The picture is not clear, is Vusi implying that ET was a pedo? Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
TheNewFreedomFighter
If the ANC doesn't condemn this as racist, order its people to march against it and start a legal case then I will have to conclude with 100% certainty that the ANC has capitalised on The Spear for its narrow racist and populist policies and to have Jacob "The P e n i s" Zuma re-elected. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
mambaaai
HAHAHA the ANC and in particular JZ has created a monster.... in the form of art HAHAHAHA we are gonna see some lovely stuff coming through...... SA the art center of the world................where politicians are painted........ EINAAAAAAAAAAAAAA for some politicians I think......... there are artist that are going to come out of the woodwork we never knew existedd........ plus we saw what happened with the spear court case..... the case was sooo weak the lawyer started crying in court...... wait for it SA we are gonna see some wonderful thought provoking works Report Abuse
IGNORE MR COPYCAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Unfortunately the AWB does not have bull terriers like Mantashe and Mthembu. Viva "Da Spear" Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Doculam
Nice piece of art. Lots of emotion, really good(wont put it in my house though). I just cant help wondering if this artist is not just riding the publicity wave of the spear painting. Cheap promotion for yourself perhaps?? Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Makhosini0408
Morning ALL
Let us also argue that after all this is art, the artist is exercising his freedom of expression or rights?
My view, is that despite what Tereblance did and the way he was killed, this painting is unfortunate as the family is still dealing with the loss, especially after the trial. What happened to our sense of empathy and compassion?
@Doculum - read the article - it was painted in february. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Uncompromising
The dude better get himself a bullet proof vest ! Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
ntshware-ke-yawa
should this one be brought to court then I will know that we (South Africans) have so much time to play on useless issues rather than working on Nation Building and country development. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
DJWinner
Well, he is not naked. I see nothing wrong with the painting really. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
7000000
Who cares about this useless kind of art any where, whatever...... Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
mambaaai
ntshware-ke-yawa
should this one be brought to court then I will know that we (South Africans) have so much time to play on useless issues rather than working on Nation Building and country development.
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Thats the problem.... a good leader works toward building the country up for all, not woorying about his d***. these people are all excersiing their "constitutional rights" we fought for.... the previous lot regeme used to block everything.... the oath taken by JZ is that he will uphold the constution....thats his job......now taking these people to court is against the constitution.... plus he said nothing about a bl@ck guy who painted the same thing.... different treatment for two differnt people based on the colour of their skin makes it a racist act in itself...... in one step JZ could have reduced the country to a mess....all around his ...... Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Phunyukabemphethe
Nothing that can draw public attention, it just painting Report Abuse
I dont htink anyone will care, its just Zuma and his fragile ego that is bothered by political messages in paintings. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Danielrjvvuren
Nothing wrong with it? Its pretty, I like how the paint is running as if tears were shed from the paintings itself. It is more a slap in the face for black people to be painted like that, isn't it? Or it could be how Terre'Blanche saw people of color? But nothing stirs because we KNOW IT IS ART!!! Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
guiliano
An eye for an eye makes the world blind. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Doculam
@ Pointman: @Doculum - read the article - it was painted in february.
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I read the article Pointman, what is your point though man? Do you think Sowetan sends its journalists all over the country to find controversial art work? No they dont, this dude drew the attention his side at a time that I view as opportunistic. Just like Murry, an artist must be well known for their good works, not due to controversy. Beauchamp and Murry failed to achieve this. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Longos
Just sit and wait, they are more paintings of this nature to come Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
oldlady5
I don't see how the kid on ET's lap resembles Mahlangu, but I suppose if the artist says so, then it must be Mahlangu.
Makhosini0408, I'm with you on this one. Somewhere we have to draw a line as to what is art, and what is hurtful. Didn't surprise me that John Vlismas would buy the painting. He's one of those people hiding behind his "art" to pretty much say anything about anyone he damn well pleases, then he puts a few funny things inbetween, and people actually pay to go listen to him. What happened to entertainment being a nice Sunday afternoon family picnic where all in the park considers the family next to them? If this, and especially The Spear is fre.edom, I have to say I preferred censorship. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
SharpSharp
I dont see anything wrong with the painting...It is ET ,Chris Mahlangu and the bible...The fact that ET is dea.d that does nt mean he must not be painted...Unless if we say it is not right to paint a dea d person then thats another argument... Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Danielrjvvuren
oldlady5
You prefer censorship? This is the first time I will disagree with you. Who would decide what is good for us and what we may or may not see? Have you ever read 1984? Totalitarian police states can not be tolerated. Imagine 7de laan censored for something stupid little things. No more news, no Carte Blanche we will know nothing and the people doing the censorship can do and say as they please and we the people will be none the wiser? I'm sorry thats just not on. I understand what you saying, but just not on... Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Danielrjvvuren
SharpSharp
If that is the case all the paintings with jesus is wrong. Paintings should stir emotions and questions this does just that. Its beautiful really. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
DJWinner
MissBhakajuju
Boring !!! this little kwerekwere boy must go play with his grand father's spear
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You comment is offencive to the foreigners. I can see you are a xenophobic person. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
itsme4sure
so what.....and can the media stop it with their propaganda of trying their best to devide our nation....your headline is indeed trying to stir uncalled for emotions amongst us readers.....i am all for art and all for freedom of expression....if the Terreblanche trial brought about the artistic creativity of this artist (Vusi Beauchamp) and he wants to put it on a canvass...I say big ups to him, cos he is using the gift he was blessed with..to bring across his message..... and I have the same opinion of Brett Murray...I see absolutely nothing wrong here with both of these paintings. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
SharpSharp
I said it last week that this country has been reduced to artistic country...Even less harm painting are now brought to us to sensor...This is just a meer piece of an art without dehumaning, disrespctful or nude art Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Socrates
You are drunk, who says bible is a sign of power and superiority...some stupid blacks with shallow knowlegde and information Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
oldlady5
Danielrjvvuren, unlike you, I've actually lived censorship. What bliss to really, really do not know. 1984 was one of my prescribed books in school, and I've read it maybe 20 times. I actually grew up with no news (TV came out when I was already all grown up), no money to waste for batteries for a radio (that's if you had one), and families being families. But, I suppose you're right. For that to work again, we would have to have a sensible, responsible government, and I just don't see that coming anytime soon. Can we, as a nation, then at least have some sort of discussions as to what is acceptable in society, and what is not? Heard that song with the word...."Fre.edom's just another word for nothing left to lose..." Think about the words carefully, because it's very true. If there's nothing left to protect in life, what's left to live for? Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Jozi40
I actually like the painting the is no sign of human right violation eish nami I should start drawing again i will start ngo uncle Juju then Cele, Mdluli & Mbhoro's manicure Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Bumboklaat
Next thing they would want to make a 'spear' movie! Nxa! Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
SharpSharp
Danielrjvvuren
SharpSharp
If that is the case all the paintings with jesus is wrong. Paintings should stir emotions and questions this does just that. Its beautiful really.
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I am not sure if u understand me... I am saying i see nothing wrong with the painting unless if u dont agree with me then u can explain what is wrong with the painting. I dont get u when u say all painting with jesus is wrong if that is the case...Clarify????????? Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Gore
Opportunistic and silly. I know in Africa the dead are treated with dignity. The Zuma painting was wrong and I'll conceived. Ask yourself this, what would Mandela react like. Fire on fire? No. Paint ET in dignified way. That's how we blacks have always been taught to treat elders with isidimo inhlonipho respect. Your painting is sad, silly, immature and no art at all. Please grow up and realise the hurt u are causing the ET family and friends. Forget and forgive him. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
MommaC
Again. A piece of art that really doesn't have a whole lot of artistic merit or insight. I still prefer Ayanda Mabulu's work. His paintings of ET are more emotional and far better especially the 'Primitive Weapon" one.. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
MissBhakajuju
DJWinner
You comment is offencive to the foreigners. I can see you are a xenophobic person
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thats a Kasi name for a foreigner, or do you have any other term to describe them ???
ITS JUST A FOKKEN PAINTING....GET OVER URSELVES ALREADY.....THE MEDIA INCLUDED. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Makhosini0408
@Sowetan
I am battling to understand why the research which is front news on THE TIMES, where it revealed that 109 GRADE 3 learners were impregnated in 2009, is not covered and we still have to debate about amateur artists, who want to be noticed at the expense of others? Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
DJWinner
I'm thinking about attending painting courses. It seems as if painting is more popular career these days. I can make some extra cash to pay for my private stripper shows. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
oldlady5
Actually, looking at this painting again ( I still do not see any resemblance to mahlangu), the artist painted Et in a very caring way. A loving old man comforting a child on his lap. If I was his family, I might just try to buy it from Vlismas. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
mambaaai
oldlady5
I don't see how the kid on ET's lap resembles Mahlangu, but I suppose if the artist says so, then it must be Mahlangu.
Makhosini0408, I'm with you on this one. Somewhere we have to draw a line as to what is art, and what is hurtful. Didn't surprise me that John Vlismas would buy the painting. He's one of those people hiding behind his "art" to pretty much say anything about anyone he damn well pleases, then he puts a few funny things inbetween, and people actually pay to go listen to him. What happened to entertainment being a nice Sunday afternoon family picnic where all in the park considers the family next to them? If this, and especially The Spear is fre.edom, I have to say I preferred censorship.
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agreed censorship made things safe............. but we fought for freedom, of everything...... they "say be careful what you wish for because you may just get it" and so this is freedom of expression......ok now we have seen an aspect of it.......... if everyone, just respected and accepted that... and laughed it off as a painting by some idiot....... it would all have been a complete non-event. Just as this painting was back in February regardless of how tasteless it is........in terms of trying to score from somebodies death and somebodies wrongdoing as in murder, it was a non-event........... Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
DJWinner
MissBhakajuju
DJWinner
You comment is offencive to the foreigners. I can see you are a xenophobic person
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thats a Kasi name for a foreigner, or do you have any other term to describe them ???
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Just call them foreigners. That is good enough. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
BaleliM
Two wrongs will never make a right. Enuf already!! Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
MissBhakajuju
@itsme4sure
Hi Sugar Love.
No, they must stop with this painting n.o.ns.ense now, its so yesterday.
if anyone paints, they must paint their families Qha ke .
DJWinner, great idea. You can paint just about anything, and wait for the right moment when something happens to stir emotions, look at your gallery of paintings, and find one that can be interpreted in a way to fit that situation and make lots of money. With our emotional country, it can't be that difficult. Report Abuse
Actually, looking at this painting again ( I still do not see any resemblance to mahlangu), the artist painted Et in a very caring way. A loving old man comforting a child on his lap. If I was his family, I might just try to buy it from Vlismas.
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I am not good in interpreting arts but i see it the way u see it.... Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Danielrjvvuren
oldlady5
Yes getting a sensible government to censor things will be close to impossible and censorship with technology is impossible really. Back then with the less media to censor it was easy, try censoring the Internet will never really be possible. The dissemination of information happens to fast for any real body to be able to censor it.
