Papage

Shut up and listen, this are the people who brought you to Power and now, what happened?
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truthhurt

Didnt i hear some one say the YL was silenced?
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Mdala

Sowetan this is old news and this Juju wannabe has been told to sit down or else?
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WakeUpSouthAfrica

Julius remote controlling this tool from the grave.
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hulas

zuma aka chimpazee is a severely compromised leader with no integrity at all.Immediately after his presidency zuma should be send to prison.
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lindsay

olebogeng you are a mogoe Mbeki is from Mvezo now do your homework, Zuma wants recognition and approval in Kzn so why not improve them, he know south africans like his dance moves they won't bother about service delivery isn't that why they voted him in power for because he can danceand sing.
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MicaParis

I personally do not agree with Comrade Zuma's plan to turn Nkandla into a City or even a serious shopping complex. The little village has got nothing to offer for South Africa to warrant that huge leap development. It will be a waste of money for our country because the village will not bring any huge economic or financial gain to the country. Is like buying a sack of oranges with R50 and gaining zero profit out of it because of giving it all away. Now if Mr President does not know about that well that is not how you do business. The money could have been used to rebuild Pilgrimrest in Mpumalanga which have a mine that will contribute to development and healthy business opportunities and also to develop fallen Agricultural land which ceased to operate after expropriation due to lack of skill and financial backlog. This are the problems associated with a leadership which is not educated and have got only one goal which is to loot the Government! But however I do not agree with the ANCYL on the issue of nationalizing mines and other big businesses in the country, the reason is because we do not have money to expropriate as our law does not allow us to expropriate without compensation as such paying for the seized land out of Government pocket will certainly bankrupt the country and most of all we do not have the relevant skill and experience to run those assets should we nationalize we will have a total shutdown and a serious economic disaster!
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KemangBosso

I think this boy has a point here,although under the influence of Julious Malema its now the time that something be done to the spear
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Dandan

MicaParis


we are human beings too like whites at Pilgrem Rest, at Nkandla there are also black kids that we want to see them being CAs,Engineers,Actarians,Economists, etc we suffered a lot during apartheid era where apartheid masters told us we dont desrve electricity,water,and all basic needs. Please Mica stop being inhuman can you be kind a bit like any ordinary woman for that kid at ikandla.
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Flemza

What must Zuma now do wena Lamola advise us , when it was Mandela it was all about Qunu , ok for Mbeki I don`t , what he was doing , I don`t remember anything , For the second Transition , its ok because ANC its realising that past policies they did not work , hence they came up with this document to discuss , this not like our Autocraticconstitutuion which favors a few who did not even vote for ANC if I were u Lamola I will make a massive contribution torwards this document instead of opposing it without an alternative.
My advise Lamola , without alternative and opposing for the sake of opposing , I will just keep quite and stop being a toothless dog
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Secretary

I never thought that Zuma amogst all will do this to the youth. He is a dictating moster with zero political acumen. Why Zuma and ANCYL do not convene a meeting and exhuast thier differences?That itself shows how weak is ANC leadership.
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malemaforpresident

People i saw the pic of nkandla on the front page of Sowetan i couldnt believe that is an empire please lets stop that man i promise i will never vote for the anc again never
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Dandan

Secretary

not informed, Julius was called by the leadership for mentorship programmes , unfortunately he had his personal agendas to make money from anc , instead of being developed politically , practical example when he was told to go to Parliament he refused , why, because he knew he is in th anc for dirty money.
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Mothata

@Sowetan

•This article was first published in the newspaper on 22 June 2012.
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Sowetan at its best. So this means that we will get today's news on Wednesday.
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truthhurt

Flemza
What must Zuma now do wena Lamola advise us , when it was Mandela it was all about Qunu , ok for Mbeki I don`t , what he was doing , I don`t remember anything , For the second Transition , its ok because ANC its realising that past policies they did not work , hence they came up with this document to discuss , this not like our Autocraticconstitutuion which favors a few who did not even vote for ANC if I were u Lamola I will make a massive contribution torwards this document instead of opposing it without an alternative.
My advise Lamola , without alternative and opposing for the sake of opposing , I will just keep quite and stop being a toothless dog
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I dont know what you are smoking? its definitely toxic, Mandela just recently revampted his house in Qunu, and all the cost were covered by his organisation not our tax, second transition is long over due, but thanks to Zuma for bringing it up, he can step down now, and give another Leader who will take us forward a chance.
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Hail

It is not what you say but how you say it that matters. This weekend on my time of exploring SA I went to Taung just to see my country from that side, last I was @ limpopo i just saw a slice of it. The boy has point, South Africa is huge hence it has 9 provinces and you cannot look one side and ignore the other side. The government must do something about the land. It will be enough for every one there is no need to fight or the other part to panic. The other part must be given a share too provided it will be used to benefit the country in terms of producing food.
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Dandan

malemaforpresident
People i saw the pic of nkandla on the front page of Sowetan i couldnt believe that is an empire please lets stop that man i promise i will never vote for the anc again nev
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what are you saying , this is childish.

Dr MN Mandela has a house at Qunu where he visits now and again for health reasons.
Thabo Mbeki built his mansion at Houghton for R10m.

Malema built his bunker for R60m at Sandton , why Zuma should sleep on the tree


what are you people trying to do, what Zuma did wrong to be hated like this, he gave you freedom now you swear/crucify him like Jesus Christ
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Traveljunie

Disband this lot, they are nothing more than a faceless, lot of nobodies.
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Dandan

truthhurt
I dont know what you are smoking? its definitely toxic, Mandela just recently revampted his house in Qunu, and all the cost were covered by his organisation not our tax, second transition is long over due, but thanks to Zuma for bringing it up, he can step down now, and give another Leader who will take us forward a chance.
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my word , what are you saying , can you repeat that in front of AG, geeese , where do you get it, Mandla is still under the payroll of the state until he dies, all expenses are at the state resources
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ThirdEye

If it not Zuma family that is benefiting, it Nkandla. That is the legacy Zuma will leave behind.
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Traveljunie

Dandan, it is time to get over your sentimental feelings of ANC, they are over and done with. They were a liberation party not a freedom progressive party.

