RobinH

Pathetic little duo. Without their fat mouth these poor souls are really floundering. One almost feels sorry for them. Not a braincell available between the two of them.
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MommaC

When you become a parent of a teen, you learn to pick your fights carefully. The ANC cannot back down now or they run the risk of the YL becoming bigger than the mother body and losing all control of the organisation. However, if they don't find a solution, they run the risk of the internal faction fighting escalating to whole new levels.
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CheeseBoy

These stupids, instead of focusing on ISSUES AFFECTING THE YOUTH decide to focus on an idiot like malema. there are millions of disenfranchised young people out there. some of them gang rap.ing girls because they have nothing better to do. some of them jobless and have no means to improve their livelyhood. they are hungry for mentors which is the role that should be played by youth organisations.the ANCYL has lost the plot completely.
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RobinH

CheeseBoy. They have to do it that way, as they really have no clue about how to address actual issues...or about what REAL LIFE issues are.
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MorenaWaPolelo

These dictators are irritating they are trying to run the mother body and the league this was bound to happen because they were let of the hook on a lot of things. The lack of sanity in their statements will result in disbadment so I urge them to contineu making these arrogant pronouncements.
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fizo

@CheeseBoy can you table one issue that ANCYL should tackle...remebeer what is ANCYL not SOUTH AFRICAN YOUTH LEAGUE...i strongly believe peolpe don't understand the role of ANCYL...you only think of discipline. respect and the only think people of south africa knows is to pull others down by analysing nonsense...

put the issue down let us here on this forum discuss it ..then take it to those so cslled"stupid" guys...
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RobinH

fizo: Not getting your point here. It is the ANC Youth League, and thus would have little identity without the ANC. As for the "South African" aspect: last I saw, the ANC is a South African party. So what is your point really? Please explain.
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swona

these youth lacks leadership, as to why they still mourn about malema's explusion, I really dont know. can somebody tell them to move on with their lifes?
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swona

choose a leader Mo. Rons! forget about the chief ID!oT malema!
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NEWLIFE

It is really pathetic to see circus run by the so called ANCYL leaders(sic).When are they gonna learn,it is a done deal,Malema is no more.Re-election is the way to go .There is a strong perception that these "yl leader" don't even trust themselves,for them ANCYL without Malema is not possible.ANCYL has been there without Malema ,it will be there without him.Malema is not indespensible...!!!
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BlackTruth

@Fizo these people like Cheeseboy and RobinH are the ones who are stupid, the ANCYL is not in any way responsible for all the youth of South Africa you can not blame us for unemployment and all the wrong things done by youth. if we are to take blame then the responsibility should be shared amongs all youth organisations including your DA YOUYH, DASO, YCL and so on

@Swona we can replace aour leaders when we see fit not because someone in the motherbody says so, we stand by our decisions, we remain united and unshaken, we are not corward.

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Nalema

The three leaders must be re-instated to their positions due to incosistencies in disciplining people. How many politicians went scot free after being found to have been involved in acts of corruption? Thousands.

Ill-discipline is not only being disrespectful of elders or how you talk to elders, it is also more being involved in acts of corruption and stealing public funds.

I would be more prepared to forgive a person who spoke in a bad way to someone than a corrupt manipulative thief that has admitted or found to have been involved in acts of corruption.
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MGEEZ

@all
I beg to differ with those of you who criticise the ANCYL without the knowledge of what their role and mandate is!!!! The current leadership was voted into power last year or so and they were specifically given a mandate. Calling them names does not make your statements anymore valid or genuine. Let us argue the facts at your our disposal.
@Fizo, I am in agreement with you, many here comment without knowledge, others from the sheer hatred of the you league, hence they always call them names. I say if they top the hating, they may just start seeing things differently.
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Nalema

Can someone mention leaders who have been found to have been involved in acts of corruption and were not disciplined by the party.

Just name 20, I understand there are thousands..
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MommaC

@ YL MEMBERS

Maybe you should educate us all as to what the ANCYL's mandate is and what it's reason for existence is. It has obviously changed dramatically from when it was mandated to increase membership amongst the youth and to further the mother body's political ideals.
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BraMbo

I think mr treasurer you have a right to appeal and take this matter to NEC of ANC who may come to different conclusion. Try this route. Good luck!!!
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Manarchy

magaqa and malema still whispering propaganda in the ears of YL members still in positions.
ANCYL is defining themself outside the mother body. ban the yl. ban the fake voice.
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Nalema

@ Momma C,


Please mention only 20 politicians who were found to be involved in acts of corruption (bringing that party into direpute) but were not disciplined by the party?
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KeRataBasadi

Malema was used like the government choice condom, the YL should learn from this, they should pick their battles wisely and friends even so if they want to keep the little bit of autonomy they have left. Their fight should not be that of protecting personalities (boKgalema or Malema or Mathale) but the fabric of the country under the president they wanted to ki11 for.
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

It was a big mistake for ANC National Youth League NEC to be elected without contestation , and as a result some chaff crept into the leadership of the League. There is obviously a mionority of ANC Youth League NEC members who are only too happy to see the ANC Youth League boming a lapdog of certain senior ANC officials they believe are in a good position to reward them as individuals. On the other hand there are political commentators and members of the press and media who are hell-bent in making sure that the Zuma faction wins a second term, a prospect they think will make for interesting politics. The re-elction of Jacob Zuma can only undermine ANC support among the public and strengthen opposition parties. Many South Africans are getting fed up with the vulgarity and obscenity of ANC politics. and Jacob Zuma's re-election will only confirm that. An ANC led by Kgalema Motlanthe, who has managed to stay above the fray of factionalism, will increase and consolidate ANC support nationally. It will also bring back all those disgruntled ANC supporters who went to COPE.
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fizo