SharpSharp
I think we misunderstood each other. I am with you on the entire thought, but you said it is not wrong to paint someone who is dead, then I added if so all the paintings with jesus would be wrong. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Shredder
There is no p3nis hanging out here. It is nothing comapared to The Spear
@MissBhakajuju
Boring !!! this little kwerekwere boy must go play with his grand father's spear.
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kwerekwere? I wish I could give you a tongue lashing, but I will just leave it. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
MissBhakajuju
DJWinner
Just call them foreigners. That is good enough.
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foreigner is an English word, King George would be very proud of you Son. well cool I'll stick with it !!!! Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
CharlesTaylor
Makhosini0408
Morning ALL
Let us also argue that after all this is art, the artist is exercising his freedom of expression or rights?
My view, is that despite what Tereblance did and the way he was killed, this painting is unfortunate as the family is still dealing with the loss, especially after the trial. What happened to our sense of empathy and compassion?
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I also think the Sowetan journo is trying to sell the newspaper here, the drawing was made in February, 4 months ago, now they turn to go to every art gallery for any picture resembling racial division, because they saw that it can sell newspapers, we must be careful of the propaganda of these imperialist media companies. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Danielrjvvuren
Paintings or art is not suppose to be seen by the general masses, unless you go look for it. Art in itself is a niche market, so there should be no censorship of it. If you do not like it do not view it is the best and most simple answer I can give. Media should not thrust art in our faces as it is not their function to do so. They must report news not create sensation... Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
MommaC
Danielrjvvuren
I disagree.
Art, like .literature, should be for everyone. The act of interpreting art is an educational experience and broadens the mind. Something we seriously need in our country Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
oldlady5
Mambaaai, I hear you, but the problem is, not everyone's the same. We have so many cultures and mixes of people in this country, that we'll just have to find a way where fre.edom of expression meets someone's right to dignity. We can't only have the fre.edom of whatever side taking, and the other side giving. Let's just think of this. There are some groups of people in this country who actually believe that it is not wrong to "love" a child. They say sex with children as young as 9 yrs is normal. They believe that the rest of us have perversed the issue. Should they also be allowed to express their fre.edom? We can't have fre.dom for one group of whatever, and not the other. With fre.edom comes responsibility, and I believe it is time that some clear guidelines are being laid down. I'm very sorry to hear that the ANC dropped the courtcase, because I'd have loved to hear how our law interprets one right versus the other. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
DJWinner
MissBhakajuju
DJWinner
Just call them foreigners. That is good enough.
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foreigner is an English word, King George would be very proud of you Son. well cool I'll stick with it !!!!
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What language is kwerekwere? Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Makhosini0408
CharlesTaylor
Makhosini0408
Morning ALL
Let us also argue that after all this is art, the artist is exercising his freedom of expression or rights?
My view, is that despite what Tereblance did and the way he was killed, this painting is unfortunate as the family is still dealing with the loss, especially after the trial. What happened to our sense of empathy and compassion?
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I also think the Sowetan journo is trying to sell the newspaper here, the drawing was made in February, 4 months ago, now they turn to go to every art gallery for any picture resembling racial division, because they saw that it can sell newspapers, we must be careful of the propaganda of these imperialist media companies.
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Expect the AWB and the family, which is within their rights to challenge the painting. Some things are unneccesary. Sowetan indeed has lost the plot. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
MissBhakajuju
@Shredder
hi mo.tho wa.ka, you look very cro.ss with me this morning, o batla mama a ho fe eng for breakfast ge ?? Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
KasiKid
To be honest, if we were not told who are the people on the picture, most of us wouldn't have known who are they. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
SharpSharp
Danielrjvvuren
Ok i get u now...So if that is the case can we say Patience Bambalele's view is rubbisssssh when saying Terre'Blanche painting set 'to provoke' and ask SOWETAN to remove the article as always....... Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Abylee
Wa thoma! Here i was thinking all the art drama is soooo last year! It dasn't look like ET anyway, the joke is on u bra, u won't get that much attention.... Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
oldlady5
MissBhakajuju, kwerekwere is a hurtful word to foreigners, the same as the K word is a hurtful word to blacks. Doesn't matter where the word comes from, or which language it is ,or how it started, or how it's intended, if it hurts people, don't use it. Simple. Then again, I suppose if it's okay to hurt people with paintings, it's okay to hurt people with words. Anyone defending the JZ painting think about that one yet? Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Click
ET looks horny in this painting... This is RACIST!!! I blame AZAPO, Robert Sibukwe, Bantu-Education, Squatter-Camps, Jam-Alley..
Rather than being fueled by the certain artwork and racial division so forth, we must also turn our attention to the intentions of these media companies by publishing such dividing articles. Do these companies create an enabling environment for the people of South Africa as a whole? Are they part of building a cohesion in our society?
It has become a norm in South African media that a good story is the one that create controversy and instability. As I said, we must (all of us) be careful of the propaganda of these imperialist media companies. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
MissBhakajuju
Click
ET looks horny in this painting... This is RACIST!!! I blame AZAPO, Robert Sibukwe, Bantu-Education, Squatter-Camps, Jam-Alley..
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There is nothing contrvecial about the piece... Chris Mahlangu has been distorted and cannot identify him unless somebody tells is Chris!!! Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
MommaC
oldlady5
I can't really see your 1ink between paedophilia and a painting of Zuma. Some of his wives are very young but they really don't qualify as being 'children'.
I also can't see how words that are used to dehumanise people can be 1inked to a painting of Zuma. The idea that we could have a whole Rwanda scenario because someone paints one man's (Zuma's) 'spear' is unlikely. Naming a whole race of people is done to make them appear less human and therefore not worthy of being treated as human. Painting a man in an unflattering light is to make a statement about THAT individual - not a call for genocide Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Mbeva
There is no used condom in the picture Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
mambaaai
@oldlady5
Mambaaai, I hear you, but the problem is, not everyone's the same. We have so many cultures and mixes of people in this country, that we'll just have to find a way where fre.edom of expression meets someone's right to dignity. We can't only have the fre.edom of whatever side taking, and the other side giving. Let's just think of this. There are some groups of people in this country who actually believe that it is not wrong to "love" a child. They say sex with children as young as 9 yrs is normal. They believe that the rest of us have perversed the issue. Should they also be allowed to express their fre.edom? We can't have fre.dom for one group of whatever, and not the other. With fre.edom comes responsibility, and I believe it is time that some clear guidelines are being laid down. I'm very sorry to hear that the ANC dropped the courtcase, because I'd have loved to hear how our law interprets one right versus the other.
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I think you have hit a big nail on the head....with freedom comes responsibility..... and so this is also included in many ways in the all the great religions.... do unto others etc etc ...... having said that, the reason we wanted freedom of expression is because we were silenced when there was wrong doing being done to us, and we could not say anything. So, with freedom comes responsibilty, if one is doing nothing wrong nobody can comment, and/or the comment is meaningless because it doesent hit a nerve.... in artist terms what was the artist expressing about this politician? Is he and his "friends and family" doing right by the people or are the people being scr.ewed? Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
SharpSharp
Thank You Mr Editor you have a good ear........I see u take the article down...down at the end it will be out...Thank you Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Danielrjvvuren
SharpSharp
Yes the view is rubbish. No one will take offense to this at all as it is just looking for attention really.
MommaC
I see your point to, but if you are going to see art you must do so with an open mind and not condemn the artist for his or her interpretation of life is it not? Go enjoy art go interpret art, get angry at art, but when you start defiling it or wanting it to be taken down you do not deserve the right to see that art. Its like me running on stage and kicking the swan queen for plie-ing wrong. Just does not work that way? Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Bdoobs
Nice try Vusi, but as an artist you need to orginal, look at me, I'm giving you zero attention, stupid. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Naked
"painting set to provoke "
provoke what? Its just a painting,and a bad one,its nt a proffessional one. Why is it only being reported now? *opportunists* yawwwn Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
SharpSharp
The article should read...Sowetan set 'to provoke' Terre'Blanche's painting Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
rasefatee
i have the picture of the spear in my laptop i am going to print enlarge frame it and put it in my room ANC is just like a headless chicken how do you stop something that has already gone viral world wide the only alternative is to call on their womaniser to conduct himself like professional head of state who ia leading the nation with a good moral conduct
Is this artist trying to jump on the controversial painting gravy train? We all know Mr Murray has become a overnight billionaire because of the complimentary international publicity that the ANC had given the artist.
The difference here is that noone cares about the AWB or ET...............noone ever did. Paintings about him will only stir the pot in Ventersdorp, and thats where it will stay. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
SharpSharp
Why Sowetan Disqualified my Sharpino username...For good sake i hv been using this name for more than two years....Why?????????Or our usernames expired at some point???????????????????????????
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May 31, 2012
Naked
Can these paintings stop surfacing now really. we've had enough of them already... Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Click
At least this painting is peaceful with harmony:
1. Reading the bible
2. Black man sitting on top of wjite man's lap (no big deal)
On the other hand.. "The Spear"
1. Super-man pose
2. Pornstar Leather Jacket
3. Gen!tals big enough to satisfy the Kimberley h0le
Practice makes perfect. Once one starts to take interest and discuss the arts then one's appreciation of it deepens as does the ability to see outside of one's own little world. That brings tolerance and opens the mind to new ideas Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Makhosini0408
CharlesTaylor
Makhosini0408
Morning ALL
Let us also argue that after all this is art, the artist is exercising his freedom of expression or rights?
My view, is that despite what Tereblance did and the way he was killed, this painting is unfortunate as the family is still dealing with the loss, especially after the trial. What happened to our sense of empathy and compassion?
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I also think the Sowetan journo is trying to sell the newspaper here, the drawing was made in February, 4 months ago, now they turn to go to every art gallery for any picture resembling racial division, because they saw that it can sell newspapers, we must be careful of the propaganda of these imperialist media companies.
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I am in the media industry, but it saddens me that the media is now a dividing force of influence instead of being objective and partial, so that the readers may draw up their own conclusion, but everything is done is the name of profit no matter the collateral damage. The vaccuum left by you Aggrey Klaaste, Sy Makaringe is too much to fill. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Maezizsto4Life
Why is the painting being brought to the public's attention now? Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Droooooza
Jah ke ya mo bona ET wants some that a@ss, his a horny bustard yena.... Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
mambaaai
@Click
At least this painting is peaceful with harmony:
1. Reading the bible
2. Black man sitting on top of wjite man's lap (no big deal)
On the other hand.. "The Spear"
1. Super-man pose
2. Pornstar Leather Jacket
3. Gen!tals big enough to satisfy the Kimberley h0le
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hahahaha yip no big deal ... and if you dont like it...dont look at it
le nna ke drawile winni a suna mbeki, who wana buy it? Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
SteveBiko
my painting the Bible is a sign of power. Right-wingers use the Bible to justify racism.