It is your kind of thinking that is helping the lot stay in power and afford them the power to keep on plundering our countries wealth.
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Secretary

Dandan
not informed, Julius was called by the leadership for mentorship programmes , unfortunately he had his personal agendas to make money from anc , instead of being developed politically , practical example when he was told to go to Parliament he refused , why, because he knew he is in th anc for dirty money.
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.Is that all you can say? Juju wasting money or generating money from ANC backyard....bla..bla ...bla... My friend you should expand your political vocabulary urgently. Zuma is the one who is busy wasting money now,bcos he is still paying Juju from the grave. Zuma reshuffled his ANC parliament more than five times in one term, married and pregnanted different nonwives and wives at the costs of state. He made series of trips to different countries in the world just to say
"Nationalisation is not our policy “while those countries used telephone enquiring about nationalisation status in RSA. He made unnecessary alliance with very lethal family called"Gupta" in the expense of state funds. He went on making rural Nkandla Hollywood not because of his service delivery potential, but because of favouritism and his selfish culture

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truthhurt

Dandan

my word , what are you saying , can you repeat that in front of AG, geeese , where do you get it, Mandla is still under the payroll of the state until he dies, all expenses are at the state resources
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Prove it!

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Traveljunie

Mandela gets a salary for life from goverment. He will receive protection from the state with bodyguards and such.
All retiring presidents get a salary for life when they step down
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Dandan

Traveljunie
Dandan, it is time to get over your sentimental feelings of ANC, they are over and done with. They were a liberation party not a freedom progressive party.

It is your kind of thinking that is helping the lot stay in power and afford them the power to keep on plundering our countries wealth.
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not you to teach me this hogwash politics, dont come to me with DA politics, who told you the struggle is over, political freedom wasnt our bread and butter,what we fought for was land and econ empowerment
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Mbongo

Is this Lamola a South African? His accent is not South African.
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tumzangwana

ANC Youth League deputy president Ronald Lamola has suggested that President Jacob Zuma does not understand the nation's priorities.
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i agree, it seems like Mr "i know what i'm doing" doesnt understand that he is NOT the president of Kwazulu Natal but he is the president of South Africa.

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Traveljunie

Dandan, and you achieve nothing with that attitude. You are typical the product of our failed education system. your thinking and assumptions just shows your towering intellect to be your biggest FAIL.

what will you do with the land? Can you farm?
You make your economic empowerment, I am sure you ca not even run a shabeen if i have to take your arguments you post here.
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ThrippleGee

This young man Lamola he want to be popular like Juju.........He got nothing to offer except making senseless noices, tired of the Youth League noices. I wonder what their mandates is in this country
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Dandan

Traveljunie
nonsense,rubbish get out of me
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malemaforpresident

@Dandan
You sound like a zoooolu you cant compare Jesus Christ to a Womaniser how is that possible
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Tango

Mbongo
Is this Lamola a South African? His accent is not South African

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Not only his accent but he also doesn't look South African and yet he wants to tell us how to run our country.
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Dandan

@truthhurt
Prove it!
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Const is there read it, Chapter 5, sec 89(2)


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Dandan

Secretary


lol, ok, lets meet at Mangaung eye for eye with you
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malemaforpresident

@Dandan
Prove it i say how do you compare Jesus Christ to a poligamist with 21 Children?
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Dandan

Tango
Not only his accent but he also doesn't look South African and yet he wants to tell us how to run our country.
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kwakwakwakwa tlitltlitltlitli hihihihihihi

its like this guy in KZN called Proteas Madllaa from Swaziland likes to advise how SA should govern yet Sawzis are collapsing
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Theotherguy

@Dandan

we are human beings too like whites at Pilgrem Rest, at Nkandla there are also black kids that we want to see them being CAs,Engineers,Actarians,Economists, etc we suffered a lot during apartheid era where apartheid masters told us we dont desrve electricity,water,and all basic needs. Please Mica stop being inhuman can you be kind

Do you know Daniel Arab Moi late president of Kenya, do you know late laurent Kabila of DRC etc, the list is endless but I guess being an ignorant being you are you will never understand the legacy they left behind...As much as we can hate ANCYL what they are Zuma only cares about his tribe and Inkandla
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Zimboy2

http://www.thezimbabwemail.com/opinion/12320-interview-malema-speaks-to-robert-mugabe-s-media.html
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kulula

I really dont balme Zuma for doing that cos I will definitely do the same. Why should i leave my village undevelop while i have power to? people, come-on, this is reality, why would i continue to drive in a dusty road if i can turn up things with a snap of a finger. I would do anything and everything to develop where i come from. thats why some youths as Seshego turned against Juju because he forgot where he came from
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Dandan

Theotherguy


for the sake of Arab Moi etc does that mean Nkadla must nt be developed , your problem is that you compared apples and tomatoes, those countries are completey different from SA, SA has Prov with premiers , Municipalities why those institutions are nt developing their provinces, how much pravin is splashing evry yr to those provinces, does the money allocated by Zuma , mcxxxm

Why did ask Julius about R60m bunker yet children in Limp dont have books
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truthhurt

Dandan
@truthhurt
Prove it!
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Const is there read it, Chapter 5, sec 89(2)
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Nothing like that in the constitution, i have it in front of me, Stop making fallacious, unfunded statements, it will get you in trouble one day.
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Traveljunie

Dandan, answer my question, can you farm? Have you ever managed anything more that going to the toilet?

