A pin up racist... now I now what Malema meant when he said the little racist girl....It shows that you can't have everything!!!!! Shame sitting on top of the world sickness!!!! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MommaC
'Racist language not in my nature'
Well apparently it is.
Wave goodbye to your career dolly. That was a very expensive Freudian slip indeed. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
MommaC morning!!!
I wonder what her parents are saying? You know kids can change a perception the neighboures have about parents...Now she's trying to pull her head out of her asss with some retarded PR rhetory that the language is not is not in her nature and she does not understand why people are so mean!!!
I wonder what her friends are saying about this and if she still has any.
There are some words you just don't use, no matter how angry you are. I just wonder what the silly tart would have said if it had been a white guy perving her. Or would that have been more acceptable in her mind? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Pointman
On the bright side - at least most of us are in the middle ground which is good. Kul! Roberts got the same treatment for her rac!st take on "coloreds". Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
swona
you not alone most SAcans are just like you! pity u lost sponsorship! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
mambaaai
swona well said, apparently you dont have to be wh!te to be a racist... just need an opinion on somebody from another race or tribe Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
PleaseGetReal
No matter how angry someone makes you, playing the race card is not ok. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
tpaz
racism is natural......
as natural as loving your own kids than the neighbors kids....
Is that a fact, is it your assumption or your opinion, did she realise or was she told? :D ;) Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
theMrs
biggest life lesson: be careful of your utterances in the public domain baby girl! and catch the next flight to australia. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Bdoobs
If you said it, you meant it witch, wonder how long that insurance company you work for will tollerate your racist antics, your modelling career is done, before you know it a kaff!r will be your boss and you will share a office with african monkeys. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
imthegreatest
if she can say this on a public platform, what about behind close doors with her pe.ople/family. Africans get it in your skul, most SA(over 90%) whi.tes h.ate us, period. we have forgiven them but they have never apologise. the mddam will kis u during election time and go home clean her mouth with bleach while the hus.band is refusin to kis her for a month but kis her immeadiately after she has kised a do.g. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
DJWinner
Well, she must make a sex tape with a black guy and post it on internet for free downloads. Only then we can get convinced that she is not racist and we can forgive her.
"Out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks" Matthew 12:34.
Unfortunately for you Leandra the mouth spoke at the wrong time and has cost you dearly... You def need help and I think the help is going to cost you more than money Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
KarlZimbiri
@swona, I think U have a point, most are not better than this little girl.
@ All
He who believes he has never discriminated anyone may go ahead and chop this young girl.
I have noticed that most bloggers lose sanity whenever there are news involving Limpopo. They suddenly hurl all the greatest insults under the sun and they believe they are within their humour to do that. Even if it is a mistake that could possibly have been committed by anybody, as long as it was committed by a Limpopo person people lose their rationale and start with hateful comments that are influenced by tribal motives and ethnic chauvinism.
So, now, what makes Jessica different? Actually, she is better coz she does not insult her own people. She is insulting a race that in any case derives joy out of insulting each other.
Just hand over that little b.utt so I can give you a proper spa.nking with my black pipe. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Makhosini0408
OK. She is not a racist sham, just a liberal young narrow minded and confused soul?
This are the damm results of a political correct country that sweeps everything under the carpet so that the world can hail it as a rainbow nation or a shining example.
Really now, in 2012, we still have to deal with such nonsensic utterances?
Unfortunately, no matter how had we try, we cannot rehabilitate racists, period. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
jessica just blew a huge racist hole in the fake notion of the supposedly 'born fr33' and untained with racism, it also shows some parents in this country are not remorseful of our racist past hence they continue to instill racist beliefs in the process of bringing up the jessicas of this world, I just want to know how is these ppl like jessica going to survive? jessica's behaviour reminds of the youth being groomed by right wingers in the farms, whose training involved conditioning them into becoming fully fledged racist ticking time bomb, I blame the anc for failing to follow up on the TRC if adhere to what this process was intended for. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
imthegreatest
@DJWinner
Well, she must make a sex tape with a black guy and post it on internet for free downloads. Only then we can get convinced that she is not racist and we can forgive her.