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450% CORRECT..the aparheid beneficiaries justified their evil deeds with a Bible saying they are the chosen one..... Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Danielrjvvuren
MommaC
Couldn't have said it better. Tolerance and education is the key. temperance understanding. Art does not force you to believe or see as the artist does, but just see it from their perspective. I think people misunderstand art and then condemn it way to easily. I saw an exhibition where it was women k1lling men, rather shocking, but each painting had a story to tell about abuse and such. If you did not read and understand most people would want it burnt . Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
ke-tla-go-ja-gore
oldlady5
I don't see how the kid on ET's lap resembles Mahlangu, but I suppose if the artist says so, then it must be Mahlangu.
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and the book resembles the dictionary Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
BaleliM
MissBhakajuju
Boring !!! this little kwerekwere boy must go play with his grand father's spear.
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you are quick to call names with other people and yet when it is done to you, you complain. Treat other people the way you want to be treated. respect is always earned. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
SharpSharp
MommaC
Danielrjvvuren
It looks like u hv an idea on how one should interprete art...So in ur views what informed the writer to suggest that this painting set "to provoke" Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Shredder
@MissBhakajuju
@Shredder
hi mo.tho wa.ka, you look very cro.ss with me this morning, o batla mama a ho fe eng for breakfast ge ??
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LOL. Jy moet op pas jong. Anyway, ha ore mama o cho wena? O batla go mpha eng? :-D Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Innoza1980
Looks like everybody wants to make headlines in one way or the other!!!!!!!!!! Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Danielrjvvuren
SharpSharp
The journalist is looking for sensationalism here and nothing more. In his mind he thinks this will spark the same feeling as The Spear did for the ANC, but in all fact could the AWB or the populis really care what this painting will do? It is tit for tat journalism here,but in actuality who cares? Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
SharpSharp
Makhosini0408
I am in the media industry, but it saddens me that the media is now a dividing force of influence instead of being objective and partial, so that the readers may draw up their own conclusion, but everything is done is the name of profit no matter the collateral damage. The vaccuum left by you Aggrey Klaaste, Sy Makaringe is too much to fill.
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So we dont have Good Editors any more... we are left with the likes of bo Ferial Haffajee who are anti govenment... I said it last year that the media is out there to destroy our country in the n ame of profit...They set agendas for gov and govmnt dance to thier tune...They realised now that the media is the biggest enemny of the Govmnt...It does nt promte social cohesion Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Groovisto
Copycat
Shame Vusi Beauchamp come up with an Original Idea. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
SharpSharp
Danielrjvvuren
I think we should critises this kind of writers in the strongest term it deserve....We are no longer interested in the media which divide the nation we should call on bur ning this kind of newspapers then they will think twice before putting an article... Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
The-Rothschilds
SharpSharp
The media has the right to report all the wrong doings of the government............that is why the media is there. And since the ANC controls 60% of the vote, it only makes sense that the media would report more on the ANC than any other institution. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Danielrjvvuren
SharpSharp
Why not write an article that says more politicians in art then give us all of them, I do not mind some news from of culture here and there, but why label it "to provoke" thats in essence false and all just to boost sales of an already emaciated publication. The only think this article provokes is for me to want to kick the journalist who wrote this rubbish. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
The-Rothschilds
CharlesTaylor
Makhosini0408
Rather than being fueled by the certain artwork and racial division so forth, we must also turn our attention to the intentions of these media companies by publishing such dividing articles. Do these companies create an enabling environment for the people of South Africa as a whole? Are they part of building a cohesion in our society?
It has become a norm in South African media that a good story is the one that create controversy and instability. As I said, we must (all of us) be careful of the propaganda of these imperialist media companies.
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The ANC started the type about controversial paintings, not the media.
And now you will probably find that there are thousands of black artists who have painted just as inhumane paintings as Mr Murray, which the media is going to expose now, all because of Jacob Zuma's "Dignity" which "apparently" represents the entire black population of SA. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
somaartakeit
LoL not wanting to be outdone, I am going to buy some paint and make a painting of Helen Zille ridding on the ox wagen into parly, I feel I also have to do something artistic, I considered making one of Mazibuko but the chick is so huge it will take me forever to finish it, lol Report Abuse
Heyi Criss Mahlangu had it very tough there, phela ke le nyora ET wa mo bona, ke battery hier so..... Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Mbeva
@Somaartakeit
LoL not wanting to be outdone, I am going to buy some paint and make a painting of Helen Zille ridding on the ox wagen into parly, I feel I also have to do something artistic, I considered making one of Mazibuko but the chick is so huge it will take me forever to finish it, lol
Do not forget to draw gallon of Botox.For Ms Mazibuko you need 25 litre of Dulux paint,hahahahaha
No problem with reporting but the problem is the unbalance reporting...I am not saying they should report only good stories of the Govmnt but in many times they overlook that and create lot of tensions among societies Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
mambaaai
@The-Rothschilds
The ANC started the type about controversial paintings, not the media.
And now you will probably find that there are thousands of black artists who have painted just as inhumane paintings as Mr Murray, which the media is going to expose now, all because of Jacob Zuma's "Dignity" which "apparently" represents the entire black population of SA
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eish! that dignity or spear thingy is going to be in too many jokes......from now forever Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Makhosini0408
SharpSharp
Makhosini0408
I am in the media industry, but it saddens me that the media is now a dividing force of influence instead of being objective and partial, so that the readers may draw up their own conclusion, but everything is done is the name of profit no matter the collateral damage. The vaccuum left by you Aggrey Klaaste, Sy Makaringe is too much to fill.
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So we dont have Good Editors any more... we are left with the likes of bo Ferial Haffajee who are anti govenment... I said it last year that the media is out there to destroy our country in the n ame of profit...They set agendas for gov and govmnt dance to thier tune...They realised now that the media is the biggest enemny of the Govmnt...It does nt promte social cohesion
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We do have good Editors but gutter journalism is taking over. That is why Mr Malema got the newsmaker for last year because they dependant on him for scoops. For starters, why are we ignoring a report that says that there is soo much rot in the country, that 109 GRADE 3 were impregnated in 2009 and opt for this ameteurish painting that will cause more division? Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Click
@ somaartakeit
Too see a painting of Lindiwe Mazibuko, you will have to travel in a Greyhound bus (120km).. Just too see her face to her waist..
No problem with reporting but the problem is the unbalance reporting...I am not saying they should report only good stories of the Govmnt but in many times they overlook that and create lot of tensions among societies
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The ANC created the tension with regards to "The Spear", Not the media.
The problem is that we depend on media to inform us...But dont worry i heard that DIRCO will launch govmnt radio station i m not sure what kind of station will be...eishhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i hv to go for meetinggggggggggggg chat later i am late already Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
mambaaai
@The-Rothschilds
SharpSharp
The-Rothschilds
No problem with reporting but the problem is the unbalance reporting...I am not saying they should report only good stories of the Govmnt but in many times they overlook that and create lot of tensions among societies
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The ANC created the tension with regards to "The Spear", Not the media.
100% agreed the ............Streisand effect......... is a well known phoenomena , this was a text book case......
plus all the cameras in place and the lighting in the gallery to film the defacers who miraculously prepared their paint without any body noticing, and the crying lawyers in court, and the street dancing
....... almost too surreal dont you think? Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
MissBhakajuju
@somaartakeit
LOL..... why don't you paint Jackson the dr.u.nken m.a.ster.
just an empty bottle of chivas regal & his ph.uza f.a.ce, so simple Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Thehumbleone
where is terre's penis in the picture? Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
somaartakeit
@MsBhaka lol ek se, the art phenomena is taking SA by storm,
@Click, lol you really are something special, I often wonder how you are like in real, your comments are so funny. Keep it bro, cause really if we can win this battle we might as well laugh at ourselves. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
somaartakeit
@Thehumbleone
where is terre's penis in the picture?
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Tjo when everything boils down to p#nis then one has to know we are in a d!ck crazy country, anyway I don't see anything 'provocative' in the painting, if the painting is abt telling our past as the painter suggests I'd have missed that msgs, if anything this painting puts ET in a good light, an elder reading bible/book to a youth?
@Makhosini0408 I did not understand your comment abt ET's painting, the guy who murdered him has been convicted, so his family can take comfort in the fact that justice was served even though ET's series of hate crimes victims thereof have not received justice, it was expected that the youth might walk, cause our police failed to gather evidence and follow investigation protocols, in order to leave no legal loophole for the youth to be acquitted, the incompetence of the police make the judges jobs very very hard, cause their incompetence impact on possibility of victims of violent crimes receiving justice. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
The-Rothschilds
mambaaai
I really couldnt care less who paints what seriously.............this hole situation was a complete waste of political airwaves to try and get sympathy votes for Zuma.
Service delivery protests in Walmer here in PE are more concerning. What was rather funny was to see the rioters tell Mr Faku and Mayor Wayile to v0etsek and threw rocks at them. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
mambaaai
The-Rothschilds
mambaaai
I really couldnt care less who paints what seriously.............this hole situation was a complete waste of political airwaves to try and get sympathy votes for Zuma.
Service delivery protests in Walmer here in PE are more concerning. What was rather funny was to see the rioters tell Mr Faku and Mayor Wayile to v0etsek and threw rocks at them.
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Mr Faku in a conversation about service delivery, corruption and "the spear" LOL Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Droooooza
Eish le tswayi ke mathatha wa tseba, I can understand ET's situation. Kumele ngiqindezele idombolo elilodwa nje this weekend ngehlise ukubaba... Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Makhosini0408
somaartakeit
@Makhosini0408 I did not understand your comment abt ET's painting, the guy who murdered him has been convicted, so his family can take comfort in the fact that justice was served even though ET's series of hate crimes victims thereof have not received justice, it was expected that the youth might walk, cause our police failed to gather evidence and follow investigation protocols, in order to leave no legal loophole for the youth to be acquitted, the incompetence of the police make the judges jobs very very hard, cause their incompetence impact on possibility of victims of violent crimes receiving justice.
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Sisi, I hope that you are well. I wanted to say that African culture respects the departed and even if we did not agree with ET''s political view, he needs to be accorded the opportunity to rest in peace. We do not mock the dead hence I call the painting unfortunate. ET died as a victim of crime in a cruel way and his family, friends and AWB, should be allowed to mourn his passing. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Click
@ somaartakeit
I'm scared of encountering you in real life.. The way you comment (paragraphs & essays) probably means you're an energetic fast-talker, with alot on your mind & won't give me a chance to even say "wait"..
Guys to missing the plot, the painting was done and FEBRUARY 2012 and the SPEAR only now in May. The artist is not a copycat, blame Sowetan for showing the artist's work late Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
The-Rothschilds
mambaaai
The-Rothschilds
mambaaai
I really couldnt care less who paints what seriously.............this hole situation was a complete waste of political airwaves to try and get sympathy votes for Zuma.