You sound like a Zulu ANC sheep that can not think for themselves.
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Tikoloshe

....this money is better spent on the poor communities and the kids of Nkandla then stolen by Malema, Mothale and his cronies to buy 16 million homes in Sandton while the kids in Limpopo learn under Marula trees and still have no books half way through 2012!!.

Please Msholozi, we want these guys arrested Nge manje!!!!!
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Dandan

kulula
I really dont balme Zuma for doing that cos I will definitely do the same. Why should i leave my village undevelop while i have power to? people, come-on, this is reality, why would i continue to drive in a dusty road if i can turn up things with a snap of a finger. I would do anything and everything to develop where i come from. thats why some youths as Seshego turned against Juju because he forgot where he came from
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well said, beautiful woman, its not only the politicians even the business people ,CEOs etc have turn their back on areas where they come from, I know one of the prosperous wine maker who is now located in CT yet is from Nongoma Sbu Ntshangase , there is nothing is doing in Nongoma to aspire upcoming entrepreneurs, I dont understand why with bl.acks have to be fakes,get attracted to materials innovated by whit.es instead of creating our own world like Zuma in order to prove a point that we are capable.

All these people here balaming Zuma are typical example of apartheid victims that bla.cks are inacapable.
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Dandan

truthhur
you are a joke Im nt here to teach you how to interpret legislation the par reads "........may not receive any benefits of that office , and may not serve in any public office." if at this time of yr dont know that Pres and DP qualifies for life benefits , stay away from me , blutty fool


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Theotherguy

@Dandan


for the sake of Arab Moi etc does that mean Nkadla must nt be developed , your problem is that you compared apples and tomatoes, those countries are completey different from SA, SA has Prov with premiers , Municipalities why those institutions are nt developing their provinces, how much pravin is splashing evry yr to those provinces, does the money allocated by Zuma , mcxxxm

Why did ask Julius about R60m bunker yet children in Limp dont have books

Did you get the gist of my point about Daniel Arab Moi and Laurent Kabila......your point that Kenya and DRC are not the same as South Africa exposes your lack of understanding of African politics. Do you know that Zimbabwe(Mugabe) was fomerly known as jewel of Africa (I can almost hear you saying that South Africa will never be Zimbabwe), DRC is a potential goldmine because of the natural resources it possess, Angola is suppose to be a developed state (Dos Santos) but because of sectarian tendencies only presidents and his cronies tribes is flourishing, Ecquitaorial Guinea the oil there is massive but.......whats happening in Nigeria (South and North, Islam vs Christianity). And blind masses will say South Africa will never ever,,,ever be like those states. It starts like these and people like us are called prophet of doom
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truthhurt

Dandan
kulula
I really dont balme Zuma for doing that cos I will definitely do the same. Why should i leave my village undevelop while i have power to? people, come-on, this is reality, why would i continue to drive in a dusty road if i can turn up things with a snap of a finger. I would do anything and everything to develop where i come from. thats why some youths as Seshego turned against Juju because he forgot where he came from
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well said, beautiful woman, its not only the politicians even the business people ,CEOs etc have turn their back on areas where they come from, I know one of the prosperous wine maker who is now located in CT yet is from Nongoma Sbu Ntshangase , there is nothing is doing in Nongoma to aspire upcoming entrepreneurs, I dont understand why with bl.acks have to be fakes,get attracted to materials innovated by whit.es instead of creating our own world like Zuma in order to prove a point that we are capable.

All these people here balaming Zuma are typical example of apartheid victims that bla.cks are inacapable.
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I will asume that the two of you are Zulus or come from KZN, my respond is short.

If you want to give back to the community then do it at your own expense, not tax payers money. Zuma's house looks like Sun City, how is that going to benefit an ordinary man in street?
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Dandan

Theotherguy

listen , you keep on putting your fears in your brain, those countries you talk about completely differs with SA in terms of Constitutions, I would hear you to say SA was like those countries under aprtheid nt under democratic dispensation.
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pervert

VIP: VUMA IDIOT PRESIDENT


AGREED LAMOLA
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MSG_S

ANC Youth League deputy president Ronald Lamola has suggested that President Jacob Zuma does not understand the nation's priorities.
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Although this may sound true but my boy you are reckless and lack foresight so much so that Zuma has just emphassised that there will be those who are going to be dicsiplined accordinglly come Mangaung. I would say you are one of those going to face the action even before your ANCYL elects new leadership.Anyway I never liked you and I don't care.
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cocolucho

@traveljunie
There is no need for you to insult dandan's education because you dont know what education he has got. He may be a successful doctor for all you know. So please stop with this thing of insulting anc supporters that dont agree with you. And thats the huge problem that some people have with da supporters. The fact that you think that you are superior to others.
@dandan. We are not saying that his home town should not be developed and naturally anyone would want to make sure that their hometown develops. What we are saying though is that it is unfair for such huge development to only occur there, whilst there are many other places in sa that could also use some development.
I dont agree with the youth league on nationalisation at this point it wont help
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Dandan

truthhurt
If you want to give back to the community then do it at your own expense, not tax payers money. Zuma's house looks like Sun City, how is that going to benefit an ordinary man in street?
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now you change your argument since I have outclass you in Const interpreations, again , that is his benefits ito Const in the Const nothing said he must have limit to what , I can see your big problem reading with understanding the law.

Why didnt ask Julius about R60m bunker at Sandton
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Dandan

cocolucho
thats my argument I have with you blac.k people, why the infrastracture should go to whi.te areas , cannt we do our own space otherthan following whit.es whereevr they sh!t
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somaartakeit

Well done ancyl keep the momentum up, whilst zuma faction refuses to open succession debate so we can have a fair chance of knowing who will rule us we must facilitate debate over failures during his tenure, we must make sure that no one is in doubt about his incompetence and lack ability to prioritise our national issues, therefore he doesn't deserve second term which him and ace mogashule are campaigning about.