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she will rather fu&k a do.g than African. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
of noteworthy is that jessica is not an Afrikaner the 'usual suspects' on the racism stakes. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
mambaaai
juju, also played this card, see where he is as well..... not a good card to play at all.... doesent help the individual , the rest of the people in the land, or society in general because it gets everyone going which adversly affects all.... played itself out badly many times over .... its just not good.... in a way its a crime to peace in society and she should go sit in jail Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
mambaaai
juju, also played this card, see where it got him, as well..... not a good card to play at all.... doesent help the individual , the rest of the people in the land, or s0ciety in g3neral because it gets everyone going which @dversly @ffects all.... this stuff has played itself out badly many times over in the world .... its just not g00d.... in a way its a cr!me to p3ace in s0ciety and she should go sit in j@il Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
I am wondering what is that the guy at Spar must have said which has unleashed jessica into a fully fledged racist.
@Mambaai I read that someone has taken this matter up with the courts, so if found guilty which she shld she will be fined or something to that effect, this is permanent stain in her young life, this is a direct result of parents bringing up their children badly, as jessica is an udult, she should take full responsibility of her behaviour, but her parents also should partly take a blame for the way they brought her up. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
cornelius
There is rac.ism on all sides in SA. It is often provo.ked by something that happens. How many blogg.ers on this site have expressed their hatr.ed. of w.hites, calling them "pin.k p.igs" etc,, without even a comment from other bloggers. The attitude displayed by some bloggers is astoundin.g. and smac.ks of emotin.al immaturi.ty..
!@ MorenaWaPolela. How on earth do you use this incident to justify M.alema's insult of Zille ? The mind boggles. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
oldlady2
I have learnt a valuable lesson from this incident. I missed Friday's comments and only read them yesterday. On Friday someone explained how the use of the word in the past, was always preceeded with something like" fo.k.ken d.om k, vandag m'o.er ek jou" before a black person was severely assaulted in humiliated. I've always wondered why the word has so much power to hurt black people, because you mostly can call a wh.ite any name, and they just let it slide, because words don't make us the people we are. I would have thought the insult would be in the word d.om. This erson made me understand where the power of the word comes from. Us wh.ites often do not understand what black people went through in the past, and therefor do not always understand the reaction to such a word. Thank you Jessica. Although you ki.l.led your career, you helped teach me something I did not know before. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Socrates
@MommaC, yeah that was a Freudian Slip, her subconscious has always wanted to come out into the conscious. And trust me when u I say this is harboured by many white people I know. Sadly they just dont have the guts. Jessica is in her early 20's, technically this means many 20 osmething white kids harbour the sentiments and these are kids born during the demise of apartheid. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MGEEZ
“The people that do know me, know that this is not my nature and verbal usage.”
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Really now!!! so I guess you did not write that which you wrote either then, did you now???? We have been here Leandra dear for a long time to know people like you are insincere and cancer to our society. The first step to rehabilitation is to ackowledge that you have a problem. What you should be doing is to apologise at every opportunity that you get and accept what you have done. Your racist tendencies will not cease to exist just because you are denying them!!!!!
Get proffesional help!!! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Socrates
@MommaC, I would think if it was a white guy making moves on her she would have taken that as a compliment. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@oldlady2
"I've always wondered why the word has so much power to hurt black people, because you mostly can call a wh.ite any name, and they just let it slide" If that were true why did Afriforum took malema to court for his racist rants and Helen Zille also did same?
You know oldlady2 the inability of white persons of SA to have humility and emotional intelligence is a direct reason that you guys are never going fit in with the majority, cause instead of offering excuses as why the victims such a racist derotory is intended for, what is needed now is a sincere apology, then this case will be closed, when De Klerk apologised (SINCERELY) for apartheid majority black SAns forgave, but then with guys using words like K knowing with intention to hurt, just how can we forgive and forget? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
mambaaai
somaartakeit
you make a g00d p0int, her p@rents may have t@ught her c0rrectly as well
P3ople should take r3sp0nsibility for their 0wn @ctions.... this bl@ming stuff is also pvre rvbbish... she did it.... reg@rdless of what that gvy s@id in the sh0p... she w3nt and put it on twitter....
