Management at the Coastal As-Salaam campus
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It is a Muslim facility.
When you enrolled you were obviously told about the rules and regualtions of the school
Example: If a parent sends their kids to a Catholic school, she/he cannot expect them to be taught Judaism......
What I want to understand is how many gods there are in the religious community! Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
mkgalabye
cant they tolerate other religions this muslims.i mean let those kids read their own bible nd do not force them to study that qur'an'...its not like they want you to teach them the bible nd neither do they want to be taught qura''n.
If I were these students I wld embrace this Islam thingy cause its the ONLY thing which seems to help many of its followers from being alcoholics, drug addicts, sex addcits/slaves etc even Malcolm X wrote abt how he was saved by Muslim faith from the life of drugs and crime, he turned out to be a super husband dad and leader. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Bumboklaat
@mkgalabye
cant they tolerate other religions this muslims.i mean let those kids read their own bible nd do not force them to study that qur'an'...its not like they want you to teach them the bible nd neither do they want to be taught qura''n
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Gwa tshwana le bona so-called christians ga ba thlomphe ditumelo tsa ba bangwe! Report Abuse
@ Somaartakeit
Malcolm X wrote abt how he was saved by Muslim faith from the life of drugs and crime, he turned out to be a super husband dad and leader'
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Yes and also gay. Religion does not make one a better person, it is something a person can do without religion. I have found in my experience that non religious people are the ones with intergrity. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
MommaC
Possibly the only intelligent thing that Stalin did was to ban religion. Bunch of nutcases Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
wifeyaspoko
don't we all serve one God, only using different names? Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
somaartakeit
@Abdulla-Saleeh was Malcolm gay? that is part aspect of his life I have not read about, its the first, not that there is anything wrong with being gay.
the point I was making was that, a vulnerable person as he was due to social pressures at the time, was saved by faith to become a productive citizen and an inspiration to many wrt his fights for social justice, also I read that Mohamed Ali was sustained by his faith (Islam) through issues faced by black Americans at the time in the USA, so if this Islam can produce such ppl, then I wld recommend it.
Also when living in the UK I shared a flat with 2 Muslim ppl, I was awed by their healthy lifestyle and being informed on many different topics, that experience has made me to be more open minded by the Allah guys, Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Bumboklaat
@Abdulla-Saleeh
@ Somaartakeit
Malcolm X wrote abt how he was saved by Muslim faith from the life of drugs and crime, he turned out to be a super husband dad and leader'
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Yes and also gay. Religion does not make one a better person, it is something a person can do without religion. I have found in my experience that non religious people are the ones with intergrity.
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I agree with you. People will tell you I was saved by this and that! Prayer or whatever when in actual fact it is their state of mind that helped them live a better life! No one will solve your problems but yourself! Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Abdulla-Saleeh
@ Somaar
Islam also produced "Bin Laden".
As Bumbo puts it, it is a persons state of mind that matters.
All religions have good and a lot of bad. So let's just sharve them aside (prefarably in a dark corner0 and live by the following simple words, respect for self and respect for others. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
somaartakeit
Fact of the matter Bumboklaat we all need to believe in something, in the religious ppl's case is their faith, in the superstitious ppl's case is izinyanya or amadlozi, others believe in the sun, I believe in the higher power, I can't explain that in words, but ppl need to believe in something what is wrong with thsi belief is when its imposed, or made out as superior to others beliefs as was case when colonisers and missionaries came here with bibles came to Africa to erode our way of life in their attempts at breaking our beliefs/faith/spirits to a certain degree they succeeded. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
somaartakeit
@Abdulla-Saleeh
@ Somaar
Islam also produced "Bin Laden".
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I beg to differ America produced Laden. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
TKay
Didnt they know about these rules when they enrolled at the school, I mean the name of the school says it all Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
sh!tFaceSamsung
as they say if u go to rome do what romes do : if u don't like it get out of there quickly Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
MGEEZ
Where is Zaco and evangelist on line???? Here is the riddle that requires your resolution Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Shenene
'Not allowed to carry Bibles'
'They were reportedly not allowed to carry Bibles inside the premises.'
'Those living in dormitories were told to find accommodation outside the institution.'