Finally you ancyl, owe us (at least) that you correct polokwane mistake you imposed on the rest of us, you must fiercely fight to have zuma removed as you had him made a president, zuma is a fatty stain in our democracy, please let's remove it.
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somaartakeit

Good morning dear Cocolucho, I have received your addy, will post asap, I have had a hectic week-end which I am still recovering from, but I had to set time aside this morning to help my fellow SAn to save SA from the corrupt anc alibabas.
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malemaforpresident

THAT EMPIRE IS SORROUNDED BY MUD HOUSES WITHOUT ELECTRICITY LET ALONE CLEAN RUNNING WATER AND THEY DONT EVEN RELATE THEMSELVES AS NEIGHBOURS MY QUESTION IS WHERE IS HIS CONCIENCE HEEI POLITICIANS
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www.insurance-direct.co.za

Why now? Why did they keep quite all along?
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Traveljunie

cocolucho
There is no need for you to insult dandan's education because you dont know what education he has got. He may be adoctor for all you know. So please stop with this thing of insulting anc supporters that dont agree with you. And thats the huge problem that some people have with da supporters. The fact that you think that you are superior to others.
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ye right a successful Dr. hahahaha.
secondly I am not a DA supporter and that you do is exactly the same as Dandan, you make assumptions and making mediocre post like you did does not help the collective raise the debate.

Its got nothing to do with superior, you are racist even saying that. Do not accept mediocre reasoning
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Lehido

Zuma might be a shyt leader, so is the ANCYL
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masende

GET A LYF SAN TSEK
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somaartakeit

@malemaforpresident
THAT EMPIRE IS SORROUNDED BY MUD HOUSES WITHOUT ELECTRICITY LET ALONE CLEAN RUNNING WATER AND THEY DONT EVEN RELATE THEMSELVES AS NEIGHBOURS MY QUESTION IS WHERE IS HIS CONCIENCE HEEI POLITICIANS
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That is a typical characteristic of African leaders, surrounded by enduring downtrodden peasants whilst they live lives of kings and queens, and these downtroddens come out in their millions to vote for more of the same just like a bunch of conditioned slaves.
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somaartakeit

Hey Traveljunie lets quickly put things into perspective, if Dandan and other anc following after Mr standard 3 were educated, do you honestly believe that they will allow themselves to be lead by a clueless former herdboy with no formal education? And btw speaking truth even the one that hurts is not an insult and of course debate is not going to advance cause most are clueless about what needs to be debated and have no ability to agree to disagree with their opponents, and in my life participating in SAn political forums all that one ever hear is sloganeering either for anc or the other other, constructive debate is rare. or well thought out comments are rare,
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somaartakeit

@Lehido
Zuma might be a shyt leader, so is the ANCYL
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the ancyl are not assigned with the task to lead the country zuma is, please spot the diffs already and once having done that realise that the youth need guidance which is not forthcoming, hence they are being hijacked by the loonatics claiming to be fighting for their issues, listen and listen good, the expelled leaders of hte anc are a soft version of rebels, the only time a country will have rebels is when you have breakdown of leadership, zuma is not a leader cause all these undesirable characteristics raring their ugly heads within the youth league were unheard of before polokowane pirates came to our shores.
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truthhurt

Dandan
truthhurt
If you want to give back to the community then do it at your own expense, not tax payers money. Zuma's house looks like Sun City, how is that going to benefit an ordinary man in street?
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now you change your argument since I have outclass you in Const interpreations, again , that is his benefits ito Const in the Const nothing said he must have limit to what , I can see your big problem reading with understanding the law.

Why didnt ask Julius about R60m bunker at Sandton
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Never argue with a fool, so i am not going to stoop to your level i would rather debate with intellects like Traveljunie, he could also pick up that you are nothing but a phony boob.
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Dandan

truthhurt

blahblahblah again you run away from the Const, better to make argument with fool like you, as from today you join a long list of bloggers I dont entertain, ok
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Tango

@Sowetan
Please update your stories and stop giving us old news.We need to read about juju's comment over the weekend and Magashule victory in FS.
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somaartakeit

@Tango how could you call that a success when it is like m ost anc imbizo's marred with conflict and mayhem, for starters the ancyl boycotted the event, and please lets be clear on one thing this was not an anc thing but a campaign for zuma second term by ace magashule, hence the youth league in Bloem boycotted it.
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Little_Dude

This boy's face looks like a TERREFIED MOLE.
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truthhurt

Dandan
truthhurt

blahblahblah again you run away from the Const, better to make argument with fool like you, as from today you join a long list of bloggers I dont entertain, ok
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See the worry in my eye! Minus one brainless Bimbo to argue with!

FYI Julius Malema is not SA's president and does not owe you a damn thing!
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Makhosini0408

After all, charity begins at home. lol. If proper research was done to render Nkandla viable for the development, why not? Surely this will benefit those who will be given jobs during the development and those that will be working closer to home, saving costs and time, after completion.