the hvman is the only creatvre that can take a m0ment and d3cide what its g0ing to do, before it r3acts to a stimvlvs, or to something another said or did
Just out of curiosity, what exactly did this K2ffir say or do that was perceived to be sexual harrassment ? maybe she should lay a charge or something. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
1tsotsi
Not all white people are ra.cist, but most of them are. Where are going with our rainbow nation dream? I think the media shouldnt have given her the attention she is seeking. South africa is better off without this girl. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
@cornelius
I can because i believe Malema's racist girl reference should have been directed at this little girl!!!
Just also out of curiosity, did the "Rude African monkeys" sexually harrass her aswell ? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
You know for my part I personally don't care abt the k word cause I know that the ones using it are ignorant nazis, but what infuriates me is when you get ppl defending and making excuses as to why black victims of racism must tolerate being abused by these ignorant nazis.
It is like me saying to someone after walking over his/her foot and deliberately causing him/her harm, and when this person informs that I had hurt them and I turn around and say, 'you should grow a thick skin' I wonder how long to these ppl like jessica think they can push black SAns around for before they get a violent response to their provocation.
I am grateful for one thing though, that she didn't make this remark at Spar, cause then she wld now be in hospital fighting for her racist life. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
cornelius
@ somaartakeit.
Afrifo.rum is trying to stop the singing of a song that is advocating the m.urder of w.hite f.armers in a time where f.arm.m.urders are a reality.
Zille instituted a private court action to defend her dignity, against a little tsotsi who went around saying she is sleeping with her entire male cabinet.
Can you really not see the difference ?
W.hite people geenerally do not throw their toys out of the cot, tear their hair out, and carry on as if the world has ended when they are called derogatory names, because we do not suffer from a victim mentality. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MGEEZ
oldlady2
I would have thought the insult would be in the word d.om. This erson made me understand where the power of the word comes from. Us wh.ites often do not understand what black people went through in the past, and therefor do not always understand the reaction to such a word. Thank you Jessica. Although you ki.l.led your career, you helped teach me something I did not know before.
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What is this thing that you think Jessica helped to teach you about black people seeing that she also is not black????????????????????????? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@KeRataBasadi
Just also out of curiosity, did the "Rude African monkeys" sexually harrass her aswell ?
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Dude please explain to me, cause now it gets really confusing, just how is it possible to sexually harass a porn model? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
KeRataBasadi
Not all South Africans swiftly voiced their distaste at Leandra’s comments, some thought it a sensible reaction from their "child", no prizes for guessing those that did. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
oldlady2
Somaartakeit, you are more intelligent than this. Afriforum's problem was never with the word bo.er, it was with the calling for ki.lling the bo.er, whatever you may understand bo.er to mean. And as far as I understand it, Zille's problem was with the insult that basica.lly called her a pros.titute, although I do feel Zille should not have made such a big issue out of it. She should have taken it from whom it comes.
Somaartakeit, i was also not using any excuse. It was a black person on Friday's comments that explained where the hurt of the word comes from, I was never part of any police or army, and never saw incidents where black people were assaulted, neither did my mother ever allowed us to use that word. As a matter of fact, it was a word I only heard once I was a grown up. This girl can apologise all she wants, I don't think you, or any other person on this forum will ever believe the apology is sincere. I appreaciate the new insight I was given by this blogger on Friday, and if that upsets you, so be it. I don't think I'm too old to learn. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Tabza325is
@somaartakeit
I am wondering what is that the guy at Spar must have said which has unleashed jessica into a fully fledged racist.
I suspect he was trying to cotter( Shela) her and like most white girls who don't expect a black guy to Mac on her she was cought off guard, she couldn't believe an " African M0nkey" was Mac'ing on her. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
mambaaai
somaartakeit
you mention the nazis.... now that was another thing altogether, as well because the most of the people were wh1tees. There is a very intersting guy who came out of that thing. Well worth looking at what he realised and discovered during those times. its worth looking him up.
his name is Victor Frankle....
