momopat

@JajazQueen
I wish I could get free things as well, free housing, medical care, schooling, food, transportation, no income tax, grants...why did I go to school?
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yho na i dont want free things , they are a result of long ques,
no service @all
you better you went to school to change your life cycle

nna im still @school and working
i dont want my kids to be poor too and depend on free things
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WarrenG

I hope they plant some grass there followed by loads of veggies and fruit trees... but will they...probably not
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hulas

Forster there is no point in denying the allegations we all know that anc cadres are crooks that robs the poor all the time.
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flakes

Where's Tokyo Sexwale???
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Budapat

aren't RDP houses issued by Housing Dept? clearly Tokyo has a lot of mess to deal with ''R200''
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Manarchy

@jajaz
hayi don't be stupid wena.
go live in a shack for a year and then coming to say the same thing again.
this headman is taking advantage of poor people
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CheeseBoy

JajazQueen
I wish I could get free things as well, free housing, medical care, schooling, food, transportation, no income tax, grants...why did I go to school?

I don't think you wanna go that route sisi. those houses are gonna fall within a year or so. better stay with your education and work to get yourself a proper house. the free this and that brigade will soon learn a thing or two about wirking hard for your own money. give the ANC another 5 years or so for the lesson to sink in.
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Tasto

Royakl levies ? Hashe le nkosi ?
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MommaC

Tribal Courts Bill anyone?
Feudal lords should be a part of history, not a part of a democracy.
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maditaba

R200 is not a lot of money at all. I think its high time people pay something for this houses to show commitment.

Anyway If you go to a chief and request a stand you are expected to pay something for the administrative costs poor or not. We paid R700. Why should this people be the exception. If you are so poor that you cannot pay R200 u should not get a house. A house requires maintenance. Rather build a mud one
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Matmore-wa-molobedu

To our cllr Makhubele...stop blaming party politics for failing to deliver free housing to the poor. You are unable to deliver basic services to ur people...even though you are controlling 3 villages, i.e Ditshosing, shawela and Maphalle. How can u say ppl are dicrediting ANC if u r the one discrediting it. What have u done since you became the cllr? As for Mr Modike, I have a problem with the Bolodu Tribal House. How can you guys make ppl pay the old Tribal levies... We are done with these Feudal Laws. The place that u r controlling (not leading)... is poor, and yet you demand tribal fees. Away with u away...
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TKay

Royal levy of R200 is too much....
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Activeboi

eish new mzanzi, people just wanna sleep & get everything for free
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RobinH

Ai, the contradictions in the notion of democracy held by ANC leaders are just so absurd. If the results weren't so tragic it wouold be hysterical.
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TjoVtjo

@ MommaC

Tribal Courts Bill anyone?
Feudal lords should be a part of history, not a part of a democracy.
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Indeed that may be correct, but think of it this way. A proportion of any housing subsidy goes towards the land owner. Fact. Therefore if Governement wants to build on Mr. Van Tonders farm, the cost of purchasing the farm is covered by the subsidy. So why then when they build on Traditional Authority land do they want to take it for free? Is it becaue Bl.acks are worse than Dogs? Common property rights don't apply to them?

Besides, traditionally these Authorities have always collected some sort of money for cutting a guy a piece of land, which money goes to the welfare of the the community. Our media is being mischivious, and misrepresentative of the issues at play.
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SEROPE-SA-BEYONCE

Department of housing spokeswoman Tseng Diale said yesterday: "If there is proof that they were made to pay such money, they must provide proof to the department and we will make sure the law takes its course against the headman."
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how are they going to prove that they paid if supposedly they paid without getting receipts or without the money being deposited in a bank account? these people are struggling to make ends meet and now they have to fork out money for something they should be getting for free.

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MommaC

TjoVtjo

Will it really be going to improve the community or will it be going into the headman's back pocket?
Does the land belong to the community (as the word 'communal land' suggests) or does it belong to the headman?

We used to live in innocent times when such questions were not important but greed has taken over and I'm not so sure that it is as easy to trust as it once was
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Lilywhite

Agree whole heartedly Momma
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samm

Nothing for mahala, people they need to start couph up for this RDP houses. they are getting free electricity & water as well.
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Lehido

"It has always been the norm for all my subjects to pay royal services in an effort to enable the royal council to function properly," Modika said
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Your "subjects", listen to this free loader fool, this is what y'all "Chiefs" say whenever you try to steal money from poor people......

The Chief of my Village knows that "I PAY FOR NO SUCH THINGS"....
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TjoVtjo

@ MommaC

Thats purely a case of whether your specific Traditional Authority is ethical or not. It has nothing to do with the institution itself. That answer of yours applies to all forms of Government including democratically elected ones, and as history has come to bear, its clear that theese themselves have never been able to stay on the right side of morality.
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MommaC

TjoVtjo

True. We have a choice to vote out the local government if we get ripped off too badly though.

I'm just not terribly sure that the old ways have a place in the modern world any more.
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TjoVtjo

@ MommaC

The only thing that moves is the calender. Who determins what is right for any society? As the case is, we all complain about the current Government, but we keep voting for them as a way to protect our own little narrow interests.

There are good examples of each form of Governance, for instance the Bafokeng are doing alright aren't they? They give back to their community what rightfully belongs to them, don't they? But do we not see small little factions within them calling for greater foresight, and even self determination? Does this mean they they are wrong or even corrupt?

There are always going to be spoilers in any society, but judge ye not the society by these virtue less men and women, but rather by the calibre of leadership that they have, who we all hope have the best interest of their own communities at heart.

As a rule, entrepreneurs are supposed to be the best form of business people, because its often assumed that they have the best interests of their own community at heart. But again we see a lot of greed, and self gratification. For instance guys like Cyril Ramaphosa and Petrice Motsepe continually give back to their own communities without making a song and dance about, but unfortunatly they are all judged on the 'other' guys who seek to gratify themselves, e.g. Mzi 'my money is not in this country' Khumalo. Is that a fair assessment?
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TjoVtjo

Besides even Traditional Authorities aren't controlled by one person,but by a council, which itself has internal mechanisms to remove bad leadership, or custodially control outcomes. I would think that Mswati is not being removed simply because the council is either weak, or supports what he is seen to bei doing to the people. Same applies to our Government, where bad leaders can be 'recalled' as we have seen in the recent past. If it can be done once, then it can be done again when the Yes men and Yes women decide that enough is enough.
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Pabi

but for levi and everything why can't they claim it from government, this people are poor that is why they deserve RDP houses.
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