The less said by the ANCYL clowns the better for the progress of this beautiful country.
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somaartakeit

@Dandan
Theotherguy


"Why did ask Julius about R60m bunker yet children in Limp dont have books" lets not exaggerate things here, Malema's bunker is 16mil not 60mil learn to count okay? secondly malema is not a gov official, if blade (min of educ) who is trusted with the future of our country can see nothing wrong with spending (needlessly) millions on a car claiming that its justified in the ministerial manual, then I think your priorities of queries ethics/morals are stuffed up, malema is/was not an MP as such was not responsible to tax payers of this country, and if we must argue about his wealth, who used his powers to give him access to public purse, non either than Mothale a minister is zuma's cabinet, so why blame malema for shortage/lack of school books, even angie another zuma cabinet minister is not worried or concerned that books printed and paid for by hard earned money of ordinary SA was later dumped in the bushes in LImpopo, but the DA are running with this project they have angie by her incompetent balls over this.
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Tango

somaartakeit
I have never called anything a success but yes i am interested in the follow up of those stories.
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somaartakeit

@Makhosini0408 except for, if the tender process for such developments was done in a honest manner I have no doubt they'd have found a company which could have achieved same results at a fraction of a bill tax payers had to foot, just saying bru...
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somaartakeit

@Tango my bad, sorry about, the manguang conference was just another factionalising of the anc even further, if the anc doesn't recall this man, there will be no anc left to fight about if given the second term.
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Tango

somaartakeit
@Tango my bad, sorry about, the manguang conference was just another factionalising of the anc even further, if the anc doesn't recall this man, there will be no anc left to fight about if given the second term.
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He is not going anywhere cause if he goes that where we will have a weaker ANC.
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somaartakeit

@Tango when he showed up the anc became weak, it can only get even even weaker, really is zuma the best you ppl have by way of leadership?

PS: Opposition parties please pay attention to his reply to my question.
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masende

zuma this zuma that tsek,viva zuma viva
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Makhosini0408

@somaartakeit, That is unfortunate, but you know by now sisi, that some of the politician are benefiting from such projects, because our President does not see any wrong doing.
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Dandan

masende

the thing is, when zuma was fighting they thought they are using a stooge that will be thrown out when the war is over and for them to run the country, now they are fuming to see an uneducated clever zulu turning against them, kwakwkwakwakwa

Guess what , Saki Macozoma even tried to push him aside with R10m golden handshake , no it did nt work
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The-Rothschilds

It is obvious that the ANCYL is a puppet organization used by a disrgunted faction within the mother body..................some even say that Mugabe is funding the ANCYL to remove Zuma to destabilize South Africa before the Zim elections so he can by force repeat the 2008 elections bloodshed to cling to power.

Either way, i dont care who rules this country at this point in time, just as long as it is not the ANC!
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truthhurt

now they are fuming to see an uneducated clever zulu turning against them.
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Uneducated = Yes
Clever = Well...
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Traveljunie

somaartakeit
Hey Traveljunie lets quickly put things into perspective, if Dandan and other anc following after Mr standard 3 were educated, do you honestly believe that they will allow themselves to be lead by a clueless former herdboy with no formal education? And btw speaking truth even the one that hurts is not an insult and of course debate is not going to advance cause most are clueless about what needs to be debated and have no ability to agree to disagree with their opponents, and in my life participating in SAn political forums all that one ever hear is sloganeering either for anc or the other other, constructive debate is rare. or well thought out comments are rare,
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why it is so disappointing to read peoples responses here. They are so indoctrinated with the ANC propaganda that they can not see reality anymore.

but, yes, this will come back to bite them much harder.
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WarrenG

This young cub must watch it or he'll be curbed.
He is NOT the leader. JZ and ANC priorities are not Ronald Lamolas.
So he must sit back, shut his mouth and learn.
He is the apprentice(youth), NOT the leader.
If he doesn't like that then he must p!ss off with his side kicks.
Fool.
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cocolucho

@somaar. Good morning... Busy studying today. My take on this is that the presidents hometown should not be the only one benefitting from development or have a huge chunk of the budget for development dedicated to them soley as a result of it being the presidents hometown.
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BaleliM

These people must just tell Zuma to go if they no longer support him. All of a sudden, issues that were ignored are coming to light.
From the unauthorised expenses by the office of the president, to this damn document to development and so on.
Things are really falling apart
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cocolucho

@traveljunie
For the record, I agree with what you say and i'm not an anc supporter. But my point to you was that instead of insulting dandan and his intelligence level, you could debate with him on the points that he has made and try to convince him about your point. Apologies for assuming that you are a da supporter, its just that, thats a line that gets thrown at anc supporters if they dont agree with a da supporter.

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malemaforpresident

the road to Mangaung
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kulula

truthhurt
Dandan
kulula
I really dont balme Zuma for doing that cos I will definitely do the same. Why should i leave my village undevelop while i have power to? people, come-on, this is reality, why would i continue to drive in a dusty road if i can turn up things with a snap of a finger. I would do anything and everything to develop where i come from. thats why some youths as Seshego turned against Juju because he forgot where he came from
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well said, beautiful woman, its not only the politicians even the business people ,CEOs etc have turn their back on areas where they come from, I know one of the prosperous wine maker who is now located in CT yet is from Nongoma Sbu Ntshangase , there is nothing is doing in Nongoma to aspire upcoming entrepreneurs, I dont understand why with bl.acks have to be fakes,get attracted to materials innovated by whit.es instead of creating our own world like Zuma in order to prove a point that we are capable.

All these people here balaming Zuma are typical example of apartheid victims that bla.cks are inacapable.
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I will asume that the two of you are Zulus or come from KZN, my respond is short.