This stupid ashkenazi b!tch advertises her body for a living then she has a problem with a black brother admiring her body and making remarks. Forget going for professional coaching why don't you go to back the cauacusus mountains and mingle with your own since you have a problem with the original man. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
oldlady2
Mgeez, I thought I explained it very clearly. Jessica showed her raci.st side. Then on Friday, many black blogger responded with equal racis.t reactions. Then a black blogger commented on why this word hurts and infuriates black people so much. Had she not acted so openly racis.t, I would not have had the opportunity to read responses from black people, and I would not know why the word hurts them so much. Clear now. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Lutokolalubiko
She can appologise all she wants, but I am not fooled. She doesnt mean a single word, while typing her appologies in her heart she is saying, "ka*****, wasting my time". We dont need people like her, she should be kicked out of our country. Bloody Agent. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
kilawea
......ha ha ha ha......Is this bimbo the new Julius Sello????........why so much importance to her brain tissue shifted to the top and bottom of her trunk?????.....Do we expect "models" the sharpest pencils in the box??.....Everybody knows the "cattle display contests" choose the best looking bedroom ornaments rather............
If she had slapped her offender, that hardly would have been news, assuming her story true..... Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@cornelius
@ somaartakeit.
Afrifo.rum is trying to stop the singing of a song that is advocating the m.urder of w.hite f.armers in a time where f.arm.m.urders are a reality.
Zille instituted a private court action to defend her dignity, against a little tsotsi who went around saying she is sleeping with her entire male cabinet.
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I suppose your desperate attempts at defending the indenfensible and use complete different cases to try validated your arguments, cause you to miss the point that I was ONLY correcting oldlady in also her attempts at trying to justify this behaviuor of jessica by saying 'wh!tes' generally get with it, so I cited the Afri-forum and the Helen Zille case where both parties felt aggrieved by the behaviour of Malema which is considered by most to be racist/derogatory. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Makhosini0408
cornelius
@ somaartakeit.
W.hite people geenerally do not throw their toys out of the cot, tear their hair out, and carry on as if the world has ended when they are called derogatory names, because we do not suffer from a victim mentality.
From your noble statement Sir, can we deduce that, w.hites suffer from years of indocrination intoxication, since (1948). They are mos superior beings and why can they suffer from victim mentality?
somaartakeit
@KeRataBasadi
Just also out of curiosity, did the "Rude African monkeys" sexually harrass her aswell ?
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Dude please explain to me, cause now it gets really confusing, just how is it possible to sexually harass a porn model?
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Yah please explain!!! Im also confused!!! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Tabza325is
@oldlady2, one thing you wont understand is someone just hating you just for the colour of your skin, the KFR word was used as a r@cial h@tred word something you called us out of h@te, until you understand this you can look into most words we use to call white people by Leburu, Ngamla, Lekgoa, M'lungu non of them are out of hatred compared to KFR... Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@oldlady2
Somaartakeit, you are more intelligent than this. Afriforum's problem was never with the word bo.er, it was with the calling for ki.lling the bo.er,
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You said 'wh!te ppl don't make a fuss when racial derogatories are thrown at them' and I used Afri forum to show you that you are not entirely truthful in your comment, and it is this insincerity on the part of majority wh!tes like you, when one of your own commits transgression (as in this case) which makes me concl you have no emotional intelligence, or humility to quite understand the severity of the k word to majority black SAns who are still deeply scared by apartheid, but then change on my account, bottom line the anc now doesn't have to campaign cause they've bagged themselves many votes to the despair of the DA which is aiming to capture black voters, so all is fair in love and war mos.
ugh
can we please stop saying "w.hites do this", "b.lacks do that", "i.ndians think this"...?
no matter how angry you are at people who show their racism, you can never label a whole group of people as having the same characteristics.
@ somaartakeit
@KeRataBasadi
Just also out of curiosity, did the "Rude African monkeys" sexually harrass her aswell ?
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Dude please explain to me, cause now it gets really confusing, just how is it possible to sexually harass a porn model?