Service delivery protests in Walmer here in PE are more concerning. What was rather funny was to see the rioters tell Mr Faku and Mayor Wayile to v0etsek and threw rocks at them.
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Mr Faku in a conversation about service delivery, corruption and "the spear" LOL
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While the r.ioters were b.urning Walmer down and the Councillors house............Mr Faku was busy trying to gather a protest outside the Herald about "the s.pear". When the situation started to b.urn out of control, Faku decided to take a t.rip down to Walmer, only to c.hased right back to City Hall. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
mambaaai
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Guys to missing the plot, the painting was done and FEBRUARY 2012 and the SPEAR only now in May. The artist is not a copycat, blame Sowetan for showing the artist's work late
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It was a non-event then, and is and will be after this as well.....
@Makhosini0408 I see your view my brother, but we have since departed from these 'nice values' we used to have, we now the roughs and readys of the S.Pole, lol anyway I think ppl who are aggrieved by actions of a person as in ET and Shiceka's case, should be allowed to air these views/feelings, even if they may appear to be un compassionate, you must understand my friend and I say this in the nicest possible way, ppl are dis-empowered, if justice was served fairly to everyone and not selectively then there will be no hard feelings, admitted both ET and Shiceka lefts some raw feelings behind that cause us to not be able to feel compassion on their deaths but more like relieved that they are dead, cause the aggro they caused us will stop, I am not condoning murder but I understand why some wld still be angry with ET and feel to a certain level that Mahlangu guy delivered justice for them, cause police failed victims of ET some of whom are still to this day sittign on wheelchair as a direct result of vicious and horrific actions of ET, let us endeavour to speak truth all the time incl that which hurts us, cause only truth shall set us free.. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Dikae_difefe
Ke direkile machaineng, ke rekile di rasa di fong kong....cos last ba ntshitshe lerete la zuma, vusi what what o ntsha revenge Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
somaartakeit
@Click lol some of the things I respond to, need for me to be more detail in my responses, you know I think communication is the most important tool for one to make themselves understood, but in your case I will make exceptions and just write abbrevs. lol Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
MissBhakajuju
i want 2 comment on the Wedding of 2 Lesbians.
please sowetan, allow us to sing them praises, tuuuu.
alililililililililililililili, nguwo nguwo ngumtshato, wangena u Makoti....... *singing* Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
LBS
@SharpSharp
The article should read...Sowetan set 'to provoke' Terre'Blanche's painting
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Agreed!
If one looks at the painting without being TOLD what the subject matter is supposed to be, one sees a rather kindly man ( Not Eugene Terre'Blanche) reading a BOOK with a child on his lap.
In fact if one looks closely it looks like both the man and child are sleeping!
Moving along - no story here let alone anything provocative.
Time people in general stopped being led around by the nose by political parties and newspapers telling us what to think and starting thinking for themselves! Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Keafixa
MA south africa likes attention .....Y Y Y Y Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Click
@ somaartakeit
All I'm saying is, try putting in some "swagg" and a bit of "fo'shivyness" in your comments.. Now you're so direct and definately sound like a sober Judge Judy..
Art is simply a medium of expression. Just like when you listen to music, you interpret it within your own life experience. Once you know what the musician was trying to portray. you hear the music in a slightly different way BUT you still use your own experience to interpret it. If you now hear from ten other people about what the music means to them - you once again hear the music in a slightly different way BUT still through your own perspective. Report Abuse
MommaC, sorry late response. Was busy elsewhere. Anyways, I'm not trying to show any link between the JZ painting and paedophilia. All I'm trying to say is that everyone in this country believe with this new found fre.edom, they have the right to do their thing. Somewhere a line must be drawn. Some time we will have to decide what is acceptable in our society, and what is not, to prevent further such emotional outbursts as with the JZ painting. One person's rights should not be allowed to overshadow another person's rights. Here's a more simple example. I like classical music. On a Sunday afternoon I like to sit peacefully, and listen to it. I do not play it loud enough for my neighbour to hear. Then, like clockwork, a car will stop across the road in the park, and someone will be playing their music, and all I can hear is DOEF, DOEF, DOEF. No one has told these idjuts that the lower the sound, the longer the wavelength, so they cannot even hear their bass the way I do. Questions. Do I turn up my music, and irrate my neighbour, Do they turn down their music so that only they can hear, and I can listen to mine, and my neighbours to theirs? Whose rights is more important? That's all I'm trying to say here. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
SharpSharp
mambaaai
The ANC created the tension with regards to "The Spear", Not the media.
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I am not gonna argue who causes tension but its out the in the name of artistic expression another form of media freedom...
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Makhosini0408
Sisi, I hope that you are well. I wanted to say that African culture respects the departed and even if we did not agree with ET''s political view, he needs to be accorded the opportunity to rest in peace. We do not mock the dead hence I call the painting unfortunate. ET died as a victim of crime in a cruel way and his family, friends and AWB, should be allowed to mourn his passing.
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Are u suggesting we have a time frame for one to potray a dead person...As much as i didnt agree with ET's political view but i was also sadden by the way he died.But that doesnt mean things should stop to mourn his death...As long as it respect the dignity of that person(The ultimate right in the constitution) songs and painting should not be discouraged ..... Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
somaartakeit
@Click
@ somaartakeit
All I'm saying is, try putting in some "swagg" and a bit of "fo'shivyness" in your comments.. Now you're so direct and definately sound like a sober Judge Judy..
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LoL I will take your advice on my stride in the future:-) thanks Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
LESSON.1
i'm tired of this paintings - Aag man Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
SharpSharp
MommaC
SharpSharp
Art is simply a medium of expression. Just like when you listen to music, you interpret it within your own life experience. Once you know what the musician was trying to portray. you hear the music in a slightly different way BUT you still use your own experience to interpret it. If you now hear from ten other people about what the music means to them - you once again hear the music in a slightly different way BUT still through your own perspective.
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I am not sure if art also do the same as music...maybe is because we are foreign in this art expression thing...What i do know is when one buyy CD ya Zahara and love this one song that makes him feel good everytime he play it. So in music ppl buyyy those CD to feel good,dance to etc...So in painting can you buuuy something that makes u feel uncomfortable that does nt make u happy or feel good?????????????
I wldn't mind a portrait of the artist in this case, he has such beautiful facial features, and most beautiful set of teeth which makes his smile/laugh sparkle. Report Abuse
A lot of people still don't gert it : this painting is not objectionable, and you can rest assured that even the rightwingers will accept that it is freedom of speech, a few will obviously make some disgruntled noises, there willno tbe marches, bullying, etc. The difference bewtween thsi and " the Spear" , for me at least, is that the latter was an uneccesary attack on the privacy and dignity - a political/satirical point can be made without depicting a person like that. If thius painting showed ET, with full frontal of p.enis, busy sodomising, it would have been objectionable. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
The-Rothschilds
cornelius
A lot of people still don't gert it : this painting is not objectionable, and you can rest assured that even the rightwingers will accept that it is freedom of speech, a few will obviously make some disgruntled noises, there willno tbe marches, bullying, etc. The difference bewtween thsi and " the Spear" , for me at least, is that the latter was an uneccesary attack on the privacy and dignity - a political/satirical point can be made without depicting a person like that. If thius painting showed ET, with full frontal of p.enis, busy sodomising, it would have been objectionable.
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People dont care about paintings................the ANC mad a fuss about something pointless to try and win sympathy for Zuma who's popularity is on the decline.
Let the artists paint what they want. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Tabza325is
Beauchamp, Gents excluding ladies, guys, perverts, nymphos google the name Bianca Beauchamp Yesus believe your eyes will pop out. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Manarchy
The painting itself looks ok. Maybe this artist is just trying to get attention though.
The ANC created the tension with regards to "The Spear", Not the media.
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Makhosini0408
Sisi, I hope that you are well. I wanted to say that African culture respects the departed and even if we did not agree with ET''s political view, he needs to be accorded the opportunity to rest in peace. We do not mock the dead hence I call the painting unfortunate. ET died as a victim of crime in a cruel way and his family, friends and AWB, should be allowed to mourn his passing.
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Are u suggesting we have a time frame for one to potray a dead person...As much as i didnt agree with ET's political view but i was also sadden by the way he died.But that doesnt mean things should stop to mourn his death...As long as it respect the dignity of that person(The ultimate right in the constitution) songs and painting should not be discouraged .....
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Let sleeping dogs lie. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
SharpSharp
Makhosini0408
Let sleeping dogs lie.
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OK....Lets leave it there...............................we dont need any trouble Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
mambaaai
@ sharpsharp
I like the one quotation from one of the founding fathers of the USA......... "You can do anything in the persuit of happiness provided you do not take somebody elses happiness away" ........ Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Silververstone
I am a South African trying to make a living. I am neither Pro White or Pro Black. My primary aim in life is to work, earn money, live happily within my means.
Do there dam artists realize that one silly painting from them, be it the spear or ET is polarizing the country? Do they give a dam? I believe the spear went up from R140 000 in value to a final selling bid of more than R400 000.
While blacks and whites are getting upset about allegations and counter allegations this artist is sitting with the money in his pocket laughing at us and the country.
Now another fool makes a painting that is going to get everyone up in arms again.
Someone once said that with Freedom comes Great Responsibility. I doubt if any of these artists have ANY sense of responsibility with the FREEDOM of Expression that was given to them. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
meerkat-TL
Eish, Kenny Rogers is going to klap this boy with his stupid painting with a huge lawsuit! Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
kitty2wp
Why is it that so many black people thing ET represented all white people - truth is the majority of whites had no time for ET (but the man is dead), so what's the point of this painting exactly? Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Ngaitatou
ai, looks nothing like et, could rather be someones next door neibour or something. not as good quality as zuma's. at least the artist got it sold! i think he sold it for the "what it's suppose to be" and not what it is really. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Ngaitatou
hahaha funny meerkat! i reckon your spot on, it does look like kenny! i knew he looked familiar, but could figure it out! cheer mate!
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MGEEZ
You are a stirrer wena.Report Abuse
Bodigelo
But there is no penis in the image!Report Abuse
ZUMAMUSTGO
The picture is not clear, is Vusi implying that ET was a pedo?Report Abuse
TheNewFreedomFighter
If the ANC doesn't condemn this as racist, order its people to march against it and start a legal case then I will have to conclude with 100% certainty that the ANC has capitalised on The Spear for its narrow racist and populist policies and to have Jacob "The P e n i s" Zuma re-elected.Report Abuse
mambaaai
HAHAHA the ANC and in particular JZ has created a monster.... in the form of art HAHAHAHA we are gonna see some lovely stuff coming through...... SA the art center of the world................where politicians are painted........ EINAAAAAAAAAAAAAA for some politicians I think......... there are artist that are going to come out of the woodwork we never knew existedd........ plus we saw what happened with the spear court case..... the case was sooo weak the lawyer started crying in court...... wait for it SA we are gonna see some wonderful thought provoking worksReport Abuse
tpaz
so last year.....Report Abuse
ancnduntsu
IGNORE MR COPYCAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Unfortunately the AWB does not have bull terriers like Mantashe and Mthembu. Viva "Da Spear"Report Abuse
Doculam
Nice piece of art. Lots of emotion, really good(wont put it in my house though). I just cant help wondering if this artist is not just riding the publicity wave of the spear painting. Cheap promotion for yourself perhaps??Report Abuse
Makhosini0408
Morning ALLLet us also argue that after all this is art, the artist is exercising his freedom of expression or rights?