If you want to give back to the community then do it at your own expense, not tax payers money. Zuma's house looks like Sun City, how is that going to benefit an ordinary man in street?
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Ga ke lezulu tlhe nor coming from Nguni glan. ke Motswana wa mmakgwenthe. But given the power I will definetely develop my area and surroundings, I wouldnt even mind to push for a mall if the need be then development in villages like your will come later...how is that. People are jealous, otherwise we will laugh at your once the power is gone that you could even build a bridge in your village
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cocolucho

@dandan.
No one is saying that nkhandla should not benefit from development. It should! But the problem that arises is:
1. Is it only being developed because its the presidents hometown.
2. Who is benefitting financially from its development, ie the tender.
3. Are other rural areas also subject to the same development.
4. Does it get the majority of the development budget as a result of it being the presidents home town.
5. Does zuma's homestead get more development than the other places in nkhandla because he is the president.
6. If zuma's homestead gets more development then why should the taxpayer have to pay for its improvement, when the improvement should be coming out of his own pocket.
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Kone

Tango
He is not going anywhere cause if he goes that where we will have a weaker ANC.
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Since he tookover ,The organisation lost its moral fibre which was a glue that sustained the organisation for 100yrs.

As we speak today the organisation is weak and diveded more than ever, changing the guards in Mangaung is the only solution!...............
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truthhurt

@ kulula
No one is saying that nkhandla should not benefit from development. It should! But the problem that arises is:
1. Is it only being developed because its the presidents hometown.
2. Who is benefitting financially from its development, ie the tender.
3. Are other rural areas also subject to the same development.
4. Does it get the majority of the development budget as a result of it being the presidents home town.
5. Does zuma's homestead get more development than the other places in nkhandla because he is the president.
6. If zuma's homestead gets more development then why should the taxpayer have to pay for its improvement, when the improvement should be coming out of his own pocket.


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moisa

YOU MADE A VERY GOOD POINT MR LAMOLA. THIS IS THE WORST AND SHORTSIGHTED PRESIDENT WE EVER HAD. HE DOESNT HAVE A BIGGER VISSION. THE FURTHEST HE CAN SEE IS KZN. COME MAGAUNG WE WILL RECTIFY OUR MISTAKES.
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Tango

Kone
Tango
He is not going anywhere cause if he goes that where we will have a weaker ANC.
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Since he tookover ,The organisation lost its moral fibre which was a glue that sustained the organisation for 100yrs.

As we speak today the organisation is weak and diveded more than ever, changing the guards in Mangaung is the only solution!...............
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Changing him by who
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Kone

Tango

No one is ireplaceable!, Kgalema Motlante for President!.................
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Dandan

@kulula
well said, think of Mom Mbeki at Qunu, her sons cannt even built her an RDP , kesono uyatsiba, the old lady is suppose to have a house with bathroom and toilet inside otherthan to go out in the evening when it is raining, instead these two old men are living posh life styles in Houghton, mcxxxm, are you suggesting to me is this how you treat your mom

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@cocolucho

No one is saying that nkhandla should not benefit from development. It should! But the problem that arises is:
1. Is it only being developed because its the presidents hometown.
Res: It is the priority of the ruling party which is rural development
2. Who is benefitting financially from its development, ie the tender.
Res: workers , are getting jobs, even the mantainance of the village will be done by workers eg electricity,plumbing,tiles,bricklaying etc part of job creation
3. Are other rural areas also subject to the same development.
Res: interesting question indeed, who said Thabo Mbeki must nt develop where he comes from, instead goes to Houghton, thats what I hate with us b.lacks as I said why do we rush to whi.te areas instead of creating our own space
4. Does it get the majority of the development budget as a result of it being the presidents home town.
Res: the issue of budget is nt important, as long as the costs -benefit is justified
5. Does zuma's homestead get more development than the other places in nkhandla because he is the president.
Res: intersting question again, dont forget Jacob Zuma Foundation Trust that has help thousands and thousands of children going to uneversities compared to Ratanang Trust
6. If zuma's homestead gets more development then why should the taxpayer have to pay for its improvement, when the improvement should be coming out of his own pocket.
Res: Im nt clear with this question, I really dont understand your question, if there is development then the development must fund itself , I dont get it really, for me its like saying , roads improvement must fund itself yet you refuse to pay etolls

NB. All in all people like you , really I have problem with because they think that the best things should go to the wh.ite areas, I dont understand why we blac.k professionals are like these, maaan can we please change our mind focus and stop running after white.s , this is serious because with muslims they are on their own , you will never see them sucking whites a$$. We like to go out bragging about being graduates yet we are nt creative and innovative , look at the man with Standard 3, far creative than you with Masters degree
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Bebesocs

I am not sure about this ANCYL, they are the people who championed the election of Zuma today they say ohh no no no get him off he is not good for us, they again displayed to the nation that they are rich and own mansions and they displayed their arrogance, now they come up again and say we want nationalisation, have they prepared the people for that nationalisation? What have they done for the youth who voted them? Does the ANCYL address the interests of the youth in SOUTH AFRICA? The politics of ANCYL is boring, they do not know what they are doing...they insulted the leader of DA now they went back again and say oh we are sorry, they insulted Mr Mbeki they went back and apologise , what does that say about them?=UNSTABLE. There are provinces where youth have no books actually the whole of education system has failed what does ANCYL say?=they are not interested because it is not bringing in money, if they challenge Zuma about the level of education they must also show us their slates? We are in this turmoil because of the ANCYL shortsightedness, we cannot afford to listen to them. ANCYL has been very very reckless during Malema reign.
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kulula

@truthhurts

benefit or no benefits to the community, the status of the president is not the same as everyone's. whether u like it or not he is the first citizen, therefore him first then the rest will follow. that is why when u go to parliament u will hear of things like Protocol. I am not Zuma's supporter nor like him, unfortuantely that how things are done even if it means shifting funds from somewhere to build a security wall around his village/house. That will be done regardless. U must visit parliaments or the nearest legislature to be taught on this things. One other thing is that, u may find that the president himself didnt know of the planned development in his area and got informed like anyone else.
hahaha, i work with this things and have better understanding of them
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Milaneshu

Kgalema Motlante will be the anc president...
Fikile Mbalula will be the general secretary of the anc
Nationalisation will be the anc policy...
Land will be owned by the anc...
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cocolucho