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W.O.G come explain this satan!!sm to us please............ Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
mkgalabye
@Bumboklaat kids are chased by an institution which happens to be funded by government....i dnt see how now management takes the issue on a personal level instead of institutional.....how did they admit this kids into the college if they knew they are not muslims.......they are absolutely wrong on this one
Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson etc...were christians. I concur with Abdulla-Saleeh, religion (whichever) does not make one a better person. From all religious sectors, one find drunkards, sex addicts, drug addicts, murderers etc... Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
MGEEZ
@All
This is a simple matter, it's such that people like to complicate issues. In RSA we have a constitution which is the supreme law that informs any other legislations that may be enacted to the extent of their legitimacy. The question here is simple, who's property is this? The answer is: Muslim property; then Muslims get to set the rules of what happen in their property; the same way we Christians do in our own properties (this you do not need a single degree to figure out). We have a lot of public schools and Christians schools in this country, and if you want to a bible like me, then make the correct choice within the laws that governs our country. Why go terorise people in their property and want to dictate the rules there, that to me sounds very unChristian like in any case. This to me is not about religion; but failure of citisens (parents in this case and their children) to understand property rights as guided by relevant legislation and our constitution to understand what is a difference between fair and unfair discrimination.
I am a Christian a very proud one, but as the Lord Jesus said in the bible, give to ceaser that which is due to ceaser; it is their property, deceast from these tendencies please!!! Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Abdulla-Saleeh
@Yes Somaar but then Muslims come in two flavours: Moderate and Extremist. So when I say Bin Laden i mean every extrimist muslim. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
somaartakeit
in that context I agree then Abdulla, but my point that I was making was that I was inspired that Muslim faith was able to save Malcolm X who who was (at the time) a child from the other side of town to become world renowned leader and a formidable social justice activist, left me awed, and given our situation (in SA) where we are going through a moral hemorrhage stage esp for our youth, I'd say those kids in this Muslim school shld perhaps give this faith a chance they just might learn something which might help them in the process of their development, they don't have to be Muslim but they shld respect values of the institutions they enrolled themselves in. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@somaartakeit
Mike Tyson converted to Islam the first time he went to prison but that did not make him a better person as he sentenced again (se.xual cri.mes) Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
cocolucho
@all the campus is the property of goverment, but is being rented by the muslim institution, and students are now being forced to practice islam.
Personally, I dont believe that anyone should be forced into a religion that they dont want to partake in. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
oldlady5
If it's a private school, they're well within their rights. If it's a government school, they're way outside their rights because no government school is allowed to advocate any kind of religion whatsoever anymore. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
somaartakeit
Good point MsKink on Mike Tyson, but what I was saying was that its not all bad to not be allowed to read a bible its not the end of the world, these kids must get with it, they enrolled in the Muslim school, did they expect to be fed pork? I was also highlighting some positives of the faith in question seemingly that it gets most times worse publicity and I accounted examples known to me. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Bumboklaat
@MGEEZ
The constitution is not supreme law! It's human laws and not supreme in the sense that people will do what they want whether it allows it or not! Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Bumboklaat
@somaartakeit
You are right, but there are some people who don't need to believe in anything but still remain grounded and live fruitful lives! Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
MGEEZ
Bumboklaat
@MGEEZ
The constitution is not supreme law! It's human laws and not supreme in the sense that people will do what they want whether it allows it or not!
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No sir/mam, you are sincerely wrong, the constitution is the supreme law in this country. If people do what they want as you suppose and such a matter is reported to the authorities, then that day you will know and indeed bear testimony that the constitution is the supreme law!!!! Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
somaartakeit
@Bumboklaat
@somaartakeit
You are right, but there are some people who don't need to believe in anything but still remain grounded and live fruitful lives!
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Some ppl are not strong or grounded hence they need a form of belief to work towards or measure (good/bad) values against, the weakness that I talk about come from unstable family/community lives, hence some become gang members, some become religious, generally ppl need to associate with something, this association becomes problematic when it starts to override reason and common sense, I say. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
somaartakeit
Bottom line everyone enrolling in Catholic school is expected to abide by the rules of that institution, these kids must abide by the Muslim school they CHOSE to enroll themselves in, case closed. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Tabza325is
In an ideal world they should be laws that remove religion from Educational institude to avoid cult-nuts and religious-nuts, religion should be a personal practice done in your private time, Educational institude should accomodate people from all walks of life and religions regregates on all cultures and practices. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
dimpho_4U
imagine how boring life would be if we abided by uniformity____ doing the same thing,talking the same language,that's why we talk about diversity....properly these kids knew the school was "Halaal" , therefore abide by the rules or go somewhere...same with Catholic schools...i still say uniformity is a bore....I don't know why non-religious people are so nosy in religious issues,preference and choice is in every individual..u have a choice to be religious or non-religious simple Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
SebolaNtimetseAdikateMoketla
I have many friends and family members who are either priests or pastors and I am of the staunchest Christian faith
but i maintain!!
why would a non-Muslim go into a muslim territory and refuse to follow their customs
like taking kids to a Christian school and expecting them to be taught Judaism or enrolling a boy child in a girls only school,______ stop playing fowl or victim of unfair treatment Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Shredder
South Africans like to complicate things and cry foul in the end. I believe that is the muslim school. Why did they go there in the first place knowing it is a muslim school. If I had a Christian School I'd expect the Christian students. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Shredder
@wifeyaspoko - don't we all serve one God, only using different names?