@RobinH.....Educate yourself a bit

The autonomy of the ANC Youth League and generally young people in all revolutions
is elementary to a revolution’s progress and success. Revolutions are by their very
nature activities of young people, and marginalising young people merely into a
preparatory arrangement within revolutionary movements stifles the political and
ideological development of such movements. History proves that almost all if not all
national liberation and revolutionary movements that do not have autonomous
youth formations degenerate into insignificance with the passage of time. So
reducing autonomy into a constitutional matter without politics is a political blunder
with massive consequences. That is why the autonomy of the ANC YL to formulate novel ideological and political tactics within a broader strategic vision should forever
be protected. Autonomy of the Youth League should not just be reduced to
organisational autonomy of organising own meetings, but not taking own decisions.
It should fundamentally mean the right of the Youth League to formulate
independent political, ideological and strategic perspectives in the cause of struggle
and independent capacity and ability to robustly advocate for such perspectives.
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MommaC

Nalema

I could probably name you 100 but that isn't what I am asking about. The fact of the matter is that the ANCYL now suddenly thinks it is a completely autonomous and separate entity from the mother body. I'm trying to determine when that 'divorce' took place
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itsme4sure

BREAKING NEWS: Sanral CEO quits - report

http://www.iol.co.za/news/special-features/sanral-ceo-quits-report-1.1291360


Sanral CEO Nazir Alli has resigned, a week after a judge called a halt to the controversial Gauteng e-tolling system, a report has said.

According to the Mail & Guardian, the board of the South African Roads Agency Limited has accepted Alli’s resignation, the agency said on Tuesday morning.

Sanral’s chair, Tembakazi Mnyaka, reportedly said that Alli would stay on in his post until the beginning of June. - IOL


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Nalema

@ Momma C & Others,


I am hope you are compling the 20 person list of free corrupteers
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swona

@BlackTruth

is the ANCYL an independed organisation from the ANC? if not you have no choice, you will at the end of this useless excersice choose a new leader, unless if the ANC can do what is not possible, that is to lift malema's suspension! and if you are independed, why dont you keep ur malema and gang, come the next elections, stand on ur own, then we'll show you how much we dislike malema, through the ballots!
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CheeseBoy

@fizo
@BlackTruth
@MGEEZ

U guys are truely unbelievable.You do not even know your OWN constitution. no wonder there is chaos in the ANCYL. I have copied a part of it for you since you clearly do not understand what the purpose of the league is.quote

It shall rally behind ALL the youth of our country to play an active part in the struggles of the communities by building a defense of democracy. In doing so the ANCYL shall strive to achieve fundamental social change for the benefit of ALL young people and working class It shall endeavor to unite the YOUTH of our country to take their rightful place in the affairs of the country

unquote

now please go and do your homework. you clearly do not know what you are talking about.
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ThirdEye

Let us wait & see what will be the outcomes once the matter is with the NEC.
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MommaC

fizo

..... so your mandate is to be in political opposition to your mother body but without bothering to get the authority to do so from the public?
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sexyghost

Chicken are coming home to roost.

Shame, politics of bastardization
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fizo

@Cheeseboy...accept i will teach you the role of ANCYL..

Those who argued for the formation of the ANC Youth League in the early 1940s,
notably former ANC President Joshua T. Gumede, argued that the YOUTH LEAGUE
had to be formed because that was the only way to make the ANC live forever. By its
very nature the ANC Youth League has to be youthful, re-energize and radicalize the
ANC and those who are opposed to its ideals should never be tempted to liquidate
the ANC Youth League, nor destroy its leadership. The ANC Youth League is an
integral part of the ANC, but an autonomous organisation. It does many things, some
of which will not be comfortable with the older generation.
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Nalema

Momma C,


Please name the 100. If you can't, then these three must be reinstated due to inconsistencies in disciplining people who do things that bring the party into disrepute.
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RobinH

Thanks Fizo. Regarding your statement that the YL is autonomous, I would beg to differ. During the actual years of struggle a degree of autonomy was tolerated, but the constitution of the YL in no way indicates autonomy, and with respect, it would be a farce to consider it so. I am not a completely uninformed fool. We just have a difference of opinion.

Black Lion, you miss my point. I was asking what he meant. I made no assertion that they represent the youth of South Africa. Don't let your bias cloud your thinking.
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ngwanamaganagobotswa

It is now the time for the ANC to disband the current leadership of the YL from the NEC to the PEC's and introduce the NTT (National Task Team) and PTT's (Provincial Task Team). Why did Pule Mabe not be given a fair hearing, why if you have differnt views with them, you are enemy. Look at Andile Lungisa this time, You remember how was Lehlogonolo Masoga was treated by Julius Malema? Is Malema the ANC/yl? What was his contributions to the struggle? Nothing, just to confuse his fools that he is championining the poor while in Sandton and Flora Park enjoying loot from Limpopo Government. Malema will be exposed soon, let alone the Mangaung Confernce...
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fizo

Many generations before this generation defended the autonomy of the ANC Youth
League and this generation owes it upon these generations to protect and defend the
autonomy of the ANC Youth League. This generation of Youth League owes it upon
the generations of Walter Sisulu and subsequently Peter Mokaba to defend the
autonomy of the ANC YOUTH LEAGUE. A possible respond to the 1940s ANC Youth
League call for defiance of the apartheid system could have been disciplinary action
against the Youth League leadership, but its autonomy allowed space for measured
discussion which took the ANC forward. When former Presidents Robert Resha and
Nelson Mandela called for armed struggle, it was not policy of the ANC, yet they were
allowed space to raise why the ANC had to take armed struggle. In all efforts to
defend the autonomy, it should be understood that autonomy of the ANC YL is a
political matter.