@dandan.
1. Yes rural areas should be developed.
2. Yes people get jobs as a result of the development. But what happens when funds are stolen by the contractors because they got the tender due to connections and not skills and see this development as a way of enriching themselves, which could lead to shoddy development.
3. Thabo could have developed his hometown,but would it have been done at the expense of having other areas underdeveloped.
4. The budget is very important. If an area is being developed then all places in that area should benefit equally from development and not only one or a select few because its the presidents.
5.Yes jacob has a trust, but the issue here is that its not the trust paying for the development, its taxpayers.
6. There's a difference between developing a place and improving it. If a house is built for me and I decide that I want to add a second floor or an extra bathroom, thats an improvement and should come out of my own pocket
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kulula

Dandan
@kulula
well said, think of Mom Mbeki at Qunu, her sons cannt even built her an RDP , kesono uyatsiba, the old lady is suppose to have a house with bathroom and toilet inside otherthan to go out in the evening when it is raining, instead these two old men are living posh life styles in Houghton, mcxxxm, are you suggesting to me is this how you treat your mom


Thats the biggest mistake they have ever done, I would have built a mansion if it was me regardless of what people would have said. Some people will call it corruption but I cant neglect my family, they must leave a decent life.
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Bebesocs

Point of correction Mr Mbeki does not come from Qunu or Mvezo he come from Idutywa, Mvezo and Qunu are Mr Mandela's homes.
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cocolucho

@dandan.
Once again. I did not say that only white areas should be developed. Towns and cities are already developed, so rural areas should be developed as well and it should not only be nkandla, we have many other rural areas that need development.
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Dandan

@cocolucho


please try to be accurate with analytical skills , I regard you as a professional , remember Zuma is a Pres as well as citizen of Nkadla (wearing two caps), his prerrogatives /ambitions must nt exceed Prov Dept of Rural Dev & Land Reform , as far as I understand Zuma approached business people like Patrice etc to inject funds at Nkandla, in other words I say his plan must nt be in conflict with Prov Rur Dev& Land Reform in KZN as long as his plans will only be limited to his ward , its fine, hope you get this one

In that sense cocoluch learn something with you masters degree to write a proposal to any business people to develop your area, in that regard dont go out blame others whereas you are more obsessed with your degrees that are nt benefiting the society.
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Tango

Kone
Tango

No one is ireplaceable!, Kgalema Motlante for President!.................
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In 2019 yes,but for now its Zuma baba
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Dandan

@kulula
Thats the biggest mistake they have ever done, I would have built a mansion if it was me regardless of what people would have said. Some people will call it corruption but I cant neglect my family, they must leave a decent life.
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its nt only the politicians even the business people, ministers, CEOs they forget their moms, why , look at Mandla Mthembu thats the reason he went broke because he didnt please his elders, even Mbeki too reason why he was fired, he must go back maaan and build his mom a shelter , sies, why Zanele is quiet does she nt love her mom in laws
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McLoving

I don't mind a little bit of rual areas development..I don't care where it happens as long as it is happening.The Bantustan was far better than this democratically elected govtment as far as rural development is concerned .If you go to some rural areas you still find a tar road that was built during the are of Mangope.Had Manope still been in power you would have seen that tar road upliftment and areas developing.I still maintain the ANC has failed us.Only good in campaigning ,,by promising the masses rural development,job creationn and housing and all sorts of crap that they can't fulfill.
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mhlupheki

@ mbongo
is this lamolaa South African? his accent is not South African.
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i also doubt his look is suspicios
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Bebesocs

@Dandan..Mbeki must go and build a house for his mother...thats not right, let us not tell people wrong things, at his home in Idutywa the home is well built and the mother used to own a shop, so we can just tackle Mbeki on other issues but otherwise he has a well established home because of her mother, and he visits his mother and the mother is an ex-teacher. And his mother built before he became the president of the country.
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Dandan

Bebesocs

kahle sana , we saw that that shrub house on newspaper, unfortuantely nt acceptable for Pres mom, nt at all , Mbeki must built something like Zuma did , there two Mbeki & Moeletsi can built a castle in the air , plse kahle . let the two do something for their mom , its wrong what they are doing , even yourself stop driving bm yet your mom is sleeping in the bed she bought while you were at Gr12 , the bed has expiry date its your reposnsibility , do like any woman to her mom, R5000 bed is very cheap for your mom after three yrs or whatver expiry date, ok
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guiliano

@Lamola and Soweto- Mbeki is from Idutywa not Mvezo please try to do a research before print something.
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Kone

When he took an oath he never said i wil serve the people of Nkandla, but the people of the republic.

The ink is not even dry, but he is building hollywood in Nkandla!.........
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Dandan

Kone

which province are you coming from, check with your premier, MEC for treasury, Mayor and councillor what they have for you. Zuma as a citizen of Nkandla thats what he did as mandated by Const
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truthhurt

kulula
@truthhurts

benefit or no benefits to the community, the status of the president is not the same as everyone's. whether u like it or not he is the first citizen, therefore him first then the rest will follow. that is why when u go to parliament u will hear of things like Protocol. I am not Zuma's supporter nor like him, unfortuantely that how things are done even if it means shifting funds from somewhere to build a security wall around his village/house. That will be done regardless. U must visit parliaments or the nearest legislature to be taught on this things. One other thing is that, u may find that the president himself didnt know of the planned development in his area and got informed like anyone else.
hahaha, i work with this things and have better understanding of them
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Are you taking any medication? if not then you should be, coz you are crazi as hell.
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Dandan

@truthhurt
I can see you love politics to give you sometips try to complement your argument with any legislation to strengthen your point , then you will be fine.