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No. The teachings are different. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Kudla
Take Note: The Muslims are lying when they say they want to "help". They want to further Islam by their charity. Report Abuse
Abdulla-Saleeh
@kudla and so do christian.
god: the santa clause for grown ups
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As i have said before and i say it again, this has nothing to do with religion but rights as enshrined in our laws, however you are more than welcome to butcher one another we will be reading. A point worthy of correction though abdulla, Santa clause(or satan clause as some of us call it) has nothing to do with Christianity at all. But I guess you probably know that but just happy to spread the propaganda that has been so commecialised in the name of Christianity isn't it? There is no point in blaming one another here, that does not solve or build anything. we live with all manner of people around us and yes we have to get along on our commonalities, amplifying our differences, can only diminish us as a nation!!! Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
mthosam
What do we call this, racism or religious segregation. LOL Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
Abdulla-Saleeh
@Mgeeze I agree with you on the constitution outlining religious practice 100%. The santa clausse comment is just to highlight that god has been created to scare adults into behaving themselves like santa is used on kids. Report Abuse
May 31, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Argh just let the muslims be for g0d's sake! The West and Christians are so obsessed with the muslim world, yet the real threat is actually over the great wall of China!
I am an open gay person in South Africa and above all things i have no reason to defend muslims because of their ignorant attitude towards gay people.........but i respect their beliefs and will play by their rules just as long as they stay out of what happens in my bedroom! Report Abuse
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Management at the Coastal As-Salaam campus********************************************************************************************
It is a Muslim facility.
When you enrolled you were obviously told about the rules and regualtions of the school
Example: If a parent sends their kids to a Catholic school, she/he cannot expect them to be taught Judaism......
Report Abuse
Bumboklaat
Ja! another one of those religious things!What I want to understand is how many gods there are in the religious community!
Report Abuse
mkgalabye
cant they tolerate other religions this muslims.i mean let those kids read their own bible nd do not force them to study that qur'an'...its not like they want you to teach them the bible nd neither do they want to be taught qura''n.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
If I were these students I wld embrace this Islam thingy cause its the ONLY thing which seems to help many of its followers from being alcoholics, drug addicts, sex addcits/slaves etc even Malcolm X wrote abt how he was saved by Muslim faith from the life of drugs and crime, he turned out to be a super husband dad and leader.Report Abuse
Bumboklaat
@mkgalabyecant they tolerate other religions this muslims.i mean let those kids read their own bible nd do not force them to study that qur'an'...its not like they want you to teach them the bible nd neither do they want to be taught qura''n
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Gwa tshwana le bona so-called christians ga ba thlomphe ditumelo tsa ba bangwe!
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Abdulla-Saleeh
@Bumbokaat35 000 at the last count.
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Abdulla-Saleeh
@ SomaartakeitMalcolm X wrote abt how he was saved by Muslim faith from the life of drugs and crime, he turned out to be a super husband dad and leader'
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Yes and also gay. Religion does not make one a better person, it is something a person can do without religion. I have found in my experience that non religious people are the ones with intergrity.
Report Abuse
MommaC
Possibly the only intelligent thing that Stalin did was to ban religion. Bunch of nutcasesReport Abuse
wifeyaspoko
don't we all serve one God, only using different names?Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Abdulla-Saleeh was Malcolm gay? that is part aspect of his life I have not read about, its the first, not that there is anything wrong with being gay.the point I was making was that, a vulnerable person as he was due to social pressures at the time, was saved by faith to become a productive citizen and an inspiration to many wrt his fights for social justice, also I read that Mohamed Ali was sustained by his faith (Islam) through issues faced by black Americans at the time in the USA, so if this Islam can produce such ppl, then I wld recommend it.
Also when living in the UK I shared a flat with 2 Muslim ppl, I was awed by their healthy lifestyle and being informed on many different topics, that experience has made me to be more open minded by the Allah guys,
Report Abuse
Bumboklaat
@Abdulla-Saleeh@ Somaartakeit
Malcolm X wrote abt how he was saved by Muslim faith from the life of drugs and crime, he turned out to be a super husband dad and leader'
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Yes and also gay. Religion does not make one a better person, it is something a person can do without religion. I have found in my experience that non religious people are the ones with intergrity.