Therefore the twin tasks of the youth league today, is the mobilisation of youth
behind ANC vision and programme for the construction of a non-racial, non-sexist,
democratic and prosperous society. Secondly is to champion (and place
central youth development to the nations agenda) youth development both
in the ANC and in society. Thirdly is to ensure that the Freedom Charter objectives
are realised in totality.
Informed by the above the ANC Youth League tasks are underpinned by the need
to deepen democracy, champion youth development and advocate for the
realisation of economic freedom. The role of the YL remains that of being a political
school for the training and the education of young revolutionary democrats,
whose task is to continue with the process of fundamental transformation of
South Africa in favour of millions of ordinary people both black and white.
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MommaC

Nalema

So you are saying that we have approximately 50 murders a day in SA but only about 10 of those murderers are placed before the judiciary so they should be let freee because the other 40 were not?

I agree completely that the ANC has been lax and biased in who they do or do not discipline. I'm not going to agree that calling for our country to become the neighbourhood imperialist is anything that should be allowed to slide
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MommaC

fizo

I quote you

"Therefore the twin tasks of the youth league today, is the mobilisation of youth
behind ANC vision and programme for the construction of a non-racial, non-sexist,
democratic and prosperous society. Secondly is to champion (and place
central youth development to the nations agenda) youth development both
in the ANC and in society. Thirdly is to ensure that the Freedom Charter objectives
are realised in totality."

Now apart from the fact that you have triplets instead of twins, the phrase BEHIND ANC VISION and CHAMPION YOUTH DEVELOPMENT seem to be in direct conflict with your first post
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RobinH

fizo. Nice manifesto, though lacking in a bit of factual substance.
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xBusi

@fizo

Cheeseboy quoted from the ANCYL constitution... do you state that the ANCYL constitution is wrong?
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TheDictator

The ANC itself has shown inconsistency in its disciplinary processes.

1.Why didn't they charge Malema for ridiculing Mbeki?
2.Why does disciplinary hearing start when he started ridiculing Zuma?
3.Why is it that KZN ANC can openly support Zuma for Mangaung and Mantashe does nothing about it?
4.Why do they exclusively charge Malema for Botswana issue if he was presenting a collective resolution of the ANCYL?Why didnt they charge the entire YL NEC?

So I condone the behaviour of these kids until we get some answers?
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RobinH

xBusi: It seems fizo's undoubted zeal is getting in the way of clarity.
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Nalema

Nomma C,

Think of Employment Law. If some employees are not charged and fired for transgressing policies and others are fired. Take your workplaces and I'm sure you will be aware of some cases where you work.
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MommaC

Nalema

If ANY are fired for transgressions, Cosatu throws a hissyfit. So you are still advocating lawlessness and anarchy
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Revulshionary

fizo

I am not sure who needs education here...

If the ANCYL wants to initiate a REVOLUTION against the Estabishment, but there ate funded by exactly that same establishment, it is clearly untenable...

Don't Julius and his Gravy Train realize that their Gravy is dependant upon the Capitalist Establishment they so dispise..... In fact their actions are by courtesy of that same Establishment.

Are they (AND YOU) really that stupid....





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Makhosini0408

What is the ANC youth league' claim to fame? Maybe organised chaos. This are the direct results of individuals that are bigger than the organisation. In any case, the chickens are home to roost.
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TshikiNkuna

The manner in which our fellows are failing is sickening to say the least. Our so called states men are busy flaunting in luxurious contraptions of all sorts. I find it absurd and selfishness at the highest level, of our current leaders to openly betray the orchestrators of the constitution. The latter stunt on the ANCYL by our so called president, showed how inept our president is. The dire decision taken by JZ via Cyril to disarm Malema showed pure lame ignorance/spinelessness our state leader is. All these shenanigans by Mantashe and crew will someday haunt their inner souls, which are purely contaminated with greed. Most of the bloggers on this site feel very brave behind computer screens provided by their masters, thus overlooking the people on the gutters of their penuries which JUJU raised. Not many of you in this very site have guts to raise issues which the ANCYL have raised? Succession battles should be drawn in proper platforms for such to be efficient, however our own lame president is taking a blind eye on issues pertaining his own cowardice governance. Masses should not be deceived by Mantashe/Mthembu and their cronies of being the only principled cadres in the movement (As they are forever high on booze), South African politicians are so hypnotically biased. A real state should not be governed on emotions and illusions. Zuma perpetually erred, yet we had the mercy to garner enough support for his submergence to the peak position he holds today, though he is only left with some 6 odd months on the seat.
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CheeseBoy

@fizo
eh chief i think you are condradicting yourself right there my first post was about the ANCYL not focusing on the youth of Mzansi. which you disagreed with. now you say they must champion youth development? WTH?
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1tsotsi

What went wrong i coudnt we see? This will be the song that the anc(zuma & gwede0 will be singing, as things are continuing to get out of hand. Hope they know what they doing or atleast ready for whats coming their way, the current YL leadership just reminds me of the youth of 76', no one gave them a chance but made it against all odds. The difference is that no bl.ood will be shed, atleast we hope. No retreat no surrender.
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Revulshionary

""Mabe was removed from his post as treasurer as well as NEC member after the vote.""""

So Mabe can just refuse to leave... Shoulb OK..., or Not ???????





