgin inspection tradition that they know nothing about??? Just asking??? You do have a problem with Zimbabweans; the same way you have a problem with anyone who does not share your ethnicity!!!! This is easy to deduce when one read's your tribalistic comments on this blo.g, each time you have an opportunity. Grow up and stop debating things that you know nothing about!!! Your atheism was not a subject of discussion nor was your tribalism, today but virgin inspection!!!!
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Let me explain what should be obvious but I’ll explain anyway.
With a women one simply checks the hymen; if the hymen is still intact then one is a bona fide virgin, right?
Perhaps you can tell me how this is done in men. For the record the two things I take issue with is the public humiliation of those who are found not to be virgins which is a danger especially when one considers the hymen can be torn even when one is still a virgin through exercise for example. Then I have a problem with a claim that a man can be tested for virginity which is impossible, you have a better chance of healing AIDS which at least is possible and has been done before. I can even tell you how one can cure AIDS or at least how it was done in the case where the patient was cured.
As for me being tribalist you have the wrong guy dude. Dude I am half-Zulu, half-Tswana, grew up in mixed Soweto and married to umXhosa. Secondly the last thing you can accuse me of is tribalism.
just curious benjamin on this one.
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Not all vaginas smell badly. Maybe you are unlucky to meet smelly women. The smell is due to medical issues
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Naturally if any woman did not took bath/shower for certain peroid, bad smell automatically generated.
Im sure fish was smelling all over, it was just waiting to be braaied. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
mathopeed
@DJWinner
Little_Dude
@iNSPECTORS
do you personally bare the smell of all?????
just curious benjamin on this one.
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Not all vaginas smell badly. Maybe you are unlucky to meet smelly women. The smell is due to medical issues.
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Loool, u killed me. Medical issues, how? U mad bra Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
DJWinner
@MissBhakajuju..Now you are failing to answer my question. I think you still like me, you just can't admit it. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
MissBhakajuju
@SWEETYK
hi my Darling, how was your weekend ??
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Wish you would post in English sometimes so that I can follow you instead of guessing what you are saying ........ Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Shredder
@Dzel - I can even tell you how one can cure AIDS or at least how it was done in the case where the patient was cured.
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E tla le tsona ntate. You can help many people, perhaps even here on the Sowetan blog. :). I was actually also curious how Magic Johnson got cured. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
somaartakeit
Hey hallow members of the stone age!!!
the only person/s that should be investigating your daughters/wives virgins is a medically qualified person, and he/she is expected to do so wearing surgical gloves, yhazi abantu abanama fetish about gen!tals they make the culture look primitive. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Bumboklaat
@Dzel
As for me being tribalist you have the wrong guy dude. Dude I am half-Zulu, half-Tswana, grew up in mixed Soweto and married to umXhosa. Secondly the last thing you can accuse me of is tribalism.
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Just do deviate a little from the topic. there is no such thing as half tswana or half zulu. If your father is zulu then you are zulu period! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MissBhakajuju
SWEETYK
MissBhakajuju
@SWEETYK
hi my Darling, how was your weekend ??
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Was good and how was yours my love?
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it was awesome my Chomie, I spent most of the time indoors, hey the snow is getting the worst of us. lol Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
tumzangwana
"Actually, they must show us one maiden who complains about it - or come to us and ask how we feel ... and we will tell them that they must back-off.
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ja those who talk smack about other people's cultures they know sh!t about must shut the f*ck up.
BumboKlaat
Some claim to be virgins le ge ele go re kgale ba hlokoloziwa! Ba kenya mafura a bacon kamo tlase go re ge ba ba cheka ba nagane go re ke ma virgin!
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kikikikiki o dom son LoL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
somaartakeit
@Shredder Magic JOhnson is not cured he said this himself when recently speaking on Bloomberg tv, but aids like most infectious diseases is manageable when infected ppl adopt healthy lifestyle, and they like Magic can live longer than 20yrs Magic said he has been living with aids for 20yrs in his last interview he also said when he was diagnosed he had to drastically change his lifestyle, ie from sleeping around to sleeping responsibly, he said he was infected cause he had multiple partners. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Bumboklaat
@LBS
Bumboklaat - good morning my friend :)
Wish you would post in English sometimes so that I can follow you instead of guessing what you are saying ........
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Sorry dear,
Someone once told me that girls move to the big cities and become sexually active but when they go for virginity testing they insert bacon fat in their vaginas to fool the examiners. don't know if its true though! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
iWOman
Bumboklaat
Just do deviate a little from the topic. there is no such thing as half tswana or half zulu. If your father is zulu then you are zulu period!
@BumboKlaat
Some claim to be virgins le ge ele go re kgale ba hlokoloziwa! Ba kenya mafura a bacon kamo tlase go re ge ba ba cheka ba nagane go re ke ma virgin!
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they are taking this 'born again' claim too literally, if you ask me, I know one girl who also believes she is a virgin but she has a 5yr old daughter,
I don't know if its deliberate on the part of the church ministers to mislead/misrepresent stuff or they themselves are clueless, but at times its really painful to see how uninformed their followers are, Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
somaartakeit
@Bumboklaat
Just do deviate a little from the topic. there is no such thing as half tswana or half zulu. If your father is zulu then you are zulu period!
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sorry but you are 50% of both, in the same that a coloured where his/her parents are black and white they are 50% of both. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SeshegoGuY
@Somaartakeit
Hey u watch Bloomberg?????? I hope u also not an employee, otherwise we'd have 2 people not being productive kikiki Lol
somaartakeit
@BumboKlaat
Some claim to be virgins le ge ele go re kgale ba hlokoloziwa! Ba kenya mafura a bacon kamo tlase go re ge ba ba cheka ba nagane go re ke ma virgin!
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they are taking this 'born again' claim too literally, if you ask me, I know one girl who also believes she is a virgin but she has a 5yr old daughter,
I don't know if its deliberate on the part of the church ministers to mislead/misrepresent stuff or they themselves are clueless, but at times its really painful to see how uninformed their followers are,
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Sad indeed Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
eKapa
There is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born baby
@somaartakeit
@Bumboklaat
Just do deviate a little from the topic. there is no such thing as half tswana or half zulu. If your father is zulu then you are zulu period!
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sorry but you are 50% of both, in the same that a coloured where his/her parents are black and white they are 50% of both.
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I beg to differ, we are not animals and it has been common since time memorial that if I marry a tswana and I am zulu then my kids are zulu and nothalf this or that. They wiil follow my zulu culture and take my surname! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Makhosini0408
Let me add that also we must remember to include ukusoma (non penetrative thigh sex) because it is also prevalent. Whether it is right or wrong is another story all together. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
LBS
@Bumboklaat
@LBS
Bumboklaat - good morning my friend :)
Wish you would post in English sometimes so that I can follow you instead of guessing what you are saying ........
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Sorry dear,
Someone once told me that girls move to the big cities and become sexually active but when they go for virginity testing they insert bacon fat in their vaginas to fool the examiners. don't know if its true though!
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Thank you! :)
LOL so they don't smell fish, more like bacon and eggs?!
Seriously though that would be a very dangerous practice especially if they can't get it out again.
Even more seriously, it makes a mockery of the testing if those testing can't recognise the difference! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
DJWinner
@MissBhakajuju...I will take that as a yes.... Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
BOSSOKEMANGG
Why would you want to prove to people that you are still pure and why would you go if you know that you are not? you personally know that you are pure or not and its not anybody's business. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
MissBhakajuju
SWEETYK
MissBhakajuju
@SWEETYK
hi my Darling, how was your weekend ??
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Was good and how was yours my love?
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it was awesome my Chomie, I spent most of the time indoors, hey the snow is getting the worst of us. lol
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So am I, but yesterday wasn't that bad neh, do you have any blanket with ears and eyes?LOL Report Abuse
how was the weekend my beautiful fellows Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Bumboklaat
@LBS
True, but personally I wouldn't care if my partner is a virgin or not. If she is a lady and has a good personality then that's enough for me! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SeshegoGuY
@Somaartakeit
Hey wena im not a boy....im a GUY. Why are u calling me inkwenkwe?? LoL
@Zaco
Sharp fede my Authi, Weekend was super nice!! U know how we roll in Jozi Report Abuse
So am I, but yesterday wasn't that bad neh, do you have any blanket with ears and eyes?LOL
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lol. tltltltltltltltltlttltltltltltltltltltl, No I don't have luv, I'm so occupied I don't get time anymore, thers been a number of approaches
every where I go, including some bloggers, like Gusheshe, I wonder where he is today. lol Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Little_Dude
@DJWinner - point taken mfwethu
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Kikikikikikikikikikikikikikikikiki new born baby, Hi babes how are you today?
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Hi, ke sharp my frendo fede wena o jwang mara? i did get sum on the weekend Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MGEEZ
@Dzel
As i have said before; one simply needs to read your wri.t.ings to make their own de.d.uction!!! I never a.c.c.used you of being a tri.b.a.list; nor did I ask you if you were one; i simply made a statement of fact based on my observations of your p.o.s.ts on this w.e.b.s.ite; that you are not only a tri.b.a.list but an a.t.h.eist as well (which thing you did not deny because you know it's true and p.o.l.itically correct). What would not be po.l.i.tically correct now is a practicing t.r.i.b.a.l.i.st, or kapa jang??? It was only last week that you thanked G.o.d for being a Z.u.l.u and not being a X.h.o.s.a or a P.e.di that were practisi.n.g for.e.skin ci.r.cum.cision in this same forum and today you tell me that you are a mixture????? You are right and my suggestion to you is simple; instead of trying to heal H.I.V which you ignorantly pro.f.e.ss to be curable publicly (this against scie.n.t.ific evidence to the contrary); it would be easier to cure yr tr.i.b.a.lism and your at.h.e.i.sm (but you must first accept to yourself and not to me or anyone on this b.l.o.g that you need help in that respect). Remember it was not me that first announced their true observation of your discrimin.a.t.ion te.nde.ncies today; it was Naked; I simply concur and you are the only one who is blind to that!!! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
somaartakeit
@Little_Dude why wouldn't it? its in fact healthiest to remain a virgin longer if one can help it cause then you don't have to go through the testing for std's, Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
MissBhakajuju
@SWEETYK
So am I, but yesterday wasn't that bad neh, do you have any blanket with ears and eyes?LOL
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lol. tltltltltltltltltlttltltltltltltltltltl, No I don't have luv, I'm so occupied I don't get time anymore, thers been a number of approaches
every where I go, including some bloggers, like Gusheshe, I wonder where he is today. lol
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I don't want to talk about weekend cause someone will attack me kikikikikikiki, hey my love do you see any necessity to do this test mara? There's someone who is lonely can you please give Leson1 a chance? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
somaartakeit
@SeshegoGuy, I wouldn't dream of calling you a boy *hides* wena you misunderstood me:-) Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
eKapa
SWEETYK
eKapa
There is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born baby
Kikikikikikikikikikikikikikikikiki new born baby, Hi babes how are you today?
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Hi, ke sharp my frendo fede wena o jwang mara? i did get sum on the weekend
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Ke sharp skim saka, ke mjojo ke monate blind vandag. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
LBS
@Bumboklaat
@LBS
True, but personally I wouldn't care if my partner is a virgin or not. If she is a lady and has a good personality then that's enough for me!
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Good for you!
It is in fact ridiculous to expect girls to remain virgins while all the guys want to fornicate!
This has always been the way across all cultures - guys want to marry virgins but also have their fun - not enough virgins to go around.
The mere fact that some girls may try to find a way to pretend to be virgins makes the whole 'testing' business sad, if not laughable.
Maybe this is a male superiorty complex? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
DJWinner
I think @somaartakeit is still a virgin. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Bumboklaat
Zaco go byang mfanaka? o jele byang weekend? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Bumboklaat
@all female bloggers
At what age did you lose your virginity? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
Shredder
@Dzel - I can even tell you how one can cure AIDS or at least how it was done in the case where the patient was cured.
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E tla le tsona ntate. You can help many people, perhaps even here on the Sowetan blog. :). I was actually also curious how Magic Johnson got cured.
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No, I am not talking about Magic Johnson; his case is curious though.
Simple answer: bone marrow stem cell transplant and induced immunity from the HIV virus.
To follow the how you first need to understand the concept of virus mutation how exposure in moderate doses to a virus or a related group of viruses leads one to being resistant to that virus. In the 14th century Europe got hit hard by the bubonic plague leading to what was commonly known as Black Death which wiped out significant portion of the population and is believed to have spread as far as the Americas with devastating consequences for indigenous people like Red Indians.
Europeans particularly from Scandinavian countries grew resistance from the disease, a level of resistance that made many immune to HIV (the mutation is known as delta 32). How the HI virus attacks the human cell is it needs a gene called CR55 which produces a protein that acts as a receptor, it is through this protein that the virus unlocks the cell and then attacks it. If the protein is not there the virus cannot break in so to speak, if one is given enough exposure to the delta 32 mutant gene eventually your cells will lock themselves against HIV which means even with exposure the virus becomes dormant or as harmless as it is in primates.
For interest’s sake the one person in the world known to have been cured of AIDS is Timothy Brown. He is a German who was diagnosed with HIV, a few years later he was given a stem cell transplant to treat his leukaemia and today his viral load has vanished completely meaning he has been completely cured of AIDS.
The complexity with stem cell though is the donor and recipient must be an exact match, this coupled with the complexity of a bone marrow transplant makes curing patients a challenge so the focus for researchers is to find a more practical way of cultivating a donor bank, to this end research is now on using blood from umbilical cords and use that to grow the base.
I say stem cell research is the way to go, yes it borders on playing god but this is a barrier we have to cross if we are to fully tackle scourges like HIV / AIDS. By the way only around 1% of human beings are immune to AIDS but the slant tends to be towards whites from Scandanavian countries as explained. A study undertaken in Kenya years back also indicated some prostitutes who tuned out to be immune.
I personally dont support this. I dont have to prove to anyone that I am a virgin or not.
Thats a mischevious laugh that i see from Zwelithini Nxa. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
Bumboklaat
Just do deviate a little from the topic. there is no such thing as half tswana or half zulu. If your father is zulu then you are zulu period!
True, but I also needed to make Mgeez understand how ridiculous his accusation of tribalism is.
I just realised that most gays are zulus,so when are they going to do this test
unto them ? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Shredder
Dzel - No, I am not talking about Magic Johnson; his case is curious though.
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I was not thinking of Magic Johnson either. I was just curious about him. :) Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
somaartakeit
@Dzel, do we in SA have lab which are developing stem cells? NO cause this regime has not invested in the things that matter, but then again when one thinks of it, zuma and by extension anc are clueless, there are so many medical developments i read about going on in the Netherlands whilst thina apha we are doing virginity testing, yhoo mara the world is moving on without us. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
MGEEZ
@Dzel
As i have said before; one simply needs to read your wri.t.ings to make their own de.d.uction!!! I never a.c.c.used you of being a tri.b.a.list; nor did I ask you if you were one; i simply made a statement of fact based on my observations of your p.o.s.ts on this w.e.b.s.ite; that you are not only a tri.b.a.list but an a.t.h.eist as well (which thing you did not deny because you know it's true and p.o.l.itically correct). What would not be po.l.i.tically correct now is a practicing t.r.i.b.a.l.i.st, or kapa jang??? It
You know what is funny Mgeez, Christians don’t excuse themselves before imposing their views on me. I get stopped in the streets by people who don’t understand what they are talking about. Every day I get mails from people telling me about god, it is in my face all the time.
Yes I am an atheist because I know how religion and Christianity started and developed into a fully fledged religion. I can name your god and tell you how he was created, by whom and when. More importantly I can tell you where the lies are in the bible and substantiate my argument.
Science gives us all the answers including how earth was formed, why we have different layers that make up the earth from the iron core to magma to the crust. I can explain to you why we have earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. How the moon was formed, how life was formed, where the water comes from, etc.
There is no substitute for education and knowledge; once you understand these things you will also understand why the claim that our planet, our galaxy and the cosmos in general was created by god is pathetic at best. Educate yourself my brother, stop accepting what you have been taught at face value; surely you need more than just faith to believe in a god who is man’s creation.
Will discovery of intelligent life convince you otherwise cause if you understood the odds that we are not alone and how life came to earth then you will understand that we are not alone, what remains is for us to make contact with life from other planets or galaxies.
So what????????? Big deal they are still virgins. My body compared to what I'm looking at is way better. and amajita dig it big time. :) Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
m'zaco'
SWEETYK
kwaaaaaaaaaaa! nna i dont have no idea..........haaai! mara i am happy u are fine.
i have a great respect for you! **wink** Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
somaartakeit
@Dzel, do we in SA have lab which are developing stem cells? NO cause this regime has not invested in the things that matter, but then again when one thinks of it, zuma and by extension anc are clueless, there are so many medical developments i read about going on in the Netherlands whilst thina apha we are doing virginity testing, yhoo mara the world is moving on without us.
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Stem c.ell research is a contro.versial topic sommar with overz.ealous reli.gious types sternly against the practice. It falls under research considered taboo like clo.ning of human bei.ngs with good reason too. I am of the opinion that we should look into it more especially if it means cultivating body parts. In the news right now is the case of baby Pippa, you can either have a kid grow up with na.sty bu.rn marks or you can do a skin graft and cover affected areas but why not grow skin from cells, why not try to cultivate what you can in a controlled environment.
I hear why you would want to politicise the research but it is as controversial as frac.king – extracting natural gas like carbon and methane from r.ocks under the surface – as means to generate po.wer. Quite frankly fra.cking sca.res the he.ck out of me but the minister of energy thinks it is a good idea, l.ord have mercy.
@somaartakeit
@Dzel, do we in SA have lab which are developing stem cells? NO cause this regime has not invested in the things that matter, but then again when one thinks of it, zuma and by extension anc are clueless, there are so many medical developments i read about going on in the Netherlands whilst thina apha we are doing virginity testing, yhoo mara the world is moving on without us.
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Cool it down, your ranting Zuma and the ANC government in every article is unhealthy. I think there are many things that are going behind the scenes that we don't know about. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
BiPolar
@somaartakeit
@Dzel, do we in SA have lab which are developing stem cells? NO cause this regime has not invested in the things that matter, but then again when one thinks of it, zuma and by extension anc are clueless, there are so many medical developments i read about going on in the Netherlands whilst thina apha we are doing virginity testing, yhoo mara the world is moving on without us.
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You are so right, instead of investing in Research, Innovation and Development - we are supporting old and outdated practices that no longer have a place in this time and age. We have gravitated into just a consuming nation - we have almost nothing we can proudly say was invented in Africa that benefits the world - we waste time, effort and money hosting virginity ceremonies with the intent to prey on the virgins!! I wonder how many girls lost their virginity after the ceremony! It is only through education that we can revolutionise Africa, Economically and otherwise - not through shoving fingers in young women's p@ssies! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
m'zaco'
SWEETYK
kwaaaaaaaaaaa! nna i dont have no idea..........haaai! mara i am happy u are fine.
i have a great respect for you! **wink**
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Thank you zaco'baco sure ntja yaka, nna ke stress free material kikikikikikikikikikikikikiki twee twe tweee tweee. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MORNACH!ES011
Okonkwo back at pirates!.....this is really news comapared to this cabbage called
viagra test ! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
m'zaco'
@sweetyk
hahahahahahahaha! You see................................... Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
Mgeez
You are right and my suggestion to you is simple; instead of trying to heal H.I.V which you ignorantly pro.f.e.ss to be curable publicly (this against scie.n.t.ific evidence to the contrary)
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All I can say is educate yourself my brother, educate yourself.
We live in the 21st century, there is no excuse for ignorance.
As for me being grateful for not being Xhosa, yes I said as much not because I think ill of Xhosa people but being Zulu I did not have to face the dilemma of going traditional or western. This is not an expression of negative sentiments towards Xhosa people, please don't misunderstand me.
If you feel I am wrong about god then please engage me so we can have a conversation.
@MORNACH!ES011 - I got no problem with this ,mara ya go tsenya menwana ko dinnyong is no gud.
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Ha gona n gud ya niks mo. Ra e tsenya menwana e. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
LESON.1
SWEETYK
m'zaco'
SWEETYK
kwaaaaaaaaaaa! nna i dont have no idea..........haaai! mara i am happy u are fine.
i have a great respect for you! **wink**
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Thank you zaco'baco sure ntja yaka, nna ke stress free material kikikikikikikikikikikikikiki twee twe tweee tweee.
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stress free ? you lost you v1rginity after your netball team lost a match, You were so scared, you just ran straight home with your panty on top of your head,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
somaartakeit
@Biopolar did you know that one minister I think of minerals (I stand corrected) but she is based in KZN is having scientists to investigate lightening and why it always strike black ppl? she was quoted as saying she has not read of a white person being struck by a lightening, go figure, I don't remember if the article was published in the M&G or sowetan but after reading that article I felt ashamed to call ppl like that leaders, hence I fully agree with Dzel that there is no excuse for ppl to remain ignorant with all these education tool and advanced technology at our disposal. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
m'zaco'
@sweetyk
hahahahahahahaha! You see...................................
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kikikikikikikikikikikikiki give me other sound, please remind me of that other joke (sound) I really need to laugh di nngange ditshego vandag kwa quququququuquqririririririri. Report Abuse
Dzel
Are you a student of Darwins' work by any chance? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
LESON.1
SWEETYK
m'zaco'
SWEETYK
kwaaaaaaaaaaa! nna i dont have no idea..........haaai! mara i am happy u are fine.
i have a great respect for you! **wink**
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Thank you zaco'baco sure ntja yaka, nna ke stress free material kikikikikikikikikikikikikiki twee twe tweee tweee.
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stress free ? you lost you v1rginity after your netball team lost a match, You were so scared, you just ran straight home with your panty on top of your head,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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I'm starting to suspect you, eee ok now I know who are you. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
somaartakeit
@MORNACH!ES011
I got no problem with this ,mara ya go tsenya menwana ko dinnyong is no gud.
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what is the difference btwn these ppl and pastor mboro cause it was reported that he also does same things, question is what health precautions are the testers and testees adhere to, cause when a medical practitioner does such tests they use surgical gloves for each patient, do these ppl even use surgical gloves, do they sterilise their hands and any equipment used during this process or the just pick gems from person to the next with blissful ignorance? Report Abuse
You are right and my suggestion to you is simple; instead of trying to heal H.I.V which you ignorantly pro.f.e.ss to be curable publicly (this against scie.n.t.ific evidence to the contrary)
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All I can say is educate yourself my brother, educate yourself.
We live in the 21st century, there is no excuse for ignorance.
As for me being grateful for not being Xhosa, yes I said as much not because I think ill of Xhosa people but being Zulu I did not have to face the dilemma of going traditional or western. This is not an expression of negative sentiments towards Xhosa people, please don't misunderstand me.
If you feel I am wrong about god then please engage me so we can have a conversation.
I respect you mfana, you always lift up my spirit more especially when I'm down o boza Dzel ba mona ba cheche. Boso ke mang? Dzel Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
BiPolar
@somaartakeit
@Biopolar did you know that one minister I think of minerals (I stand corrected) but she is based in KZN is having scientists to investigate lightening and why it always strike black ppl? she was quoted as saying she has not read of a white person being struck by a lightening, go figure, I don't remember if the article was published in the M&G or sowetan but after reading that article I felt ashamed to call ppl like that leaders, hence I fully agree with Dzel that there is no excuse for ppl to remain ignorant with all these education tool and advanced technology at our disposal.
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We need a new wave of thinking and leadership - most of the current leaders were not hired on merit but through political motivation. Also, as a black nation - we need to awaken to the heartbeat of the world. Imagine you are a Virginity Inspector when you do not even understand the anatomy and human physiology! lol@lightning always strike black people - i am speechless! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
Mgeez
Oh yes, another fact you may find interesting.
Science is on the verge of discovering the Higgs boson particle also known as the god particle, what this is is what gives mass to an atom. Essentially it is why you and I have mass which in turn allows us to experience gravity and stay rooted to planet earth. The European Organisation of Nuclear Research also known as CERN is currently involved in research that smashes atoms at extremely high velocity as its method of research, they are expected to release an official statement in July on their research.
This is a very complex concept to explain but I can explain it to you if you want.
The impact of the imminent discovery is that it will smash a key religious cornerstone and go a long way into dismissing claims that the earth and people were created by god. Slowly but surely the wheels are coming off the band wagon.
Do you know in Europe where Christianity flourished currently has a Christian population of around 20%, everyone else has seen Christianity for the farce it really is? Nina abantu abamnyama go around thinking you are enlightened because someone has whispered in your air and you’ve believed it. I find nothing sadder than someone who assumes they are better off because they have been “born again”.
SWEETYK
LESON.1
SWEETYK
m'zaco'
SWEETYK
kwaaaaaaaaaaa! nna i dont have no idea..........haaai! mara i am happy u are fine.
i have a great respect for you! **wink**
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Thank you zaco'baco sure ntja yaka, nna ke stress free material kikikikikikikikikikikikikiki twee twe tweee tweee.
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stress free ? you lost you v1rginity after your netball team lost a match, You were so scared, you just ran straight home with your panty on top of your head,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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I'm starting to suspect you, eee ok now I know who are you.
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C'mon i will not waste my time breaking your v1rginity you can imagine the sound back then, Maybe @m'zaco' did .................... Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
OFFLIMITS
Are you a student of Darwins' work by any chance?
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I believe in evolution yes.
Evolution is a fuzzy concept but not as complicated as we make it. Examples are all around us but we over complicate something that is easy to explain. Evolution is fact.
I want to laugh today, people are talking serious thing batho not bathonyana. A gona bo twe tweee tweee le bo peeeeeee PEEEEEEE today sh*t and dinngange today dam*t. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
M'Lungu
Eish! When da Prez is depicted in a painting with his spear hanging out, everyone was running around foaming at the mouth and shouting "culture" "rights" "respect" etc! Now women is once again shown with their breasts exposed and subjecting themselves to " virginity testing" - yet this province has the hoghest HIV/Aids infection rate in SA (But yes! - a shower will take everything away - according to the Spear!) What's next - IQ tests where people are allowing other to "pick" their brains? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MORNACH!ES011
@somaartakeit,
I got no idea with Mbhoro's practice ,so i'm not in a gud state of mind to argue on that.
What i know is that those gogos must fucken wash their hands with Omo washing
powder....i can share a bowl of food with them ......but i do think Zooomer got a hand
in this practice ,i min u may find out tat he want to marry them nexy year january...
phela tat guy is a real skebereshee.....