Const, Chapter 5 sec 83(a) says the Pres is a Head of the state and head of national executive
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kulula

@truthhurt

like your name says truth hurt, it hurts isn't it? for your info i am sober and healthy.
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truthhurt

kulula
@truthhurt

like your name says truth hurt, it hurts isn't it? for your info i am sober and healthy.
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You think?
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truthhurt

Dandan
@truthhurt
I can see you love politics to give you sometips try to complement your argument with any legislation to strengthen your point , then you will be fine.

Const, Chapter 5 sec 83(a) says the Pres is a Head of the state and head of national executive
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I dont know who you are trying to convince? for the last time, Chapter5 only consist of sec
68 to 74, i have the const with me you fool.
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Dandan

@truthhurt
kwakwakwakwakwa tlitltiltiltiltilti hihihihhihi dof are you nt readng zimbabwean constitution wena sdenxe
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kulula

kulula
@truthhurt

like your name says truth hurt, it hurts isn't it? for your info i am sober and healthy.
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You think?
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take it easy, and have a wonderful afternoon and evening....


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Secretary

ZUMA YOUR DAYS ARE OBVIOUSLY NUMBERED.EVEN AMONGST YOUR CHAIN OF WOMEN,NOT ALL OF THEM WILL TAKE IT ANYMORE
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Dandan

Secretary
ZUMA YOUR DAYS ARE OBVIOUSLY NUMBERED.EVEN AMONGST YOUR CHAIN OF WOMEN,NOT ALL OF THEM WILL TAKE IT ANYMORE
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hawu why so much anger, as long as we are around him no one will touch him, you and your malema will bark out there
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Tasto

This is not the same SubCity Tracy Chapman prophesised abt :

People say it doesn't exist
'Cause no one would like to admit
That there is a city underground
Where people live everyday
Off the waste and decay
Off the discards of their fellow man

Here in subcity life is hard
We can't receive any government relief
I'd like to please give Mr. President my honest regards
For disregarding me

They say there's too much crime in these city streets
My sentiments exactly
Government and big business hold the purse strings
When I worked I worked in the factories
I'm at the mercy of the world
I guess I'm lucky to be alive

They say we've fallen through the cracks
They say the system works
But we won't let it help
I guess they never stop to think
We might not just want handouts
But a way to make an honest living
Living this ain't living

What did I do deserve this
Had my trust in god
Worked everyday of my life
Thought I had some guarantees
That's what I thought
At least that's what I thought

Last night I had another restless sleep
Wondering what tomorrow might bring
Last night I dreamed
A cold blue light was shining down on me
I screamed myself awake
Thought I must be dying
Thought I must be dying

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Secretary

@Dandan
hawu why so much anger, as long as we are around him no one will touch him, you and your malema will bark out there
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No one is angry in the country except Zuma"Angry man". You are right we are not going to touch rap.ists and womenisers with our clean hands. We do not want to touch him,the election outcomes will touch him and the rest of you se.x hooligans.
No problem you may continue to surround him like condoms,however when the mangaung virus arives condoms will burst,because the virus is tooo hot for a condom
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dedicatedtoloveGod

Secretary
Dandan
not informed, Julius was called by the leadership for mentorship programmes , unfortunately he had his personal agendas to make money from anc , instead of being developed politically , practical example when he was told to go to Parliament he refused , why, because he knew he is in th anc for dirty money.
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.Is that all you can say? Juju wasting money or generating money from ANC backyard....bla..bla ...bla... My friend you should expand your political vocabulary urgently. Zuma is the one who is busy wasting money now,bcos he is still paying Juju from the grave. Zuma reshuffled his ANC parliament more than five times in one term, married and pregnanted different nonwives and wives at the costs of state. He made series of trips to different countries in the world just to say
"Nationalisation is not our policy “while those countries used telephone enquiring about nationalisation status in RSA. He made unnecessary alliance with very lethal family called"Gupta" in the expense of state funds. He went on making rural Nkandla Hollywood not because of his service delivery potential, but because of favouritism and his selfish culture

Secretary
You are confusing me here, if you condemn Mr Pres for making treaties with other presidents(countries), no country can live on their onw they need eachother. His traveling covers such aspects, I think yo condemnation is baseless here. As for many wives and making women pregnant, that I cannot condone, but still you cant boastful point a pluck to other men, before cleaning your onw eyes. I like his/Pres' attitude for taking his wives to the podium; and introduced them to the public. Unlike those other people who hit and run, they usually do it in their secret chambers. They impregnanted lot of girls yet they come to the public and point pluck to that poor man! For insight: If it happens you are having sexual intercouse in/outside marriage; you ought to know that is Sacred(spiritula) Marriage/ if man knows a female that is spiritual marriage/ you can call it Soul Ties. So you look around you and see how many young people are involved in SoulTies. Lastly, people should learn to respect their leaders, if you critice them, it's good but you need to be constructive not reflecting your homestead breeding. thedse forums tell us how you were raised.

Lets challenge and provide alternatives to what we oppose. Jesus Saves Souls!!! Jesus is Lord!
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swona

Lamola is suffering from memory loss, we know Qunu is now a suburb, and he was mute on the issue
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Tasto

@swona
Lamola is suffering from memory loss, we know Qunu is now a suburb, and he was mute on the issue

Uyayazi ijonge ngaphi Qunu ungayikhomba phofu ? Or are you confusing it with Inkandla subcity ?
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Wordoftruth

Perhaps Zuma's thinking is that he will only be voted by iNkandla folks, hence the much concentration of development in his home village. Is he not aware that the ANC is voted nationwide in order for it to retain power and for him to stay in power?

He would be advised to do that which he does in iNkandla in all South African villages in order for him to stay in power.


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007.JAMES.BOND

THE REMOVAL OF PRES. MBEKI WAS A MISTAKE.
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