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RobinH

Revulshionary: An interesting dilemma, to be sure.
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MommaC

Revulshionary

According to previous reports, a general vote was taken and the outcome was that Mabe stays. They then decided to do another vote with only the NEC and they made it a show of hands. 17 (I stand under correction) then abstained and that gave a majority to oust Mabe. The 17 then resigned but their resignation was denied so they went to the ANC for direction

Its all very confusing
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xBusi

@RobinH

>xBusi: It seems fizo's undoubted zeal is getting in the way of clarity.

Nothing more dangerous than passion without knowledge.
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RobinH

Robin, yes, these people (our political leaders) amaze me more by the day... I don't think any of them understands the meaning of the term; CONSISTENCY....




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RobinH

xBusi> 100% agreed. Unfortunately it's a very prevalent affliction.
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Dandan

1tsotsi


no gangsters will take over our movement, the leadership of the anc is nt decided by YL, even if by force no one will hijack the anc, the anc is nt Ratanang Trust
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Revulshionary

Dandan,

""no gangsters will take over our movement.."

Dandan, we are too late....


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rasefatee

road to mangaung paved with burning coal hahahahahahahah
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RobinH

Dandan: Naivety is cute........ in small children.
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The-Rothschilds

yawn
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BaleliM

Instead of squabbling for power and who says what, can they sqaubble about resolving so many issues affecting the country.
Talk about not knowing where the priorities lie.
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Dandan

Revulshionary
Dandan,

""no gangsters will take over our movement.."

Dandan, we are too late....
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what do you mean , the battle is now in the E cape JZ will take his share and go away, KZN 100%,Mpum 100%, FS 100%, Limp in Malemas backyard we will take 50%, NW 50% , NC 25%, WC,25%,GP35% , SACP 100%,Cosatu 55%,Womens Lig 100%


here are the votes stop telling us politics without figures , only the figure that will decide in Mongaung , not intimidations
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Revulshionary

Dandan,

I do not dispute your figures..., but that will not rid us of the CURRENT gangsters !!!...



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Lincoln2

@Cheeseboy
I don't know if we are interpreting this constitution correctly, but achieving fundamental social change for the benefit of all young people is exactly what the ANCYL is trying to do. The problem is that there are forces who are hellbent on trying to remove a leader or leaders without the permission of the 5331 delegates who voted for them. These leaders are being removed with sinister motives under the guise of ill-discipline. If a person is employed and is disciplined, found guilty and appeals and also found guilty, he then goes to the CCMA and argues his point accross and many South Africans have won their cases because the DC & Appeals process is filled with people who want to get rid of you at all cost. Our leaders that you seem not proud of are subjected to unfair disciplinary processes being charged of contravening a policy that does not exist. The Botswana issues for example shows no ANC policy being contravened, a SADC document was produced, Magaqa apologized in public as ordered and yet he is suspended. The ANCYL recognizes such decisions as unfair and have come to a conclusion that these are sinister moves and have since noticed that it is because they are articulating certain views which are unpopular here in SA but progressive parties around the world are now adopting. In France a socialist party has won over the Conservative party, In America the NHI is in nature a socialist policy & the baillout plan to the banks is also socialist in nature and many hardliner politicians there were worried that this is a communist move. Winston Churchill lost to a candidate who had plans to nationalized all strategic sectors of the economy and he succeeded and years later the greedy capitalist saw the country was now thriving and they took over. Norway's oil is nationalized, Implats has a sister company in Zimbabwe called Zimplats and the shareholders have not run away after the company was nationalized. All i'm trying to say is that there are progressive organisations on the international arena who are pushing for socialist agenda and are pushing to close the gap between the poor and the rich. These views are unpopular and the ANCYL will never surrender the views and have vowed never to be the generation that sells or gives up the autonomy of the ANCYL. They are determined and Guptas owned newspapers and Luthuli house is just across the street from Independent newspapers. They can try and character assassinate the ANCYL they will never surrender. If they want to attack the ANCYL's president personality then we should also attack the ANC and the country's president. He has so many flaws in his personality and him being a poor guy that borrowed from Madiba & later Schabir Shaik to him now building a R64 million house then we should be worried. This autonomy guarantees future generations for the youth to continue on the self determination path that started long time ago. JZ enjoys the company of the MK followers because of the YL of Mandelas & Sisulus amid accusation of ill-discipline from the leaders in their times. The ANCYL are not a bunch of monkeys as being touted in the media and comment such as these will never deterr them from being focussed on what they are trying to achieve. Mandela has never surrendered his stance despite being branded a terrorist by US, Britain and all counter-revolutionary forces. Fidel Castro continues to be a thorn in the US and are even adopting some of his policies when it comes to health. What do they do, put sanctions against Cuba and brand him a person who makes his people poor, this what they are doing with Zim and this is what is happening to the youth league. Victiory is Certain Asijiki!!
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RobinH

At this stage, figures shift constantly.
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RobinH

Lincoln: Interesting. So when does volume 2 appear, lol?
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truthhurt

We fully support the ANCYL's decision and we stand behind our President Julius Malema.
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Dandan

Revulshionary


if you had problem with current leadership, unluckly, try DA and see how you push aside this elephant
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Sasafrican

ANC and its No so youth league ...
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Manarchy

we do not all support the ancyl's decision, but scared of purging if we say anything.
no dessent voices are being allowed in yl structures.
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Revulshionary

Dandan,

The problems I have with the ruling ELITE pales into insignificance... When compared to the lot of the POOR on whose shoulders the CURRENT thugs are thriving....

Mzantsi Fo Sho !!!....