My view, is that despite what Tereblance did and the way he was killed, this painting is unfortunate as the family is still dealing with the loss, especially after the trial. What happened to our sense of empathy and compassion?
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Pointman
@Doculum - read the article - it was painted in february.Report Abuse
Uncompromising
The dude better get himself a bullet proof vest !Report Abuse
ntshware-ke-yawa
should this one be brought to court then I will know that we (South Africans) have so much time to play on useless issues rather than working on Nation Building and country development.Report Abuse
DJWinner
Well, he is not naked. I see nothing wrong with the painting really.Report Abuse
7000000
Who cares about this useless kind of art any where, whatever......Report Abuse
mambaaai
ntshware-ke-yawashould this one be brought to court then I will know that we (South Africans) have so much time to play on useless issues rather than working on Nation Building and country development.
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Thats the problem.... a good leader works toward building the country up for all, not woorying about his d***. these people are all excersiing their "constitutional rights" we fought for.... the previous lot regeme used to block everything.... the oath taken by JZ is that he will uphold the constution....thats his job......now taking these people to court is against the constitution.... plus he said nothing about a bl@ck guy who painted the same thing.... different treatment for two differnt people based on the colour of their skin makes it a racist act in itself...... in one step JZ could have reduced the country to a mess....all around his ......
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Phunyukabemphethe
Nothing that can draw public attention, it just paintingReport Abuse
mathopeed
wa chansa boyReport Abuse
DoubleStandards
I dont htink anyone will care, its just Zuma and his fragile ego that is bothered by political messages in paintings.Report Abuse
Danielrjvvuren
Nothing wrong with it? Its pretty, I like how the paint is running as if tears were shed from the paintings itself. It is more a slap in the face for black people to be painted like that, isn't it? Or it could be how Terre'Blanche saw people of color? But nothing stirs because we KNOW IT IS ART!!!Report Abuse
guiliano
An eye for an eye makes the world blind.Report Abuse
Doculam
@ Pointman: @Doculum - read the article - it was painted in february.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I read the article Pointman, what is your point though man? Do you think Sowetan sends its journalists all over the country to find controversial art work? No they dont, this dude drew the attention his side at a time that I view as opportunistic. Just like Murry, an artist must be well known for their good works, not due to controversy. Beauchamp and Murry failed to achieve this.
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Longos
Just sit and wait, they are more paintings of this nature to comeReport Abuse
oldlady5
I don't see how the kid on ET's lap resembles Mahlangu, but I suppose if the artist says so, then it must be Mahlangu.Makhosini0408, I'm with you on this one. Somewhere we have to draw a line as to what is art, and what is hurtful. Didn't surprise me that John Vlismas would buy the painting. He's one of those people hiding behind his "art" to pretty much say anything about anyone he damn well pleases, then he puts a few funny things inbetween, and people actually pay to go listen to him. What happened to entertainment being a nice Sunday afternoon family picnic where all in the park considers the family next to them? If this, and especially The Spear is fre.edom, I have to say I preferred censorship.
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SharpSharp
I dont see anything wrong with the painting...It is ET ,Chris Mahlangu and the bible...The fact that ET is dea.d that does nt mean he must not be painted...Unless if we say it is not right to paint a dea d person then thats another argument...Report Abuse
Danielrjvvuren
oldlady5You prefer censorship? This is the first time I will disagree with you. Who would decide what is good for us and what we may or may not see? Have you ever read 1984? Totalitarian police states can not be tolerated. Imagine 7de laan censored for something stupid little things. No more news, no Carte Blanche we will know nothing and the people doing the censorship can do and say as they please and we the people will be none the wiser? I'm sorry thats just not on. I understand what you saying, but just not on...
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Danielrjvvuren
SharpSharpIf that is the case all the paintings with jesus is wrong. Paintings should stir emotions and questions this does just that. Its beautiful really.
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DJWinner
MissBhakajujuBoring !!! this little kwerekwere boy must go play with his grand father's spear
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You comment is offencive to the foreigners. I can see you are a xenophobic person.
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itsme4sure
so what.....and can the media stop it with their propaganda of trying their best to devide our nation....your headline is indeed trying to stir uncalled for emotions amongst us readers.....i am all for art and all for freedom of expression....if the Terreblanche trial brought about the artistic creativity of this artist (Vusi Beauchamp) and he wants to put it on a canvass...I say big ups to him, cos he is using the gift he was blessed with..to bring across his message..... and I have the same opinion of Brett Murray...I see absolutely nothing wrong here with both of these paintings.Report Abuse
SharpSharp
I said it last week that this country has been reduced to artistic country...Even less harm painting are now brought to us to sensor...This is just a meer piece of an art without dehumaning, disrespctful or nude artReport Abuse
Socrates
You are drunk, who says bible is a sign of power and superiority...some stupid blacks with shallow knowlegde and informationReport Abuse
oldlady5
Danielrjvvuren, unlike you, I've actually lived censorship. What bliss to really, really do not know. 1984 was one of my prescribed books in school, and I've read it maybe 20 times. I actually grew up with no news (TV came out when I was already all grown up), no money to waste for batteries for a radio (that's if you had one), and families being families. But, I suppose you're right. For that to work again, we would have to have a sensible, responsible government, and I just don't see that coming anytime soon. Can we, as a nation, then at least have some sort of discussions as to what is acceptable in society, and what is not? Heard that song with the word...."Fre.edom's just another word for nothing left to lose..." Think about the words carefully, because it's very true. If there's nothing left to protect in life, what's left to live for?Report Abuse
Jozi40
I actually like the painting the is no sign of human right violation eish nami I should start drawing again i will start ngo uncle Juju then Cele, Mdluli & Mbhoro's manicureReport Abuse
Bumboklaat
Next thing they would want to make a 'spear' movie! Nxa!Report Abuse
SharpSharp
DanielrjvvurenSharpSharp
If that is the case all the paintings with jesus is wrong. Paintings should stir emotions and questions this does just that. Its beautiful really.
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I am not sure if u understand me... I am saying i see nothing wrong with the painting unless if u dont agree with me then u can explain what is wrong with the painting. I dont get u when u say all painting with jesus is wrong if that is the case...Clarify?????????
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Gore
Opportunistic and silly. I know in Africa the dead are treated with dignity. The Zuma painting was wrong and I'll conceived. Ask yourself this, what would Mandela react like. Fire on fire? No. Paint ET in dignified way. That's how we blacks have always been taught to treat elders with isidimo inhlonipho respect. Your painting is sad, silly, immature and no art at all. Please grow up and realise the hurt u are causing the ET family and friends. Forget and forgive him.Report Abuse
MommaC
Again. A piece of art that really doesn't have a whole lot of artistic merit or insight. I still prefer Ayanda Mabulu's work. His paintings of ET are more emotional and far better especially the 'Primitive Weapon" one..Report Abuse
MissBhakajuju
DJWinnerYou comment is offencive to the foreigners. I can see you are a xenophobic person
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thats a Kasi name for a foreigner, or do you have any other term to describe them ???
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itsme4sure
ITS JUST A FOKKEN PAINTING....GET OVER URSELVES ALREADY.....THE MEDIA INCLUDED.Report Abuse
Makhosini0408
@SowetanI am battling to understand why the research which is front news on THE TIMES, where it revealed that 109 GRADE 3 learners were impregnated in 2009, is not covered and we still have to debate about amateur artists, who want to be noticed at the expense of others?
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DJWinner
I'm thinking about attending painting courses. It seems as if painting is more popular career these days. I can make some extra cash to pay for my private stripper shows.Report Abuse
oldlady5
Actually, looking at this painting again ( I still do not see any resemblance to mahlangu), the artist painted Et in a very caring way. A loving old man comforting a child on his lap. If I was his family, I might just try to buy it from Vlismas.Report Abuse
mambaaai
oldlady5I don't see how the kid on ET's lap resembles Mahlangu, but I suppose if the artist says so, then it must be Mahlangu.
Makhosini0408, I'm with you on this one. Somewhere we have to draw a line as to what is art, and what is hurtful. Didn't surprise me that John Vlismas would buy the painting. He's one of those people hiding behind his "art" to pretty much say anything about anyone he damn well pleases, then he puts a few funny things inbetween, and people actually pay to go listen to him. What happened to entertainment being a nice Sunday afternoon family picnic where all in the park considers the family next to them? If this, and especially The Spear is fre.edom, I have to say I preferred censorship.
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agreed censorship made things safe............. but we fought for freedom, of everything...... they "say be careful what you wish for because you may just get it" and so this is freedom of expression......ok now we have seen an aspect of it.......... if everyone, just respected and accepted that... and laughed it off as a painting by some idiot....... it would all have been a complete non-event. Just as this painting was back in February regardless of how tasteless it is........in terms of trying to score from somebodies death and somebodies wrongdoing as in murder, it was a non-event...........
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MissBhakajujuDJWinner
You comment is offencive to the foreigners. I can see you are a xenophobic person
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thats a Kasi name for a foreigner, or do you have any other term to describe them ???
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Just call them foreigners. That is good enough.
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BaleliM
Two wrongs will never make a right. Enuf already!!Report Abuse
MissBhakajuju
@itsme4sureHi Sugar Love.
No, they must stop with this painting n.o.ns.ense now, its so yesterday.
if anyone paints, they must paint their families Qha ke .
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oldlady5
DJWinner, great idea. You can paint just about anything, and wait for the right moment when something happens to stir emotions, look at your gallery of paintings, and find one that can be interpreted in a way to fit that situation and make lots of money. With our emotional country, it can't be that difficult.Report Abuse
GoonerASean
My Man, Black Power till we dieReport Abuse
SharpSharp
oldlady5Actually, looking at this painting again ( I still do not see any resemblance to mahlangu), the artist painted Et in a very caring way. A loving old man comforting a child on his lap. If I was his family, I might just try to buy it from Vlismas.
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I am not good in interpreting arts but i see it the way u see it....
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Danielrjvvuren
oldlady5Yes getting a sensible government to censor things will be close to impossible and censorship with technology is impossible really. Back then with the less media to censor it was easy, try censoring the Internet will never really be possible. The dissemination of information happens to fast for any real body to be able to censor it.