@Shirinda,
Wa re o bohloko kae kgauswi le mogwete ?
@Zacos,
I saw your message over the weekend kikikikiki wa nnya.ka ganthe ? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
m'zaco'
@Zacos,
I saw your message over the weekend kikikikiki wa nnya.ka ganthe ?
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what messages???....i never contacted you over the weekend bosssza..... :)) Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
OFFLIMITS
Dzel
The elusive 'god particle'...
The explanation to all of creation. Cant wait to read the hypothesis on that issue Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
LESON.1
@m'zaco'
what? how was the sound back then ? don't you see this chick can't get enaf of man- shetse a fereya 1 blogger and le blogger ya gona ka gore e rata dilo e tlo dumela,,, sheba wena....... Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MORNACH!ES011
m'zaco'
@Zacos,
I saw your message over the weekend kikikikiki wa nnya.ka ganthe ?
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what messages???....i never contacted you over the weekend bosssza..... :))
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U did mann....check ko inbox ya gago.....don't be silly pls Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Spekepeke
Too all the virgins out there """ THANX FOR NOTHING" Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
m'zaco'
@sweetyk
eish............go to haha.com, find some amusing jokes__ wa bona batho ba stressed! ke mafello a kgwedi bo rra-dikoloto ba kokota monyako....lol Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
somaartakeit
@Biopolar I can somehow try to understand some of the things they are doing even though I strongly disagree, but my biggest fear is cross infection I hope for the sake of the 200 virgins they are adhering to health and safety procedures. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
m'zaco'
MORNACH!ES011
m'zaco'
@Zacos,
I saw your message over the weekend kikikikiki wa nnya.ka ganthe ?
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what messages???....i never contacted you over the weekend bosssza..... :))
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U did mann....check ko inbox ya gago.....don't be silly pls
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dont be a fool buddy... the only message i sent u was the father's day wishes boet!
*****bear in mind you are an option not a priority........frankly!!! kikikikikiki Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
LESON.1
@m'zaco'
what? how was the sound back then ? don't you see this chick can't get enaf of man- shetse a fereya 1 blogger and le blogger ya gona ka gore e rata dilo e tlo dumela,,, sheba wena.......
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tweee twee tweee tweee jealous e tletse ko sefatlhegong kikikikikikikikikik Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MORNACH!ES011
@Zaco,
Seriious mfowethu ko facebook....mara i'm not a gay ,so u better stop sending
such messages.....my wifee was so angry with me *serious-face* Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
m'zaco'
@leson.1
i know the reset button!.....................kwakwakwakwakwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
m'zaco'
MORNACH!ES011
@Zaco,
Seriious mfowethu ko facebook....mara i'm not a gay ,so u better stop sending
such messages.....my wifee was so angry with me *serious-face*
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my handset has no facebook tab! i dont facebook at all_ what are you insinuating my friend.............!! me facebook! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
LESON.1
@m'zaco'
@sweetyk
eish............go to haha.com, find some amusing jokes__ wa bona batho ba stressed! ke mafello a kgwedi bo rra-dikoloto ba kokota monyako....lol
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what about wena - tsamaya o patele batho ba ko di caravaneng o be o tsea magobe ka bukana.... Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
m'zaco'
@sweetyk
eish............go to haha.com, find some amusing jokes__ wa bona batho ba stressed! ke mafello a kgwedi bo rra-dikoloto ba kokota monyako....lol
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Eish and they don't answer private calls, bo 087 248 6394 ke dikoloto ge tseo. Ba tla ba strong ba etsisa bo HUSBY ga ba reka kikikikikikiki,kikikiki during the month ba phinyetsa godimo mooo month end ke streechhh kikikikikikikikik Ba tla ba Strong. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
m'zaco'
wa gafa monakis............. nna i am never/ not / A GAYYYY Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
BiPolar
@somaartakeit
@Biopolar I can somehow try to understand some of the things they are doing even though I strongly disagree, but my biggest fear is cross infection I hope for the sake of the 200 virgins they are adhering to health and safety procedures.
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I get you ---that is a very high risk as i doubt if the practice/ceremony of virgins is monitored and or accredited by the department of health. As for Mborho - i only see him on Soweto TV healing mainly women by exorcising demons and objects coming out of their private parts!! People claim you can also get healed by saying 'Mborho' - what a false prophet!! In the end, i am of the opinion that one sexuality/virginity - whether you lose it bothways (back and front) - it is a very personal matter and should not be for public display. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
m'zaco'
MORNACH!ES011
m'zaco'
@Zacos,
I saw your message over the weekend kikikikiki wa nnya.ka ganthe ?
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what messages???....i never contacted you over the weekend bosssza..... :))
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U did mann....check ko inbox ya gago.....don't be silly pls
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dont be a fool buddy... the only message i sent u was the father's day wishes boet!
*****bear in mind you are an option not a priority........frankly!!! kikikikikiki
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Gona le bo Senzo le bo Jaison mooo ke a tshaba janong. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Luv2kiss
wow 200 virgins - there's still some hope Report Abuse
you watch too much TV- gona le DSTV ya R20 ka kgedi please hlabologa le wena hleeeeee Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
LESON.1
@m'zaco'
do you think @SWEETK a ka go gana- be honest .................... Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
m'zaco'
@sweetyk
kikikiki.........eish! ka moka re daaaaaaa!!!____
@ leson.1
kikiki........nna ke ja loaf brown le peanut__ peeeeeeeeeep peeeeeeeeeeep Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
LESON.1
@SWEETYK
you watch too much TV- gona le DSTV ya R20 ka kgedi please hlabologa le wena hleeeeee
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Do you know who killed Tiro ko the Wild? or o sheba ya 107 Mzansi where he's alive? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Shredder
@Dzel - Do you know in Europe where Christianity flourished currently has a Christian population of around 20%, everyone else has seen Christianity for the farce it really is? Nina abantu abamnyama go around thinking you are enlightened because someone has whispered in your air and you’ve believed it. I find nothing sadder than someone who assumes they are better off because they have been “born again”.
What a whole lot of bull that is.
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Dzel, what you are saying is simply confirmation of the prophecies that in the last days scoffers will come[mocking God] saying where is the promise of His coming? Ever since creation things have been like this and will continue like this. We see it happening more and more in this decade than the past. So, I see it as one of the prophecies being fulfilled, no problem with you unbelief and mockery. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
DJWinner
Luv2kiss
wow 200 virgins - there's still some hope
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These are only reserved for Zulus, please.... Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MuAfro
KILLERa1111
I dont understand why wld SOWETAN run a poll about virginity test asking SOTHOS, VENDAZ, PEDIS and so forth coz it not their culture...we know what the response gona be...Wld you ask uMzulu wether he like Masonja or wld he wear a traditiional blanket in a 40 degree hot weather.
I think it time for SOWETAN readers to boycot sowetan newspapaer because they are dividing us as SA tribes...
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I agree with you bro, how can I support or not support something I am not familiar with. Is like asking South Africans about a culture practiced in Venezuela. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
m'zaco'
leson.1
i have no idea__ besides a ke fereyane totally!!....i only make friends
she has become friend with me Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
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The elusive 'god particle'...
The explanation to all of creation. Cant wait to read the hypothesis on that issue
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Well crea.tion boils down to amino acids, everything that is alive has amino acids without which li.fe would be impo.ssible. In fact we owe our existence to a chain of events not just one big ba.ng and viola, you have a human being.
Oddly enough our biggest benefactor is a bacterium called Cyanobacteria that introduced oxygen to planet ea.rth, without these bacteria our atmosphere would still be full of carb.on and meth.ane making it pois.onous to bre.athe and the temperature too hot to survive due to green house effect. In short earth would be like hel.lish Venus which is 470 degrees hot because of trapped greenhouse gases.
The opposite of Ve.nus is Ma.rs - both our closest relatives and within the habitable zone therefore should support life. Mars is a freezing planet with no atmosphere (you can’t trap heat if there is no atmosphere), Ma.rs core stopped rotating in its infacy and represents what would happen to our planet if the core stopped rotating.
It’s things like these relig.ious fana.tics don't understand, earth is far from being perfect and there are so many ways things can go wr.ong but like clockwork it keeps on functioning bar a few natural disasters like earthquakes and volcanic eruptions which have absolutely nothing to do with a higher being and everything to do with earth's geology.
Guys, you have to understand that Ve.nus, Earth and M.ars were formed at the same time through the same method yet Earth is the only success story of the three planets and this is due to the earth’s size and that we have a fully functional co.re which produces a magnetosphere that protects us from the sun.
m'zaco'
@sweetyk
kikikiki.........eish! ka moka re daaaaaaa!!!____
@ leson.1
kikiki........nna ke ja loaf brown le peanut__ peeeeeeeeeep peeeeeeeeeeep
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You lying man - You eat Blue ribbon brown bread ka mala mogodu for lunch..................... Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
eKapa
DJWinner
Luv2kiss
wow 200 virgins - there's still some hope
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These are only reserved for Zulus, please....
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hai maan yhini manje? KZN is the bigest province but it have only 200 virgins!? Hai mara Mzansi iku'ku iyadliwa strong lana
kikikiki........... mala mogodu! kikikikikikikikiki!! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
LESON.1
@m'zaco'
do you think @SWEETK a ka go gana- be honest ....................
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Nka se mo gane, nka gana wena wa tlhogo ya l*s*pa la mo-tho o jang brown bread too much. Wa leitsi le le kutsang metsi ko toilet.
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Jun 25, 2012
Luv2kiss
DJWinner
Luv2kiss
wow 200 virgins - there's still some hope
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These are only reserved for Zulus, please....
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"Nna ke nyeke ha ke batle ma-virgin" u know that clip? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Luv2kiss
Luv2kiss
DJWinner
Luv2kiss
wow 200 virgins - there's still some hope
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These are only reserved for Zulus, please....
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"Nna ke nyetse ha ke batle ma-virgin " u know that clip Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
LESON.1
@m'zaco'
leson.1
i have no idea__ besides a ke fereyane totally!!....i only make friends
she has become friend with me
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o la hlile o kare ke wena @SWEETYK
listen you dn't have to do much- just send her please call ke ya gorata then it's done.....................
It is also interesting to observe that the traditionalists are quick to tell others to back off their culture and then they want us to fund its existence?
Also is being a virgin an achievement in KZN? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
LESON.1
m'zaco'
@sweetyk
kikikiki.........eish! ka moka re daaaaaaa!!!____
@ leson.1
kikiki........nna ke ja loaf brown le peanut__ peeeeeeeeeep peeeeeeeeeeep
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You lying man - You eat Blue ribbon brown bread ka mala mogodu for lunch.....................
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@sweetyk
Tjooooooooo.......... hai wena!...kikikiki Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
LESON.1
@m'zaco'
leson.1
i have no idea__ besides a ke fereyane totally!!....i only make friends
she has become friend with me
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o la hlile o kare ke wena @SWEETYK
listen you dn't have to do much- just send her please call ke ya gorata then it's done.....................
Dzel
Agreed. But you yourself know that broken down to our simplest form, we're mere atoms. That mass that gave rise to our unique mass is what is in question when going to the fundamental core of the whole Higgs study. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
m'zaco'
sweetyk
ke nnete nthoe e bolelang ke lesson??
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Which one ka gore pjaaaa eeee entse e tlhanya. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
eKapa
Luv2kiss
Luv2kiss
DJWinner
Luv2kiss
wow 200 virgins - there's still some hope
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These are only reserved for Zulus, please....
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"Nna ke nyetse ha ke batle ma-virgin " u know that clip
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Lol ..ga ke nyake ma-virgin nna mama ke nyetse nna, e bile a zang ka ba rata basadi nna mama..lol Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
Shredder
Dzel, what you are saying is simply confirmation of the prophecies that in the last days scoffers will come[mocking God] saying where is the promise of His coming? Ever since creation things have been like this and will continue like this. We see it happening more and more in this decade than the past. So, I see it as one of the prophecies being fulfilled, no problem with you unbelief and mockery.
It is proof of a people who have woken up and have seen the light. Like I said to you I can answer most question on the universe because when I started asking the right questions I did not just listen to someone with a vested interest, I did my research and tried to debunk religion from all possible angles so I could be sure of my position.
I can only point you in the right direction; it is up to you what you want to believe after that. What I have found though is many are too entrenched in their beliefs or are too gullible to accept the truth when it is facing the,m.
I know arguing that we are not alone makes me come across as some sort of fruitcake but try put this into perspective:
In our galaxy the Milky Way there are hundreds of billions of stars just like our sun. Our sun has 9 planets so if we assumed the same is true across the universe then there are atleast a trillion planets in our galaxy alone. Let’s assume a modest 1% of these are in the habitable zone – not too hot and not too cold to support life – that leaves 10 billion in the zone. Assuming 1% of these is capable of supporting life that leaves 100 million planets and if 5% of these can support intelligent life then it means a few million planets but again lets be modest and cut this down to a few thousands planets capable of supporting life.
Do you still think we are alone?
Do you still think god created this planet called earth and that we are the lucky ones in the cosmos, there are billions of galaxies so do the math.
she will never say NO to you as long as she can hear some coin sounds ka mo pokothong - it's a win win Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
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Agreed. But you yourself know that broken down to our simplest form, we're mere atoms. That mass that gave rise to our unique mass is what is in question when going to the fundamental core of the whole Higgs study.
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Of course, I just wanted to break it down to life in its simplest form.
@Zaco,
Never say a lady wa hlala mo la a go batla mann....mo charme ,ten o mmotsise gore
o prefer large or extra large ....so o se ka dom dom mfanaka. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
m'zaco'
@leson.1
kikikiki..........kwakwakwakwa! wa bona taba ya go nthomella mathari, NX! ke tla iphereyela ge ke rata maaaaaan! wena @leson.1
@monakis
le wena monakis..............**wink** Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Tango
MuAfro
KILLERa1111
I dont understand why wld SOWETAN run a poll about virginity test asking SOTHOS, VENDAZ, PEDIS and so forth coz it not their culture...we know what the response gona be...Wld you ask uMzulu wether he like Masonja or wld he wear a traditiional blanket in a 40 degree hot weather.
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hehehe i never knew the was something called a traditiional blanket as a blanket is a blanket Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MORNACH!ES011
Psalm 119:11, “Your word have I laid up in my heart, that I might not sin against You”
Did you know that the Word of God has the power to protect you and keep you from doing the things you know you shouldn’t do? Hebrews tells us that the Word of God is living and active; it’s powerful in our lives. God communicates to us through His written Word, the Bible, and He communicates with us through His spoken Word which can come in many ways. In scripture, God spoke to people through a burning bush, a still small voice, and even a donkey. Today, He may speak to your heart through a friend, a worship song, or something in creation. One thing is for sure, when He does speak, your spirit knows it. There is confirmation in your inner man. God always speaks truth, and truth always sets you free!
God’s Word also protects you. When you hold His Word close to your heart, it acts like a shield around your heart. You hold His Word close to you by meditating on it, focusing on it, thinking about it and declaring it. As you allow His truth to sink into your spirit, it will empower you and change you. It will equip you to live the good life He has prepared Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
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Dzel
We're on the same page G.
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I can tell you know your stuff, I wish more people were informed enough to understand what we are talking about so they are in a better position to understand if there is any credibility to an external force that created the planet and its people.
If people understood the process of creation, the various stages in the formation of the planet and the various significant life forms - bacteria to dinosaurs and now us - they would understand why religion is built on shaky ground.
I just wish Sowetan public more stories on science and technology. We are not doing ourselves a favour by concentrating on umgosi instead of important topics. This things should be common knowledge and not stuff that interest curious people like us.
@Somaar:
His Majesty King Mswati holds the Reed Dance with the intent to select a new wife/princess. It is not clear if King Zwelithini is on the same boat. Can anyone outline atleast one benefit of undergoing this Virginity Test! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
LESON.1
@m'zaco'
she will never say NO to you as long as she can hear some coin sounds ka mo pokothong - it's a win win
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bannna! se o le morutii byale____
weldone @wordofGod...........kikikikikiki! i am impressed! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
m'zaco'
SWEETYK
LESON.1
@m'zaco'
she will never say NO to you as long as she can hear some coin sounds ka mo pokothong - it's a win win
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Kgale's money box is full.
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My sister nna i am sorry! ke bashemane baaa...nna i am innocent! they disrespected your hubby....
If you think the bible is the word of god then I ask you to research how it was compiled more importantly to what end, what was the motives of both Christians and Romans who sanctioned the process.
I wonder how many virgins in this site. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
LESON.1
@m'zaco'
@sweetyk
hehehehe ya maratoz!! mara wa dlala vele! kikikiki
@ leson.1
wena u take sweetyk for granted............lol
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taking her for granted c'mon--- every month end i buy her (12,5 Ace maize meal, 25Ltr of cooking oil and le di skopo tse 2 tsa Kolobe....... and she still think she is using me -------- ki ki ki ki Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
m'zaco'
Dzel
Monarchies,
If you think the bible is the word of god then I ask you to research how it was compiled more importantly to what end, what was the motives of both Christians and Romans who sanctioned the process.
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so what are your insinuations with that retort to monakis??
You think isnt the word of God?? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Shredder
@Dzel -
Shredder
DzI can only point you in the right direction; it is up to you what you want to believe after that. What I have found though is many are too entrenched in their beliefs or are too gullible to accept the truth when it is facing the,m.
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Nah! I belief what I see around me happening and relate to the Bible and I see that it is true. The Bible is alive and sharper than any 2 edged sword.
Actually, I used to believe in evolution too.
The Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, O Tyre, and I will bring many nations against you, like the sea casting up its waves. They will destroy the walls of Tyre and pull down her towers; I will scrape away her rubble and make her a bare rock.
You will never be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD.
You will be sought, but you will never again be found, declares the Sovereign LORD."
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Other things like the walls of Jericho have been dug out, but not Tyre. Archeologists have tried finding the city of Tyre and have never found it. Good luck if you are going to to try to rebuilt it with them Dzel. It won't happen because The Sovereign LORD has spoken it.
DZEL
Sowetan is not a condusive environment for the type of curiousity we like plunging into. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
m'zaco'
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so what are your insinuations with that retort to monakis??
You think isnt the word of God??
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I am not insinuating anything, I am telling you it is not the word of god.
@MORNACH!ES011 - the Word of God is living and active; it’s powerful in our lives.
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You beat me to it. Hihihihi.
In my post aove I told Dzel the same thing that "The Bible is alive and sharper than any 2 edged sword. " Report Abuse
LESON.1
@m'zaco'
@sweetyk
hehehehe ya maratoz!! mara wa dlala vele! kikikiki
@ leson.1
wena u take sweetyk for granted............lol
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taking her for granted c'mon--- every month end i buy her (12,5 Ace maize meal, 25Ltr of cooking oil and le di skopo tse 2 tsa Kolobe....... and she still think she is using me -------- ki ki ki ki
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Itjoo nna never, a ke gane ke batla go tshega mare not like this. Ke gana ka nna iyo boring yiyiyiyiyiyiyiyiyy (I'm laughing)zuzuzuzuzuzuuzuzu Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
m'zaco'
@dzel
Ok!
when a man is set on a course, no amount of persuassion can deter him especially fuelled and blinded by The wicked man.
she will never say NO to you as long as she can hear some coin sounds ka mo pokothong - it's a win win
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Kgale's money box is full.
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My sister nna i am sorry! ke bashemane baaa...nna i am innocent! they disrespected your hubby....
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Mzaco wa nqala akere, did you see gore o ngotse lebitso la HUSBY jwang? please do some corrections. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
m'zaco'
@sweetyk
kwaaaaaaaaaaaaa!.................kwakwkawkakwakwakwakwa
12,5 Ace maize meal, 25Ltr of cooking oil and le di skopo tse 2 tsa Kolobe!! eish!.............kikikiki Report Abuse
I rest my whiskey, ke a go bona o batla go nketsa mpopo wa dikatana. Kikikikikikikikiki o sele shame
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bathong./............ke sele?? ke entseng mara ...Nna! lol Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MORNACH!ES011
Zaco talk to me on the other side .......ka pele mokgotse ! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
Shredder,
Other things like the walls of Jericho have been dug out, but not Tyre. Archeologists have tried finding the city of Tyre and have never found it. Good luck if you are going to to try to rebuilt it with them Dzel. It won't happen because The Sovereign LORD has spoken it.
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I prefer you make a specific statement so we can debate the content, you have provided a general statement which makes your statement difficult to respond to.
Be that as it may, to get to Jericho you first have to prove that there was indeed a mass migration from Egypt which there is no proof it occurred. If this did not happen then the 10 commandments are a fallacy and so if this chosen people lie.
m'zaco'
@dzel
Ok!
when a man is set on a course, no amount of persuassion can deter him especially fuelled and blinded by The wicked man.
No further comment. Sir!
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When in a corner whip out the dreaded Satan, LOL.
Dude there is no Satan, no hell if anything the concept of Satan does not even have its roots in Christianity. Now if you understood the purpose behind the bible you will also understand why a bit a stick was necessary to ensure conformance.
MORNACH!ES011
Zaco talk to me on the other side .......ka pele mokgotse !
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There is something that I don't understand here? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
LESON.1
@SWEETYK
you watch too much TV- gona le DSTV ya R20 ka kgedi please hlabologa le wena hleeeeee
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Do you know who killed Tiro ko the Wild? or o sheba ya 107 Mzansi where he's alive?
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Don't take me for granted papa nna HUSBY wa provider sies ka DSTV ya R20.00 Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
BiPolar
@Dzel/ Shredder:
If you are 'living in the moment' and are connected to the source - it won't be difficult to understand the bible -- it will speak to you personally and to your life situation. The Bible is a pointer to the truth - the truth is re-union with God and you access God by journeying within and finding your soul which is essentially you and one with God. Once you are connected, the word is embedded in the connection by default and you do not even need the bible to guide you on what to do. Your conscience will be alive resulting in your consciousness. God cannot be seen with eyes nor comprehended by the mind - he can only be felt right now and here. Report Abuse
I rest my whiskey, ke a go bona o batla go nketsa mpopo wa dikatana. Kikikikikikikikiki o sele shame
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bathong./............ke sele?? ke entseng mara ...Nna! lol
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If you are 'living in the moment' and are connected to the source - it won't be difficult to understand the bible -- it will speak to you personally and to your life situation. The Bible is a pointer to the truth
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Perhaps we need to rewind to the beginning, please answer the following questions:
1. Who wrote the bible,
2. When, and
3. What was the objective (why)
To make it easier for you let's stick to the old testament where the pillar of religion are found.
@Dzel - I prefer you make a specific statement so we can debate the content, you have provided a general statement which makes your statement difficult to respond to.
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It is not a general statement. Some cities that were destroyed have been found by Archeologists. Yet this one it is stated that it won't be found and it won't rebuilt. It hasn't been found yet. Good luck in rebuilding it because God said it won't be rebuilt.
@Dzel
m'zaco'
@dzel
Ok!
when a man is set on a course, no amount of persuassion can deter him especially fuelled and blinded by The wicked man.
No further comment. Sir!
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When in a corner whip out the dreaded Satan, LOL.
Dude there is no Satan, no hell if anything the concept of Satan does not even have its roots in Christianity. Now if you understood the purpose behind the bible you will also understand why a bit a stick was necessary to ensure conformance.
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The devil is the 'the Mind' - the god of this world - a lot of people live their lives without knowing who they really are - they identify with what they think - achievements (past, present and future) - material. If you achieve great success and still feel empty/hollow or that something is missing - then you are disconnected from the real you (the spirit of God in you) - when you access the real you - all fall into place, you cease to struggle. You emanate peace, you become a Godly force creating and doing great! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MORNACH!ES011
SWEETYK
MORNACH!ES011
Zaco talk to me on the other side .......ka pele mokgotse !
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There is something that I don't understand here?
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Don't worry that boi is all yours ,but tell me ke nnete gore o le extra large ?ke ra
condom sesi . Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
MORNACH!ES011
SWEETYK
MORNACH!ES011
Zaco talk to me on the other side .......ka pele mokgotse !
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There is something that I don't understand here?
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Don't worry that boi is all yours ,but tell me ke nnete gore o le extra large ?ke ra
condom sesi
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@Dzel;
The prophets wrote the bible: Re: OT
e.g. The 40 year journey from Egypt to Canaanland is symbolic to my 33 years of seeking the God in me and now that i am connected to this God - i live in Canaanland. Regarding the 10 commandments - Christ summed that with the love commandment. When you read the bible - you do not need a literal translation - you need an personal translation - that is why you meditate on the word (reading it aloud repeatedly). People pass through severe circumstances and need the word to encourage them and remind them of what God has done for others and that he could do it for them. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
Shredder
It is not a general statement. Some cities that were destroyed have been found by Archeologists. Yet this one it is stated that it won't be found and it won't rebuilt. It hasn't been found yet. Good luck in rebuilding it because God said it won't be rebuilt.
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What is thought to be the city of Jericho and was excavated show no sign of war, no sign of a raging inferno that brought an entire city down.
I suggest you watch the Bible's Buried Secrets, it will shed light on topics you may be grappling with especially from an archaeological perspective.
"The Land of Canaan (called the Promised Land in the Hebrew Bible) was not taken over by conquest as described in the Book of Joshua - rather, the Israelites actually might have been Canaanites who migrated into the highlands and created a new identity for themselves. Of the 31 sites the Bible says that Joshua conquered, few showed any signs of war. "Joshua really didn't fight the Battle of Jericho," William G. Dever said."
YouTube: youtube.com/watch?v=Yvg2EZAEw5c
It is broken down to 13 episodes around 6 minutes each.
Tjo this marathon talk over religion is mentally exhaustive, everyone believes what they chose to believe in as long as htey don't impose such a belief on others, Dzel please understand the Bible thumpers are conditioned and fine tuned into thinking the way they do, to you and me it doesn't make sense but that is how it is,
for the big part, are you Christians and Atheists still virgins:-) cause this is what the topic is about. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Bumboklaat
@Sweetyk
go byang my sister? I just wanted to have an idea! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
LESON.1
SWEETYK
LESON.1
@SWEETYK
you watch too much TV- gona le DSTV ya R20 ka kgedi please hlabologa le wena hleeeeee
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Do you know who killed Tiro ko the Wild? or o sheba ya 107 Mzansi where he's alive?