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Neete

Somebody cut off my chicken's head & let it run lose. Surprisingly i saw it in the media with different name: ANCYL. It has always been defiant. The Head is missing _____YL.
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Revulshionary

Manarchy :
""we do not all support the ancyl's decision, but scared of purging if we say anything.
no dessent voices are being allowed in yl structures.""

But Manarchy, I thougt South Africa is a DEMOCRACY.

Or are the YOUTH just pissss scared to do anything... or to have a viewpoint ???....

Personally I think a lot of SANS have RUBBER SPINES !!!....



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RobinH

Manarchy. So leave the league. Simple.
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Manarchy

Rev & Robin
the ancyl still has a big part to play in the future of mzansi when the leaders who are now there will stop thinking of power and think of people.

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Rockwell

Are they crazy, do they really think that Zuma will re-instate these so called leaders. They need to wake up and smell the coffee because reality has come to bite them where it hurts the most. Now the final thing to do will be to disband the whole youth leaque and set up an interim structure that will be supportive of the mother body. The rebels must go and start their own circus and continue with their boring rhetoric.
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Ngiyaphapha

RobinH

Haven't u considered being an ANC card carrying cadre???
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Revulshionary

Manarchy, you said :
""...... when the leaders who are now there will stop thinking of power and think of people."""


Manarchy,

If that happens, it will be the best NEWS this Century..... But I am not holding my breath.....







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RobinH

Ngiyaphapha: "Haven't u considered being an ANC card carrying cadre???" WHAT? I'm not completely nuts. I value my autonomy of thought. I align myself to NO party.

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Neete

@Manarchy. They do Think about the People! Unfortunately occasionally. @Rockwell: I like ur statement, i think u shud have replaced the coffee with manure - lest coffee make them stay.
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Ngiyaphapha

RobinH

Wouldn't the "thought" add value to the ANC?
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KAWUKHONJWA

They( so called ANCYL) are now inviting enormous trouble, this group in support of the suspended and dismissed. They are now not good standing members of ANC with they gestures demonstrated to public through media, meaning they won't be allowed to attend the elective conference in Mangaung. Eventually they will be completely removed from ANC. It is either they're ill- informed about ANC 's constitution or they are remotely controlled by they sidelined cronies which make them idiots.

ANC had survived major incidents than these mick mouth chatters ,the group of thugs. This so called ANCYL are just thugs loudly claiming to be militants and radical for economical change at expense of poor black South Africans but they are not. If it was not this ANC's procedures, so called ANCYL of today should have disbanded long time. This group is after luxury life style.They are brainless,loud noise makers and fat cats with big tummies like Paul Kruger can't be militia at all yet they under 30s age wise.

osomathuba basinyanyisa thina..bazoyisutha induku.
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Ngiyaphapha

This "jewelary and bling bling" business keeps biting the ANCYL.....
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Ngiyaphapha

correction!

This "jewelary and bling bling" demon keeps biting the ANCYL.....
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LijahaSisu

KAWUKHONJWA
bazoyisutha induku.
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Threatening an elected structure of the ANC with violence simply because you disagree with their views is being in good standing according to you or in accordance with the constitution of the ANC constitution and makes you well informed.
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Sinudeity

LOL, Ronald in the picture looks like he's mad :P

We've got a b@d@ss over here!
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1tsotsi

Dandan
1tsotsi


no gangsters will take over our movement, the leadership of the anc is nt decided by YL, even if by force no one will hijack the anc, the anc is nt Ratanang Trust
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Ganstars and fraudsters(zuma and gwede) took over the movement in polokwane 2007, thats why we have a mess in the organisation, The leadership of the anc is not decided by the mother body also, no one will stop the YL.
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1tsotsi

Dandan
Revulshionary
Dandan,

""no gangsters will take over our movement.."

Dandan, we are too late....
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what do you mean , the battle is now in the E cape JZ will take his share and go away, KZN 100%,Mpum 100%, FS 100%, Limp in Malemas backyard we will take 50%, NW 50% , NC 25%, WC,25%,GP35% , SACP 100%,Cosatu 55%,Womens Lig 100%


here are the votes stop telling us politics without figures , only the figure that will decide in Mongaung , not intimidations
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But where did you get those figures? Did you cook them with KHULUBUSE? I'm sure your sugar level will be good in mangaung so that you dont collapse after the anouncement of the results. Everyone is gatvol met jakob zuma and gwede, the Real ANC will reclaim its movement back to its rightful people under Kgalema, and jacob will be busy with court cases.
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Sinudeity

1tsotsi - Your dreaming. The "real ANC" is dead dude. Welcome to reality. You let this happen.
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Neete

I think Julia-s shud really consider using his home language when he speaks. for english hire a translator. When he addresses the community with his mother tongue he speaks well & with respect. U can give him standing ovation, But once he switch to english: The Incredible Tongue returns.
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RobinH

Ngiyaphapha: You seem to think that I actually WANT to contribute to the regime that is becoming almost as repressive as nazism. No thank you. I do not align myself to any body that requires one to subject oneself to the whim of some power monger. Oh no. Not for me. As a truly democratic party that happens to hold the majority at present, the ANC leadership needs to 1) demonstrate that they actually give a damn about the people (So far that track record is shocking, what with the likes of Manyi and the Gauteng Bling Premier and their blatant displays of disregard), and 2) Pay attention to the very plainly expressed views of the people (and the current SANRAL debacle and the manner in which the matter is being handled gives one little hope in that regard). I remain happily unaligned and critical of ALL party-line thinking, whether it be DA, ANC or any other grouping.