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I think we misunderstood each other. I am with you on the entire thought, but you said it is not wrong to paint someone who is dead, then I added if so all the paintings with jesus would be wrong.
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Shredder
There is no p3nis hanging out here. It is nothing comapared to The Spear@MissBhakajuju
Boring !!! this little kwerekwere boy must go play with his grand father's spear.
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kwerekwere? I wish I could give you a tongue lashing, but I will just leave it.
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MissBhakajuju
DJWinnerJust call them foreigners. That is good enough.
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foreigner is an English word, King George would be very proud of you Son. well cool I'll stick with it !!!!
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CharlesTaylor
Makhosini0408Morning ALL
Let us also argue that after all this is art, the artist is exercising his freedom of expression or rights?
My view, is that despite what Tereblance did and the way he was killed, this painting is unfortunate as the family is still dealing with the loss, especially after the trial. What happened to our sense of empathy and compassion?
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I also think the Sowetan journo is trying to sell the newspaper here, the drawing was made in February, 4 months ago, now they turn to go to every art gallery for any picture resembling racial division, because they saw that it can sell newspapers, we must be careful of the propaganda of these imperialist media companies.
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Danielrjvvuren
Paintings or art is not suppose to be seen by the general masses, unless you go look for it. Art in itself is a niche market, so there should be no censorship of it. If you do not like it do not view it is the best and most simple answer I can give. Media should not thrust art in our faces as it is not their function to do so. They must report news not create sensation...Report Abuse
MommaC
DanielrjvvurenI disagree.
Art, like .literature, should be for everyone. The act of interpreting art is an educational experience and broadens the mind. Something we seriously need in our country
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oldlady5
Mambaaai, I hear you, but the problem is, not everyone's the same. We have so many cultures and mixes of people in this country, that we'll just have to find a way where fre.edom of expression meets someone's right to dignity. We can't only have the fre.edom of whatever side taking, and the other side giving. Let's just think of this. There are some groups of people in this country who actually believe that it is not wrong to "love" a child. They say sex with children as young as 9 yrs is normal. They believe that the rest of us have perversed the issue. Should they also be allowed to express their fre.edom? We can't have fre.dom for one group of whatever, and not the other. With fre.edom comes responsibility, and I believe it is time that some clear guidelines are being laid down. I'm very sorry to hear that the ANC dropped the courtcase, because I'd have loved to hear how our law interprets one right versus the other.Report Abuse
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MissBhakajujuDJWinner
Just call them foreigners. That is good enough.
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foreigner is an English word, King George would be very proud of you Son. well cool I'll stick with it !!!!
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What language is kwerekwere?
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CharlesTaylorMakhosini0408
Morning ALL
Let us also argue that after all this is art, the artist is exercising his freedom of expression or rights?
My view, is that despite what Tereblance did and the way he was killed, this painting is unfortunate as the family is still dealing with the loss, especially after the trial. What happened to our sense of empathy and compassion?
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I also think the Sowetan journo is trying to sell the newspaper here, the drawing was made in February, 4 months ago, now they turn to go to every art gallery for any picture resembling racial division, because they saw that it can sell newspapers, we must be careful of the propaganda of these imperialist media companies.
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Expect the AWB and the family, which is within their rights to challenge the painting. Some things are unneccesary. Sowetan indeed has lost the plot.
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MissBhakajuju
@Shredderhi mo.tho wa.ka, you look very cro.ss with me this morning, o batla mama a ho fe eng for breakfast ge ??
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KasiKid
To be honest, if we were not told who are the people on the picture, most of us wouldn't have known who are they.Report Abuse
SharpSharp
DanielrjvvurenOk i get u now...So if that is the case can we say Patience Bambalele's view is rubbisssssh when saying Terre'Blanche painting set 'to provoke' and ask SOWETAN to remove the article as always.......
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Abylee
Wa thoma! Here i was thinking all the art drama is soooo last year! It dasn't look like ET anyway, the joke is on u bra, u won't get that much attention....Report Abuse
oldlady5
MissBhakajuju, kwerekwere is a hurtful word to foreigners, the same as the K word is a hurtful word to blacks. Doesn't matter where the word comes from, or which language it is ,or how it started, or how it's intended, if it hurts people, don't use it. Simple. Then again, I suppose if it's okay to hurt people with paintings, it's okay to hurt people with words. Anyone defending the JZ painting think about that one yet?Report Abuse
Click
ET looks horny in this painting... This is RACIST!!! I blame AZAPO, Robert Sibukwe, Bantu-Education, Squatter-Camps, Jam-Alley..Report Abuse
CharlesTaylor
Makhosini0408Rather than being fueled by the certain artwork and racial division so forth, we must also turn our attention to the intentions of these media companies by publishing such dividing articles. Do these companies create an enabling environment for the people of South Africa as a whole? Are they part of building a cohesion in our society?
It has become a norm in South African media that a good story is the one that create controversy and instability. As I said, we must (all of us) be careful of the propaganda of these imperialist media companies.
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ClickET looks horny in this painting... This is RACIST!!! I blame AZAPO, Robert Sibukwe, Bantu-Education, Squatter-Camps, Jam-Alley..
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morning humour hey ? kikikikikikikikikikikikikikikikik LOL " squatter-camps, jam alley"
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menomasweu
There is nothing contrvecial about the piece... Chris Mahlangu has been distorted and cannot identify him unless somebody tells is Chris!!!Report Abuse
MommaC
oldlady5I can't really see your 1ink between paedophilia and a painting of Zuma. Some of his wives are very young but they really don't qualify as being 'children'.
I also can't see how words that are used to dehumanise people can be 1inked to a painting of Zuma. The idea that we could have a whole Rwanda scenario because someone paints one man's (Zuma's) 'spear' is unlikely. Naming a whole race of people is done to make them appear less human and therefore not worthy of being treated as human. Painting a man in an unflattering light is to make a statement about THAT individual - not a call for genocide
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Mbeva
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mambaaai
@oldlady5Mambaaai, I hear you, but the problem is, not everyone's the same. We have so many cultures and mixes of people in this country, that we'll just have to find a way where fre.edom of expression meets someone's right to dignity. We can't only have the fre.edom of whatever side taking, and the other side giving. Let's just think of this. There are some groups of people in this country who actually believe that it is not wrong to "love" a child. They say sex with children as young as 9 yrs is normal. They believe that the rest of us have perversed the issue. Should they also be allowed to express their fre.edom? We can't have fre.dom for one group of whatever, and not the other. With fre.edom comes responsibility, and I believe it is time that some clear guidelines are being laid down. I'm very sorry to hear that the ANC dropped the courtcase, because I'd have loved to hear how our law interprets one right versus the other.
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I think you have hit a big nail on the head....with freedom comes responsibility..... and so this is also included in many ways in the all the great religions.... do unto others etc etc ...... having said that, the reason we wanted freedom of expression is because we were silenced when there was wrong doing being done to us, and we could not say anything. So, with freedom comes responsibilty, if one is doing nothing wrong nobody can comment, and/or the comment is meaningless because it doesent hit a nerve.... in artist terms what was the artist expressing about this politician? Is he and his "friends and family" doing right by the people or are the people being scr.ewed?
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SharpSharp
Thank You Mr Editor you have a good ear........I see u take the article down...down at the end it will be out...Thank youReport Abuse
Danielrjvvuren
SharpSharpYes the view is rubbish. No one will take offense to this at all as it is just looking for attention really.
MommaC
I see your point to, but if you are going to see art you must do so with an open mind and not condemn the artist for his or her interpretation of life is it not? Go enjoy art go interpret art, get angry at art, but when you start defiling it or wanting it to be taken down you do not deserve the right to see that art. Its like me running on stage and kicking the swan queen for plie-ing wrong. Just does not work that way?
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Nice try Vusi, but as an artist you need to orginal, look at me, I'm giving you zero attention, stupid.Report Abuse
Naked
"painting set to provoke "provoke what? Its just a painting,and a bad one,its nt a proffessional one. Why is it only being reported now? *opportunists* yawwwn
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SharpSharp
The article should read...Sowetan set 'to provoke' Terre'Blanche's paintingReport Abuse
rasefatee
i have the picture of the spear in my laptop i am going to print enlarge frame it and put it in my room ANC is just like a headless chicken how do you stop something that has already gone viral world wide the only alternative is to call on their womaniser to conduct himself like professional head of state who ia leading the nation with a good moral conductReport Abuse
The-Rothschilds
Is this artist trying to jump on the controversial painting gravy train? We all know Mr Murray has become a overnight billionaire because of the complimentary international publicity that the ANC had given the artist.The difference here is that noone cares about the AWB or ET...............noone ever did. Paintings about him will only stir the pot in Ventersdorp, and thats where it will stay.
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SharpSharp
Why Sowetan Disqualified my Sharpino username...For good sake i hv been using this name for more than two years....Why?????????Or our usernames expired at some point?????????????????????????????????????????????????? I need an answer................
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Naked
Can these paintings stop surfacing now really. we've had enough of them already...Report Abuse
Click
At least this painting is peaceful with harmony:1. Reading the bible
2. Black man sitting on top of wjite man's lap (no big deal)
On the other hand.. "The Spear"
1. Super-man pose
2. Pornstar Leather Jacket
3. Gen!tals big enough to satisfy the Kimberley h0le
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MommaC
DanielrjvvurenPractice makes perfect. Once one starts to take interest and discuss the arts then one's appreciation of it deepens as does the ability to see outside of one's own little world. That brings tolerance and opens the mind to new ideas
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CharlesTaylorMakhosini0408
Morning ALL
Let us also argue that after all this is art, the artist is exercising his freedom of expression or rights?
My view, is that despite what Tereblance did and the way he was killed, this painting is unfortunate as the family is still dealing with the loss, especially after the trial. What happened to our sense of empathy and compassion?
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I also think the Sowetan journo is trying to sell the newspaper here, the drawing was made in February, 4 months ago, now they turn to go to every art gallery for any picture resembling racial division, because they saw that it can sell newspapers, we must be careful of the propaganda of these imperialist media companies.
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I am in the media industry, but it saddens me that the media is now a dividing force of influence instead of being objective and partial, so that the readers may draw up their own conclusion, but everything is done is the name of profit no matter the collateral damage. The vaccuum left by you Aggrey Klaaste, Sy Makaringe is too much to fill.
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Maezizsto4Life
Why is the painting being brought to the public's attention now?Report Abuse
Droooooza
Jah ke ya mo bona ET wants some that a@ss, his a horny bustard yena....Report Abuse
mambaaai
@ClickAt least this painting is peaceful with harmony:
1. Reading the bible
2. Black man sitting on top of wjite man's lap (no big deal)
On the other hand.. "The Spear"
1. Super-man pose
2. Pornstar Leather Jacket
3. Gen!tals big enough to satisfy the Kimberley h0le
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hahahaha yip no big deal ... and if you dont like it...dont look at it
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ke-tla-go-ja-gore
le nna ke drawile winni a suna mbeki, who wana buy it?Report Abuse
SteveBiko
my painting the Bible is a sign of power. Right-wingers use the Bible to justify racism.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
450% CORRECT..the aparheid beneficiaries justified their evil deeds with a Bible saying they are the chosen one.....