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Don't take me for granted papa nna HUSBY wa provider sies ka DSTV ya R20.00
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Your Husby bought a TV with no buttons and remote so you are using a teespon to press the buttons ka gore di wetse ka gare........... Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
BiPolar
@Dzel;
The prophets wrote the bible: Re: OT
e.g. The 40 year journey from Egypt to Canaanland is symbolic to my 33 years of seeking the God in me and now that i am connected to this God - i live in Canaanland.
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Which prophets exactly?
Easy one-liners do not amount to an answer.
By the way there is nothing symbolic of the great trek, to say one is symbolic serves one purpose and that is to avoid the burden of proof.
Wena, did you enjoyed your mala mogodu ? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Bigbooty
private parts?? what private parts,,, that name no longer exist ,, ladies show show their nyashh!! everywhere and guys always willing to show their dicks,, c'mon peeps let them galz been inspected after all its their choice,,
last friday it was NO PANTIES DAY and it was nice walking around town with none, whoooooooooo !!! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
somaartakeit
Tjo this marathon talk over religion is mentally exhaustive, everyone believes what they chose to believe in as long as htey don't impose such a belief on others, Dzel please understand the Bible thumpers are conditioned
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This is my problem.
Christians like WordofGod think they have a right to impose religion on me and when I respond and state what I believe and why people get uncomfortable.
Isn't being a "born again" seen as some form of validation or a badge of honour?
Perhaps I should also knock on doors and impose my views on them.
@Dzel, you must please understand where 'wordofgod' comes from she is a bible thumper without any original thought cause she has not researched what she wants to impose on others as a superior belief, hence I said this type of ppl are conditioned and fine tuned there is nothing you can do about/against that conditioning, they only push forth the dogma handed to them by the pastor mboro and others like that. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
m'zaco'
SWEETYK
dont entertain this man!!!.........i am back Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Bigbooty
@DJ WINNER
me me me,, i am not a virging by birth ,, but mine is still tight like a virgin *hot cake* Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Shredder
@somaartakeit - Dzel please understand the Bible thumpers are conditioned and fine tuned into thinking the way they do, to you and me it doesn't make sense but that is how it is,
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It is just like atheists. You are right about one thing, "that is how it is". Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
BiPolar
@Dzel;
Don't beleive everything you read. Take what resonates as truth to you based on your level of evolution or phase you passing through. Christ whom the Christian follows said we are not under the law - the only commandment he gave was that we love ourselves and each other. it stands to reason if you love someone you will not hurt/harm another person as outlined in the ten commandments.
I have also indicated that the bible is not the ultimate truth - but a pointer to the truth. and the truth is reconnecting with the God in you. The sum and substance of the Gospel of Christ is Faith. Also note that since the bible is a pointer, there are many other pointers/religions: Tao, Hindi, Islam, African spiritism etc: are all pointing to the fact that there is a God in us who is one with the universal God.
The latter is the sum and substance of all religions irrespective of their differences and practices. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Bumboklaat
@Bigbooty
@DJ WINNER
me me me,, i am not a virging by birth ,, but mine is still tight like a virgin *hot cake*
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Hey lare totedisa lena man, le di username tsa lena dia totedisa! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
BiPolar
@Bigbooty
private parts?? what private parts,,, that name no longer exist ,, ladies show show their nyashh!! everywhere and guys always willing to show their dicks,, c'mon peeps let them galz been inspected after all its their choice,,
last friday it was NO PANTIES DAY and it was nice walking around town with none, whoooooooooo !!!
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you strike me as a f@cked up person mentally, physically and emotionally, Naija people have finished you --- you even know the word 'Nyash = Big Booty' - Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
2nevvy4u
se le tswile tseleng le bua ska difeebe tsa ma-viirgin yanong. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
somaartakeit
@Dzel every now and then I visit church to be social you know and of course to do business with the perishners afterall what harm can that be if I involve God in my business, anyway some of the stories one gets to you from these ppl, that they were saved from being, most commonly place they are being saved from is from themselves ie makign bad choices which result in them being abused by their spouses, some are hopeless the church is to them a means of survival, their will power has been broken down by whatever experiences they had in their lives, so the only salvation they are told is to thump the good book, when if the pastors were honest they should tell them to sort their issues, I used to know this lady, she was a WatchTower, you know she used family money for anything except for what it was intended for, her husband worked for 20yrs as a bus driver, her daughter who was my friend in the middle of a divorce, instead of being a mother and support her daughter and be honest to her husband about their pending financial crisis, she went to church and pray, in the church she was convinced by some of the 'brothers & sisters' that God will reveal a plan to her problems, 6 months later their house was repossessed, if anything her church helped her to deceive her family, cause she said to me, they knew about pending repo, but everyone who knew except her husband, looked at the poor guy in the face every Sunday and other day her husband came to church and didn't have a courage to be honest with him, so the poor guy was taken by a huge surprise that the house he called his for more than 20yrs was to be repossessed cause his wife used family finances irresponsibly. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
BiPolar
@BigNYash;
I am sure you are one of those people who lost their virginity twice; first their 'p@ssy' was disvirgined, then their '@rse' -- don't pretend to be virgin mary Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
somaartakeit
So my concl about the bible and over religious ppl is that they use the bible to hide from reality. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Little_Dude
Dzel
m'zaco'
@dzel
Ok!
when a man is set on a course, no amount of persuassion can deter him especially fuelled and blinded by The wicked man.
No further comment. Sir!
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When in a corner whip out the dreaded Satan, LOL.
Dude there is no Satan, no hell if anything the concept of Satan does not even have its roots in Christianity. Now if you understood the purpose behind the bible you will also understand why a bit a stick was necessary to ensure conformance.
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hey monna do you believe in GOD???? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
Shredder
It is just like atheists. You are right about one thing, "that is how it is".
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Atheists base their position on facts, Christians on faith.
While there is little doubt Christ was a real person who lived at the time it was claimed he lived and that he was crucified it is the little things around his existence that were doctored.
Be that as it may you can try reading up on the topic and i'll gladly assist with pointing to the right material but I get the sense you don't want to find out arguments against religion since you are comfortable with what you think you know.
Truth is it is fear of the unknown that keeps people religious, one day we will all found out we were scammed by people who claim a moral authority. In their defense many really do believe in the existence of god and many are also aware they are lying to the public.
People we can explain and replicate something as complicated as fusion - how the sun generates its energy - yet we are insecure enough to seek solace in a being that does not exist.
dont entertain this man!!!.........i am back
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Bonang you want to take over my Monthly responsibilities ? u got guts------morena
wena shame you not going to make it cos you dnt even have a Fridge where you stay - you put all your groceries on top of your waldrope ka swart sak...... Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Little_Dude
Little_Dude
Dzel
m'zaco'
@dzel
Ok!
when a man is set on a course, no amount of persuassion can deter him especially fuelled and blinded by The wicked man.
No further comment. Sir!
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When in a corner whip out the dreaded Satan, LOL.
Dude there is no Satan, no hell if anything the concept of Satan does not even have its roots in Christianity. Now if you understood the purpose behind the bible you will also understand why a bit a stick was necessary to ensure conformance.
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hey monna do you believe in GOD????
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i reverse my question obviously you dont believe in GOD. i can see you only believe what you can see and touch, in fact its not believe rather a FACT. YOU WANT FACTS NOT BELIEVE. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
Bumboklaat
@Sweetyk
go byang my sister? I just wanted to have an idea!
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you watch too much TV- gona le DSTV ya R20 ka kgedi please hlabologa le wena hleeeeee
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Do you know who killed Tiro ko the Wild? or o sheba ya 107 Mzansi where he's alive?
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Don't take me for granted papa nna HUSBY wa provider sies ka DSTV ya R20.00
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Your Husby bought a TV with no buttons and remote so you are using a teespon to press the buttons ka gore di wetse ka gare...........
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O tsaya HUSBY botsatsa neh? do you know gore a ka go reka le wena? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Shredder
@Dzel - Truth is it is fear of the unknown that keeps people religious, one day we will all found out we were scammed by people who claim a moral authority.
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Let's put it this way Dzel; one day we DIE will find out the truth. Whether we will disappear poof!! just like that or we will indeed meet the Almighty God :) Report Abuse
I have also indicated that the bible is not the ultimate truth - but a pointer to the truth. and the truth is reconnecting with the God in you.
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Funny thing is what you are saying is what the gospel of Thomas - which never made the cut and was therefore excluded in the final version religious scholars and the Romans settled on - says but Christianity is very clear. According to Christianity god is made up of the holy trinity and as John 3:16 says if you want to meet god then be buddies with Jesus.
You are contradicting scripture BiPolar, this is what happens when one relies on interpretation; it is called the broken telephone line syndrome.
@LIttle Dude there is nothing wrong with having believing in something even if that is a cat or God whatever you want to call it, but what is a problem is when ppl start to say whatever it is they believe in is going to give them some magic powers to solve their issues, we must get into these beliefs sober so that we are not deluded or taken for granted by preditors who usually prey on the vulnerable and lazy to think, look at how Mboro is exploiting belief? what is sad many believe him? look at how that McCauwley guys is milking his congruent, if religion was given for free by Jesus Christ why are his followers selling it? Mna I have always had a problem especially with religious brokers disguised as priests/pastors etc who siphon funds of their followers in some instances corruptly or under false pretense and then some are so arrogant they make their followers feel guilty for not giving money to the church, I used to know a woman who used to give all her money to the church whilst her kids at home starved, this is like those men playing cards game in the centre of JHB who give their victims hope and then rob them.
It is particularly annoying cause most ppl who fall prey to these religious predators are usually ppl who do not have the means. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
LESON.1
@m'zaco'
Wena, did you enjoyed your mala mogodu ?
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What did you eat wena ka gore o ntse o phinya tlala moo? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Shredder
@Dzel - Truth is it is fear of the unknown that keeps people religious, one day we will all found out we were scammed by people who claim a moral authority.
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Let's put it this way Dzel; one day when we DIE will find out the truth. Whether we will disappear poof!! just like that or we will indeed meet the Almighty God :) Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
somaartakeit
Finally if the poor read more literature that is empowering with knowledge to survive in the real world they all would have their doctorate degrees now, but no they had to waste hours reading useless and outdated stuff from the bible some even study this BS to university level, hehehehe Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
BiPolar
@Dzel:
yet we are insecure enough to seek solace in a being that does not exist.
God exists: he is spirit ( the breath of life (air)) - you also have a spirit-being joined to your body - (made in the likeness of God) when you die - that spirit disconnects with your body and returns to the air/spirit realm to God. God/Air penetrates the interspaces of the universe - he is therefore omnipresent.
Your mind: is the devil (God's creation) and thinks it knows too much and prevents you from acknowledging God and His reality. I have come to experience God in another dimension that no one will tell me otherwise. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Bumboklaat
people will you STFU ka religion already? le re tshwarisa boroko le mala man! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
m'zaco'
SWEETYK
dont entertain this man!!!.........i am back
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O ntse o emetse metsi go boiler, via mogodu kikikikikikikikiki motlogele oo don't worry ka yena. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MORNACH!ES011
SWEETYK
MORNACH!ES011
SWEETYK
MORNACH!ES011
Zaco talk to me on the other side .......ka pele mokgotse !
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There is something that I don't understand here?
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Don't worry that boi is all yours ,but tell me ke nnete gore o le extra large ?ke ra
condom sesi
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I don't know wena what do you think?
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Nne ke nagana gore o wa maragoo a magolo ,entlik wena o model woo ke go
ratago kudu blind ....i love u babes ! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Ann
Bumboklaat
@Ann
hey @Bumblokats
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Hey babes! ho jwang? Maezi okae?*worried*
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ke sharp dear, Maezi ba mo reipile o tshwere ke di piles nou Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
somaartakeit
@Shredder
@Dzel - Truth is it is fear of the unknown that keeps people religious, one day we will all found out we were scammed by people who claim a moral authority.
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Let's put it this way Dzel; one day when we DIE will find out the truth. Whether we will disappear poof!! just like that or we will indeed meet the Almighty God :)
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The Muslim boys found out the hard way after blowing themselves to pieces in the premise that they will be rewarded with (is it 17 virgins) in heaven, only to realise that their broken bodies are no use to virgins, I mean really common sense guys, live your life now and live it well cause the only legacy you are leaving behind is the one that your kids should not have to feel ashamed of. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
somaartakeit
Finally if the poor read more literature that is empowering with knowledge to survive in the real world they all would have their doctorate degrees now, but no they had to waste hours reading useless and outdated stuff from the bible some even study this BS to university level, hehehehe
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If we read as vigorously as we read the bible we would be a great nation; instead we want to believe we live passive lives controlled by this great puppet master in control of everything we do. there are 7 billion individuals on earth, do seriously believe this one god listens to every prayer especially where there is a cacophony of noise and people think god is listening to their prayer.
Let me stop, if people want to believe in a non-existent god then it is their indaba I suppose.
@Ann
Bumboklaat
@Ann
hey @Bumblokats
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Hey babes! ho jwang? Maezi okae?*worried*
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ke sharp dear, Maezi ba mo reipile o tshwere ke di piles nou
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kikikikiki! LOL! kwaaaaaaaaakwaaaaaaaa! Hei o mpolaelang mara? so go sharp re ka bolela, ne ke tshaba go re a ka nkitimisa ka lephanga ge ke bolela le wena! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
LESON.1
@m'zaco'
SWEETYK
dont entertain this man!!!.........i am back
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Bonang you want to take over my Monthly responsibilities ? u got guts------morena
wena shame you not going to make it cos you dnt even have a Fridge where you stay - you put all your groceries on top of your waldrope ka swart sak......
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Kikikikikikiki wa tella shame, o kena le kolobe ka kerekeng. O phaphela Mzaco Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
LESON.1
@m'zaco'
SWEETYK
dont entertain this man!!!.........i am back
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O ntse o emetse metsi go boiler, via mogodu kikikikikikikikiki motlogele oo don't worry ka yena.
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Mogodu wa Pudi - shooooo ke ya go tshaba morena - where did you get it ? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
MORNACH!ES011
SWEETYK
MORNACH!ES011
SWEETYK
MORNACH!ES011
Zaco talk to me on the other side .......ka pele mokgotse !
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There is something that I don't understand here?
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Don't worry that boi is all yours ,but tell me ke nnete gore o le extra large ?ke ra
condom sesi
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I don't know wena what do you think?
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Nne ke nagana gore o wa maragoo a magolo ,entlik wena o model woo ke go
ratago kudu blind ....i love u babes !
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Your mind: is the devil (God's creation) and thinks it knows too much and prevents you from acknowledging God and His reality. I have come to experience God in another dimension that no one will tell me otherwise.
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Please share, what happened and why haven't the rest of us been so fortunate.
@Dzel sometimes I want to entertain or I shld say keep an open mind about God's existance,but then I see all these ppl who are supposed to teach us how to behave in a Godly most them full of hate, I made a list most hate crimes are justified using religion, and I am wondering if God does really exist, why has he not sorted out these ppl who are lying killing and hating in his/her name? Cause mina if I were God and I am misrepresented in this way I wld kick @rse already, I also fail to understand that why religious ppl fail to protect their 'brand' (for a lack of a better word) ie religion from the predators like Mboro any many others who are fornicating and stealing and disregarding the 10 commandments, I sometimes feel depressed on behalf of Jesus for all the things his followers are doing on his behalf. Look a the homosexual hate, burning of the witches, sex scandals covered by in church by Roman Catholics, strife in Northern Island (IRA) and all the violent cockups happening around the world in the name of religion, really Jesus Christ must start kicking some butts to curb for soiling his brand, if he expects to be taken serious. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
MORNACH!ES011
@Ann,
How are mi chocolate rice ?....wen are cuming for a hot round of sex ? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Shredder
@somaartakeit - I mean really common sense guys, live your life now and live it well cause the only legacy you are leaving behind is the one that your kids should not have to feel ashamed of.
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But really now. Should my kids be ashamed that I am a Christian? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Bumboklaat
@MORNACH!ES011
@Ann,
How are mi chocolate rice ?....wen are cuming for a hot round of sex ?
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Back off wena le motsila wao nkga snoek! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
BiPolar
@Dzel
If we read as vigorously as we read the bible we would be a great nation; instead we want to believe we live passive lives controlled by this great puppet master in control of everything we do. there are 7 billion individuals on earth, do seriously believe this one god listens to every prayer especially where there is a cacophony of noise and people think god is listening to their prayer.
Let me stop, if people want to believe in a non-existent god then it is their indaba I suppose
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The worlds were created out of God's mouth - the words you speak creates your world and your reality. When you pray: you are programming in the air (God) that gives life to everything that liveth. Wherever you go, people and things will treat you according to what is available in the universal wireless network (and you will attract things that harmonize with what you think and say). Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Naked
Dzel
Its better to believe there is a God out there somewhere than not and then find out there is actually a God!
One other thing, do not ridicule and disrespect other people's choice of belief or lifestyle. You dont believe there is a God,some do. So respect that and live your life according to your own standards.Do not think that you are better than Christians in any way. You are not better than the next person just because you have a "better understanding" of life than that of other people. You cant know everything in life ,acknowledge that in life as human beings we will never see things the same way. Respect! Respect! Respect! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Candyboy
I’ve just seen jesus.......oops...it’s my imagination....sorry to disappoint...!!! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
LESON.1
@m'zaco'
@SWEETYK
You too dn't need any transactions - you too exicted today cos you got paid via shop-rite money market-
You manager just send you both your REF No and Pin..... You'll withdraw ko to the nearest shopping complex gele eya gae.............@m'zaco' dn't forget to buy Sadie roll on.........
@DZEL and what makes you think your reasoning of life is better than other people's? there is no formular to life. Different strokes for different folks!
Dont compare yourself To God,dont redicule GOD whether you believe in Him or Not. You are inviting curses in your life and thtas when you will understand and feel the presence of God who you publicly ridicule as He is one of your friends! Be warned my brother! Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
LESON.1
@m'zaco'
@SWEETYK
You too dn't need any transactions - you too exicted today cos you got paid via shop-rite money market-
You manager just send you both your REF No and Pin..... You'll withdraw ko to the nearest shopping complex gele eya gae.............@m'zaco' dn't forget to buy Sadie roll on.........
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qoqoqoqoqoqpipipipipipipipipipkukukukukukuku where is Galfrend. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Candyboy
@Naked
do you think your "God" is unhappy with your choice of name my snookums....start by respecting yourself and your god....dont be a living example of what we call...let's think....an oxymoron!! Report Abuse
Kikikikikikikiki aaaaaaa swaaaaaa where are you? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
somaartakeit
Come on guys, let us not try to make Dzel feel guilty for having knowledge which he selflessly share with us, Dzel didnt' say anything about his belief/views being superior more than he brought facts to back his position, the other side are relying on the myth and mystery which is baffling us, Dzel well done for presenting your argument in the simplest form thus enabling even those of us who are not science fans to understand your reasoning, you know I don't always agree with you, but in this case you make a solid and strong argument its hard to disagree with the facts you brought to the table, the others side must still bring us facts not allegations and claims which can not be proven, Report Abuse
Hey tsala, long time chomma I'm good and you? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
LESON.1
SWEETYK
@Mzaco
Kikikikikikikiki aaaaaaa swaaaaaa where are you?
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He is facked - he forgot that at shop-rite they need his ID book Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
somaartakeit
@Bamboklaat kindly re-read my post to which you respond, cause then you will realise that no where did I say one's children will be ashamed if their parents were Christians, more than I say we each (instead of believing in myth) need to live our lives now in as cleanest possible way, cause then we wanna leave behind a legacy that will not be shameful for our kids.
For instance if you look at Shiceka we will always remember him as the guy who abused his position to visit one of his many girl friends and drug mule of note in Switzerland prison at tax payers expense, he further took his hookas pookas doctors with him and booked him in a hotel at our expense, its a shameful legacy this, wouldn't you say? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
LESON.1
SWEETYK
@Mzaco
Kikikikikikikiki aaaaaaa swaaaaaa where are you?
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He is facked - he forgot that at shop-rite they need his ID book
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kikikikikikikikiki wa bora weitsi lol o phphela mzaco mara why? Report Abuse
Hey tsala, long time chomma I'm good and you?
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am super as always ma cheesecake....why u luking for zaco's....HUSBY gonna deal with you later, dont luk for trouble mos. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
somaartakeit
sorry Bambo that message was meant for Shredder:-) Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
LESON.1
@somaartakeit
Come on guys, let us not try to make Dzel feel guilty for having knowledge which he selflessly share with us, Dzel didnt' say anything about his belief/views being superior more than he brought facts to back his position, the other side are relying on the myth and mystery which is baffling us, Dzel well done for presenting your argument in the simplest form thus enabling even those of us who are not science fans to understand your reasoning, you know I don't always agree with you, but in this case you make a solid and strong argument its hard to disagree with the facts you brought to the table, the others side must still bring us facts not allegations and claims which can not be proven,
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ha ha ha ha i knew this will come- go ahead make him feel guilty- he talks too much more like------------------------------------------------------------ (an Indian dude reading Tswana news .................... Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Candyboy
@somaartakeit
hello my love....you enthrall me cup cake....*winksing you* Report Abuse
Hey tsala, long time chomma I'm good and you?
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am super as always ma cheesecake....why u luking for zaco's....HUSBY gonna deal with you later, dont luk for trouble mos.
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He ran away from Leson1 or keng tsala ke wena Mzaco. He disappeared the go tlhaga wena. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
somaartakeit
@Lesson1 no I can't make him feel guilty he speaks sense, mine is to investigate validity of his views using the websites he quoted, nje being typical SAn we suffer from (ucabanga ukuba ungcono) yhazi i inferiority complex maar.
@Candyboy hi there gorgeous, did you have a nice one? mine was hectic but am okay now that you've cum in:-) Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
somaartakeit
@Lesson1 no I can't make him feel guilty he speaks sense, mine is to investigate validity of his views using the websites he quoted, nje being typical SAn we suffer from (ucabanga ukuba ungcono) yhazi i inferiority complex maar.
@Candyboy hi there gorgeous, did you have a nice one? mine was hectic but am okay now that you've cum in:-)
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Wa phapha tlogela taba tsa batho marata helelele, Dzel is stressing you neh--- just asking? Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
LESON.1
@SWEETYK
@LESON.1
@SWEETYK
@Mzaco
Kikikikikikikiki aaaaaaa swaaaaaa where are you?
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He is facked - he forgot that at shop-rite they need his ID book
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kikikikikikikikiki wa bora weitsi lol o phphela mzaco mara why?
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go home wena Husby o go reketse mekonotwana Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
SWEETYK
LESON.1
@SWEETYK
@LESON.1
@SWEETYK
@Mzaco
Kikikikikikikiki aaaaaaa swaaaaaa where are you?
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He is facked - he forgot that at shop-rite they need his ID book
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kikikikikikikikiki wa bora weitsi lol o phphela mzaco mara why?
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go home wena Husby o go reketse mekonotwana
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@SweetyK why would Dzel stress me? I am never stressed by other person stating his/her views especially if as in Dzel's case such views are sound and backed up with evidence, truth or knowledge should not be threat SAns please Report Abuse
I'm seriously in awe of you...you are just one of the most complex people I've ever encountered!
I kind of envision you as the cartoon "Megamind" with that big frontal lobe...because of all the knowledge that you spew.
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Hehehehe,
I look normal. I hope.... too much reading and watching documentaries I suppose.
somaartakeit
@SweetyK why would Dzel stress me? I am never stressed by other person stating his/her views especially if as in Dzel's case such views are sound and backed up with evidence, truth or knowledge should not be threat SAns please
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This comment was meant for Leson1 not you love I'm sorry ga ka staita no nono no not you. Report Abuse
The worlds were created out of God's mouth - the words you speak creates your world and your reality.
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No, a bunch of guys sat around the table and decided what is acceptable and what isn't. The bible is doctored my friend up to deciding which scriptures fit the purpose and which to discard.
Naked
@DZEL and what makes you think your reasoning of life is better than other people's? there is no formular to life. Different strokes for different folks!
Dont compare yourself To God,dont redicule GOD whether you believe in Him or Not.
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It is not my reasoning Naked, it is research that has been validated and proven to be true.
Planet Earth was created 4.75 billion years ago; carbon dating of the oldest rocks ever found dates then at 4.2 billion years ago. When did god create earth then?
No probs, employers broadband shuts up kikikikikikikiki until tomorrow enjoy the rest of the hours. More especially tsela tsa bosigo B.J kikikikikiki LOVE U ALL. Report Abuse
Jun 25, 2012
Dzel
SWEETYK
Wa phapha tlogela taba tsa batho marata helelele, Dzel is stressing you neh--- just asking?
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He banna, what does Dzel have to do with anything?
@Dzel sometimes I want to entertain or I shld say keep an open mind about God's existance,but then I see all these ppl who are supposed to teach us how to behave in a Godly most them full of hate, I made a list most hate crimes are justified using religion,
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Once it was generally accepted that the world is fact, one day we will all come to accept that there is no god.
You see when something is not based on fact then it is easy to dispel but even the most skeptical of human being has to accept reality one day.
Most of you empty heads are facing serious identity crisis, you lost souls with no culture, no morals, no values, let people do what they want, those girls do this voluntarily, most of you b*tches lost their viginity at the age of 12 no wonder you envy these young respectful beautiful flowers of our nation. Africans its time you take back what was taken away from you,self respect and identity!!!! Report Abuse
Jun 26, 2012
Bigbooty
@ bipolar ,, did u forget your medication today, u seem to be going bananas, i am repeating my statement we r leaving in a naked world dude, u r just being ignorant u know exactly what i mean.
FBI (female body inspector) is in the house. where are ladies so that i can test their virginity. Report Abuse
Jun 26, 2012
PhantomLimb
You'd swear the Zulu's are the only tribe in the world with some sort of discernable culture. They prance around claiming everything is culture as if culture is exclusive to them. Their king can only be described as a cartoon character (popeye). And what proof can they provide to support their claim that this testing actually prevents teen pregnacy? Abstainance prevents pregancy not testing, can't they focus on teaching those kids to abstain instead of probing them violating their privacy and humanity? This kids are naive and have no idea how this might affect them socially & emotionally in the long run. Disgusting practice!! Report Abuse
Jun 26, 2012
Dzel
Phantom,
And what proof can they provide to support their claim that this testing actually prevents teen pregnacy? Abstainance prevents pregancy not testing, can't they focus on teaching those kids to abstain instead of probing them violating their privacy and humanity?
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I think you need to take a moment, think about the above statement and see if you still think it makes sense after 5 minutes.