----------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with you. People will tell you I was saved by this and that! Prayer or whatever when in actual fact it is their state of mind that helped them live a better life! No one will solve your problems but yourself!
Report Abuse
Abdulla-Saleeh
@ SomaarIslam also produced "Bin Laden".
As Bumbo puts it, it is a persons state of mind that matters.
All religions have good and a lot of bad. So let's just sharve them aside (prefarably in a dark corner0 and live by the following simple words, respect for self and respect for others.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Fact of the matter Bumboklaat we all need to believe in something, in the religious ppl's case is their faith, in the superstitious ppl's case is izinyanya or amadlozi, others believe in the sun, I believe in the higher power, I can't explain that in words, but ppl need to believe in something what is wrong with thsi belief is when its imposed, or made out as superior to others beliefs as was case when colonisers and missionaries came here with bibles came to Africa to erode our way of life in their attempts at breaking our beliefs/faith/spirits to a certain degree they succeeded.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Abdulla-Saleeh@ Somaar
Islam also produced "Bin Laden".
-----------------------------
I beg to differ America produced Laden.
Report Abuse
TKay
Didnt they know about these rules when they enrolled at the school, I mean the name of the school says it allReport Abuse
sh!tFaceSamsung
as they say if u go to rome do what romes do : if u don't like it get out of there quicklyReport Abuse
MGEEZ
Where is Zaco and evangelist on line???? Here is the riddle that requires your resolutionReport Abuse
Shenene
'Not allowed to carry Bibles''They were reportedly not allowed to carry Bibles inside the premises.'
'Those living in dormitories were told to find accommodation outside the institution.'
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W.O.G come explain this satan!!sm to us please............
Report Abuse
mkgalabye
@Bumboklaat kids are chased by an institution which happens to be funded by government....i dnt see how now management takes the issue on a personal level instead of institutional.....how did they admit this kids into the college if they knew they are not muslims.......they are absolutely wrong on this oneReport Abuse
OASIS
@somaartakeitMartin Luther King, Jesse Jackson etc...were christians. I concur with Abdulla-Saleeh, religion (whichever) does not make one a better person. From all religious sectors, one find drunkards, sex addicts, drug addicts, murderers etc...
Report Abuse
MGEEZ
@AllThis is a simple matter, it's such that people like to complicate issues. In RSA we have a constitution which is the supreme law that informs any other legislations that may be enacted to the extent of their legitimacy. The question here is simple, who's property is this? The answer is: Muslim property; then Muslims get to set the rules of what happen in their property; the same way we Christians do in our own properties (this you do not need a single degree to figure out). We have a lot of public schools and Christians schools in this country, and if you want to a bible like me, then make the correct choice within the laws that governs our country. Why go terorise people in their property and want to dictate the rules there, that to me sounds very unChristian like in any case. This to me is not about religion; but failure of citisens (parents in this case and their children) to understand property rights as guided by relevant legislation and our constitution to understand what is a difference between fair and unfair discrimination.
I am a Christian a very proud one, but as the Lord Jesus said in the bible, give to ceaser that which is due to ceaser; it is their property, deceast from these tendencies please!!!
Report Abuse
Abdulla-Saleeh
@Yes Somaar but then Muslims come in two flavours: Moderate and Extremist. So when I say Bin Laden i mean every extrimist muslim.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
in that context I agree then Abdulla, but my point that I was making was that I was inspired that Muslim faith was able to save Malcolm X who who was (at the time) a child from the other side of town to become world renowned leader and a formidable social justice activist, left me awed, and given our situation (in SA) where we are going through a moral hemorrhage stage esp for our youth, I'd say those kids in this Muslim school shld perhaps give this faith a chance they just might learn something which might help them in the process of their development, they don't have to be Muslim but they shld respect values of the institutions they enrolled themselves in.Report Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@somaartakeitMike Tyson converted to Islam the first time he went to prison but that did not make him a better person as he sentenced again (se.xual cri.mes)
Report Abuse
cocolucho
@all the campus is the property of goverment, but is being rented by the muslim institution, and students are now being forced to practice islam.Personally, I dont believe that anyone should be forced into a religion that they dont want to partake in.