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Danielrjvvuren
MommaCCouldn't have said it better. Tolerance and education is the key. temperance understanding. Art does not force you to believe or see as the artist does, but just see it from their perspective. I think people misunderstand art and then condemn it way to easily. I saw an exhibition where it was women k1lling men, rather shocking, but each painting had a story to tell about abuse and such. If you did not read and understand most people would want it burnt .
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oldlady5I don't see how the kid on ET's lap resembles Mahlangu, but I suppose if the artist says so, then it must be Mahlangu.
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and the book resembles the dictionary
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BaleliM
MissBhakajujuBoring !!! this little kwerekwere boy must go play with his grand father's spear.
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you are quick to call names with other people and yet when it is done to you, you complain. Treat other people the way you want to be treated. respect is always earned.
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MommaCDanielrjvvuren
It looks like u hv an idea on how one should interprete art...So in ur views what informed the writer to suggest that this painting set "to provoke"
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Shredder
@MissBhakajuju@Shredder
hi mo.tho wa.ka, you look very cro.ss with me this morning, o batla mama a ho fe eng for breakfast ge ??
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LOL. Jy moet op pas jong. Anyway, ha ore mama o cho wena? O batla go mpha eng? :-D
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Innoza1980
Looks like everybody wants to make headlines in one way or the other!!!!!!!!!!Report Abuse
Danielrjvvuren
SharpSharpThe journalist is looking for sensationalism here and nothing more. In his mind he thinks this will spark the same feeling as The Spear did for the ANC, but in all fact could the AWB or the populis really care what this painting will do? It is tit for tat journalism here,but in actuality who cares?
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SharpSharp
Makhosini0408I am in the media industry, but it saddens me that the media is now a dividing force of influence instead of being objective and partial, so that the readers may draw up their own conclusion, but everything is done is the name of profit no matter the collateral damage. The vaccuum left by you Aggrey Klaaste, Sy Makaringe is too much to fill.
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So we dont have Good Editors any more... we are left with the likes of bo Ferial Haffajee who are anti govenment... I said it last year that the media is out there to destroy our country in the n ame of profit...They set agendas for gov and govmnt dance to thier tune...They realised now that the media is the biggest enemny of the Govmnt...It does nt promte social cohesion
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CopycatShame Vusi Beauchamp come up with an Original Idea.
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SharpSharp
DanielrjvvurenI think we should critises this kind of writers in the strongest term it deserve....We are no longer interested in the media which divide the nation we should call on bur ning this kind of newspapers then they will think twice before putting an article...
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The-Rothschilds
SharpSharpThe media has the right to report all the wrong doings of the government............that is why the media is there. And since the ANC controls 60% of the vote, it only makes sense that the media would report more on the ANC than any other institution.
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Danielrjvvuren
SharpSharpWhy not write an article that says more politicians in art then give us all of them, I do not mind some news from of culture here and there, but why label it "to provoke" thats in essence false and all just to boost sales of an already emaciated publication. The only think this article provokes is for me to want to kick the journalist who wrote this rubbish.
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CharlesTaylorMakhosini0408
Rather than being fueled by the certain artwork and racial division so forth, we must also turn our attention to the intentions of these media companies by publishing such dividing articles. Do these companies create an enabling environment for the people of South Africa as a whole? Are they part of building a cohesion in our society?
It has become a norm in South African media that a good story is the one that create controversy and instability. As I said, we must (all of us) be careful of the propaganda of these imperialist media companies.
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The ANC started the type about controversial paintings, not the media.
And now you will probably find that there are thousands of black artists who have painted just as inhumane paintings as Mr Murray, which the media is going to expose now, all because of Jacob Zuma's "Dignity" which "apparently" represents the entire black population of SA.
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LoL not wanting to be outdone, I am going to buy some paint and make a painting of Helen Zille ridding on the ox wagen into parly, I feel I also have to do something artistic, I considered making one of Mazibuko but the chick is so huge it will take me forever to finish it, lolReport Abuse
The-Rothschilds
type - hypeReport Abuse
Droooooza
Heyi Criss Mahlangu had it very tough there, phela ke le nyora ET wa mo bona, ke battery hier so.....Report Abuse
Mbeva
@SomaartakeitLoL not wanting to be outdone, I am going to buy some paint and make a painting of Helen Zille ridding on the ox wagen into parly, I feel I also have to do something artistic, I considered making one of Mazibuko but the chick is so huge it will take me forever to finish it, lol
Do not forget to draw gallon of Botox.For Ms Mazibuko you need 25 litre of Dulux paint,hahahahaha
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The-RothschildsNo problem with reporting but the problem is the unbalance reporting...I am not saying they should report only good stories of the Govmnt but in many times they overlook that and create lot of tensions among societies
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mambaaai
@The-RothschildsThe ANC started the type about controversial paintings, not the media.
And now you will probably find that there are thousands of black artists who have painted just as inhumane paintings as Mr Murray, which the media is going to expose now, all because of Jacob Zuma's "Dignity" which "apparently" represents the entire black population of SA
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eish! that dignity or spear thingy is going to be in too many jokes......from now forever
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SharpSharpMakhosini0408
I am in the media industry, but it saddens me that the media is now a dividing force of influence instead of being objective and partial, so that the readers may draw up their own conclusion, but everything is done is the name of profit no matter the collateral damage. The vaccuum left by you Aggrey Klaaste, Sy Makaringe is too much to fill.
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So we dont have Good Editors any more... we are left with the likes of bo Ferial Haffajee who are anti govenment... I said it last year that the media is out there to destroy our country in the n ame of profit...They set agendas for gov and govmnt dance to thier tune...They realised now that the media is the biggest enemny of the Govmnt...It does nt promte social cohesion
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We do have good Editors but gutter journalism is taking over. That is why Mr Malema got the newsmaker for last year because they dependant on him for scoops. For starters, why are we ignoring a report that says that there is soo much rot in the country, that 109 GRADE 3 were impregnated in 2009 and opt for this ameteurish painting that will cause more division?
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@ somaartakeitToo see a painting of Lindiwe Mazibuko, you will have to travel in a Greyhound bus (120km).. Just too see her face to her waist..
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SharpSharpThe-Rothschilds
No problem with reporting but the problem is the unbalance reporting...I am not saying they should report only good stories of the Govmnt but in many times they overlook that and create lot of tensions among societies
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The ANC created the tension with regards to "The Spear", Not the media.
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Makhosini0408The problem is that we depend on media to inform us...But dont worry i heard that DIRCO will launch govmnt radio station i m not sure what kind of station will be...eishhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i hv to go for meetinggggggggggggg chat later i am late already
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@The-RothschildsSharpSharp
The-Rothschilds
No problem with reporting but the problem is the unbalance reporting...I am not saying they should report only good stories of the Govmnt but in many times they overlook that and create lot of tensions among societies
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The ANC created the tension with regards to "The Spear", Not the media.
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100% agreed the ............Streisand effect......... is a well known phoenomena , this was a text book case......
plus all the cameras in place and the lighting in the gallery to film the defacers who miraculously prepared their paint without any body noticing, and the crying lawyers in court, and the street dancing
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MissBhakajuju
@somaartakeitLOL..... why don't you paint Jackson the dr.u.nken m.a.ster.
just an empty bottle of chivas regal & his ph.uza f.a.ce, so simple
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Thehumbleone
where is terre's penis in the picture?Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@MsBhaka lol ek se, the art phenomena is taking SA by storm,@Click, lol you really are something special, I often wonder how you are like in real, your comments are so funny. Keep it bro, cause really if we can win this battle we might as well laugh at ourselves.
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somaartakeit
@Thehumbleonewhere is terre's penis in the picture?
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Tjo when everything boils down to p#nis then one has to know we are in a d!ck crazy country, anyway I don't see anything 'provocative' in the painting, if the painting is abt telling our past as the painter suggests I'd have missed that msgs, if anything this painting puts ET in a good light, an elder reading bible/book to a youth?
@Makhosini0408 I did not understand your comment abt ET's painting, the guy who murdered him has been convicted, so his family can take comfort in the fact that justice was served even though ET's series of hate crimes victims thereof have not received justice, it was expected that the youth might walk, cause our police failed to gather evidence and follow investigation protocols, in order to leave no legal loophole for the youth to be acquitted, the incompetence of the police make the judges jobs very very hard, cause their incompetence impact on possibility of victims of violent crimes receiving justice.
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mambaaaiI really couldnt care less who paints what seriously.............this hole situation was a complete waste of political airwaves to try and get sympathy votes for Zuma.
Service delivery protests in Walmer here in PE are more concerning. What was rather funny was to see the rioters tell Mr Faku and Mayor Wayile to v0etsek and threw rocks at them.
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The-Rothschildsmambaaai
I really couldnt care less who paints what seriously.............this hole situation was a complete waste of political airwaves to try and get sympathy votes for Zuma.
Service delivery protests in Walmer here in PE are more concerning. What was rather funny was to see the rioters tell Mr Faku and Mayor Wayile to v0etsek and threw rocks at them.
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Mr Faku in a conversation about service delivery, corruption and "the spear" LOL
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Droooooza
Eish le tswayi ke mathatha wa tseba, I can understand ET's situation. Kumele ngiqindezele idombolo elilodwa nje this weekend ngehlise ukubaba...Report Abuse
Makhosini0408
somaartakeit@Makhosini0408 I did not understand your comment abt ET's painting, the guy who murdered him has been convicted, so his family can take comfort in the fact that justice was served even though ET's series of hate crimes victims thereof have not received justice, it was expected that the youth might walk, cause our police failed to gather evidence and follow investigation protocols, in order to leave no legal loophole for the youth to be acquitted, the incompetence of the police make the judges jobs very very hard, cause their incompetence impact on possibility of victims of violent crimes receiving justice.
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Sisi, I hope that you are well. I wanted to say that African culture respects the departed and even if we did not agree with ET''s political view, he needs to be accorded the opportunity to rest in peace. We do not mock the dead hence I call the painting unfortunate. ET died as a victim of crime in a cruel way and his family, friends and AWB, should be allowed to mourn his passing.
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Click
@ somaartakeitI'm scared of encountering you in real life.. The way you comment (paragraphs & essays) probably means you're an energetic fast-talker, with alot on your mind & won't give me a chance to even say "wait"..
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Guys to missing the plot, the painting was done and FEBRUARY 2012 and the SPEAR only now in May. The artist is not a copycat, blame Sowetan for showing the artist's work lateReport Abuse
The-Rothschilds
mambaaaiThe-Rothschilds
mambaaai
I really couldnt care less who paints what seriously.............this hole situation was a complete waste of political airwaves to try and get sympathy votes for Zuma.