Abstinence is the objective, testing is the method to ensure compliance; the two are linked.
virginity testing will never prevent teen pregnancy coz it is one's choice to have sex or not. u can preach abstinence, but not everyone would exercise that. govt has been preaching ABC but still pregnancy rate is still high. this shows that people choose to do what they want to do regardless of knowing the consequences they gonna bear afterwards. this is not disgusting rather cultural practise that promotes and urges young woman to stay pure till marriage. Report Abuse
Jun 26, 2012
PhantomLimb
@Masta-mind & Dzel You guys view it differently and I hear both your arguments. I still think it's not the cleanest practice out there though. I think what it does and I'm talking from experience here is that it makes sex for girls that much more apealing. I grew up in Durban and I went to High School with a few girls who were tested every year, needless to say but they fall off the wagon pretty easily if I can call it that. Report Abuse
Jun 27, 2012
zazezizozuzoooooooooooooooooo
@Dzel
Yes it did lower my self esteem because if I was late from school for 30 minutes to an hour for whatever reason, she would ask me to bring the mat so she could exemine me, she would say this infront of my male siblings, and they would tease me about it. I am the one who was subjected to theh horrible and outdated culture, if it happened to you, and you don't have a problem with it, it's fine. Report Abuse
Jun 27, 2012
zazezizozuzoooooooooooooooooo
I would like to withdraw my words, calling the virgin testers witches, but I don't think those women are really ok upstairs. Report Abuse
Jun 27, 2012
walter4life
I'm not a Zulu but a Venda but i encourage this practice 110%. Tenaage pregancy is leading to school drop-outs which contribute to number of uneducated youth. All the African cultures must follow suite. We don't have 2 only embrass the White innitiatives but also good black innitiatives. It'll reduce the level of AIDS also. Report Abuse
Jun 27, 2012
walter4life
These kids want to be found pure when getting tested so by so doing they abstain from sex & that leads to low tenaage pregnancy & STIs. Report Abuse
Jun 28, 2012
FUNNYBWOY
DJWINNER OR DJLOSER! HEY ZULU BWOY. SOTHOS AND XHOSAS DID NOT WRITTE THE ARTICLE. ALL BATHO BA BOROA HAVE TRADITIONS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO EACH OTHER.
THE PROBLEM WITH KWA-ZULU AND WHY PEOPLE TEASE ZULU'S ITS BECAUSE YOU ARE
TOO SENSITIVE AND MOST OF THE TIME YOU CANT HAVE A CIVIL DEBATE WITHOUT GETTING ANGRY. OK! GREAT KING BROUGHT BACK THE TRADITION, THEY SAME KING WHO BOUGHT A CIRCUMCITION TOOL FROM SINGAPORE FOR 1MILLION?. THE KING SHOULD BE CONCENTRATING ON EDUCATION AND DIALOGUE. HOW CAN THEY TELL IF A GIRL IS A VIRGIN? I JUST WANNT TO KNOW IF THE FONDLLERS KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BASIC BIOLOGY?. ANYWAYS ONLY 20 GIRLZ WENT, I BET THE REST A SMART ENOUGH NOT TO HAVE SOME OLD LADY STICK FINGERS WHERE THEY ARE NOT SIPPOSED TO. WHAT DOES PROVING A GIRL IS A VIRGIN DO?(SEXISM). AS FOR ME I WANT A GIRL WHO IS LOYAL, EDUCATED. KWAZULU HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST RATES OF HIV INFECTIONS, TEENAGE PRAGNANCY, VIOLANCE, TAXI VIOLENCE. MAYBE IF THE KING CONCENTRATED ON EMPROVING BASIC ISSUES. YEBO! YEBO! Report Abuse
Jun 29, 2012
BushBaby
Back of Vele... Big up on our culture.... Alcohol is the culprit not African Culture. Alcohol brings in 19 Billion per annum in SA but Costs our Government more than 40 Billion Rands... This money goes out in the form ARVz, Hospitalisation Costs, Deaths leaving orphans den social grants Road accident Funds, etc.Addiction to alcohol leads to more drugs addiction den crime in form of rape, break ins, violence, murder.etc costing our gov... Maintenance f prisons. The most department is Dept of Health n SoC Dev n SAPS. Back of our pride n propose heavier sentences for drunken driving, addictive substance abuse n trading, fraud, rape, murder etc.. Report Abuse
Jun 29, 2012
jackees
I'd like to see virginity testing for men. Sad to see brainwashed women who've bought into being commodities for men to decide their worth. Report Abuse
Jul 4, 2012
shaharazad
@DJWinner
You really do need help, and worst case scenario, you could be knocking on the door of paedophilia. I should have a word with your wife/girlfriend Report Abuse
Jul 5, 2012
MyPot
Zulus Zulus, this people are very strange...., they dont even circumcise, girls Go 4 KZN guys if u willing to commit suicide through HIV Report Abuse
Jul 5, 2012
MyPot
zazezizozuzoooooooooooooooooo
I would like to withdraw my words, calling the virgin testers witches, but I don't think those women are really ok upstairs.
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Thapzen
and this doesn't stop Aids...Report Abuse
Pointman
So is it working? KZN has one of the highest school pregnancy rates in the country. If they find a girl is no longer a virgin, do they also go after the boy or man she had sex with. Anyway as long as girls are not coerced to participate it is an extreme way of preventing HIV infections.Report Abuse
hulas
Abuse at its best! another opportunity for zulu king to take a little girl as his wife at the expense of taxpayer...Report Abuse
lindsay
damn i could be a virgin too my boobs are better way better than these secondary virginsReport Abuse
KILLERa1111
I dont understand why wld SOWETAN run a ing on poll about virginity test SOTHOS, VENDAZ, PEDIS and so forth coz it not their culture...we know what the response gona be...Can you ask uMzulu wether he like Masonja or wld he wear a a traditiional blanket in a 40 degree hot weather.I think it time for SOWETAN readers to boycot sowetan newspapaer because they are dividing us as SA tribes...
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KILLERa1111
I dont understand why wld SOWETAN run a poll about virginity test asking SOTHOS, VENDAZ, PEDIS and so forth coz it not their culture...we know what the response gona be...Wld you ask uMzulu wether he like Masonja or wld he wear a traditiional blanket in a 40 degree hot weather.I think it time for SOWETAN readers to boycot sowetan newspapaer because they are dividing us as SA tribes...
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DJWinner
Damn! If I can only get 2 to come and spend a week or 2 here in Pretoria with me. Look at those tits, damn!I wonder if one can still get a virgin Xhosa or Sotho decent woman like this.
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lindsay
@Djwinneryou are so gullible you really think these are virgins with boobs like those wow i close my case
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lindsay@Djwinner
you are so gullible you really think these are virgins with boobs like those wow i close my case
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Well, those are natural boobs. I think you are now used to seeing fake boobs, hence boobs of these virgins look ugly to you.
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MGEEZ
This is a good practice worthy to be encouraged for all tribes in this country!!!!Report Abuse
MicaParis
Waist of time!! the only virgins that you can get nowadays are only children who are 10 years old otherwise there is nothing called a virgin! With internet pornography and explicit adverts on our TV even for useless things like advertising soaps and alcohol pornographic adverts take the lead and are loved more by our children. We must stop the lousy thinking of believing that circumcision and virginity testing stop AIDS that is not true is false there is nothing like that. It might be a certain culture to undergo virginity tests but is futile and a waste of time better tell the kids to read their books rather wasting their time to study.Report Abuse
zazezizozuzoooooooooooooooooo
I hate the culture with passion. I was put through it by my mom. It humiliates, belittles, and disrespective. They are called private parts because they are private. As soon as the child is able to bath and dress herself, nobody should be touching or checking her private parts. It is a tradition that say black women cannot be trusted, why is it not enough to say "I'm virgin". This really lowered my self esteem, and it I had powers I would campaign agains it. Those evil women who look at all those vaginas are witches!!!!!Report Abuse
eKapa
There is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born babyReport Abuse
Hail
Abuse at its best! practise what you preach, the inspectors are expect in the field and they can sleep whenever. That does not prevent aids, what does statistics say? Can you imagine the poor kids spreading their legs for someone to look under there for the certificate that she cannot use anywhere. hahahahahah! the question is why did not do it on the right side? Who is sleeping with the so call not virgin. Other culture really?Report Abuse
Mothata
lol. Virginity inspectorReport Abuse
DJWinner
eKapaThere is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born baby
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Well, obviously you never been to KZN. In my home area for example, there is a 25 years woman who is still a virgin.
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Dikmol
Bravo, Bravoo! Down with cluueless coconut ministers and other coconuts who knows nothing about our culture except to criticize without understanding. Phambili with voluntary virginity testing....down with coconts. They must just shut up and go home.Report Abuse
Hail
@zazezizuzooooooooooooo thank you! Private parts are private. They must leave the poor gals alone! I wonder those women who are called inspector they did not get tired of looking @ the gal 's private parts? They tired of looking @ theirs.Report Abuse
xolilanga
I think there should be more to this than just testing, song and dancing. Teach girls about their worth otherwise its a great tradition but it should evolve in order to really address sex related problems.Report Abuse
Aristotle
Another FINGERING contest....mxm...as for qualified virgin inspectors? Aowa banna, what makes a person to be called that other than poking it and hear the girl being uncomfortable....A girl can be a virgin without being subjected to this parade for perverted old men.Report Abuse
MGEEZ
@MicaParisYou are saying that being a virgin will not reduce HIV aids; you also mention internet po.r.n.o.graphy and explicit TV adverts and in the same breadth you discourage virginity testing? Do you know any virgin (apart from drug users who inject themselves with needles) who was infected by HIV? How about the pornography lover who today is HIV infected just out from their love of po.no.g.raphy? I am not an advocate of por.n.o.grapgy of any sort; however ha ving read you previous post in this matter I am left with a question: Do you you know what por.n.o.graphy is?
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Flemza
I like this tribe I wish if every Mzansi was like this tribe , virginity and poligamy what a mix , definately u will never get AIDS if this is put in our Autocratic constitution , it gives you something to think about Well done Zulu people keep on educating Mzansi the importance of cultureReport Abuse
eKapa
DJWinnereKapa
There is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born baby
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Well, obviously you never been to KZN. In my home area for example, there is a 25 years woman who is still a virgin
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how do you know she is still a virgin?
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ANC councillor Nondumiso Ndlovu said: "It's our culture ... this is one of the cultures that need to be preserved otherwise we will continue having illegal abortions and unplanned pregnancies, straining government child support grants`````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
It is a pity that government officials are busy encouraging legal abortions(which is uncultured) but enforcing culture. The pregnancy of Jesus Christ was unplanned(by human being),hence Joseph overreacted and fled the scene. However today we have people with big mouth to our kids are results of unplanned pregnancy. Is the pregnancy of factionalism within ANC body planned?If not ANC should shut up and listen
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LBS
@zazezizozuzooooooooooooooooooI hate the culture with passion. I was put through it by my mom. It humiliates, belittles, and disrespective. They are called private parts because they are private. As soon as the child is able to bath and dress herself, nobody should be touching or checking her private parts. It is a tradition that say black women cannot be trusted, why is it not enough to say "I'm virgin". This really lowered my self esteem, and it I had powers I would campaign agains it. Those evil women who look at all those vaginas are witches!!!!!
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I think you, as a person who has been subjected to this ABUSE sum things up very well!
Having some old crone fingering a helpless unwilling participant is unacceptable!!
It is a GROSS violation of the female child and her dignity just to satisfy "perverted old men" as Aristotle so rightly says.
It is time to decide whether 'culture' of this sort fits into the modern world, or if the bling and luxury the western world brings, and which is soundly embraced, is the way to go.
Surely you can't be selective and have both as they don't sit together well.
From the pictures shown I guess being a virgin is a long distant memory for the majority .....
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Ubufebe
EIsh maan, I am a virginity tester as well, but once I test them they are virgins no more hahahahaReport Abuse
DJWinner
I wonder why do people always look down at our cultures?We don't question Xhosas for cutting foreskin_. We don't question Sothos for eating cats and masonja, but people always question things that we do.
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Makhosini0408
Morning ALLI do not have a problem, if the girls consent to this practice. But @zazezizozuzoooooooooooooooooo's input gives a fresh argument to the debate. My question is why must they be paraded to men? Secondly, why is the journey from boys to men done in private and surrounded by a lot of secrecy, while the girls' one is for all to see? Just thinking out loud.
It is good for girls to keep their viginity but why are we not doing the same with boys?
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DJWinner
eKapaDJWinner
eKapa
There is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born baby
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Well, obviously you never been to KZN. In my home area for example, there is a 25 years woman who is still a virgin
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how do you know she is still a virgin?
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Well, she is still a virgin according to results from testers.
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TheGenius
DJWinner,Where is your area, wena wakithi?
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On those who claim that there are no more virgins left, I say this is certainly not true! My first wife is 32, I met her ar 19 and she had never been touched. Thankfully, the Lord is with me, my second one again uNomafu, I met her in 2010, aged 22 and she was as pure. For the record when I met her she was from studying at Tuks and all the way from Greytown. She is doing her final year and can happily confirm that she is no longer a virgin. I just spoke to here an hour ago.
But on the same breath, virginity testing cannot be said to be the only weapon for girls to remain pure. My Nomafu tells me she has never been tested even once, in fact, I was the one who tested her.
But on the other side, my eldest wife from Kwa-A Olundi olumahlikihlikana originally from KwesaKwaMthethwa eMpangeni has been tested many times before as she was a regular at Reeds dance - Well sadly for her, I literally stopped all the testing when I gave her the biggest test of them all...
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mathopeed
I personally see no problem with this. Every ethnic group have their way of doing things and we cant criticise nor ridicule them. We (Pedi's, Xhosa's, Venda's, Tsonga's) go to the mountain for initiation schools which we think is good practice. So lets Zulu's practice what they believe is perfect for their wellbeing of their children.Report Abuse
DJWinner
Well, if boys go for circumcission, are their penises not private parts? So according to you people, it's only vaginas that are private.Report Abuse
eKapa
DJWinnereKapa
DJWinner
eKapa
There is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born baby
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Well, obviously you never been to KZN. In my home area for example, there is a 25 years woman who is still a virgin
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how do you know she is still a virgin?
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Well, she is still a virgin according to results from testers
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oh, i was thinking u are the testers, do you know abt the bribe
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DJWinner
TheGeniusDJWinner,
Where is your area, wena wakithi?
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Kwa Mhlabuyalingana.
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khulabekhona
@ZAZEZIZOOOOOOOOOO"Those evil women who look at all those vaginas are witches!!!"
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YOU MEAN EVEN GYNAECOLOGISTS ARE WITCHES? BECAUSE LOOK AT A LOT OF VAGINAS
ungazami ukuzeza umlungu uma kuwukuthi ungumuntu omnyama, ngisho noma ungazibleach njengo Mshoza ngeke kodwa uze ube umlungu. nihlupha kabi nina balungu abamnyama
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Ubufebe
@TheGeniusWhy do you need virgins when it is plain to see that you KZN okes are f.ucking them like rabbits hehehehe. It is a wonder there are still virgins in KZN with JZ running around!
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Spekepeke
eKapaDJWinner
eKapa
DJWinner
eKapa
There is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born baby
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Well, obviously you never been to KZN. In my home area for example, there is a 25 years woman who is still a virgin
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how do you know she is still a virgin?
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Well, she is still a virgin according to results from testers
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oh, i was thinking u are the testers, do you know abt the bribe
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yebo skhokho sam' there is a bribe tell him
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MGEEZ
@DJWinnerI wonder why do people always look down at our cultures?
We don't question Xhosas for cutting foreskin_. We don't question Sothos for eating cats and masonja, but people always question things that we do.
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You have a very short memory!!! it was only last week that the Xhosa tradition was questioned (even though the article of Sowetan was about boys who were circumcised in Limpopo). In any case; your questions does not solve anything; instead they serve the very divisive purpose the authors of this story uphold.There is nothing wrong with the virgin inspection, regardless of who is pactising it; it promotes morality and teaches children and youth that there is more to life than sex and that they do not have to sleep with anyone in the name of love; because indeed love is not about sexual l.u.st. Defend the tradition if you believe in it, period, i do!!!!
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ThrippleGee
hahahahahaha Virgins SO WHAT???Report Abuse
Traveljunie
hahahaha what a backward archaic ritual. In 2012 and girls let themselves be treated like slaves.Report Abuse
DJWinner
eKapaDJWinner
eKapa
DJWinner
eKapa
There is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born baby
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Well, obviously you never been to KZN. In my home area for example, there is a 25 years woman who is still a virgin
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how do you know she is still a virgin?
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Well, she is still a virgin according to results from testers
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oh, i was thinking u are the testers, do you know abt the bribe
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She can't be bribing everytime she goes for a test. She would lose a lot of money then....
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Traveljunie
mathopeedI personally see no problem with this. Every ethnic group have their way of doing things and we cant criticise nor ridicule them. We (Pedi's, Xhosa's, Venda's, Tsonga's) go to the mountain for initiation schools which we think is good practice. So lets Zulu's practice what they believe is perfect for their wellbeing of their children
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Yes but progressive societies relook at their ways ever now and then. There is nothing wrong with leaving behind Jurrasic park type believes. We live in a new era and such acts are out of date and not beneficial for woman or the society
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MGEEZ@DJWinner
I wonder why do people always look down at our cultures?
We don't question Xhosas for cutting foreskin_. We don't question Sothos for eating cats and masonja, but people always question things that we do.
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You have a very short memory!!! it was only last week that the Xhosa tradition was questioned (even though the article of Sowetan was about boys who were circumcised in Limpopo). In any case; your questions does not solve anything; instead they serve the very divisive purpose the authors of this story uphold.There is nothing wrong with the virgin inspection, regardless of who is pactising it; it promotes morality and teaches children and youth that there is more to life than sex and that they do not have to sleep with anyone in the name of love; because indeed love is not about sexual l.u.st. Defend the tradition if you believe in it, period, i do!!!!
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Who critised it? Infact, people were using it against us, saying that Zulus must now starting to go for circumcission.
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Shredder
"Actually, they must show us one maiden who complains about it - or come to us and ask how we feel ... and we will tell them that they must back-off.=========================================================================
I was reading about the dudes painted in red last week and one white man asked when that ancient tradition is going to be get rid off.
I applaud you Mbali Ngcobo, let them back off. Even those guys who think being a 21 year old virgin is being stupid, tell them also to back off. Yo are still maintaining your pride as a virgin and nobody can say how he made sweat and scream. Thumbs up to you girls.
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ThrippleGee
What instrument are they using to test VIRGINITY in the RURAL KZN, i bet they are using fingers lol......After they get a Certificate damn.Report Abuse
MORNACH!ES011
So they are doing this ,so that Makanda Zoomeer can have a fresh pun.ani ne ?Report Abuse
mathopeed
@Traveljuniemathopeed
I personally see no problem with this. Every ethnic group have their way of doing things and we cant criticise nor ridicule them. We (Pedi's, Xhosa's, Venda's, Tsonga's) go to the mountain for initiation schools which we think is good practice. So lets Zulu's practice what they believe is perfect for their wellbeing of their children
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Yes but progressive societies relook at their ways ever now and then. There is nothing wrong with leaving behind Jurrasic park type believes. We live in a new era and such acts are out of date and not beneficial for woman or the society
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Nah you wrong bra, dont come here with your western tendency by saying "Out of date". So you of the believe that initiation schools are also outdated? If you dont believe, doesnt mean it doesnt exists my bra. This culture were there before you were born and you expect our people to ignore them now. You must be joking bra
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Shredder
@Thapzen - and this doesn't stop Aids...==================================================================
So what? It still maintains their pride.
I shake my head in amazement. When kids have kids people cry foul. When kids abstain from s3x people like bo lindsay criticize their boobs and say they are not virgins. Some of you ladies have seen and tasted in your mouths and got pumped by all different kinds of sizes and shapes. Let the kids do the right thing.
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MORNACH!ES011
Hey people don't think like a lizards kikikikikikiki ,this realy made mi day ....Nevus kikikikiReport Abuse
eKapa
DJWinnereKapa
DJWinner
eKapa
DJWinner
eKapa
There is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born baby
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Well, obviously you never been to KZN. In my home area for example, there is a 25 years woman who is still a virgin
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how do you know she is still a virgin?
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Well, she is still a virgin according to results from testers
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oh, i was thinking u are the testers, do you know abt the bribe
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She can't be bribing everytime she goes for a test. She would lose a lot of money then
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everytime??
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DJWinner
MissBhakajuju@DJWinner
you seem to have a personal ven.deta. against X.h.o.sa. people not that I care though, I don't have time 4 b.it.ter m.e.n
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I don't know what you are talking about, I like Xhosas. You are one of my friends in this site and you are a Xhosa. What I don't like is when people constantly criticise our cultures. People criticise everything that has to do with Zulus.
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Shredder
@Traveljunie - hahahaha what a backward archaic ritual. In 2012 and girls let themselves be treated like slaves.=========================================================================
Dit is ons tradiesie. Back off.
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Mbongo
This is our culture as Africans, if you don't practise it please just don't critisize it. Back off.Report Abuse
Shredder
@mathopeed - Let that guy alone, plus he has some racist tendency and like to say people talk k@k.Report Abuse
IamTheFinalSay
so, how does one become a so called "qualified virgin inspector"??? and uhmm!!! wena Mbali Ncobo, ke go beile bumper!!!!Report Abuse
Naked
Good practice indeed. But why test only girls? The test must be done to both girls and boys like in my church where its done every August to girls and boys from the age of 13 until they get married.Report Abuse
Prade101
''Nunu Ngcobo, a well-known virginity inspector, said not a single child was forced to participate''''She said they were very understanding and when they find out that a girl is no longer a virgin, they call her mother and inform her of what they have found.''
Can anyone tell me, why would any girl volutarily participate in the test, knowing fully that she's no longer a virgin and that she would be exposed, at least to her parent? I don't believe there is anything voluntary here, either peer or parental pressure is involved.
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Dzel
Why are we complaining about a tradition that seeks to promote virtues?Whether we have high incidents of HIV / AIDS or not is not the point; the point is one cannot get HIV if they are sexually inactive. In a country with high incidents of teenage pregnancies, sugar daddies and teachers routinely sleeping with school kids this practice teaches morality and responsible sexual conduct so why would anyone have a problem with it?
Given high incidents of incest and child molestation this is an opportunity to discourage older family members from abusing their relatives given a higher probability of being caught. We either chose practises like these or we accept a life where girls have been there and done that at an early age uthole umuntu sekakhathele at age 17.
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Traveljunie
Shredder@Traveljunie - hahahaha what a backward archaic ritual. In 2012 and girls let themselves be treated like slaves.
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Dit is ons tradiesie. Back off.
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Killing witches was also a tradition and a culture. But human kind have moved on from that barbaric rituals. The same here, show you area progressive society and lift yourself out of this archaic nonsense. It is degrading to woman and show you up as masochist womanizers
Is raping a virgin also part of your culture so that you do not get HIV?
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eKapa
NakedGood practice indeed. But why test only girls? The test must be done to both girls and boys like in my church where its done every August to girls and boys from the age of 13 until they get married
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how do they Test the Boys?
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LBS
@NakedGood practice indeed. But why test only girls? The test must be done to both girls and boys like in my church where its done every August to girls and boys from the age of 13 until they get married.
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I have to ask this - HOW do you test boys for virginity?
Even testing girls is NOT conclusive because the hymen can be broken in sporting activities as an example.
Rather teach the children to value themselves and their bodies.
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1TOUCH
NakedHow is the test done ? please tell us especially on boys
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Mas-culin
I don't see anything wrong with this practice since it is done voluntarily not being forced. It is not good for a man to marry a woman who has a long list of men on her record more especially since there is a killer disease... vice verse.@Naked
How is this test done to boys?
masculinnkosi@gmail.com
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Dzel
zazezizozuzoooooooooooooooooo,I hate the culture with passion. I was put through it by my mom. It humiliates, belittles, and disrespective. They are called private parts because they are private. As soon as the child is able to bath and dress herself, nobody should be touching or checking her private parts. It is a tradition that say black women cannot be trusted, why is it not enough to say "I'm virgin". This really lowered my self esteem,
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Being checked if you are a virgin lowered your self-esteem, how so?
Surely if you knew you went one already you could have avoided the embarrassment by telling your mother the truth, it is your body after all. I don't see how ones self-esteem could be lowered if you knew you were still a virgin, if anything you probably would be proud.
Consider that many go there willingly so campaigning against the practice denies everyone the opportunity, not just yourself.
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Sompisi
@TheGenius - Halala wakithi you really blessed.Mina ngithi okwethu!!, ngokwethu!!! halalalalala zintokazi, nina enimathanga ambaxambeshe enilugamfu okhalweni..........
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pervert
this once are not as good looking as the once from pietretiefReport Abuse
Shredder
Traveljunie - Killing witches was also a tradition and a culture. It is degrading to woman and show you up as masochist womanizers=====================================================================
What good is there in killing ou Junie?
Why do you say it is degrading? They don't feel degraded. It is like people saying why do muslims have to cover themselves, it is woman abuse. Those women say no one forces them to join islam and they are not abused. Even these kids no one compels them to test for virginity. Who are you to tell them that it is degrading them?
Why do people always have to criticise a tradion and culture that they don't agree with. If people feel it is ok for them to practice it, so be it. It has nothing to do with us. Who are we to judge?
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Shredder
@Naked - How do you test a male for virginity?Report Abuse
DJWinner
NakedGood practice indeed. But why test only girls? The test must be done to both girls and boys like in my church where its done every August to girls and boys from the age of 13 until they get married.
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Boys do get tested in other areas.
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Naked
Im also not sure how the boys get tested as the process is very secretive. All I know is that every August we get some boys and girls who pass and some who fail the test. There is a team assigned to do the testing and it costists of only the elderly who are 75 and more years of age.When you pass,you are given a red belt that you have to wear in every church service symbolising your purity. When you fail, you are no longer allowed to paticipate in any of the youth activities as you are now considered to be an adult.
The youth in our church are encouraged to date within the church. that makes virgins to get married to virgins.
If you dont believe me find a curch called GUTA RA MWARI in Dobsonville in Soweto.Women wear white uniforms while men put on khakhi uniforms.Thats all im saying.