Report Abuse
oldlady5
If it's a private school, they're well within their rights. If it's a government school, they're way outside their rights because no government school is allowed to advocate any kind of religion whatsoever anymore.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Good point MsKink on Mike Tyson, but what I was saying was that its not all bad to not be allowed to read a bible its not the end of the world, these kids must get with it, they enrolled in the Muslim school, did they expect to be fed pork? I was also highlighting some positives of the faith in question seemingly that it gets most times worse publicity and I accounted examples known to me.Report Abuse
Bumboklaat
@MGEEZThe constitution is not supreme law! It's human laws and not supreme in the sense that people will do what they want whether it allows it or not!
Report Abuse
Bumboklaat
@somaartakeitYou are right, but there are some people who don't need to believe in anything but still remain grounded and live fruitful lives!
Report Abuse
MGEEZ
Bumboklaat@MGEEZ
The constitution is not supreme law! It's human laws and not supreme in the sense that people will do what they want whether it allows it or not!
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No sir/mam, you are sincerely wrong, the constitution is the supreme law in this country. If people do what they want as you suppose and such a matter is reported to the authorities, then that day you will know and indeed bear testimony that the constitution is the supreme law!!!!
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Bumboklaat@somaartakeit
You are right, but there are some people who don't need to believe in anything but still remain grounded and live fruitful lives!
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Some ppl are not strong or grounded hence they need a form of belief to work towards or measure (good/bad) values against, the weakness that I talk about come from unstable family/community lives, hence some become gang members, some become religious, generally ppl need to associate with something, this association becomes problematic when it starts to override reason and common sense, I say.
Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Bottom line everyone enrolling in Catholic school is expected to abide by the rules of that institution, these kids must abide by the Muslim school they CHOSE to enroll themselves in, case closed.Report Abuse
Tabza325is
In an ideal world they should be laws that remove religion from Educational institude to avoid cult-nuts and religious-nuts, religion should be a personal practice done in your private time, Educational institude should accomodate people from all walks of life and religions regregates on all cultures and practices.Report Abuse
dimpho_4U
imagine how boring life would be if we abided by uniformity____ doing the same thing,talking the same language,that's why we talk about diversity....properly these kids knew the school was "Halaal" , therefore abide by the rules or go somewhere...same with Catholic schools...i still say uniformity is a bore....I don't know why non-religious people are so nosy in religious issues,preference and choice is in every individual..u have a choice to be religious or non-religious simpleReport Abuse
SebolaNtimetseAdikateMoketla
I have many friends and family members who are either priests or pastors and I am of the staunchest Christian faithbut i maintain!!
why would a non-Muslim go into a muslim territory and refuse to follow their customs
I WOULD ALSO KICK YOU OUT!!!
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dimpho_4U
like taking kids to a Christian school and expecting them to be taught Judaism or enrolling a boy child in a girls only school,______ stop playing fowl or victim of unfair treatmentReport Abuse
Shredder
South Africans like to complicate things and cry foul in the end. I believe that is the muslim school. Why did they go there in the first place knowing it is a muslim school. If I had a Christian School I'd expect the Christian students.Report Abuse
Shredder
@wifeyaspoko - don't we all serve one God, only using different names?=======================================================================
No. The teachings are different.
Report Abuse
Kudla
Take Note: The Muslims are lying when they say they want to "help". They want to further Islam by their charity.Report Abuse
Abdulla-Saleeh
@kudla and so do christian.god: the santa clause for grown ups.
Report Abuse
MGEEZ
Abdulla-Saleeh@kudla and so do christian.
god: the santa clause for grown ups
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As i have said before and i say it again, this has nothing to do with religion but rights as enshrined in our laws, however you are more than welcome to butcher one another we will be reading. A point worthy of correction though abdulla, Santa clause(or satan clause as some of us call it) has nothing to do with Christianity at all. But I guess you probably know that but just happy to spread the propaganda that has been so commecialised in the name of Christianity isn't it? There is no point in blaming one another here, that does not solve or build anything. we live with all manner of people around us and yes we have to get along on our commonalities, amplifying our differences, can only diminish us as a nation!!!
Report Abuse
mthosam
What do we call this, racism or religious segregation. LOLReport Abuse
Abdulla-Saleeh
@Mgeeze I agree with you on the constitution outlining religious practice 100%. The santa clausse comment is just to highlight that god has been created to scare adults into behaving themselves like santa is used on kids.Report Abuse
The-Rothschilds
Argh just let the muslims be for g0d's sake! The West and Christians are so obsessed with the muslim world, yet the real threat is actually over the great wall of China!I am an open gay person in South Africa and above all things i have no reason to defend muslims because of their ignorant attitude towards gay people.........but i respect their beliefs and will play by their rules just as long as they stay out of what happens in my bedroom!
Report Abuse
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