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I'm confused too, she shows off her assets to the world, surely when men see her they do not want to know how well she's clued up on fracture mechanics but rather her skills in the art of felacio. That does not excuse sexual harassment though, but I have my doubts about what the brother did to warrant such abuse. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MGEEZ
oldlady2
Mgeez, I thought I explained it very clearly. Jessica showed her raci.st side. Then on Friday, many black blogger responded with equal racis.t reactions. Then a black blogger commented on why this word hurts and infuriates black people so much. Had she not acted so openly racis.t, I would not have had the opportunity to read responses from black people, and I would not know why the word hurts them so much. Clear now.
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Whist it is your constitutional right to have a freedom of speech; I think you would have been profound had you remained quite on this matter!!!! Report Abuse
How d.umb must you be to not realize that using certain words on a public f0rum where you are well known might be detrim3ntal to your career and future life in general in this country.
This girl has no future in this country. No company will want to be associated with her.
This girl should of also realized that she worked in a industry which pr3ys on the t3sticles of men, and therefore any form of s3xual pr0vocation towards her is actually proving that she does her job quite well...............why did she complain in the first place? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
tumzangwana
just save your "apologies" asseblief. no one is interested in them. lefoko ga le boe go boa monwana nnana. o buile o buile. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
candilious
Pointman
On the bright side - at least most of us are in the middle ground which is good. Kul! Roberts got the same treatment for her rac!st take on "coloreds".
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candilious its just not good for our society .... and Im glad to see people that have done this stuff come undone.... Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Decibels
yeah..and I bet some of your best are friends are black you salem witch. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
SIMSWOP
I H.ATE READING ONE SAME OLD STORY WEEK IN WEEK OUT Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
oldlady2
Tabza325is, I agree with what you say, and that is what the blogger on Friday taught me. That the word was used in ha.te against black people, and that's why they now ha.te it so much. Mgeez, I don't get your response. As a young person, born into all the technolegy you have today,and born into fre.edom of speech, you have no idea what it means to someone my age to actually be interacting openly with someone who can explain me things I was never allowed to know.
Somaartakeit, once again, Afriforum did not make a fuss about a RACIAL derogatory term. It was the calling to K.ill. Be it K.ill the b.oer, k.ill the whi.te person, k.ill the oppressors, k.ill the whatever. If you cannot understand that, you would never be able to see the difference. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
I don't know why does it need so much pressure and withdrawal of the sponsors in order for the majority defending this racist girl to see that it is unacceptable to use k word as a direct result of racist history,
I was really hurt that, some defending this, say that ja but there is a farm murders there is r@pe etc and yet jessica is not a murder or r@pe victim, to me this defense translate to that, its okay to be a racist cause there violent crime is out of control, black folk can you see the predicament the anc has landed all of us in? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
NevusAuvius
Racist or not hai maan she knows how to pose. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MommaC
oldlady2
Its more than just the context that word was used in.
The use of derogatory racial names is to make the race appear 'inhuman' or some kind of sub species. Murdering your neighbour is a difficult thing to do, exterminating a 'cockroach' is easier. That is why the first step in any genocide is to separate humans by using names that separate them from being seen as human. Its not purely a racial issue (think Gypseys, Jews, Rwanda etc) but it is easier to create a 'them vs us' mentality if there are distinguishing characteristics to begin with Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
oldlady2
Tabza325is, I agree with what you say, and that is what the blogger on Friday taught me. That the word was used in ha.te against black people, and that's why they now ha.te it so much. Mgeez, I don't get your response. As a young person, born into all the technolegy you have today,and born into fre.edom of speech, you have no idea what it means to someone my age to actually be interacting openly with someone who can explain me things I was never allowed to know.
Somaartakeit, once again, Afriforum did not make a fuss about a RACIAL derogatory term. It was the calling to K.ill. Be it K.ill the b.oer, k.ill the whi.te person, k.ill the oppressors, k.ill the whatever. If you cannot understand that, you would never be able to see the difference.