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1tsotsi

Sinudeity
1tsotsi - Your dreaming. The "real ANC" is dead dude. Welcome to reality. You let this happen.
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In your own words, its nice to dream.
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Dandan

KAWUKHONJWA


to help you briefly, disbanding them will be very big blunder/suicide remember these fools are coached by very intelligent mafios the likes of Paul mashatile, Tokyo, Phosas what they are doing is to sell an idea to the mother body that they are disfunctioning as result the mother body disband them, that will make them a big opportunists to say the leadership of Jacob Zuma cannt lead the movement

All what the ANC should do is to consider an interim structure to lead the YL to Mongaung by so doing they will be conquered an secondly to disband Limp PEC where Malema is getting more funds to destroy the ANC, but that is nt 120% stop since Tokyo,Phosa can still flow funds to Malema to destroy the anc. It is good that the mother body carry the flag to Mongaung that the YL has been infiltrated by hooligans who don’t want to take orders or follow the policies of the anc which is disciplinary action policy

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Msevido

@ CHEESE BOY

These stupids, instead of focusing on ISSUES AFFECTING THE YOUTH decide to focus on an idiot like malema. there are millions of disenfranchised young people out there. some of them gang rap.ing girls because they have nothing better to do. some of them jobless and have no means to improve their livelyhood. they are hungry for mentors which is the role that should be played by youth organisations.the ANCYL has lost the plot completely.


Malema is not an idiot, ANCYL cant do anything to change livelihoods of youth. Youth can change lives on their own. What Malema was preaching is Economic Freedom..........and no idiot can think of Economic Freedom. FACT Malema is going to bounce back and you'll understand.

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Sinudeity

1tsotsi - Hehe, that it is.

But jacob running for a second term is a good thing. It will force people to reconsider which party they vote for. A vote for South Africa, or a vote for Jacobs bank account.
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Msevido

There's no dumping in the History of ANC. Malema did exactly what he was hired to do, just like what Mbalula did to Mbeki. But The Honourable Mbeki, because of his proffesionalism and skills of leadership did not expelled or dump Mbalula. Why is Zuma doing this?.


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1tsotsi

Sinudeity
1tsotsi - Hehe, that it is.

But jacob running for a second term is a good thing. It will force people to reconsider which party they vote for. A vote for South Africa, or a vote for Jacobs bank account.
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Dont worry sinu; jacob is coming to the cross.
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switman

This factions are slowly taking the ANC down the drain and this will only be seen when it will be losing in different branches around different provinces.
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SAMETHING

R Lamola last nite on Metro...here ANCYL show unit applaud to that, its not about their fired commrade here ..issues such as Economic Freedom shld be discussed unlike their elders who are taking us nowhere hiding their heads in sand- with silly things like street name changes.
We wld like the Urban/Rural Land reforms changes rite now and more reforms, our people still struggle to own properties we forking lot of cash purchasing from the minority who benefited from past regime to own those land.


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RobinH

Msevido: "There's no dumping in the History of ANC" HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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Dandan

1tsotsi


I know you as my friend old one, imediately I start talking numbers you see flies by the way what was the joke all about you said you pay how much R10 monthly which makes R90 annually, repeat it my friend I forgot, lol
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CheeseBoy

@Msevido

Malema is not an idiot, ANCYL cant do anything to change livelihoods of youth. Youth can change lives on their own

And that chief is precisly why people like me have issues with people like you who think the ANCYL is a ticket to self enrichment, as epitomised by malema and his cohorts. you write a constitution that claims to champion the needs of the YOUTHs of Mzansi. then now you declare that its not your role. matter of fact your other colleagues are contradicting what you just said.

to some up the ANCYL in two words. TOTAL CONFUSION.
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TheDictator

@Msevido
Malema is not an idiot, ANCYL cant do anything to change livelihoods of youth. Youth can change lives on their own. What Malema was preaching is Economic Freedom..........and no idiot can think of Economic Freedom. FACT Malema is going to bounce back and you'll understand.
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You talk like a true revolutionary.However,being a true revolutionary wont add any value to RSA.There was an opportunity for youth businesses and entrepreneurs to be developed via NYDA,but ANCYL sieged the poor organisation and paralysed it.

So this thing of preaching economic freedom and destroying development institutions is a contradiction.Again,economic freedom preached by the YL was ill-informed.Taking over mines, banks and unproductive land is not a way to go.

Instead we should focus on education,training and entrepreneurship to become economically free.
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mthosam

I think ppl are missing something, If the world youth organisation consider malema to be deputy un-contested, are still saying ANC was right to expel the boy. I for one I see this with a different EYE. Malema would have not expelled if he didn't challenge Zuma' s administration.
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Dandan

mthosam
what are you saying dep for what, who gave him that portfolio who endosred him since we know he must go to jail
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1tsotsi

Dandan
1tsotsi


I know you as my friend old one, imediately I start talking numbers you see flies by the way what was the joke all about you said you pay how much R10 monthly which makes R90 annually, repeat it my friend I forgot, lol
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I have always suspected that you that samsam thing, judging by your comments and your low IQ, i was right, whats next? Changing your name to zumzum? Somethings will never change, i said R10 for the youth league per year, as in the youth league we dont have an option for paying the membership for 5 years(54 months), for the mother body its R12x5= R60, is that hard to see or understand?
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rasefatee

SAMETHING
R Lamola last nite on Metro...here ANCYL show unit applaud to that, its not about their fired commrade here ..issues such as Economic Freedom shld be discussed unlike their elders who are taking us nowhere hiding their heads in sand- with silly things like street name changes.
We wld like the Urban/Rural Land reforms changes rite now and more reforms, our people still struggle to own properties we forking lot of cash purchasing from the minority who benefited from past regime to own those land.
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nothing will change the truth