Service delivery protests in Walmer here in PE are more concerning. What was rather funny was to see the rioters tell Mr Faku and Mayor Wayile to v0etsek and threw rocks at them.
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Mr Faku in a conversation about service delivery, corruption and "the spear" LOL
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While the r.ioters were b.urning Walmer down and the Councillors house............Mr Faku was busy trying to gather a protest outside the Herald about "the s.pear". When the situation started to b.urn out of control, Faku decided to take a t.rip down to Walmer, only to c.hased right back to City Hall.
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mambaaai
MsKinkyakaKamaSutraGuys to missing the plot, the painting was done and FEBRUARY 2012 and the SPEAR only now in May. The artist is not a copycat, blame Sowetan for showing the artist's work late
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It was a non-event then, and is and will be after this as well.....
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somaartakeit
@Makhosini0408 I see your view my brother, but we have since departed from these 'nice values' we used to have, we now the roughs and readys of the S.Pole, lol anyway I think ppl who are aggrieved by actions of a person as in ET and Shiceka's case, should be allowed to air these views/feelings, even if they may appear to be un compassionate, you must understand my friend and I say this in the nicest possible way, ppl are dis-empowered, if justice was served fairly to everyone and not selectively then there will be no hard feelings, admitted both ET and Shiceka lefts some raw feelings behind that cause us to not be able to feel compassion on their deaths but more like relieved that they are dead, cause the aggro they caused us will stop, I am not condoning murder but I understand why some wld still be angry with ET and feel to a certain level that Mahlangu guy delivered justice for them, cause police failed victims of ET some of whom are still to this day sittign on wheelchair as a direct result of vicious and horrific actions of ET, let us endeavour to speak truth all the time incl that which hurts us, cause only truth shall set us free..Report Abuse
Dikae_difefe
Ke direkile machaineng, ke rekile di rasa di fong kong....cos last ba ntshitshe lerete la zuma, vusi what what o ntsha revengeReport Abuse
somaartakeit
@Click lol some of the things I respond to, need for me to be more detail in my responses, you know I think communication is the most important tool for one to make themselves understood, but in your case I will make exceptions and just write abbrevs. lolReport Abuse
MissBhakajuju
i want 2 comment on the Wedding of 2 Lesbians.please sowetan, allow us to sing them praises, tuuuu.
alililililililililililililili, nguwo nguwo ngumtshato, wangena u Makoti....... *singing*
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LBS
@SharpSharpThe article should read...Sowetan set 'to provoke' Terre'Blanche's painting
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Agreed!
If one looks at the painting without being TOLD what the subject matter is supposed to be, one sees a rather kindly man ( Not Eugene Terre'Blanche) reading a BOOK with a child on his lap.
In fact if one looks closely it looks like both the man and child are sleeping!
Moving along - no story here let alone anything provocative.
Time people in general stopped being led around by the nose by political parties and newspapers telling us what to think and starting thinking for themselves!
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Keafixa
MA south africa likes attention .....Y Y Y YReport Abuse
Click
@ somaartakeitAll I'm saying is, try putting in some "swagg" and a bit of "fo'shivyness" in your comments.. Now you're so direct and definately sound like a sober Judge Judy..
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MommaC
SharpSharpArt is simply a medium of expression. Just like when you listen to music, you interpret it within your own life experience. Once you know what the musician was trying to portray. you hear the music in a slightly different way BUT you still use your own experience to interpret it. If you now hear from ten other people about what the music means to them - you once again hear the music in a slightly different way BUT still through your own perspective.
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JB$
Some people just don't get tiredReport Abuse
oldlady5
MommaC, sorry late response. Was busy elsewhere. Anyways, I'm not trying to show any link between the JZ painting and paedophilia. All I'm trying to say is that everyone in this country believe with this new found fre.edom, they have the right to do their thing. Somewhere a line must be drawn. Some time we will have to decide what is acceptable in our society, and what is not, to prevent further such emotional outbursts as with the JZ painting. One person's rights should not be allowed to overshadow another person's rights. Here's a more simple example. I like classical music. On a Sunday afternoon I like to sit peacefully, and listen to it. I do not play it loud enough for my neighbour to hear. Then, like clockwork, a car will stop across the road in the park, and someone will be playing their music, and all I can hear is DOEF, DOEF, DOEF. No one has told these idjuts that the lower the sound, the longer the wavelength, so they cannot even hear their bass the way I do. Questions. Do I turn up my music, and irrate my neighbour, Do they turn down their music so that only they can hear, and I can listen to mine, and my neighbours to theirs? Whose rights is more important? That's all I'm trying to say here.Report Abuse
SharpSharp
mambaaaiThe ANC created the tension with regards to "The Spear", Not the media.
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I am not gonna argue who causes tension but its out the in the name of artistic expression another form of media freedom...
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Makhosini0408
Sisi, I hope that you are well. I wanted to say that African culture respects the departed and even if we did not agree with ET''s political view, he needs to be accorded the opportunity to rest in peace. We do not mock the dead hence I call the painting unfortunate. ET died as a victim of crime in a cruel way and his family, friends and AWB, should be allowed to mourn his passing.
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Are u suggesting we have a time frame for one to potray a dead person...As much as i didnt agree with ET's political view but i was also sadden by the way he died.But that doesnt mean things should stop to mourn his death...As long as it respect the dignity of that person(The ultimate right in the constitution) songs and painting should not be discouraged .....
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somaartakeit
@Click@ somaartakeit
All I'm saying is, try putting in some "swagg" and a bit of "fo'shivyness" in your comments.. Now you're so direct and definately sound like a sober Judge Judy..
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LoL I will take your advice on my stride in the future:-) thanks
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LESSON.1
i'm tired of this paintings - Aag manReport Abuse
SharpSharp
MommaCSharpSharp
Art is simply a medium of expression. Just like when you listen to music, you interpret it within your own life experience. Once you know what the musician was trying to portray. you hear the music in a slightly different way BUT you still use your own experience to interpret it. If you now hear from ten other people about what the music means to them - you once again hear the music in a slightly different way BUT still through your own perspective.
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I am not sure if art also do the same as music...maybe is because we are foreign in this art expression thing...What i do know is when one buyy CD ya Zahara and love this one song that makes him feel good everytime he play it. So in music ppl buyyy those CD to feel good,dance to etc...So in painting can you buuuy something that makes u feel uncomfortable that does nt make u happy or feel good?????????????
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SharpSharp
MommaCWhen one buuuy Spear art what feelling will she or he hv everytime he look at it............???????
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somaartakeit
I wldn't mind a portrait of the artist in this case, he has such beautiful facial features, and most beautiful set of teeth which makes his smile/laugh sparkle.Report Abuse
Lehido
Where is the d!ck?Report Abuse
cornelius
A lot of people still don't gert it : this painting is not objectionable, and you can rest assured that even the rightwingers will accept that it is freedom of speech, a few will obviously make some disgruntled noises, there willno tbe marches, bullying, etc. The difference bewtween thsi and " the Spear" , for me at least, is that the latter was an uneccesary attack on the privacy and dignity - a political/satirical point can be made without depicting a person like that. If thius painting showed ET, with full frontal of p.enis, busy sodomising, it would have been objectionable.Report Abuse
The-Rothschilds
corneliusA lot of people still don't gert it : this painting is not objectionable, and you can rest assured that even the rightwingers will accept that it is freedom of speech, a few will obviously make some disgruntled noises, there willno tbe marches, bullying, etc. The difference bewtween thsi and " the Spear" , for me at least, is that the latter was an uneccesary attack on the privacy and dignity - a political/satirical point can be made without depicting a person like that. If thius painting showed ET, with full frontal of p.enis, busy sodomising, it would have been objectionable.
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People dont care about paintings................the ANC mad a fuss about something pointless to try and win sympathy for Zuma who's popularity is on the decline.
Let the artists paint what they want.
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Tabza325is
Beauchamp, Gents excluding ladies, guys, perverts, nymphos google the name Bianca Beauchamp Yesus believe your eyes will pop out.Report Abuse
Manarchy
The painting itself looks ok. Maybe this artist is just trying to get attention though.Report Abuse
Makhosini0408
SharpSharpmambaaai
The ANC created the tension with regards to "The Spear", Not the media.
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I am not gonna argue who causes tension but its out the in the name of artistic expression another form of media freedom...
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Makhosini0408
Sisi, I hope that you are well. I wanted to say that African culture respects the departed and even if we did not agree with ET''s political view, he needs to be accorded the opportunity to rest in peace. We do not mock the dead hence I call the painting unfortunate. ET died as a victim of crime in a cruel way and his family, friends and AWB, should be allowed to mourn his passing.
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Are u suggesting we have a time frame for one to potray a dead person...As much as i didnt agree with ET's political view but i was also sadden by the way he died.But that doesnt mean things should stop to mourn his death...As long as it respect the dignity of that person(The ultimate right in the constitution) songs and painting should not be discouraged .....
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Let sleeping dogs lie.
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SharpSharp
Makhosini0408Let sleeping dogs lie.
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OK....Lets leave it there...............................we dont need any trouble
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mambaaai
@ sharpsharpI like the one quotation from one of the founding fathers of the USA......... "You can do anything in the persuit of happiness provided you do not take somebody elses happiness away" ........
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Silververstone
I am a South African trying to make a living. I am neither Pro White or Pro Black. My primary aim in life is to work, earn money, live happily within my means.Do there dam artists realize that one silly painting from them, be it the spear or ET is polarizing the country? Do they give a dam? I believe the spear went up from R140 000 in value to a final selling bid of more than R400 000.
While blacks and whites are getting upset about allegations and counter allegations this artist is sitting with the money in his pocket laughing at us and the country.
Now another fool makes a painting that is going to get everyone up in arms again.
Someone once said that with Freedom comes Great Responsibility. I doubt if any of these artists have ANY sense of responsibility with the FREEDOM of Expression that was given to them.
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meerkat-TL
Eish, Kenny Rogers is going to klap this boy with his stupid painting with a huge lawsuit!Report Abuse
kitty2wp
Why is it that so many black people thing ET represented all white people - truth is the majority of whites had no time for ET (but the man is dead), so what's the point of this painting exactly?Report Abuse
Ngaitatou
ai, looks nothing like et, could rather be someones next door neibour or something. not as good quality as zuma's. at least the artist got it sold! i think he sold it for the "what it's suppose to be" and not what it is really.Report Abuse
Ngaitatou
hahaha funny meerkat! i reckon your spot on, it does look like kenny! i knew he looked familiar, but could figure it out! cheer mate!Report Abuse
bearpup
I ordered a hambuger..,.WTF is going on?Report Abuse
Coolbutclever
There's nothing offending in this picture, not like the spear.Report Abuse
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