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mathopeed
How do you tests boys? please can you clarify us on thatReport Abuse
eKapa
@Nakeddid u jst decide to be the fisrt person who lies on this Monday? nogal u lie abt the Church..jeerr
wena you Not a virgin.
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DJWinner
Shredder@Naked - How do you test a male for virginity?
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They look at a pee. Vargin's pee come out in smooth organised fashion. It doesn't sprinkle all over the place.
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Mas-culin
Only uncircumcised peni_s sprinkle all over the place...masculinnkosi@gmail.com
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Shredder
@Naked - The youth in our church are encouraged to date within the church. that makes virgins to get married to virgins.=========================================================================
Actually, I believe that is how it is supposed to be like. Why do men always want virgins while they are not virgins themselves? It is like men who have a child out of wedlock and want to get married to a woman who does not have a baby or a woman who has a baby and expect another man to father that baby.
"GUTA RA MWARI in Dobsonville"
Never heard of it. Where in Dobsonville?
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Tango
I have never had a virgin before(only had ready mades) even now i stiil looking for one but it very difficult especially here in SowetoReport Abuse
Dzel
NakedWhen you pass,you are given a red belt that you have to wear in every church service symbolising your purity. When you fail, you are no longer allowed to paticipate in any of the youth activities as you are now considered to be an adult.
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1. It is physically impossible to test for virginity in males,
2. Public persecution is what defiles the process of testing. You can’t vilify those who are no longer virgins in public as it remains a personal choice, by publicly ostracising them you are defeating the purpose and add to resentment. Abstinence is supposed to be a function of pride, not fear of humiliation.
Which church is this if you don’t mind me asking.
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LBS
@NakedIm also not sure how the boys get tested as the process is very secretive. All I know is that every August we get some boys and girls who pass and some who fail the test. There is a team assigned to do the testing and it costists of only the elderly who are 75 and more years of age.
When you pass,you are given a red belt that you have to wear in every church service symbolising your purity. When you fail, you are no longer allowed to paticipate in any of the youth activities as you are now considered to be an adult.
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And what happens if they (testers) get it wrong?
Then a non-virgin can get thered belt while a virgin is possibly denied one!
The virgin is then treated unfaily with great cost to their self esteem. Sad really....
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DJWinnerShredder
@Naked - How do you test a male for virginity?
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They look at a pee. Vargin's pee come out in smooth organised fashion. It doesn't sprinkle all over the place.
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LOL. No ways. Do you want to tell me that a young boy who had s3x 10 times let alone once will have his pee sprinkling all over the place. Sorry, I will have to disagree on that one.
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eKapa
i was lucky to brke 2 virgins in my life. but that was looooong ago i wont get it anymore that i know"they way kungakhona"
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www.insurance-direct.co.za
This is great practice. I will be visiting KZN soon to get myself a proper wifeReport Abuse
somaartakeit
this is a zulu version of isitswetla on pic 2 the king is enjoying it so much. only 200 virgins? is that all that's left after massive rapes of young girls by men to cur themlves of aids?Report Abuse
MGEEZ
As I have said before; the tradition is to be encouraged as long as it is done voluntarily and no one person is forced to do it against their will. It's wonderful!!!Report Abuse
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Shredder
@Naked - How do you test a male for virginity?
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They look at a pee. Vargin's pee come out in smooth organised fashion. It doesn't sprinkle all over the place.
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LOL. No ways. Do you want to tell me that a young boy who had s3x 10 times let alone once will have his pee sprinkling all over the place. Sorry, I will have to disagree on that one.
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Well, it is not my idea. Testers use this method. I'm sure they done a bit of a research before implementing it.
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MissBhakajuju
@somaartakeithi beautiful queen, its also very funny that most teenage pragnancies, HIV rate is on that province.
next year 50 of them wont be v.i.r.gins anymore, due to their ho.rn.y master zwelithini & other KZN pervets like showara, so I don't understand what is the hype about this ?
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Dzel
NakedThe youth in our church are encouraged to date within the church. that makes virgins to get married to virgins.
If you dont believe me find a curch called GUTA RA MWARI in Dobsonville in Soweto.Women wear white uniforms while men put on khakhi uniforms.Thats all im saying.
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How did you end up in a Zimba.bwean church?
GUTA RA MWARI .... enough said.
I wo.nder i.f these fri.nge chu.rches appreciate the amount of dam.age they inf.lict on their wors.hippers. Take Watc.htowers for example, you really have to be de.nse to stand oppo.sed to blo.od transfu.sions, sometimes nga.thi you can sla.p the mother sil.ly for refusing one when a child is facing cer.tain de.ath.
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TangoI have never had a virgin before(only had ready mades) even now i stiil looking for one but it very difficult especially here in Soweto
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Theres is nothing in Soweto. Believe me, I searched, there is nothig there. Serching of a virgin in Soweto is like serching in Pretoria central and Sunnyside. Nigerians have done serious demages here. I have to go to KZN for a decent sex.
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DJWinner
@MissBhakajuju...Look at you now. The next thing, you will whine that people hate_ Xhosas.Report Abuse
mamfundisi
Why kids younger than the age of 15, must go for checking,?sex before marriage is not allowed, no one must boast bcz she is a virgin, that is something that is expected to the girl or lady who is not married to be the virgin until she get married. im not impressed when someone is boasting about umhlanga, it need a person to have self control and know what is expected from her. what if those practice of testing them can be stopped?it means there will be no virgins.Report Abuse
MORNACH!ES011
They are just grooming this girls for Makanda Zooomerrrr finish and klaar !Report Abuse
Lehido
I justhate this h0ney old farts who purv al over this innocent kids all in the name of culture....Shame on Zwelithini and his friends,,,sies maan!Report Abuse
BlackLion
Aren’t any better ways to teach them? Some elders are dictators and I still fail to understand why they feel so much authorized to impose on the young ones.Maybe these parents should stop treating their children like slaves or employees, that’s neither parenting nor guardianship.
It’s really silly to practice a culture just because of identity or wanting to belong. Some of these practices were started by greedy elders in the past and I still don’t understand why they are followed so religiously.
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MissBhakajuju
@DJWinnerhahahahahah, you're such an emotional person hey ? Shawara is not 'zulus' rather a zulu person, and I've never generalised in any of my comments, I only a.t.ta.ck people as individuals, and according to their ill m.a.n.ne.rs, not as a bunch of tribe.
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LESON.1
What's the use of testing them- they will lose thier V1rginity anyway - (what a waste)
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Naked
@DZEL - Are Zimbabweans not people? and we all have the right of choice dont we? The church is in Mafkeng,Durban,Capetown,Zambia,Malawi etc.Respect other people's choices.@LBS, I will have to agree with you,when one fails the test,their self esteem takes a kock down.
@eKapa,just google if you dont believe me
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Mokwepa
All Ladies,you are all jelas because u Gautans are all soccer city. finish and klaar
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ntshontle
this pensioners ain't virgins!!Report Abuse
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DJWinnerTango
I have never had a virgin before(only had ready mades) even now i stiil looking for one but it very difficult especially here in Soweto
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Theres is nothing in Soweto. Believe me, I searched, there is nothig there. Serching of a virgin in Soweto is like serching in Pretoria central and Sunnyside. Nigerians have done serious demages here. I have to go to KZN for a decent sex.
spot on
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DjEp
... and what happens after testing...? they will become abomagosha anyway eOxford and Heysterk streets....Report Abuse
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MissBhakajuju@DJWinner
hahahahahah, you're such an emotional person hey ? Shawara is not 'zulus' rather a zulu person, and I've never generalised in any of my comments, I only a.t.ta.ck people as individuals, and according to their ill m.a.n.ne.rs, not as a bunch of tribe.
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ha ha ha...you are just saying. Wena, you let me to have sex with because I'm a Zulu.
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2nevvy4u
MokwepaAll Ladies,
you are all jelas because u Gautans are all soccer city. finish and klaar
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kikikikikikikiki careful o tla jewa ka mapara.
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Naked
@TangoI have never had a virgin before(only had ready mades) even now i stiil looking for one but it very difficult especially here in Soweto
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Go to a church opposite Hecter Peterson primary school. I gurantee you my brother you will have a pure w ife,a well groomed one who knows how to respect her body and her man,who understands the importance of family and who knows and understands the role of a man in the house.She will treat you like a king.Not what see these days.
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Dzel
Naked@DZEL - Are Zimbabweans not people? and we all have the right of choice dont we? The church is in Mafkeng,Durban,Capetown,Zambia,Malawi etc.Respect other people's choices
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I am just surprised that the church is Zimbabwean that's all.
I don't have a problem with Zimbabweans what I do have a problem with is when these churches start pushing backward agenda that do nothing to improve the lives of its congregation.
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somaartakeit
@MissBhakajuju hi there gorgeous:-) these ppl I think they need someone to show them new hobbies and ways to make their lives meaningful rather than dancing isitswetla for the king, poor ole man he must horny like hell, cause that's all he does, him and zuma the horny-rabbles whose perverted existence is funded by of SA tax payers. We've been suckered,Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Dzel, don't worry about Zim church cause all churches are a big business, wena open yours and I will be your accountant, lolReport Abuse
Makhosini0408
We have a lot of stereotypical behaviors that we need to change in order to approach such issues. We still emphasise judging by all those looking to marry virgins, believe that some girls need to abstain or preserve themselves while some of us are busy test driving others? How sad and chauvitistic!We still want to impose our masculinety by deciding what is right for this poor girls? Do not get me wrong, but why must their be paraded to men and can't this "precious" tradition be treated in secrecy as the right of passage by young boys?
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MissBhakajuju
@DJWinnerha ha ha...you are just saying. Wena, you let me to have sex with because I'm a Zulu.
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no thanx DJWinner, anyone but not You, I'll let it pass.
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SeshegoGuY
Virginity Inspector?????? He Banna!!!KZN Universities have got wider options for studying hey...
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FreeSpeech
In our modern society is no space for parasites like Kings & Queens. They don't add any value to our economy and should be outlawed.Report Abuse
TigerM
This test is not accurate as it only focuses on vaginal sex, what about anal & oral sex, I once heard that young girls in this area are active in these latter activities and abstaining from vaginal penetrative sex, meaning they not really abstaining and technically are not virgins.Report Abuse
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THAT SMILLE FROM THE KING IS LOOKING FOR ANOTHER ONEReport Abuse
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MissBhakajuju@DJWinner
ha ha ha...you are just saying. Wena, you let me to have sex with because I'm a Zulu.
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no thanx DJWinner, anyone but not You, I'll let it pass.
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Typing error, I mean: Wena, you won't let me to have sex with because I'm a Zulu.
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@ALLGood Morning
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MOTHUBANNYO
She said they were very understanding and when they find out that a girl is no longer a virgin, they call her mother and inform her of what they have found."But this remains confidential between myself, the child and her mother."
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But then why would the girl attend the test knowing very well that they are no longer a virgin ?
Sounds very stupid to me, that's all
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MissBhakajuju
DJWinnerTyping error, I mean: Wena, you won't let me to have sex with because I'm a Zulu.
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not that you're zulu, but I just don't like you, or maybe anymore !!!!
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Dzel
somaartakeit,@Dzel, don't worry about Zim church cause all churches are a big business, wena open yours and I will be your accountant, lol
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Maybe we should hey, why use a gun to rob people when you can just as much flash a bible and see them hand over 10% of their salary willingly. Like Sophie Ndaba's husband I'll claim to have gotten my qualifications from a parking lot.
Then you hear umuntu wakhona tell you how enlightened they are when they haven't the slightest idea how earth was really created. Sad thing is the truth is out there for all of us to learn about but it seems the bible is the only thing we read as black people at the expense of the vast body of knowledge that is out there.
There is no excuse for ignorance yet many are blissfully ignorant, I can't understand abantu sometimes. I would much rather believe in my ancestors, at least I know they were once real people, not some man's creation.
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DzelNaked
@DZEL - Are Zimbabweans not people? and we all have the right of choice dont we? The church is in Mafkeng,Durban,Capetown,Zambia,Malawi etc.Respect other people's choices
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I am just surprised that the church is Zimbabwean that's all.
I don't have a problem with Zimbabweans what I do have a problem with is when these churches start pushing backward agenda that do nothing to improve the lives of its congregation.
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Im not sure what you mean by "nothing to ipmrove the lives of the congregation" ,the virginity testing thats done in that church has infact produced marriages where both partners are vigirns. And you still find some 25 or even 3o year olds who are not yet married but still virgins. If that is not improving the lives of the congregation ,then I dont know what it is. Whats suprising with the church being originally from Zim? as long as it makes its youth to abstain from sex until they are ready for marriage ,i see nothing wrong there,or you would rather leave them to decide for themselves and in most cases end up engaging in prostit.uition and having kids while they are still kids themselves?
I dont know why we like to complain too much. They have se.x,we complain,we find ways to make them to abstain,we still complain.Even if the idea is a good one will always find faults in for the mere of it..
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2nevvy4u
MOTHUBANNYOShe said they were very understanding and when they find out that a girl is no longer a virgin, they call her mother and inform her of what they have found.
"But this remains confidential between myself, the child and her mother."
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But then why would the girl attend the test knowing very well that they are no longer a virgin ?
Sounds very stupid to me, that's all
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all they need is you,kikikikikikikikiki
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MissBhakajuju
DJWinnerTyping error, I mean: Wena, you won't let me to have sex with because I'm a Zulu.
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not that you're zulu, but I just don't like you, or maybe I don't like you anymore !!!
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Ubufebe
These virginity testers must be perverts just wanting to stick their fingers in there kikikikiReport Abuse
malemaforpresident
nxaaa mara zooolus i rest my case what is the use of looking at a 200 virginas no wonder why the head of state called the spear with so many wives it is because kuku is in abundance in that areaReport Abuse
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LESON.1Fake V1rgins are now here
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Kwakwakwkawkawkawkwaaaaa kikikikikikikikki
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NakedIm not sure what you mean by "nothing to ipmrove the lives of the congregation" ,the virginity testing thats done in that church has infact produced marriages where both partners are vigirns.
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Perhaps with women they can test for virginity but since it is physically impossible to do this in men and they claim they can I have no choice but to dismiss the claims outright.
If you claim to do something that is physically impossible to do then you publicly humiliate those you claim are no longer virgins how can that be in the interests of the congregation. The worst churches are ezabo brother nabo sister, these churches operate more like sects where one lives in a closed community.
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Im not sure what you mean by "nothing to ipmrove the lives of the congregation" ,the virginity testing thats done in that church has infact produced marriages where both partners are vigirns. And you still find some 25 or even 3o year olds who are not yet married but still virgins.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
so this means both are clueless or lack experience ya bedroom,i wonder what happens on their first sexsession.
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Shredder
@DJWinner - Well, it is not my idea. Testers use this method. I'm sure they done a bit of a research before implementing it..............................................................................................................................
Fair enough :)
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@DzelNaked
@DZEL - Are Zimbabweans not people? and we all have the right of choice dont we? The church is in Mafkeng,Durban,Capetown,Zambia,Malawi etc.Respect other people's choices
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I am just surprised that the church is Zimbabwean that's all.
I don't have a problem with Zimbabweans what I do have a problem with is when these churches start pushing backward agenda that do nothing to improve the lives of its congregation.
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So effectively you have self appointed yourself to fight for the rights of those "poor church members who are unknowingly victims at the hands of their devious pastor's; right??? You have a sovereign mandate to deliver them from the domain of darkness into the kingdom of light (your way of thinking)!!!
How is your attitude then different from those who are criticizing a virgin inspection tradition that they know nothing about??? Just asking??? You do have a problem with Zimbabweans; the same way you have a problem with anyone who does not share your ethnicity!!!! This is easy to deduce when one read's your tribalistic comments on this blo.g, each time you have an opportunity. Grow up and stop debating things that you know nothing about!!! Your atheism was not a subject of discussion nor was your tribalism, today but virgin inspection!!!!
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Little_Dude
@iNSPECTORSdo you personally bare the smell of all?????
just curious benjamin on this one.
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MissBhakajujuDJWinner
Typing error, I mean: Wena, you won't let me to have sex with because I'm a Zulu.
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not that you're zulu, but I just don't like you, or maybe I don't like you anymore !!!
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Happy that you liked me before, what did I do to change your mind? I still like you anyway.
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MissBhakajuju
@SWEETYKhi my Darling, how was your weekend ??
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MGEEZ
@TigerMThis test is not accurate as it only focuses on vaginal sex, what about anal & oral sex, I once heard that young girls in this area are active in these latter activities and abstaining from vaginal penetrative sex, meaning they not really abstaining and technically are not virgins.
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Mona ke sebe; this is a beautiful practice, you do not have to subscribe to it; but do not falsely accuse it either!!!!
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Little_Dude@iNSPECTORS
do you personally bare the smell of all?????
just curious benjamin on this one.
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Not all vaginas smell badly. Maybe you are unlucky to meet smelly women. The smell is due to medical issues.
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Little_Dude
TigerMThis test is not accurate as it only focuses on vaginal sex, what about anal & oral sex, I once heard that young girls in this area are active in these latter activities and abstaining from vaginal penetrative sex, meaning they not really abstaining and technically are not virgins
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@TigerMThis test is not accurate as it only focuses on vaginal sex, what about anal & oral sex, I once heard that young girls in this area are active in these latter activities and abstaining from vaginal penetrative sex, meaning they not really abstaining and technically are not virgins
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Very valid point, which then makes the whole exercise of 'testing for virginity' pointless!
Young girls from all race groups apparently mistakenly think/are led to believe that oral sex doesn't count as sex, so the males get their rocks off at the girls expense.
The youth need education in a very big way!!
I would go so far as to say that this 'testing' is right up there with female circumcision - depraved and barbaric humiliation for the woman, IMPOSED on her by self-rightious and self serving men.
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Naked
@DzelPerhaps with women they can test for virginity but since it is physically impossible to do this in men and they claim they can I have no choice but to dismiss the claims outright.
If you claim to do something that is physically impossible to do then you publicly humiliate those you claim are no longer virgins how can that be in the interests of the congregation. The worst churches are ezabo brother nabo sister, these churches operate more like sects where one lives in a closed community.
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Listen here, I merely shared what I have seen. I dont have all the answers to your questions and im not sure how virginity testing in males is conducted and i have never bothered to ask how as its non of my business. All I know is that it happens and it has produced good mannered man who dont just open their zips to every skirt that passes by and that makes me happy. I did not claim to have personally tested males for their vigirnity. Why must I question its accurecy when the results are good?
Whatever method used to make youth abstain I support it fully as long as those kids are not forced into it. One more time,respect other people's culutres and dont always force people to see things the way you do.
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Dzel
MGEEZHow is your attitude then different from those who are criticizing a virgin inspection tradition that they know nothing about??? Just asking??? You do have a problem with Zimbabweans; the same way you have a problem with anyone who does not share your ethnicity!!!! This is easy to deduce when one read's your tribalistic comments on this blo.g, each time you have an opportunity. Grow up and stop debating things that you know nothing about!!! Your atheism was not a subject of discussion nor was your tribalism, today but virgin inspection!!!!
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Let me explain what should be obvious but I’ll explain anyway.
With a women one simply checks the hymen; if the hymen is still intact then one is a bona fide virgin, right?
Perhaps you can tell me how this is done in men. For the record the two things I take issue with is the public humiliation of those who are found not to be virgins which is a danger especially when one considers the hymen can be torn even when one is still a virgin through exercise for example. Then I have a problem with a claim that a man can be tested for virginity which is impossible, you have a better chance of healing AIDS which at least is possible and has been done before. I can even tell you how one can cure AIDS or at least how it was done in the case where the patient was cured.
As for me being tribalist you have the wrong guy dude. Dude I am half-Zulu, half-Tswana, grew up in mixed Soweto and married to umXhosa. Secondly the last thing you can accuse me of is tribalism.
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@iNSPECTORS
do you personally bare the smell of all?????
just curious benjamin on this one.
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Not all vaginas smell badly. Maybe you are unlucky to meet smelly women. The smell is due to medical issues
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Naturally if any woman did not took bath/shower for certain peroid, bad smell automatically generated.
Im sure fish was smelling all over, it was just waiting to be braaied.
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@DJWinnerLittle_Dude
@iNSPECTORS
do you personally bare the smell of all?????
just curious benjamin on this one.
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Not all vaginas smell badly. Maybe you are unlucky to meet smelly women. The smell is due to medical issues.
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Loool, u killed me. Medical issues, how? U mad bra
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DJWinner
@MissBhakajuju..Now you are failing to answer my question. I think you still like me, you just can't admit it.Report Abuse
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MissBhakajuju@SWEETYK
hi my Darling, how was your weekend ??
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Was good and how was yours my love?
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LBS
Bumboklaat - good morning my friend :)Wish you would post in English sometimes so that I can follow you instead of guessing what you are saying ........
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Shredder
@Dzel - I can even tell you how one can cure AIDS or at least how it was done in the case where the patient was cured.========================================================================
E tla le tsona ntate. You can help many people, perhaps even here on the Sowetan blog. :). I was actually also curious how Magic Johnson got cured.
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somaartakeit
Hey hallow members of the stone age!!!the only person/s that should be investigating your daughters/wives virgins is a medically qualified person, and he/she is expected to do so wearing surgical gloves, yhazi abantu abanama fetish about gen!tals they make the culture look primitive.
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@DzelAs for me being tribalist you have the wrong guy dude. Dude I am half-Zulu, half-Tswana, grew up in mixed Soweto and married to umXhosa. Secondly the last thing you can accuse me of is tribalism.
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Just do deviate a little from the topic. there is no such thing as half tswana or half zulu. If your father is zulu then you are zulu period!
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hi my Darling, how was your weekend ??
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Was good and how was yours my love?
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it was awesome my Chomie, I spent most of the time indoors, hey the snow is getting the worst of us. lol
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"Actually, they must show us one maiden who complains about it - or come to us and ask how we feel ... and we will tell them that they must back-off.;;;;;;;
ja those who talk smack about other people's cultures they know sh!t about must shut the f*ck up.
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SeshegoGuY
BumboKlaatSome claim to be virgins le ge ele go re kgale ba hlokoloziwa! Ba kenya mafura a bacon kamo tlase go re ge ba ba cheka ba nagane go re ke ma virgin!
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kikikikiki o dom son LoL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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somaartakeit
@Shredder Magic JOhnson is not cured he said this himself when recently speaking on Bloomberg tv, but aids like most infectious diseases is manageable when infected ppl adopt healthy lifestyle, and they like Magic can live longer than 20yrs Magic said he has been living with aids for 20yrs in his last interview he also said when he was diagnosed he had to drastically change his lifestyle, ie from sleeping around to sleeping responsibly, he said he was infected cause he had multiple partners.Report Abuse
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@LBSBumboklaat - good morning my friend :)
Wish you would post in English sometimes so that I can follow you instead of guessing what you are saying ........
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Sorry dear,
Someone once told me that girls move to the big cities and become sexually active but when they go for virginity testing they insert bacon fat in their vaginas to fool the examiners. don't know if its true though!
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BumboklaatJust do deviate a little from the topic. there is no such thing as half tswana or half zulu. If your father is zulu then you are zulu period!
Hear hear!
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somaartakeit
@BumboKlaatSome claim to be virgins le ge ele go re kgale ba hlokoloziwa! Ba kenya mafura a bacon kamo tlase go re ge ba ba cheka ba nagane go re ke ma virgin!
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they are taking this 'born again' claim too literally, if you ask me, I know one girl who also believes she is a virgin but she has a 5yr old daughter,
I don't know if its deliberate on the part of the church ministers to mislead/misrepresent stuff or they themselves are clueless, but at times its really painful to see how uninformed their followers are,
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somaartakeit
@BumboklaatJust do deviate a little from the topic. there is no such thing as half tswana or half zulu. If your father is zulu then you are zulu period!
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sorry but you are 50% of both, in the same that a coloured where his/her parents are black and white they are 50% of both.
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SeshegoGuY
@SomaartakeitHey u watch Bloomberg?????? I hope u also not an employee, otherwise we'd have 2 people not being productive kikiki Lol
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Bumboklaat
somaartakeit@BumboKlaat
Some claim to be virgins le ge ele go re kgale ba hlokoloziwa! Ba kenya mafura a bacon kamo tlase go re ge ba ba cheka ba nagane go re ke ma virgin!
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they are taking this 'born again' claim too literally, if you ask me, I know one girl who also believes she is a virgin but she has a 5yr old daughter,
I don't know if its deliberate on the part of the church ministers to mislead/misrepresent stuff or they themselves are clueless, but at times its really painful to see how uninformed their followers are,
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Sad indeed
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SWEETYK
eKapaThere is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born baby
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Kikikikikikikikikikikikikikikikiki new born baby, Hi babes how are you today?
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BaleliM
I wonder why KZN has the highest stats in HIV if they are so traditional and follow their culture in remaining pure. just curiousReport Abuse
somaartakeit
@SeShegoboy, *laughing*Report Abuse
Bumboklaat
@somaartakeit@Bumboklaat
Just do deviate a little from the topic. there is no such thing as half tswana or half zulu. If your father is zulu then you are zulu period!
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sorry but you are 50% of both, in the same that a coloured where his/her parents are black and white they are 50% of both.
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I beg to differ, we are not animals and it has been common since time memorial that if I marry a tswana and I am zulu then my kids are zulu and nothalf this or that. They wiil follow my zulu culture and take my surname!
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Makhosini0408
Let me add that also we must remember to include ukusoma (non penetrative thigh sex) because it is also prevalent. Whether it is right or wrong is another story all together.Report Abuse
LBS
@Bumboklaat@LBS
Bumboklaat - good morning my friend :)
Wish you would post in English sometimes so that I can follow you instead of guessing what you are saying ........
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Sorry dear,
Someone once told me that girls move to the big cities and become sexually active but when they go for virginity testing they insert bacon fat in their vaginas to fool the examiners. don't know if its true though!
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Thank you! :)
LOL so they don't smell fish, more like bacon and eggs?!
Seriously though that would be a very dangerous practice especially if they can't get it out again.
Even more seriously, it makes a mockery of the testing if those testing can't recognise the difference!
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DJWinner
@MissBhakajuju...I will take that as a yes....Report Abuse
BOSSOKEMANGG
Why would you want to prove to people that you are still pure and why would you go if you know that you are not? you personally know that you are pure or not and its not anybody's business.Report Abuse
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MissBhakajujuSWEETYK
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@SWEETYK
hi my Darling, how was your weekend ??