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Dandan

1tsotsi
Dandan
1tsotsi


ooooooooooooooola com tsotsi, lol
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swona

those who think malema and gang will bounce back must wake up, they must be dreaming, i see Zuma joining him out, in the cold! there is someone who will emerge in Mangaung who is more sane than the circus of leadership that we exposed to, who will have sane leader of the youth league to support him and his exacutive, the silence by most ANC leaders while this drama unfolds is there to remove rotten eggs, the unruly and hot-headed might not make it from Mangaung! failure to that, if zuma survive and be given another term, the country would be in better place in the dogs' hands than his!
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CheeseBoy

@TheDictator

exactly. you hit the nail there. fizo linclon Msevido and his buddies support this preaching of economic freedom? what the hell is that to the youth of Mzansi when the very organisations umsobomvu youth fund akd NYDA have been destroyed by the very same ANCYL . It is not only a contradiction, it is also an insult to young people of Mzansi who can see what this STRUGGLE FOR POWER is all about. self enrichment.

to hell with all that revolution sh!t
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

@Sinudeity
1tsotsi - Hehe, that it is.

But jacob running for a second term is a good thing. It will force people to reconsider which party they vote for. A vote for South Africa, or a vote for Jacobs bank account.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Some of us have long suspected this. That there are those who think a second term for Jacob Zuma can only be advantageous to the opposition. A vote for Jacob Zuma will only strengthen the opposition. We should not forget that many people were very confused during the 2009 general election and were considering not voting for the ANC. That is until Nelson Mandela came out to say let us vote for Nxamalala. That is when people changed their minds because they realised that the ANc was bigger than Jacob Zuma. Even though they did not like Jacob Zuma as president, the felt that they could still trust the ANC to lead. many people were also told that Jacob Zuma will only serve one term and obviously thought they would endure shame and embrassment just for five years. Now it appears that Jacob Zuma and his faction now think they are bigger than the ANC. Jacob Zuma wants to serve a second ter, and I am not sure that after what we are going through in this term, there are many ANC supporters who are prepared to endure another five years of ANC members and supporters hanging their heads in shame. If he comes back, I would like to vote for AZAPO. At least I will be able to sleep well during the night. Definitely NOT DA!
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Dandan

ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat


unamanga unamanga stop lying ppl were clear in their minds Tutu came out clearly he voted Cope, Mbeki and many more after their minds were set up they came back forcefully, Anele,Tabanes, that wh.ite lady from cope I forget her name etc


During the local govt elections thats when Juilus was sabataging the movement whith his shananigans in /out of court with racism slants
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Mbelewolwazi

The downfall of the ANCYL is that they are single track minded. They are unable to do an introspection which would have allowed them an elusive opportunity to reflect and be able to separate fact from fiction. They are now defying their own constitution which requires the deputy to assume presidency for the business of the organization to continue. They leave in a dream world by thinking that they can get clemency from the very motherbody they were villifying. If they do not wake up to the reality of the situation they may not see Mangaung. "Imbazo iloli we bazalwane."
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Aijaman

I was telling myself that I won't comment. I will let the combrades to educate the masses.Something is really bothering me.
I wish each and every-1 who is opposing ANCYL can come with valid political points instead of defending and bashing out ANCYL calling our leaders names.

Trust me, either the mother body decided to take actions against Lamola. They won't survive cause the whole of ANCYL executive is united behind the wheel of economic freedom for the youth of South Africa. The executive is united behind the movement of convincing the mother body to re-instate combrade Malema, Floyd and Sindiso Magaqa. This does not mean ANCYL cannot continue with it's mandate without the combrades mentioned above. It simply means that the ANCYL has stand it's ground "We shall not be intimidated and ANCYL autonomy shall not be tainted".

All those who say ANCYL is not foccusing on the matters of the youth of South Africa. I wish to advice them to visit ANCYL offices and be educated there if they can't be educated on this forum by combrade Lincoln, Fizo and Nalema. At the sametime I wish that the people can do research on certain issues and understand them better. It is clear that some of you guys who are opposing lack knowledge and understanding political issues hence you use your emotions in debating these issues.
Lastly I wish to point out that the dabate must not be changed to an argument. In that manner - No one will benefit from what we are discussing and we won't reach any consensus..When ANCYL said Thabo Mbeki is a dictator no one spoke but when ANCYL is saying Zuma is a dictator. Some-1 is expelled!!!

Fact - This country won't have proper and accurate leader if the platform of discussing the leadership is not opened. It is hightime that the leadership should be discussed openly before we nominate. We must not confuss the nomination process with discussing the leadership. If the leadership is not discussed. It simply means that those who are elected to lead will relax because there is no follow up on their managerial style.
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Mbelewolwazi

correction "live" not "leave"

I wonder why in SA we tend to follow individuals more than parties. Our loyalties are misplaced.We should strive to be truthful to ourselves as the night the day. There is no way a politician can be truthful to him or herself if their own beings are based on lies. The way they change statements they think people are stupid and have short memories.
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TheDictator
The ANC itself has shown inconsistency in its disciplinary processes.

1.Why didn't they charge Malema for ridiculing Mbeki?
2.Why does disciplinary hearing start when he started ridiculing Zuma?
3.Why is it that KZN ANC can openly support Zuma for Mangaung and Mantashe does nothing about it?
4.Why do they exclusively charge Malema for Botswana issue if he was presenting a collective resolution of the ANCYL?Why didnt they charge the entire YL NEC?