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Was good and how was yours my love?
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it was awesome my Chomie, I spent most of the time indoors, hey the snow is getting the worst of us. lol
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So am I, but yesterday wasn't that bad neh, do you have any blanket with ears and eyes?LOL
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m'zaco'
Dumelang.........sanibonani.......avuxeni............morning.......ndi machedoni.....more@BOOoooooooooooOOooooOOoooOOooOOooombaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
@sweetyk
@iwoman
@balilem
@seshegoGuy
how was the weekend my beautiful fellows
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Bumboklaat
@LBSTrue, but personally I wouldn't care if my partner is a virgin or not. If she is a lady and has a good personality then that's enough for me!
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SeshegoGuY
@SomaartakeitHey wena im not a boy....im a GUY. Why are u calling me inkwenkwe?? LoL
@Zaco
Sharp fede my Authi, Weekend was super nice!! U know how we roll in Jozi
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m'zaco'Dumelang.........sanibonani.......avuxeni............morning.......ndi machedoni.....more
@BOOoooooooooooOOooooOOoooOOooOOooombaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
@sweetyk
@iwoman
@balilem
@seshegoGuy
how was the weekend my beautiful fellows
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Dumela Mza kikikikikiki twe twe twe tweeeee
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MissBhakajuju
@SWEETYKSo am I, but yesterday wasn't that bad neh, do you have any blanket with ears and eyes?LOL
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lol. tltltltltltltltltlttltltltltltltltltltl, No I don't have luv, I'm so occupied I don't get time anymore, thers been a number of approaches
every where I go, including some bloggers, like Gusheshe, I wonder where he is today. lol
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Little_Dude
@DJWinner - point taken mfwethu____________________________
Is it healthy to be virgin up to 30yrs????
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eKapa
SWEETYKeKapa
There is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born baby
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Kikikikikikikikikikikikikikikikiki new born baby, Hi babes how are you today?
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Hi, ke sharp my frendo fede wena o jwang mara? i did get sum on the weekend
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MGEEZ
@DzelAs i have said before; one simply needs to read your wri.t.ings to make their own de.d.uction!!! I never a.c.c.used you of being a tri.b.a.list; nor did I ask you if you were one; i simply made a statement of fact based on my observations of your p.o.s.ts on this w.e.b.s.ite; that you are not only a tri.b.a.list but an a.t.h.eist as well (which thing you did not deny because you know it's true and p.o.l.itically correct). What would not be po.l.i.tically correct now is a practicing t.r.i.b.a.l.i.st, or kapa jang??? It was only last week that you thanked G.o.d for being a Z.u.l.u and not being a X.h.o.s.a or a P.e.di that were practisi.n.g for.e.skin ci.r.cum.cision in this same forum and today you tell me that you are a mixture????? You are right and my suggestion to you is simple; instead of trying to heal H.I.V which you ignorantly pro.f.e.ss to be curable publicly (this against scie.n.t.ific evidence to the contrary); it would be easier to cure yr tr.i.b.a.lism and your at.h.e.i.sm (but you must first accept to yourself and not to me or anyone on this b.l.o.g that you need help in that respect). Remember it was not me that first announced their true observation of your discrimin.a.t.ion te.nde.ncies today; it was Naked; I simply concur and you are the only one who is blind to that!!!
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somaartakeit
@Little_Dude why wouldn't it? its in fact healthiest to remain a virgin longer if one can help it cause then you don't have to go through the testing for std's,Report Abuse
SWEETYK
MissBhakajuju@SWEETYK
So am I, but yesterday wasn't that bad neh, do you have any blanket with ears and eyes?LOL
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lol. tltltltltltltltltlttltltltltltltltltltl, No I don't have luv, I'm so occupied I don't get time anymore, thers been a number of approaches
every where I go, including some bloggers, like Gusheshe, I wonder where he is today. lol
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I don't want to talk about weekend cause someone will attack me kikikikikikiki, hey my love do you see any necessity to do this test mara? There's someone who is lonely can you please give Leson1 a chance?
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somaartakeit
@SeshegoGuy, I wouldn't dream of calling you a boy *hides* wena you misunderstood me:-)Report Abuse
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eKapaSWEETYK
eKapa
There is No more virgins in Mzansi, the only virgin you will get is new Born baby
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Kikikikikikikikikikikikikikikikiki new born baby, Hi babes how are you today?
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Hi, ke sharp my frendo fede wena o jwang mara? i did get sum on the weekend
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Ke sharp skim saka, ke mjojo ke monate blind vandag.
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LBS
@Bumboklaat@LBS
True, but personally I wouldn't care if my partner is a virgin or not. If she is a lady and has a good personality then that's enough for me!
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Good for you!
It is in fact ridiculous to expect girls to remain virgins while all the guys want to fornicate!
This has always been the way across all cultures - guys want to marry virgins but also have their fun - not enough virgins to go around.
The mere fact that some girls may try to find a way to pretend to be virgins makes the whole 'testing' business sad, if not laughable.
Maybe this is a male superiorty complex?
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DJWinner
I think @somaartakeit is still a virgin.Report Abuse
Bumboklaat
Zaco go byang mfanaka? o jele byang weekend?Report Abuse
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@all female bloggersAt what age did you lose your virginity?
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Dzel
Shredder@Dzel - I can even tell you how one can cure AIDS or at least how it was done in the case where the patient was cured.
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E tla le tsona ntate. You can help many people, perhaps even here on the Sowetan blog. :). I was actually also curious how Magic Johnson got cured.
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No, I am not talking about Magic Johnson; his case is curious though.
Simple answer: bone marrow stem cell transplant and induced immunity from the HIV virus.
To follow the how you first need to understand the concept of virus mutation how exposure in moderate doses to a virus or a related group of viruses leads one to being resistant to that virus. In the 14th century Europe got hit hard by the bubonic plague leading to what was commonly known as Black Death which wiped out significant portion of the population and is believed to have spread as far as the Americas with devastating consequences for indigenous people like Red Indians.
Europeans particularly from Scandinavian countries grew resistance from the disease, a level of resistance that made many immune to HIV (the mutation is known as delta 32). How the HI virus attacks the human cell is it needs a gene called CR55 which produces a protein that acts as a receptor, it is through this protein that the virus unlocks the cell and then attacks it. If the protein is not there the virus cannot break in so to speak, if one is given enough exposure to the delta 32 mutant gene eventually your cells will lock themselves against HIV which means even with exposure the virus becomes dormant or as harmless as it is in primates.
For interest’s sake the one person in the world known to have been cured of AIDS is Timothy Brown. He is a German who was diagnosed with HIV, a few years later he was given a stem cell transplant to treat his leukaemia and today his viral load has vanished completely meaning he has been completely cured of AIDS.
The complexity with stem cell though is the donor and recipient must be an exact match, this coupled with the complexity of a bone marrow transplant makes curing patients a challenge so the focus for researchers is to find a more practical way of cultivating a donor bank, to this end research is now on using blood from umbilical cords and use that to grow the base.
I say stem cell research is the way to go, yes it borders on playing god but this is a barrier we have to cross if we are to fully tackle scourges like HIV / AIDS. By the way only around 1% of human beings are immune to AIDS but the slant tends to be towards whites from Scandanavian countries as explained. A study undertaken in Kenya years back also indicated some prostitutes who tuned out to be immune.
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kulula
I personally dont support this. I dont have to prove to anyone that I am a virgin or not.Thats a mischevious laugh that i see from Zwelithini Nxa.
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Dzel
BumboklaatJust do deviate a little from the topic. there is no such thing as half tswana or half zulu. If your father is zulu then you are zulu period!
True, but I also needed to make Mgeez understand how ridiculous his accusation of tribalism is.
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Dzel
@ All,To read about the guy who was cured of HIV / AIDS follow this link:
dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2156697/How-man-cured-AIDS-inspired-doctors-discover-revolutionary-new-treatment.html
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MORNACH!ES011
I just realised that most gays are zulus,so when are they going to do this testunto them ?
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Dzel - No, I am not talking about Magic Johnson; his case is curious though.==================================================================
I was not thinking of Magic Johnson either. I was just curious about him. :)
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somaartakeit
@Dzel, do we in SA have lab which are developing stem cells? NO cause this regime has not invested in the things that matter, but then again when one thinks of it, zuma and by extension anc are clueless, there are so many medical developments i read about going on in the Netherlands whilst thina apha we are doing virginity testing, yhoo mara the world is moving on without us.Report Abuse
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MGEEZ@Dzel
As i have said before; one simply needs to read your wri.t.ings to make their own de.d.uction!!! I never a.c.c.used you of being a tri.b.a.list; nor did I ask you if you were one; i simply made a statement of fact based on my observations of your p.o.s.ts on this w.e.b.s.ite; that you are not only a tri.b.a.list but an a.t.h.eist as well (which thing you did not deny because you know it's true and p.o.l.itically correct). What would not be po.l.i.tically correct now is a practicing t.r.i.b.a.l.i.st, or kapa jang??? It
You know what is funny Mgeez, Christians don’t excuse themselves before imposing their views on me. I get stopped in the streets by people who don’t understand what they are talking about. Every day I get mails from people telling me about god, it is in my face all the time.
Yes I am an atheist because I know how religion and Christianity started and developed into a fully fledged religion. I can name your god and tell you how he was created, by whom and when. More importantly I can tell you where the lies are in the bible and substantiate my argument.
Science gives us all the answers including how earth was formed, why we have different layers that make up the earth from the iron core to magma to the crust. I can explain to you why we have earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. How the moon was formed, how life was formed, where the water comes from, etc.
There is no substitute for education and knowledge; once you understand these things you will also understand why the claim that our planet, our galaxy and the cosmos in general was created by god is pathetic at best. Educate yourself my brother, stop accepting what you have been taught at face value; surely you need more than just faith to believe in a god who is man’s creation.
Will discovery of intelligent life convince you otherwise cause if you understood the odds that we are not alone and how life came to earth then you will understand that we are not alone, what remains is for us to make contact with life from other planets or galaxies.
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SWEETYK
Bumboklaat@all female bloggers
At what age did you lose your virginity?
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Haaaa why?
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Maiti
So what????????? Big deal they are still virgins. My body compared to what I'm looking at is way better. and amajita dig it big time. :)Report Abuse
m'zaco'
SWEETYKkwaaaaaaaaaaa! nna i dont have no idea..........haaai! mara i am happy u are fine.
i have a great respect for you! **wink**
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Dzel
somaartakeit@Dzel, do we in SA have lab which are developing stem cells? NO cause this regime has not invested in the things that matter, but then again when one thinks of it, zuma and by extension anc are clueless, there are so many medical developments i read about going on in the Netherlands whilst thina apha we are doing virginity testing, yhoo mara the world is moving on without us.
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Stem c.ell research is a contro.versial topic sommar with overz.ealous reli.gious types sternly against the practice. It falls under research considered taboo like clo.ning of human bei.ngs with good reason too. I am of the opinion that we should look into it more especially if it means cultivating body parts. In the news right now is the case of baby Pippa, you can either have a kid grow up with na.sty bu.rn marks or you can do a skin graft and cover affected areas but why not grow skin from cells, why not try to cultivate what you can in a controlled environment.
I hear why you would want to politicise the research but it is as controversial as frac.king – extracting natural gas like carbon and methane from r.ocks under the surface – as means to generate po.wer. Quite frankly fra.cking sca.res the he.ck out of me but the minister of energy thinks it is a good idea, l.ord have mercy.
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Shredder
@somaartakeit@Dzel, do we in SA have lab which are developing stem cells? NO cause this regime has not invested in the things that matter, but then again when one thinks of it, zuma and by extension anc are clueless, there are so many medical developments i read about going on in the Netherlands whilst thina apha we are doing virginity testing, yhoo mara the world is moving on without us.
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Cool it down, your ranting Zuma and the ANC government in every article is unhealthy. I think there are many things that are going behind the scenes that we don't know about.
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BiPolar
@somaartakeit@Dzel, do we in SA have lab which are developing stem cells? NO cause this regime has not invested in the things that matter, but then again when one thinks of it, zuma and by extension anc are clueless, there are so many medical developments i read about going on in the Netherlands whilst thina apha we are doing virginity testing, yhoo mara the world is moving on without us.
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You are so right, instead of investing in Research, Innovation and Development - we are supporting old and outdated practices that no longer have a place in this time and age. We have gravitated into just a consuming nation - we have almost nothing we can proudly say was invented in Africa that benefits the world - we waste time, effort and money hosting virginity ceremonies with the intent to prey on the virgins!! I wonder how many girls lost their virginity after the ceremony! It is only through education that we can revolutionise Africa, Economically and otherwise - not through shoving fingers in young women's p@ssies!
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m'zaco'SWEETYK
kwaaaaaaaaaaa! nna i dont have no idea..........haaai! mara i am happy u are fine.
i have a great respect for you! **wink**
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Thank you zaco'baco sure ntja yaka, nna ke stress free material kikikikikikikikikikikikikiki twee twe tweee tweee.
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MORNACH!ES011
Okonkwo back at pirates!.....this is really news comapared to this cabbage calledviagra test !
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m'zaco'
@sweetykhahahahahahahaha! You see...................................
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Dzel
MgeezYou are right and my suggestion to you is simple; instead of trying to heal H.I.V which you ignorantly pro.f.e.ss to be curable publicly (this against scie.n.t.ific evidence to the contrary)
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All I can say is educate yourself my brother, educate yourself.
We live in the 21st century, there is no excuse for ignorance.
As for me being grateful for not being Xhosa, yes I said as much not because I think ill of Xhosa people but being Zulu I did not have to face the dilemma of going traditional or western. This is not an expression of negative sentiments towards Xhosa people, please don't misunderstand me.
If you feel I am wrong about god then please engage me so we can have a conversation.
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Shredder
@MORNACH!ES011 - I got no problem with this ,mara ya go tsenya menwana ko dinnyong is no gud.=========================================================================
Ha gona n gud ya niks mo. Ra e tsenya menwana e.
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SWEETYKm'zaco'
SWEETYK
kwaaaaaaaaaaa! nna i dont have no idea..........haaai! mara i am happy u are fine.
i have a great respect for you! **wink**
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Thank you zaco'baco sure ntja yaka, nna ke stress free material kikikikikikikikikikikikikiki twee twe tweee tweee.
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stress free ? you lost you v1rginity after your netball team lost a match, You were so scared, you just ran straight home with your panty on top of your head,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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@Biopolar did you know that one minister I think of minerals (I stand corrected) but she is based in KZN is having scientists to investigate lightening and why it always strike black ppl? she was quoted as saying she has not read of a white person being struck by a lightening, go figure, I don't remember if the article was published in the M&G or sowetan but after reading that article I felt ashamed to call ppl like that leaders, hence I fully agree with Dzel that there is no excuse for ppl to remain ignorant with all these education tool and advanced technology at our disposal.Report Abuse
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m'zaco'@sweetyk
hahahahahahahaha! You see...................................
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kikikikikikikikikikikikiki give me other sound, please remind me of that other joke (sound) I really need to laugh di nngange ditshego vandag kwa quququququuquqririririririri.
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m'zaco'
@shredderYooooooo! mfanakith'i............haikhona____ ;(
@leson.1
qiqiqiiqi!.....mara ke hor my sister o go entseng....! kikikikiki
@monakis
Dumela! lepara
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DzelAre you a student of Darwins' work by any chance?
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m'zaco'
SWEETYK
kwaaaaaaaaaaa! nna i dont have no idea..........haaai! mara i am happy u are fine.
i have a great respect for you! **wink**
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Thank you zaco'baco sure ntja yaka, nna ke stress free material kikikikikikikikikikikikikiki twee twe tweee tweee.
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stress free ? you lost you v1rginity after your netball team lost a match, You were so scared, you just ran straight home with your panty on top of your head,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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I'm starting to suspect you, eee ok now I know who are you.
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somaartakeit
@MORNACH!ES011I got no problem with this ,mara ya go tsenya menwana ko dinnyong is no gud.
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what is the difference btwn these ppl and pastor mboro cause it was reported that he also does same things, question is what health precautions are the testers and testees adhere to, cause when a medical practitioner does such tests they use surgical gloves for each patient, do these ppl even use surgical gloves, do they sterilise their hands and any equipment used during this process or the just pick gems from person to the next with blissful ignorance?
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@sweetykpeeeeeeeeeep PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP...............kikikiki
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DzelMgeez
You are right and my suggestion to you is simple; instead of trying to heal H.I.V which you ignorantly pro.f.e.ss to be curable publicly (this against scie.n.t.ific evidence to the contrary)
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All I can say is educate yourself my brother, educate yourself.
We live in the 21st century, there is no excuse for ignorance.
As for me being grateful for not being Xhosa, yes I said as much not because I think ill of Xhosa people but being Zulu I did not have to face the dilemma of going traditional or western. This is not an expression of negative sentiments towards Xhosa people, please don't misunderstand me.
If you feel I am wrong about god then please engage me so we can have a conversation.
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I respect you mfana, you always lift up my spirit more especially when I'm down o boza Dzel ba mona ba cheche. Boso ke mang? Dzel
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BiPolar
@somaartakeit@Biopolar did you know that one minister I think of minerals (I stand corrected) but she is based in KZN is having scientists to investigate lightening and why it always strike black ppl? she was quoted as saying she has not read of a white person being struck by a lightening, go figure, I don't remember if the article was published in the M&G or sowetan but after reading that article I felt ashamed to call ppl like that leaders, hence I fully agree with Dzel that there is no excuse for ppl to remain ignorant with all these education tool and advanced technology at our disposal.
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We need a new wave of thinking and leadership - most of the current leaders were not hired on merit but through political motivation. Also, as a black nation - we need to awaken to the heartbeat of the world. Imagine you are a Virginity Inspector when you do not even understand the anatomy and human physiology! lol@lightning always strike black people - i am speechless!
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MgeezOh yes, another fact you may find interesting.
Science is on the verge of discovering the Higgs boson particle also known as the god particle, what this is is what gives mass to an atom. Essentially it is why you and I have mass which in turn allows us to experience gravity and stay rooted to planet earth. The European Organisation of Nuclear Research also known as CERN is currently involved in research that smashes atoms at extremely high velocity as its method of research, they are expected to release an official statement in July on their research.
This is a very complex concept to explain but I can explain it to you if you want.
The impact of the imminent discovery is that it will smash a key religious cornerstone and go a long way into dismissing claims that the earth and people were created by god. Slowly but surely the wheels are coming off the band wagon.
Do you know in Europe where Christianity flourished currently has a Christian population of around 20%, everyone else has seen Christianity for the farce it really is? Nina abantu abamnyama go around thinking you are enlightened because someone has whispered in your air and you’ve believed it. I find nothing sadder than someone who assumes they are better off because they have been “born again”.
What a whole lot of bull that is.
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m'zaco'
SWEETYK
kwaaaaaaaaaaa! nna i dont have no idea..........haaai! mara i am happy u are fine.
i have a great respect for you! **wink**
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Thank you zaco'baco sure ntja yaka, nna ke stress free material kikikikikikikikikikikikikiki twee twe tweee tweee.
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stress free ? you lost you v1rginity after your netball team lost a match, You were so scared, you just ran straight home with your panty on top of your head,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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I'm starting to suspect you, eee ok now I know who are you.
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C'mon i will not waste my time breaking your v1rginity you can imagine the sound back then, Maybe @m'zaco' did ....................
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Dzel
OFFLIMITSAre you a student of Darwins' work by any chance?
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I believe in evolution yes.
Evolution is a fuzzy concept but not as complicated as we make it. Examples are all around us but we over complicate something that is easy to explain. Evolution is fact.
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m'zaco'
@leson.1kikikiki.....wa bona byale!!..................lol
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Thanks SweetK :-)Report Abuse
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m'zaco'@sweetyk
peeeeeeeeeep PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP...............kikikiki
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I want to laugh today, people are talking serious thing batho not bathonyana. A gona bo twe tweee tweee le bo peeeeeee PEEEEEEE today sh*t and dinngange today dam*t.
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M'Lungu
Eish! When da Prez is depicted in a painting with his spear hanging out, everyone was running around foaming at the mouth and shouting "culture" "rights" "respect" etc! Now women is once again shown with their breasts exposed and subjecting themselves to " virginity testing" - yet this province has the hoghest HIV/Aids infection rate in SA (But yes! - a shower will take everything away - according to the Spear!) What's next - IQ tests where people are allowing other to "pick" their brains?Report Abuse
MORNACH!ES011
@somaartakeit,I got no idea with Mbhoro's practice ,so i'm not in a gud state of mind to argue on that.
What i know is that those gogos must fucken wash their hands with Omo washing
powder....i can share a bowl of food with them ......but i do think Zooomer got a hand
in this practice ,i min u may find out tat he want to marry them nexy year january...
phela tat guy is a real skebereshee.....
@Shirinda,
Wa re o bohloko kae kgauswi le mogwete ?
@Zacos,
I saw your message over the weekend kikikikiki wa nnya.ka ganthe ?
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@Zacos,I saw your message over the weekend kikikikiki wa nnya.ka ganthe ?
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what messages???....i never contacted you over the weekend bosssza..... :))
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DzelThe elusive 'god particle'...
The explanation to all of creation. Cant wait to read the hypothesis on that issue
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@m'zaco'what? how was the sound back then ? don't you see this chick can't get enaf of man- shetse a fereya 1 blogger and le blogger ya gona ka gore e rata dilo e tlo dumela,,, sheba wena.......
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m'zaco'@Zacos,
I saw your message over the weekend kikikikiki wa nnya.ka ganthe ?
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what messages???....i never contacted you over the weekend bosssza..... :))
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U did mann....check ko inbox ya gago.....don't be silly pls
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Too all the virgins out there """ THANX FOR NOTHING"Report Abuse
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@sweetykeish............go to haha.com, find some amusing jokes__ wa bona batho ba stressed! ke mafello a kgwedi bo rra-dikoloto ba kokota monyako....lol
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@Biopolar I can somehow try to understand some of the things they are doing even though I strongly disagree, but my biggest fear is cross infection I hope for the sake of the 200 virgins they are adhering to health and safety procedures.Report Abuse
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MORNACH!ES011m'zaco'
@Zacos,
I saw your message over the weekend kikikikiki wa nnya.ka ganthe ?
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what messages???....i never contacted you over the weekend bosssza..... :))
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U did mann....check ko inbox ya gago.....don't be silly pls
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dont be a fool buddy... the only message i sent u was the father's day wishes boet!
*****bear in mind you are an option not a priority........frankly!!! kikikikikiki
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LESON.1@m'zaco'
what? how was the sound back then ? don't you see this chick can't get enaf of man- shetse a fereya 1 blogger and le blogger ya gona ka gore e rata dilo e tlo dumela,,, sheba wena.......
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tweee twee tweee tweee jealous e tletse ko sefatlhegong kikikikikikikikikik
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@Zaco,Seriious mfowethu ko facebook....mara i'm not a gay ,so u better stop sending
such messages.....my wifee was so angry with me *serious-face*
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@leson.1i know the reset button!.....................kwakwakwakwakwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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MORNACH!ES011@Zaco,
Seriious mfowethu ko facebook....mara i'm not a gay ,so u better stop sending
such messages.....my wifee was so angry with me *serious-face*
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my handset has no facebook tab! i dont facebook at all_ what are you insinuating my friend.............!! me facebook!
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@m'zaco'@sweetyk
eish............go to haha.com, find some amusing jokes__ wa bona batho ba stressed! ke mafello a kgwedi bo rra-dikoloto ba kokota monyako....lol
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what about wena - tsamaya o patele batho ba ko di caravaneng o be o tsea magobe ka bukana....
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m'zaco'@sweetyk
eish............go to haha.com, find some amusing jokes__ wa bona batho ba stressed! ke mafello a kgwedi bo rra-dikoloto ba kokota monyako....lol
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Eish and they don't answer private calls, bo 087 248 6394 ke dikoloto ge tseo. Ba tla ba strong ba etsisa bo HUSBY ga ba reka kikikikikikiki,kikikiki during the month ba phinyetsa godimo mooo month end ke streechhh kikikikikikikikik Ba tla ba Strong.
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@somaartakeit@Biopolar I can somehow try to understand some of the things they are doing even though I strongly disagree, but my biggest fear is cross infection I hope for the sake of the 200 virgins they are adhering to health and safety procedures.
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I get you ---that is a very high risk as i doubt if the practice/ceremony of virgins is monitored and or accredited by the department of health. As for Mborho - i only see him on Soweto TV healing mainly women by exorcising demons and objects coming out of their private parts!! People claim you can also get healed by saying 'Mborho' - what a false prophet!! In the end, i am of the opinion that one sexuality/virginity - whether you lose it bothways (back and front) - it is a very personal matter and should not be for public display.
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m'zaco'MORNACH!ES011
m'zaco'
@Zacos,
I saw your message over the weekend kikikikiki wa nnya.ka ganthe ?
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what messages???....i never contacted you over the weekend bosssza..... :))
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U did mann....check ko inbox ya gago.....don't be silly pls
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dont be a fool buddy... the only message i sent u was the father's day wishes boet!
*****bear in mind you are an option not a priority........frankly!!! kikikikikiki
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Gona le bo Senzo le bo Jaison mooo ke a tshaba janong.
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wow 200 virgins - there's still some hopeReport Abuse
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at what age did he/she brake yr virginity?Report Abuse
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@SWEETYKyou watch too much TV- gona le DSTV ya R20 ka kgedi please hlabologa le wena hleeeeee
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@m'zaco'do you think @SWEETK a ka go gana- be honest ....................
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@sweetykkikikiki.........eish! ka moka re daaaaaaa!!!____
@ leson.1
kikiki........nna ke ja loaf brown le peanut__ peeeeeeeeeep peeeeeeeeeeep
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LESON.1@SWEETYK
you watch too much TV- gona le DSTV ya R20 ka kgedi please hlabologa le wena hleeeeee
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Do you know who killed Tiro ko the Wild? or o sheba ya 107 Mzansi where he's alive?
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@Dzel - Do you know in Europe where Christianity flourished currently has a Christian population of around 20%, everyone else has seen Christianity for the farce it really is? Nina abantu abamnyama go around thinking you are enlightened because someone has whispered in your air and you’ve believed it. I find nothing sadder than someone who assumes they are better off because they have been “born again”.What a whole lot of bull that is.