So I condone the behaviour of these kids until we get some answers?
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Mr Mantashe said in 2011, ANC has promised to send a team of strategists to assist Zanu PF come up with an effective campaign strategy that would ensure victory for President Robert Mugabe in elections expected either next year or in 2013.

How different is this from what the ANCYL said about Botswana and yet no disciplinary steps taken against Mantashe? Zimbabwe is also a sovereign state.
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Dandan

Mbelewolwazi


lol, plse update us what are they saying at some stage i cannt follow what is their statement
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cornelius

If a person is standing with his feet ankle deep in cr@p, it does not help him to say he is not standing with his feet in cr@p.He is standing with his feet in cr@p.

If you define yourself outside of the ANC , it does not help to say you are not defining yourself outside the ANC. You are defining yourself outside the ANC.

Disband this organization until they learn to be disciplined ANC members.
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kenzo6

for the fact Malema is a ANCYL President not ANC President, if he is charged and convicted with a constitution of ANC, he must be suspended in the ANC only. TO show that de ANC leadership is corrupt en they have a hiden agenda dey SUSPEND his Youth league participation, this show us corruption, e.g. to be a ANC member u complete a membership form, ANC member is not automatically ANCYL members u can check the constitution now. and again ANCYL member is not automatically ANC member, to participate in both parties u need t hv a membership for both of them. I want to state very clear MALEMA must retain his ANCYL presidency and membership.ZUMA and MANTASHE if they ar very strict with the constitution of the ANC, south africa was going to grow x4 economically. e.g. the POLOKWANE resolution ar not emplemented.AND GOVERNMENT and PRIVATE sector must produce JOBS and economic apportunities for youth, lets not blame MALEMA for lack of YOUTH activities. MALEMA was not president of South Africa. VIVA malema VIVA. u as a south african what ar u doing to address youth in your area. check ur participation first and u ar doing none den what.
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Senganga247

Im getting educated by the many comments that I see here. Especially relating to the importance and relevance of the ANCYL:-)
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kenzo6

if we are fair why is Sindiso Magaqa suspended bcause he has appologised to de minister, the whole process of suspending this ANCYL leaders is based in MANGAUNG only bcause someone want to keep his POSITION in the ANC comes or after Mangaung. TO show that dey ar realy DICTATORS dey removed the Secretary General, so dey removed the front legs of the ANCYL. lets be fair de removal of malema has nothing to do with discipline but is based with who want to lead ANC after mangaung.
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Mojajos

ANCYL must concentrate on the future of the league and stop mumbling around. Malema and his duo are history, life must go on. Actually we are tired of everyday we hear of the in fights of ANCYL and the mother dody. Who is the Bozz ANC is not these small kids who are of their mind fighting for a imateure somebody who doesn't have manners always insulting his superiors. Down juju down.
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cornelius

@ Kenzo6

So a person who is not an ANC member can be a member of ANCYL ?
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Dandan
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat


unamanga unamanga stop lying ppl were clear in their minds Tutu came out clearly he voted Cope, Mbeki and many more after their minds were set up they came back forcefully, Anele,Tabanes, that wh.ite lady from cope I forget her name etc


During the local govt elections thats when Juilus was sabataging the movement whith his shananigans in /out of court with racism slant
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Really now. Does not the truth matter at all?

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KAWUKHONJWA

We are either doped or we're trying to dope others. Who is carry who mandate on side of ANCYL's leadership. This ANCYL leadership was established on the thuggerism from onset, did not able to close the conference properly under leadership of Malema. The ANC president ,JZ was called to close it and advised on the ANCYL issues to be carried out as the ANCYL's mandate. From that time up to date the leadership of ANCYL has been involved language abusive and contravening the ANC's constitution.

Under JZ leadership all tripatitte allies and ANCYL are welcome in any discussion or debates on the economic, social and political matters of the country.What made the ANCYL leadership run to media even before the conclusions taken from the collective platform. I think none of these leadership members are worth to be in any ANC's structure's leadership.

I strongly believe JZ is candidate to put ANC in order because he has all command to do so. After him, I see danger because all the suggested names come with calculated command. Actually even after he left his position must help the one who takes over the leadership position for period of time within ANC.

We all need the betterment of all black SA communities by own governing vanguard trully dedicated to really upliftment of all black south africans. S.A doesn't need any Western influenced or educated candidates to hold us unaction economic theories because all African countries' leaders who are western educated are proven to be remotely controlled on the mother land. They invest in western countries turned Africa a fighting groung and land of extracting minerals to Europe.

ANC is the people governing vanguard we must fight for it genuinely and refuse any hypocrates in it

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RogerBlack

@CheeseBoy
'It shall rally behind ALL the youth of our country to play an active part in the struggles of the communities by building a defense of democracy. In doing so the ANCYL shall strive to achieve fundamental social change for the benefit of ALL young people and working class It shall endeavor to unite the YOUTH of our country to take their rightful place in the affairs of the country'
Dankie buti....babotswa hobala- all they know is to take everything that the media feeds them and be excessively vocal abt it wen u ask for them for, fact.tshu! fok*l.
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RogerBlack

@RobinH
Ngiyaphapha: "Haven't u considered being an ANC card carrying cadre???" WHAT? I'm not completely nuts. I value my autonomy of thought. I align myself to NO party.
ROTO ENKULU...


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FreeSpeech

C'mon kiddies. Daddy is gone. Now get on with your life.
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

After Kgalema Motlanthe has won in Mangaung, the ANC National Conference should appoint a Commission of Inquiry to investigate ANC disciplinary processes and whether they were abused to settle political scores and stifle debate. If anyone is found guilty of abusing disciplinary processes such a person should be barred from holding any position in the ANC, for the next 10 years.
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