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Dzel, what you are saying is simply confirmation of the prophecies that in the last days scoffers will come[mocking God] saying where is the promise of His coming? Ever since creation things have been like this and will continue like this. We see it happening more and more in this decade than the past. So, I see it as one of the prophecies being fulfilled, no problem with you unbelief and mockery.
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Luv2kisswow 200 virgins - there's still some hope
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These are only reserved for Zulus, please....
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KILLERa1111I dont understand why wld SOWETAN run a poll about virginity test asking SOTHOS, VENDAZ, PEDIS and so forth coz it not their culture...we know what the response gona be...Wld you ask uMzulu wether he like Masonja or wld he wear a traditiional blanket in a 40 degree hot weather.
I think it time for SOWETAN readers to boycot sowetan newspapaer because they are dividing us as SA tribes...
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I agree with you bro, how can I support or not support something I am not familiar with. Is like asking South Africans about a culture practiced in Venezuela.
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leson.1i have no idea__ besides a ke fereyane totally!!....i only make friends
she has become friend with me
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The elusive 'god particle'...
The explanation to all of creation. Cant wait to read the hypothesis on that issue
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Well crea.tion boils down to amino acids, everything that is alive has amino acids without which li.fe would be impo.ssible. In fact we owe our existence to a chain of events not just one big ba.ng and viola, you have a human being.
Oddly enough our biggest benefactor is a bacterium called Cyanobacteria that introduced oxygen to planet ea.rth, without these bacteria our atmosphere would still be full of carb.on and meth.ane making it pois.onous to bre.athe and the temperature too hot to survive due to green house effect. In short earth would be like hel.lish Venus which is 470 degrees hot because of trapped greenhouse gases.
The opposite of Ve.nus is Ma.rs - both our closest relatives and within the habitable zone therefore should support life. Mars is a freezing planet with no atmosphere (you can’t trap heat if there is no atmosphere), Ma.rs core stopped rotating in its infacy and represents what would happen to our planet if the core stopped rotating.
It’s things like these relig.ious fana.tics don't understand, earth is far from being perfect and there are so many ways things can go wr.ong but like clockwork it keeps on functioning bar a few natural disasters like earthquakes and volcanic eruptions which have absolutely nothing to do with a higher being and everything to do with earth's geology.
Guys, you have to understand that Ve.nus, Earth and M.ars were formed at the same time through the same method yet Earth is the only success story of the three planets and this is due to the earth’s size and that we have a fully functional co.re which produces a magnetosphere that protects us from the sun.
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m'zaco'@sweetyk
kikikiki.........eish! ka moka re daaaaaaa!!!____
@ leson.1
kikiki........nna ke ja loaf brown le peanut__ peeeeeeeeeep peeeeeeeeeeep
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You lying man - You eat Blue ribbon brown bread ka mala mogodu for lunch.....................
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DJWinnerLuv2kiss
wow 200 virgins - there's still some hope
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These are only reserved for Zulus, please....
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hai maan yhini manje? KZN is the bigest province but it have only 200 virgins!? Hai mara Mzansi iku'ku iyadliwa strong lana
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LESON.1kikikiki........... mala mogodu! kikikikikikikikiki!!
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LESON.1@m'zaco'
do you think @SWEETK a ka go gana- be honest ....................
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Nka se mo gane, nka gana wena wa tlhogo ya l*s*pa la mo-tho o jang brown bread too much. Wa leitsi le le kutsang metsi ko toilet.
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wow 200 virgins - there's still some hope
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These are only reserved for Zulus, please....
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"Nna ke nyeke ha ke batle ma-virgin" u know that clip?
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Luv2kiss
wow 200 virgins - there's still some hope
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These are only reserved for Zulus, please....
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"Nna ke nyetse ha ke batle ma-virgin " u know that clip
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@m'zaco'leson.1
i have no idea__ besides a ke fereyane totally!!....i only make friends
she has become friend with me
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o la hlile o kare ke wena @SWEETYK
listen you dn't have to do much- just send her please call ke ya gorata then it's done.....................
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It is also interesting to observe that the traditionalists are quick to tell others to back off their culture and then they want us to fund its existence?Also is being a virgin an achievement in KZN?
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LESON.1m'zaco'
@sweetyk
kikikiki.........eish! ka moka re daaaaaaa!!!____
@ leson.1
kikiki........nna ke ja loaf brown le peanut__ peeeeeeeeeep peeeeeeeeeeep
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You lying man - You eat Blue ribbon brown bread ka mala mogodu for lunch.....................
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kikiki qiqiqiqqiqiq rararrararraraararzaarraaa bwaaaaaaaa
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@leson.1ke lahlile!!! ke a hlomphaaa.......
@sweetyk
Tjooooooooo.......... hai wena!...kikikiki
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LESON.1@m'zaco'
leson.1
i have no idea__ besides a ke fereyane totally!!....i only make friends
she has become friend with me
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o la hlile o kare ke wena @SWEETYK
listen you dn't have to do much- just send her please call ke ya gorata then it's done.....................
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Talking from experience tweee tweee tweee tweeee tweee tweee
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sweetykke nnete nthoe e bolelang ke lesson??
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DzelAgreed. But you yourself know that broken down to our simplest form, we're mere atoms. That mass that gave rise to our unique mass is what is in question when going to the fundamental core of the whole Higgs study.
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m'zaco'sweetyk
ke nnete nthoe e bolelang ke lesson??
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Which one ka gore pjaaaa eeee entse e tlhanya.
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Luv2kissLuv2kiss
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Luv2kiss
wow 200 virgins - there's still some hope
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These are only reserved for Zulus, please....
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"Nna ke nyetse ha ke batle ma-virgin " u know that clip
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Lol ..ga ke nyake ma-virgin nna mama ke nyetse nna, e bile a zang ka ba rata basadi nna mama..lol
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ShredderDzel, what you are saying is simply confirmation of the prophecies that in the last days scoffers will come[mocking God] saying where is the promise of His coming? Ever since creation things have been like this and will continue like this. We see it happening more and more in this decade than the past. So, I see it as one of the prophecies being fulfilled, no problem with you unbelief and mockery.
It is proof of a people who have woken up and have seen the light. Like I said to you I can answer most question on the universe because when I started asking the right questions I did not just listen to someone with a vested interest, I did my research and tried to debunk religion from all possible angles so I could be sure of my position.
I can only point you in the right direction; it is up to you what you want to believe after that. What I have found though is many are too entrenched in their beliefs or are too gullible to accept the truth when it is facing the,m.
I know arguing that we are not alone makes me come across as some sort of fruitcake but try put this into perspective:
In our galaxy the Milky Way there are hundreds of billions of stars just like our sun. Our sun has 9 planets so if we assumed the same is true across the universe then there are atleast a trillion planets in our galaxy alone. Let’s assume a modest 1% of these are in the habitable zone – not too hot and not too cold to support life – that leaves 10 billion in the zone. Assuming 1% of these is capable of supporting life that leaves 100 million planets and if 5% of these can support intelligent life then it means a few million planets but again lets be modest and cut this down to a few thousands planets capable of supporting life.
Do you still think we are alone?
Do you still think god created this planet called earth and that we are the lucky ones in the cosmos, there are billions of galaxies so do the math.
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@m'zaco'she will never say NO to you as long as she can hear some coin sounds ka mo pokothong - it's a win win
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Agreed. But you yourself know that broken down to our simplest form, we're mere atoms. That mass that gave rise to our unique mass is what is in question when going to the fundamental core of the whole Higgs study.
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Of course, I just wanted to break it down to life in its simplest form.
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@sweetykhehehehe ya maratoz!! mara wa dlala vele! kikikiki
@ leson.1
wena u take sweetyk for granted............lol
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DzelWe're on the same page G.
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@m'zaco'wena mala mogodu a tlo fola - e ja ka pela man.............
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Di male bloggers ke kopa le re tuuu,ga la itira goba di virgin.....bothata bo thiomilethe day le join virgin gym ........
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@Zaco,Never say a lady wa hlala mo la a go batla mann....mo charme ,ten o mmotsise gore
o prefer large or extra large ....so o se ka dom dom mfanaka.
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@leson.1kikikiki..........kwakwakwakwa! wa bona taba ya go nthomella mathari, NX! ke tla iphereyela ge ke rata maaaaaan! wena @leson.1
@monakis
le wena monakis..............**wink**
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MuAfroKILLERa1111
I dont understand why wld SOWETAN run a poll about virginity test asking SOTHOS, VENDAZ, PEDIS and so forth coz it not their culture...we know what the response gona be...Wld you ask uMzulu wether he like Masonja or wld he wear a traditiional blanket in a 40 degree hot weather.
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hehehe i never knew the was something called a traditiional blanket as a blanket is a blanket
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Psalm 119:11, “Your word have I laid up in my heart, that I might not sin against You”Did you know that the Word of God has the power to protect you and keep you from doing the things you know you shouldn’t do? Hebrews tells us that the Word of God is living and active; it’s powerful in our lives. God communicates to us through His written Word, the Bible, and He communicates with us through His spoken Word which can come in many ways. In scripture, God spoke to people through a burning bush, a still small voice, and even a donkey. Today, He may speak to your heart through a friend, a worship song, or something in creation. One thing is for sure, when He does speak, your spirit knows it. There is confirmation in your inner man. God always speaks truth, and truth always sets you free!
God’s Word also protects you. When you hold His Word close to your heart, it acts like a shield around your heart. You hold His Word close to you by meditating on it, focusing on it, thinking about it and declaring it. As you allow His truth to sink into your spirit, it will empower you and change you. It will equip you to live the good life He has prepared
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We're on the same page G.
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I can tell you know your stuff, I wish more people were informed enough to understand what we are talking about so they are in a better position to understand if there is any credibility to an external force that created the planet and its people.
If people understood the process of creation, the various stages in the formation of the planet and the various significant life forms - bacteria to dinosaurs and now us - they would understand why religion is built on shaky ground.
I just wish Sowetan public more stories on science and technology. We are not doing ourselves a favour by concentrating on umgosi instead of important topics. This things should be common knowledge and not stuff that interest curious people like us.
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@Somaar:His Majesty King Mswati holds the Reed Dance with the intent to select a new wife/princess. It is not clear if King Zwelithini is on the same boat. Can anyone outline atleast one benefit of undergoing this Virginity Test!
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LESON.1@m'zaco'
she will never say NO to you as long as she can hear some coin sounds ka mo pokothong - it's a win win
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Kgale's money box is full.
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@monakisbannna! se o le morutii byale____
weldone @wordofGod...........kikikikikiki! i am impressed!
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@m'zaco'
she will never say NO to you as long as she can hear some coin sounds ka mo pokothong - it's a win win
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Kgale's money box is full.
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My sister nna i am sorry! ke bashemane baaa...nna i am innocent! they disrespected your hubby....
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Monarchies,If you think the bible is the word of god then I ask you to research how it was compiled more importantly to what end, what was the motives of both Christians and Romans who sanctioned the process.
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I wonder how many virgins in this site.Report Abuse
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@m'zaco'@sweetyk
hehehehe ya maratoz!! mara wa dlala vele! kikikiki
@ leson.1
wena u take sweetyk for granted............lol
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taking her for granted c'mon--- every month end i buy her (12,5 Ace maize meal, 25Ltr of cooking oil and le di skopo tse 2 tsa Kolobe....... and she still think she is using me -------- ki ki ki ki
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DzelMonarchies,
If you think the bible is the word of god then I ask you to research how it was compiled more importantly to what end, what was the motives of both Christians and Romans who sanctioned the process.
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so what are your insinuations with that retort to monakis??
You think isnt the word of God??
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@Dzel -Shredder
DzI can only point you in the right direction; it is up to you what you want to believe after that. What I have found though is many are too entrenched in their beliefs or are too gullible to accept the truth when it is facing the,m.
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Nah! I belief what I see around me happening and relate to the Bible and I see that it is true. The Bible is alive and sharper than any 2 edged sword.
Actually, I used to believe in evolution too.
The Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, O Tyre, and I will bring many nations against you, like the sea casting up its waves. They will destroy the walls of Tyre and pull down her towers; I will scrape away her rubble and make her a bare rock.
You will never be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD.
You will be sought, but you will never again be found, declares the Sovereign LORD."
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Other things like the walls of Jericho have been dug out, but not Tyre. Archeologists have tried finding the city of Tyre and have never found it. Good luck if you are going to to try to rebuilt it with them Dzel. It won't happen because The Sovereign LORD has spoken it.
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DZELSowetan is not a condusive environment for the type of curiousity we like plunging into.
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so what are your insinuations with that retort to monakis??
You think isnt the word of God??
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I am not insinuating anything, I am telling you it is not the word of god.
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@MORNACH!ES011 - the Word of God is living and active; it’s powerful in our lives.=========================================================================
You beat me to it. Hihihihi.
In my post aove I told Dzel the same thing that "The Bible is alive and sharper than any 2 edged sword. "
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@sweetyk
hehehehe ya maratoz!! mara wa dlala vele! kikikiki
@ leson.1
wena u take sweetyk for granted............lol
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taking her for granted c'mon--- every month end i buy her (12,5 Ace maize meal, 25Ltr of cooking oil and le di skopo tse 2 tsa Kolobe....... and she still think she is using me -------- ki ki ki ki
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Itjoo nna never, a ke gane ke batla go tshega mare not like this. Ke gana ka nna iyo boring yiyiyiyiyiyiyiyiyy (I'm laughing)zuzuzuzuzuzuuzuzu
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@dzelOk!
when a man is set on a course, no amount of persuassion can deter him especially fuelled and blinded by The wicked man.
No further comment. Sir!
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@m'zaco'
she will never say NO to you as long as she can hear some coin sounds ka mo pokothong - it's a win win
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Kgale's money box is full.
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My sister nna i am sorry! ke bashemane baaa...nna i am innocent! they disrespected your hubby....
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Mzaco wa nqala akere, did you see gore o ngotse lebitso la HUSBY jwang? please do some corrections.
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@sweetykkwaaaaaaaaaaaaa!.................kwakwkawkakwakwakwakwa
12,5 Ace maize meal, 25Ltr of cooking oil and le di skopo tse 2 tsa Kolobe!! eish!.............kikikiki
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m'zaco'huSby.........tshwarelo! kikikiki
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I rest my whiskey, ke a go bona o batla go nketsa mpopo wa dikatana. Kikikikikikikikiki o sele shame.
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SWEETYKm'zaco'
huSby.........tshwarelo! kikikiki
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I rest my whiskey, ke a go bona o batla go nketsa mpopo wa dikatana. Kikikikikikikikiki o sele shame
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bathong./............ke sele?? ke entseng mara ...Nna! lol
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Shredder,Other things like the walls of Jericho have been dug out, but not Tyre. Archeologists have tried finding the city of Tyre and have never found it. Good luck if you are going to to try to rebuilt it with them Dzel. It won't happen because The Sovereign LORD has spoken it.
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I prefer you make a specific statement so we can debate the content, you have provided a general statement which makes your statement difficult to respond to.
Be that as it may, to get to Jericho you first have to prove that there was indeed a mass migration from Egypt which there is no proof it occurred. If this did not happen then the 10 commandments are a fallacy and so if this chosen people lie.
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Ok!
when a man is set on a course, no amount of persuassion can deter him especially fuelled and blinded by The wicked man.
No further comment. Sir!
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When in a corner whip out the dreaded Satan, LOL.
Dude there is no Satan, no hell if anything the concept of Satan does not even have its roots in Christianity. Now if you understood the purpose behind the bible you will also understand why a bit a stick was necessary to ensure conformance.
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MORNACH!ES011Zaco talk to me on the other side .......ka pele mokgotse !
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There is something that I don't understand here?
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LESON.1@SWEETYK
you watch too much TV- gona le DSTV ya R20 ka kgedi please hlabologa le wena hleeeeee
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Do you know who killed Tiro ko the Wild? or o sheba ya 107 Mzansi where he's alive?
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Don't take me for granted papa nna HUSBY wa provider sies ka DSTV ya R20.00
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@Dzel/ Shredder:If you are 'living in the moment' and are connected to the source - it won't be difficult to understand the bible -- it will speak to you personally and to your life situation. The Bible is a pointer to the truth - the truth is re-union with God and you access God by journeying within and finding your soul which is essentially you and one with God. Once you are connected, the word is embedded in the connection by default and you do not even need the bible to guide you on what to do. Your conscience will be alive resulting in your consciousness. God cannot be seen with eyes nor comprehended by the mind - he can only be felt right now and here.
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m'zaco'
huSby.........tshwarelo! kikikiki
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I rest my whiskey, ke a go bona o batla go nketsa mpopo wa dikatana. Kikikikikikikikiki o sele shame
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bathong./............ke sele?? ke entseng mara ...Nna! lol
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O sele wena I know you shame.
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BiPolar,If you are 'living in the moment' and are connected to the source - it won't be difficult to understand the bible -- it will speak to you personally and to your life situation. The Bible is a pointer to the truth
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Perhaps we need to rewind to the beginning, please answer the following questions:
1. Who wrote the bible,
2. When, and
3. What was the objective (why)
To make it easier for you let's stick to the old testament where the pillar of religion are found.
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@Dzel - I prefer you make a specific statement so we can debate the content, you have provided a general statement which makes your statement difficult to respond to.=====================================================================
It is not a general statement. Some cities that were destroyed have been found by Archeologists. Yet this one it is stated that it won't be found and it won't rebuilt. It hasn't been found yet. Good luck in rebuilding it because God said it won't be rebuilt.
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@Dzelm'zaco'
@dzel
Ok!
when a man is set on a course, no amount of persuassion can deter him especially fuelled and blinded by The wicked man.
No further comment. Sir!
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When in a corner whip out the dreaded Satan, LOL.
Dude there is no Satan, no hell if anything the concept of Satan does not even have its roots in Christianity. Now if you understood the purpose behind the bible you will also understand why a bit a stick was necessary to ensure conformance.
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The devil is the 'the Mind' - the god of this world - a lot of people live their lives without knowing who they really are - they identify with what they think - achievements (past, present and future) - material. If you achieve great success and still feel empty/hollow or that something is missing - then you are disconnected from the real you (the spirit of God in you) - when you access the real you - all fall into place, you cease to struggle. You emanate peace, you become a Godly force creating and doing great!
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Zaco talk to me on the other side .......ka pele mokgotse !
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There is something that I don't understand here?
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Don't worry that boi is all yours ,but tell me ke nnete gore o le extra large ?ke ra
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MORNACH!ES011SWEETYK
MORNACH!ES011
Zaco talk to me on the other side .......ka pele mokgotse !
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There is something that I don't understand here?
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Don't worry that boi is all yours ,but tell me ke nnete gore o le extra large ?ke ra
condom sesi
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I don't know wena what do you think?
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BiPolar
@Dzel;The prophets wrote the bible: Re: OT
e.g. The 40 year journey from Egypt to Canaanland is symbolic to my 33 years of seeking the God in me and now that i am connected to this God - i live in Canaanland. Regarding the 10 commandments - Christ summed that with the love commandment. When you read the bible - you do not need a literal translation - you need an personal translation - that is why you meditate on the word (reading it aloud repeatedly). People pass through severe circumstances and need the word to encourage them and remind them of what God has done for others and that he could do it for them.
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ShredderIt is not a general statement. Some cities that were destroyed have been found by Archeologists. Yet this one it is stated that it won't be found and it won't rebuilt. It hasn't been found yet. Good luck in rebuilding it because God said it won't be rebuilt.
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What is thought to be the city of Jericho and was excavated show no sign of war, no sign of a raging inferno that brought an entire city down.
I suggest you watch the Bible's Buried Secrets, it will shed light on topics you may be grappling with especially from an archaeological perspective.
Wikipedie: wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible's_Buried_Secrets
"The Land of Canaan (called the Promised Land in the Hebrew Bible) was not taken over by conquest as described in the Book of Joshua - rather, the Israelites actually might have been Canaanites who migrated into the highlands and created a new identity for themselves. Of the 31 sites the Bible says that Joshua conquered, few showed any signs of war. "Joshua really didn't fight the Battle of Jericho," William G. Dever said."
YouTube: youtube.com/watch?v=Yvg2EZAEw5c
It is broken down to 13 episodes around 6 minutes each.
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somaartakeit
Tjo this marathon talk over religion is mentally exhaustive, everyone believes what they chose to believe in as long as htey don't impose such a belief on others, Dzel please understand the Bible thumpers are conditioned and fine tuned into thinking the way they do, to you and me it doesn't make sense but that is how it is,for the big part, are you Christians and Atheists still virgins:-) cause this is what the topic is about.
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Bumboklaat
@Sweetykgo byang my sister? I just wanted to have an idea!
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you watch too much TV- gona le DSTV ya R20 ka kgedi please hlabologa le wena hleeeeee
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Do you know who killed Tiro ko the Wild? or o sheba ya 107 Mzansi where he's alive?
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Don't take me for granted papa nna HUSBY wa provider sies ka DSTV ya R20.00
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Your Husby bought a TV with no buttons and remote so you are using a teespon to press the buttons ka gore di wetse ka gare...........
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Dzel
BiPolar@Dzel;
The prophets wrote the bible: Re: OT
e.g. The 40 year journey from Egypt to Canaanland is symbolic to my 33 years of seeking the God in me and now that i am connected to this God - i live in Canaanland.
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Which prophets exactly?
Easy one-liners do not amount to an answer.
By the way there is nothing symbolic of the great trek, to say one is symbolic serves one purpose and that is to avoid the burden of proof.
So what is symbolic exactly, the 10 commandments?
Are you telling me that there never was a Moses?
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@m'zaco'Wena, did you enjoyed your mala mogodu ?
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private parts?? what private parts,,, that name no longer exist ,, ladies show show their nyashh!! everywhere and guys always willing to show their dicks,, c'mon peeps let them galz been inspected after all its their choice,,last friday it was NO PANTIES DAY and it was nice walking around town with none, whoooooooooo !!!
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Dzel
somaartakeitTjo this marathon talk over religion is mentally exhaustive, everyone believes what they chose to believe in as long as htey don't impose such a belief on others, Dzel please understand the Bible thumpers are conditioned
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This is my problem.
Christians like WordofGod think they have a right to impose religion on me and when I respond and state what I believe and why people get uncomfortable.
Isn't being a "born again" seen as some form of validation or a badge of honour?
Perhaps I should also knock on doors and impose my views on them.
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@Dzel, you must please understand where 'wordofgod' comes from she is a bible thumper without any original thought cause she has not researched what she wants to impose on others as a superior belief, hence I said this type of ppl are conditioned and fine tuned there is nothing you can do about/against that conditioning, they only push forth the dogma handed to them by the pastor mboro and others like that.Report Abuse
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SWEETYKdont entertain this man!!!.........i am back
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@DJ WINNERme me me,, i am not a virging by birth ,, but mine is still tight like a virgin *hot cake*
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Shredder
@somaartakeit - Dzel please understand the Bible thumpers are conditioned and fine tuned into thinking the way they do, to you and me it doesn't make sense but that is how it is,=======================================================================
It is just like atheists. You are right about one thing, "that is how it is".
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@Dzel;Don't beleive everything you read. Take what resonates as truth to you based on your level of evolution or phase you passing through. Christ whom the Christian follows said we are not under the law - the only commandment he gave was that we love ourselves and each other. it stands to reason if you love someone you will not hurt/harm another person as outlined in the ten commandments.
I have also indicated that the bible is not the ultimate truth - but a pointer to the truth. and the truth is reconnecting with the God in you. The sum and substance of the Gospel of Christ is Faith. Also note that since the bible is a pointer, there are many other pointers/religions: Tao, Hindi, Islam, African spiritism etc: are all pointing to the fact that there is a God in us who is one with the universal God.
The latter is the sum and substance of all religions irrespective of their differences and practices.
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@Bigbooty@DJ WINNER
me me me,, i am not a virging by birth ,, but mine is still tight like a virgin *hot cake*
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Hey lare totedisa lena man, le di username tsa lena dia totedisa!
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@Bigbootyprivate parts?? what private parts,,, that name no longer exist ,, ladies show show their nyashh!! everywhere and guys always willing to show their dicks,, c'mon peeps let them galz been inspected after all its their choice,,
last friday it was NO PANTIES DAY and it was nice walking around town with none, whoooooooooo !!!
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you strike me as a f@cked up person mentally, physically and emotionally, Naija people have finished you --- you even know the word 'Nyash = Big Booty' -
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somaartakeit
@Dzel every now and then I visit church to be social you know and of course to do business with the perishners afterall what harm can that be if I involve God in my business, anyway some of the stories one gets to you from these ppl, that they were saved from being, most commonly place they are being saved from is from themselves ie makign bad choices which result in them being abused by their spouses, some are hopeless the church is to them a means of survival, their will power has been broken down by whatever experiences they had in their lives, so the only salvation they are told is to thump the good book, when if the pastors were honest they should tell them to sort their issues, I used to know this lady, she was a WatchTower, you know she used family money for anything except for what it was intended for, her husband worked for 20yrs as a bus driver, her daughter who was my friend in the middle of a divorce, instead of being a mother and support her daughter and be honest to her husband about their pending financial crisis, she went to church and pray, in the church she was convinced by some of the 'brothers & sisters' that God will reveal a plan to her problems, 6 months later their house was repossessed, if anything her church helped her to deceive her family, cause she said to me, they knew about pending repo, but everyone who knew except her husband, looked at the poor guy in the face every Sunday and other day her husband came to church and didn't have a courage to be honest with him, so the poor guy was taken by a huge surprise that the house he called his for more than 20yrs was to be repossessed cause his wife used family finances irresponsibly.Report Abuse
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@BigNYash;I am sure you are one of those people who lost their virginity twice; first their 'p@ssy' was disvirgined, then their '@rse' -- don't pretend to be virgin mary
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So my concl about the bible and over religious ppl is that they use the bible to hide from reality.Report Abuse
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Dzelm'zaco'
@dzel
Ok!
when a man is set on a course, no amount of persuassion can deter him especially fuelled and blinded by The wicked man.
No further comment. Sir!
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When in a corner whip out the dreaded Satan, LOL.
Dude there is no Satan, no hell if anything the concept of Satan does not even have its roots in Christianity. Now if you understood the purpose behind the bible you will also understand why a bit a stick was necessary to ensure conformance.
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hey monna do you believe in GOD????
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Dzel
ShredderIt is just like atheists. You are right about one thing, "that is how it is".
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Atheists base their position on facts, Christians on faith.
While there is little doubt Christ was a real person who lived at the time it was claimed he lived and that he was crucified it is the little things around his existence that were doctored.
Be that as it may you can try reading up on the topic and i'll gladly assist with pointing to the right material but I get the sense you don't want to find out arguments against religion since you are comfortable with what you think you know.
Truth is it is fear of the unknown that keeps people religious, one day we will all found out we were scammed by people who claim a moral authority. In their defense many really do believe in the existence of god and many are also aware they are lying to the public.
People we can explain and replicate something as complicated as fusion - how the sun generates its energy - yet we are insecure enough to seek solace in a being that does not exist.
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dont entertain this man!!!.........i am back
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Bonang you want to take over my Monthly responsibilities ? u got guts------morena
wena shame you not going to make it cos you dnt even have a Fridge where you stay - you put all your groceries on top of your waldrope ka swart sak......
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Little_DudeDzel
m'zaco'
@dzel
Ok!
when a man is set on a course, no amount of persuassion can deter him especially fuelled and blinded by The wicked man.
No further comment. Sir!
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When in a corner whip out the dreaded Satan, LOL.
Dude there is no Satan, no hell if anything the concept of Satan does not even have its roots in Christianity. Now if you understood the purpose behind the bible you will also understand why a bit a stick was necessary to ensure conformance.
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hey monna do you believe in GOD????
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i reverse my question obviously you dont believe in GOD. i can see you only believe what you can see and touch, in fact its not believe rather a FACT. YOU WANT FACTS NOT BELIEVE.
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Bumboklaat@Sweetyk
go byang my sister? I just wanted to have an idea!
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Go sharp go yang Bumbos?
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you watch too much TV- gona le DSTV ya R20 ka kgedi please hlabologa le wena hleeeeee
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Do you know who killed Tiro ko the Wild? or o sheba ya 107 Mzansi where he's alive?
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Don't take me for granted papa nna HUSBY wa provider sies ka DSTV ya R20.00
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Your Husby bought a TV with no buttons and remote so you are using a teespon to press the buttons ka gore di wetse ka gare...........
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O tsaya HUSBY botsatsa neh? do you know gore a ka go reka le wena?
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@Dzel - Truth is it is fear of the unknown that keeps people religious, one day we will all found out we were scammed by people who claim a moral authority.=======================================================================
Let's put it this way Dzel; one day we DIE will find out the truth. Whether we will disappear poof!! just like that or we will indeed meet the Almighty God :)
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@Annhey @Bumblokats
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Hey babes! ho jwang? Maezi okae?*worried*
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Dzel
BiPolarI have also indicated that the bible is not the ultimate truth - but a pointer to the truth. and the truth is reconnecting with the God in you.
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Funny thing is what you are saying is what the gospel of Thomas - which never made the cut and was therefore excluded in the final version religious scholars and the Romans settled on - says but Christianity is very clear. According to Christianity god is made up of the holy trinity and as John 3:16 says if you want to meet god then be buddies with Jesus.
You are contradicting scripture BiPolar, this is what happens when one relies on interpretation; it is called the broken telephone line syndrome.
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@LIttle Dude there is nothing wrong with having believing in something even if that is a cat or God whatever you want to call it, but what is a problem is when ppl start to say whatever it is they believe in is going to give them some magic powers to solve their issues, we must get into these beliefs sober so that we are not deluded or taken for granted by preditors who usually prey on the vulnerable and lazy to think, look at how Mboro is exploiting belief? what is sad many believe him? look at how that McCauwley guys is milking his congruent, if religion was given for free by Jesus Christ why are his followers selling it? Mna I have always had a problem especially with religious brokers disguised as priests/pastors etc who siphon funds of their followers in some instances corruptly or under false pretense and then some are so arrogant they make their followers feel guilty for not giving money to the church, I used to know a woman who used to give all her money to the church whilst her kids at home starved, this is like those men playing cards game in the centre of JHB who give their victims hope and then rob them.It is particularly annoying cause most ppl who fall prey to these religious predators are usually ppl who do not have the means.
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Wena, did you enjoyed your mala mogodu ?
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What did you eat wena ka gore o ntse o phinya tlala moo?
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@Dzel - Truth is it is fear of the unknown that keeps people religious, one day we will all found out we were scammed by people who claim a moral authority.=======================================================================
Let's put it this way Dzel; one day when we DIE will find out the truth. Whether we will disappear poof!! just like that or we will indeed meet the Almighty God :)
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Finally if the poor read more literature that is empowering with knowledge to survive in the real world they all would have their doctorate degrees now, but no they had to waste hours reading useless and outdated stuff from the bible some even study this BS to university level, heheheheReport Abuse
BiPolar
@Dzel:yet we are insecure enough to seek solace in a being that does not exist.
God exists: he is spirit ( the breath of life (air)) - you also have a spirit-being joined to your body - (made in the likeness of God) when you die - that spirit disconnects with your body and returns to the air/spirit realm to God. God/Air penetrates the interspaces of the universe - he is therefore omnipresent.
Your mind: is the devil (God's creation) and thinks it knows too much and prevents you from acknowledging God and His reality. I have come to experience God in another dimension that no one will tell me otherwise.
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people will you STFU ka religion already? le re tshwarisa boroko le mala man!Report Abuse
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m'zaco'SWEETYK
dont entertain this man!!!.........i am back
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O ntse o emetse metsi go boiler, via mogodu kikikikikikikikiki motlogele oo don't worry ka yena.
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Zaco talk to me on the other side .......ka pele mokgotse !
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There is something that I don't understand here?
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Don't worry that boi is all yours ,but tell me ke nnete gore o le extra large ?ke ra
condom sesi
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I don't know wena what do you think?
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Nne ke nagana gore o wa maragoo a magolo ,entlik wena o model woo ke go
ratago kudu blind ....i love u babes !
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Hey babes! ho jwang? Maezi okae?*worried*
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ke sharp dear, Maezi ba mo reipile o tshwere ke di piles nou
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@Shredder@Dzel - Truth is it is fear of the unknown that keeps people religious, one day we will all found out we were scammed by people who claim a moral authority.
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Let's put it this way Dzel; one day when we DIE will find out the truth. Whether we will disappear poof!! just like that or we will indeed meet the Almighty God :)
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The Muslim boys found out the hard way after blowing themselves to pieces in the premise that they will be rewarded with (is it 17 virgins) in heaven, only to realise that their broken bodies are no use to virgins, I mean really common sense guys, live your life now and live it well cause the only legacy you are leaving behind is the one that your kids should not have to feel ashamed of.
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somaartakeitFinally if the poor read more literature that is empowering with knowledge to survive in the real world they all would have their doctorate degrees now, but no they had to waste hours reading useless and outdated stuff from the bible some even study this BS to university level, hehehehe
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If we read as vigorously as we read the bible we would be a great nation; instead we want to believe we live passive lives controlled by this great puppet master in control of everything we do. there are 7 billion individuals on earth, do seriously believe this one god listens to every prayer especially where there is a cacophony of noise and people think god is listening to their prayer.
Let me stop, if people want to believe in a non-existent god then it is their indaba I suppose.
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Hey babes! ho jwang? Maezi okae?*worried*
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ke sharp dear, Maezi ba mo reipile o tshwere ke di piles nou
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kikikikiki! LOL! kwaaaaaaaaakwaaaaaaaa! Hei o mpolaelang mara? so go sharp re ka bolela, ne ke tshaba go re a ka nkitimisa ka lephanga ge ke bolela le wena!
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dont entertain this man!!!.........i am back
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Bonang you want to take over my Monthly responsibilities ? u got guts------morena
wena shame you not going to make it cos you dnt even have a Fridge where you stay - you put all your groceries on top of your waldrope ka swart sak......
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Kikikikikikiki wa tella shame, o kena le kolobe ka kerekeng. O phaphela Mzaco
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dont entertain this man!!!.........i am back
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O ntse o emetse metsi go boiler, via mogodu kikikikikikikikiki motlogele oo don't worry ka yena.
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Mogodu wa Pudi - shooooo ke ya go tshaba morena - where did you get it ?
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MORNACH!ES011SWEETYK
MORNACH!ES011
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MORNACH!ES011
Zaco talk to me on the other side .......ka pele mokgotse !
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There is something that I don't understand here?
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Don't worry that boi is all yours ,but tell me ke nnete gore o le extra large ?ke ra
condom sesi
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I don't know wena what do you think?
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Nne ke nagana gore o wa maragoo a magolo ,entlik wena o model woo ke go
ratago kudu blind ....i love u babes !
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Blash blash blash
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Dzel
BiPolarYour mind: is the devil (God's creation) and thinks it knows too much and prevents you from acknowledging God and His reality. I have come to experience God in another dimension that no one will tell me otherwise.
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Please share, what happened and why haven't the rest of us been so fortunate.
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@Dzel sometimes I want to entertain or I shld say keep an open mind about God's existance,but then I see all these ppl who are supposed to teach us how to behave in a Godly most them full of hate, I made a list most hate crimes are justified using religion, and I am wondering if God does really exist, why has he not sorted out these ppl who are lying killing and hating in his/her name? Cause mina if I were God and I am misrepresented in this way I wld kick @rse already, I also fail to understand that why religious ppl fail to protect their 'brand' (for a lack of a better word) ie religion from the predators like Mboro any many others who are fornicating and stealing and disregarding the 10 commandments, I sometimes feel depressed on behalf of Jesus for all the things his followers are doing on his behalf. Look a the homosexual hate, burning of the witches, sex scandals covered by in church by Roman Catholics, strife in Northern Island (IRA) and all the violent cockups happening around the world in the name of religion, really Jesus Christ must start kicking some butts to curb for soiling his brand, if he expects to be taken serious.Report Abuse
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@Ann,How are mi chocolate rice ?....wen are cuming for a hot round of sex ?
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@somaartakeit - I mean really common sense guys, live your life now and live it well cause the only legacy you are leaving behind is the one that your kids should not have to feel ashamed of.======================================================================
But really now. Should my kids be ashamed that I am a Christian?
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@MORNACH!ES011@Ann,
How are mi chocolate rice ?....wen are cuming for a hot round of sex ?
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Back off wena le motsila wao nkga snoek!
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@DzelIf we read as vigorously as we read the bible we would be a great nation; instead we want to believe we live passive lives controlled by this great puppet master in control of everything we do. there are 7 billion individuals on earth, do seriously believe this one god listens to every prayer especially where there is a cacophony of noise and people think god is listening to their prayer.
Let me stop, if people want to believe in a non-existent god then it is their indaba I suppose
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The worlds were created out of God's mouth - the words you speak creates your world and your reality. When you pray: you are programming in the air (God) that gives life to everything that liveth. Wherever you go, people and things will treat you according to what is available in the universal wireless network (and you will attract things that harmonize with what you think and say).
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DzelIts better to believe there is a God out there somewhere than not and then find out there is actually a God!
One other thing, do not ridicule and disrespect other people's choice of belief or lifestyle. You dont believe there is a God,some do. So respect that and live your life according to your own standards.Do not think that you are better than Christians in any way. You are not better than the next person just because you have a "better understanding" of life than that of other people. You cant know everything in life ,acknowledge that in life as human beings we will never see things the same way. Respect! Respect! Respect!
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I’ve just seen jesus.......oops...it’s my imagination....sorry to disappoint...!!!Report Abuse
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You too dn't need any transactions - you too exicted today cos you got paid via shop-rite money market-
You manager just send you both your REF No and Pin..... You'll withdraw ko to the nearest shopping complex gele eya gae.............@m'zaco' dn't forget to buy Sadie roll on.........
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@DzelI'm seriously in awe of you...you are just one of the most complex people I've ever encountered!
I kind of envision you as the cartoon "Megamind" with that big frontal lobe...because of all the knowledge that you spew.
Seriously in awe!
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@DZEL and what makes you think your reasoning of life is better than other people's? there is no formular to life. Different strokes for different folks!Dont compare yourself To God,dont redicule GOD whether you believe in Him or Not. You are inviting curses in your life and thtas when you will understand and feel the presence of God who you publicly ridicule as He is one of your friends! Be warned my brother!
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You too dn't need any transactions - you too exicted today cos you got paid via shop-rite money market-
You manager just send you both your REF No and Pin..... You'll withdraw ko to the nearest shopping complex gele eya gae.............@m'zaco' dn't forget to buy Sadie roll on.........
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qoqoqoqoqoqpipipipipipipipipipkukukukukukuku where is Galfrend.
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@Nakeddo you think your "God" is unhappy with your choice of name my snookums....start by respecting yourself and your god....dont be a living example of what we call...let's think....an oxymoron!!
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hey gals.....are ya'll gud.....?
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@MzacoKikikikikikikiki aaaaaaa swaaaaaa where are you?
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Come on guys, let us not try to make Dzel feel guilty for having knowledge which he selflessly share with us, Dzel didnt' say anything about his belief/views being superior more than he brought facts to back his position, the other side are relying on the myth and mystery which is baffling us, Dzel well done for presenting your argument in the simplest form thus enabling even those of us who are not science fans to understand your reasoning, you know I don't always agree with you, but in this case you make a solid and strong argument its hard to disagree with the facts you brought to the table, the others side must still bring us facts not allegations and claims which can not be proven,Report Abuse
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hey gals.....are ya'll gud.....?
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Hey tsala, long time chomma I'm good and you?
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Kikikikikikikiki aaaaaaa swaaaaaa where are you?
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He is facked - he forgot that at shop-rite they need his ID book
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somaartakeit
@Bamboklaat kindly re-read my post to which you respond, cause then you will realise that no where did I say one's children will be ashamed if their parents were Christians, more than I say we each (instead of believing in myth) need to live our lives now in as cleanest possible way, cause then we wanna leave behind a legacy that will not be shameful for our kids.For instance if you look at Shiceka we will always remember him as the guy who abused his position to visit one of his many girl friends and drug mule of note in Switzerland prison at tax payers expense, he further took his hookas pookas doctors with him and booked him in a hotel at our expense, its a shameful legacy this, wouldn't you say?
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SWEETYK
LESON.1SWEETYK
@Mzaco
Kikikikikikikiki aaaaaaa swaaaaaa where are you?
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He is facked - he forgot that at shop-rite they need his ID book
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kikikikikikikikiki wa bora weitsi lol o phphela mzaco mara why?
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Candyboy
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@SWEETYK
@iWOman
hey gals.....are ya'll gud.....?
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Hey tsala, long time chomma I'm good and you?
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am super as always ma cheesecake....why u luking for zaco's....HUSBY gonna deal with you later, dont luk for trouble mos.
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somaartakeit
sorry Bambo that message was meant for Shredder:-)Report Abuse
LESON.1
@somaartakeitCome on guys, let us not try to make Dzel feel guilty for having knowledge which he selflessly share with us, Dzel didnt' say anything about his belief/views being superior more than he brought facts to back his position, the other side are relying on the myth and mystery which is baffling us, Dzel well done for presenting your argument in the simplest form thus enabling even those of us who are not science fans to understand your reasoning, you know I don't always agree with you, but in this case you make a solid and strong argument its hard to disagree with the facts you brought to the table, the others side must still bring us facts not allegations and claims which can not be proven,
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ha ha ha ha i knew this will come- go ahead make him feel guilty- he talks too much more like------------------------------------------------------------ (an Indian dude reading Tswana news ....................
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Candyboy
@somaartakeithello my love....you enthrall me cup cake....*winksing you*
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SWEETYK
Candyboy@SWEETYK
Candyboy
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@iWOman
hey gals.....are ya'll gud.....?
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Hey tsala, long time chomma I'm good and you?
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am super as always ma cheesecake....why u luking for zaco's....HUSBY gonna deal with you later, dont luk for trouble mos.
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He ran away from Leson1 or keng tsala ke wena Mzaco. He disappeared the go tlhaga wena.
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somaartakeit
@Lesson1 no I can't make him feel guilty he speaks sense, mine is to investigate validity of his views using the websites he quoted, nje being typical SAn we suffer from (ucabanga ukuba ungcono) yhazi i inferiority complex maar.@Candyboy hi there gorgeous, did you have a nice one? mine was hectic but am okay now that you've cum in:-)
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SWEETYK
somaartakeit@Lesson1 no I can't make him feel guilty he speaks sense, mine is to investigate validity of his views using the websites he quoted, nje being typical SAn we suffer from (ucabanga ukuba ungcono) yhazi i inferiority complex maar.
@Candyboy hi there gorgeous, did you have a nice one? mine was hectic but am okay now that you've cum in:-)
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Wa phapha tlogela taba tsa batho marata helelele, Dzel is stressing you neh--- just asking?
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LESON.1
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@Mzaco
Kikikikikikikiki aaaaaaa swaaaaaa where are you?
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He is facked - he forgot that at shop-rite they need his ID book
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kikikikikikikikiki wa bora weitsi lol o phphela mzaco mara why?
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go home wena Husby o go reketse mekonotwana
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SWEETYK
LESON.1@SWEETYK
@LESON.1
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@Mzaco
Kikikikikikikiki aaaaaaa swaaaaaa where are you?
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He is facked - he forgot that at shop-rite they need his ID book
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kikikikikikikikiki wa bora weitsi lol o phphela mzaco mara why?
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go home wena Husby o go reketse mekonotwana
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O daily sun ya matlho shame.
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somaartakeit
@SweetyK why would Dzel stress me? I am never stressed by other person stating his/her views especially if as in Dzel's case such views are sound and backed up with evidence, truth or knowledge should not be threat SAns pleaseReport Abuse
LESON.1
@SWEETYKBey bey
tweeeeeeeeee tweeeeeeeeeee tweeeeeeeeeeeee tweeeeeeeeeee
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somaartakeit
@Leson1 so then your employer's broadband has now been shut down, ooh well, sizothini, lolReport Abuse
Dzel
Iyo talk about a quick interview, but if you know your stuff you know your stuff.Ok where are we?
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Dzel
iWOman@Dzel
I'm seriously in awe of you...you are just one of the most complex people I've ever encountered!
I kind of envision you as the cartoon "Megamind" with that big frontal lobe...because of all the knowledge that you spew.
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Hehehehe,
I look normal. I hope.... too much reading and watching documentaries I suppose.
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SWEETYK
somaartakeit@SweetyK why would Dzel stress me? I am never stressed by other person stating his/her views especially if as in Dzel's case such views are sound and backed up with evidence, truth or knowledge should not be threat SAns please
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This comment was meant for Leson1 not you love I'm sorry ga ka staita no nono no not you.
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SWEETYK
LESON.1@SWEETYK
Bey bey
tweeeeeeeeee tweeeeeeeeeee tweeeeeeeeeeeee tweeeeeeeeeee
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Thanks for logging off tsek!!!
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Dzel
BiPolarThe worlds were created out of God's mouth - the words you speak creates your world and your reality.
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No, a bunch of guys sat around the table and decided what is acceptable and what isn't. The bible is doctored my friend up to deciding which scriptures fit the purpose and which to discard.
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Dzel
Naked@DZEL and what makes you think your reasoning of life is better than other people's? there is no formular to life. Different strokes for different folks!
Dont compare yourself To God,dont redicule GOD whether you believe in Him or Not.
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It is not my reasoning Naked, it is research that has been validated and proven to be true.
Planet Earth was created 4.75 billion years ago; carbon dating of the oldest rocks ever found dates then at 4.2 billion years ago. When did god create earth then?
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somaartakeit
@SweetyK no worries kiddo:-)Report Abuse
SWEETYK
somaartakeit@SweetyK no worries kiddo:-)
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No probs, employers broadband shuts up kikikikikikikiki until tomorrow enjoy the rest of the hours. More especially tsela tsa bosigo B.J kikikikikiki LOVE U ALL.
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Dzel
SWEETYKWa phapha tlogela taba tsa batho marata helelele, Dzel is stressing you neh--- just asking?
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He banna, what does Dzel have to do with anything?
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Dzel
somaartakeit@Dzel sometimes I want to entertain or I shld say keep an open mind about God's existance,but then I see all these ppl who are supposed to teach us how to behave in a Godly most them full of hate, I made a list most hate crimes are justified using religion,
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Once it was generally accepted that the world is fact, one day we will all come to accept that there is no god.
You see when something is not based on fact then it is easy to dispel but even the most skeptical of human being has to accept reality one day.
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Cure
Most of you empty heads are facing serious identity crisis, you lost souls with no culture, no morals, no values, let people do what they want, those girls do this voluntarily, most of you b*tches lost their viginity at the age of 12 no wonder you envy these young respectful beautiful flowers of our nation. Africans its time you take back what was taken away from you,self respect and identity!!!!Report Abuse
Bigbooty
@ bipolar ,, did u forget your medication today, u seem to be going bananas, i am repeating my statement we r leaving in a naked world dude, u r just being ignorant u know exactly what i mean.Report Abuse
Masta-mind
FBI (female body inspector) is in the house. where are ladies so that i can test their virginity.Report Abuse
PhantomLimb
You'd swear the Zulu's are the only tribe in the world with some sort of discernable culture. They prance around claiming everything is culture as if culture is exclusive to them. Their king can only be described as a cartoon character (popeye). And what proof can they provide to support their claim that this testing actually prevents teen pregnacy? Abstainance prevents pregancy not testing, can't they focus on teaching those kids to abstain instead of probing them violating their privacy and humanity? This kids are naive and have no idea how this might affect them socially & emotionally in the long run. Disgusting practice!!Report Abuse
Dzel
Phantom,And what proof can they provide to support their claim that this testing actually prevents teen pregnacy? Abstainance prevents pregancy not testing, can't they focus on teaching those kids to abstain instead of probing them violating their privacy and humanity?
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I think you need to take a moment, think about the above statement and see if you still think it makes sense after 5 minutes.
Abstinence is the objective, testing is the method to ensure compliance; the two are linked.
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Masta-mind
@PhntomLimb.virginity testing will never prevent teen pregnancy coz it is one's choice to have sex or not. u can preach abstinence, but not everyone would exercise that. govt has been preaching ABC but still pregnancy rate is still high. this shows that people choose to do what they want to do regardless of knowing the consequences they gonna bear afterwards. this is not disgusting rather cultural practise that promotes and urges young woman to stay pure till marriage.
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PhantomLimb
@Masta-mind & Dzel You guys view it differently and I hear both your arguments. I still think it's not the cleanest practice out there though. I think what it does and I'm talking from experience here is that it makes sex for girls that much more apealing. I grew up in Durban and I went to High School with a few girls who were tested every year, needless to say but they fall off the wagon pretty easily if I can call it that.Report Abuse
zazezizozuzoooooooooooooooooo
@DzelYes it did lower my self esteem because if I was late from school for 30 minutes to an hour for whatever reason, she would ask me to bring the mat so she could exemine me, she would say this infront of my male siblings, and they would tease me about it. I am the one who was subjected to theh horrible and outdated culture, if it happened to you, and you don't have a problem with it, it's fine.
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zazezizozuzoooooooooooooooooo
I would like to withdraw my words, calling the virgin testers witches, but I don't think those women are really ok upstairs.Report Abuse
walter4life
I'm not a Zulu but a Venda but i encourage this practice 110%. Tenaage pregancy is leading to school drop-outs which contribute to number of uneducated youth. All the African cultures must follow suite. We don't have 2 only embrass the White innitiatives but also good black innitiatives. It'll reduce the level of AIDS also.Report Abuse
walter4life
These kids want to be found pure when getting tested so by so doing they abstain from sex & that leads to low tenaage pregnancy & STIs.Report Abuse
FUNNYBWOY
DJWINNER OR DJLOSER! HEY ZULU BWOY. SOTHOS AND XHOSAS DID NOT WRITTE THE ARTICLE. ALL BATHO BA BOROA HAVE TRADITIONS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO EACH OTHER.THE PROBLEM WITH KWA-ZULU AND WHY PEOPLE TEASE ZULU'S ITS BECAUSE YOU ARE
TOO SENSITIVE AND MOST OF THE TIME YOU CANT HAVE A CIVIL DEBATE WITHOUT GETTING ANGRY. OK! GREAT KING BROUGHT BACK THE TRADITION, THEY SAME KING WHO BOUGHT A CIRCUMCITION TOOL FROM SINGAPORE FOR 1MILLION?. THE KING SHOULD BE CONCENTRATING ON EDUCATION AND DIALOGUE. HOW CAN THEY TELL IF A GIRL IS A VIRGIN? I JUST WANNT TO KNOW IF THE FONDLLERS KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BASIC BIOLOGY?. ANYWAYS ONLY 20 GIRLZ WENT, I BET THE REST A SMART ENOUGH NOT TO HAVE SOME OLD LADY STICK FINGERS WHERE THEY ARE NOT SIPPOSED TO. WHAT DOES PROVING A GIRL IS A VIRGIN DO?(SEXISM). AS FOR ME I WANT A GIRL WHO IS LOYAL, EDUCATED. KWAZULU HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST RATES OF HIV INFECTIONS, TEENAGE PRAGNANCY, VIOLANCE, TAXI VIOLENCE. MAYBE IF THE KING CONCENTRATED ON EMPROVING BASIC ISSUES. YEBO! YEBO!
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BushBaby
Back of Vele... Big up on our culture.... Alcohol is the culprit not African Culture. Alcohol brings in 19 Billion per annum in SA but Costs our Government more than 40 Billion Rands... This money goes out in the form ARVz, Hospitalisation Costs, Deaths leaving orphans den social grants Road accident Funds, etc.Addiction to alcohol leads to more drugs addiction den crime in form of rape, break ins, violence, murder.etc costing our gov... Maintenance f prisons. The most department is Dept of Health n SoC Dev n SAPS. Back of our pride n propose heavier sentences for drunken driving, addictive substance abuse n trading, fraud, rape, murder etc..Report Abuse
jackees
I'd like to see virginity testing for men. Sad to see brainwashed women who've bought into being commodities for men to decide their worth.Report Abuse
shaharazad
@DJWinnerYou really do need help, and worst case scenario, you could be knocking on the door of paedophilia. I should have a word with your wife/girlfriend
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MyPot
Zulus Zulus, this people are very strange...., they dont even circumcise, girls Go 4 KZN guys if u willing to commit suicide through HIVReport Abuse
MyPot
zazezizozuzooooooooooooooooooI would like to withdraw my words, calling the virgin testers witches, but I don't think those women are really ok upstairs.
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they are ok upstairs....they are just ZULUS,
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