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It is still debatable whether "sh00t the bo3r" is h4te speech because the ANC is currently challenging this notion. But as things stands, we have all accepted that the K word is h4te speech. There is no justification for using it. Therefore dont expect any court to defend you if you get caught. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
DeCock01
Fvck this racist b!tch!! Sexual harassment is no excuse for throwing racial remarks...You fvcken pose half naked on a mens magazine...obviously men are attracted to you....and they will throw sexual remarks to you...you just made it clear that you dont want black people to throw sexual remarks to you...that makes you a fvcked up racist b!tch...go to hell... Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
oldlady2
Somaartakeit, I'd lov.e to kn.ow wh.ere, on this bl.og, he.re, tod.ay, you are read.ing any def.ence to w.hat this girl did? Plea.se enlig.hten me. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MommaC
candilious
Hey there doll.
I see they are intent on milking this for every drop. You guys with an 'oversupply' situation in the Cape didn't even get an apology - maybe Jessica should apply for a governmental spokesman job :) Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
oldlady2
MommaC, thank you, but none of you seem to be getting me today. I never understood where the ha.te of the word comes from. A black blogger on Friday taught me where it comes from. I appreaciate the lesson. What's so wrong in that.
The-Rothschild, go read our constitution. It clearly states advocating violence against anyone is h.ate speech, and if calling for k.illing is not calling for violence anymore in SA, then I'm very glad I won't be aroun much longer. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Morning DeCock :) so much anger on a Monday morning because of a stup!d bimbo? I would h4te to see how u would behave if you caught your lady with another man on Monday morning :) Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MommaC
oldlady2
Nothing wrong with it dear. Sommar is just itching for a fight again or she just doesn't like us old dogs to learn new tricks :) Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@DeCock01
You every woman/girl the world over has had experience of being sexually harassed at some point or another, some even younger than jessica, but they did they respond by being racist?
Jessica was in a place where she had power over alleged sexual harasser, cause she should have reported him to his manager, not going on twitter and unleash her racist nature.
DeCock01
Fvck this racist b!tch!! Sexual harassment is no excuse for throwing racial remarks...You fvcken pose half naked on a mens magazine
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fotsek wena you are attracted to her thina we swallow saliva for her. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
DeCock01
You pose half naked in a mens magazine and expect us men not to make sexual gestures to you....this thing must pay man!! I h@te these racist p!gs!! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@MommaC
oldlady2
Nothing wrong with it dear. Sommar is just itching for a fight again or she just doesn't like us old dogs to learn new tricks :)
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I often wonder why you didn't go to your normal blog with your friends majority of whom defending racist jessica instead you come to SOwetan and pretend to be all that? Why wld I want a fight with you or oldlady? just what is so special about the 2 of you? please don't be so vain, this abt jessica making derogatory remarks which I like most offended by it object to, now you want my attention why? didnt' you husband give you some attention over the week-end? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
SteveBiko
shame P.W Botha must be proud of you girl. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@DeCock01
You pose half naked in a mens magazine and expect us men not to make sexual gestures to you....this thing must pay man!! I h@te these racist p!gs!!
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and what is worse men old enough to be her grandpa used her images in the magazine to masturbate, hence I said, how is it possible to sexually harass a porn star? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@SteveBiko
shame P.W Botha must be proud of you girl.
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LoL the ones most proud and feeling vindicated are the anc, cause warned us that they will rule till jesus christ comes, they must have been counting on the jessicas to unleash their racist selves. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
oldlady2
NevusAvius, and calling a woman a bi.tch is not se.xist? Now please explain me how se.xism is any better than ra.cism, and how it makes you any better than her? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
OPTIMIST
You are Racist Leandra there is nothing that can take that away from you, it is part of you, it is in your nature. Your mother must be very proud of you. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
oldlady2
MommaC, thank you, but none of you seem to be getting me today. I never understood where the ha.te of the word comes from. A black blogger on Friday taught me where it comes from. I appreaciate the lesson. What's so wrong in that.
The-Rothschild, go read our constitution. It clearly states advocating violence against anyone is h.ate speech, and if calling for k.illing is not calling for violence anymore in SA, then I'm very glad I won't be aroun much longer.
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Our constitution says that yes................but "shoot the bo3r" has liberation status which could help the ANC prove that the song is not h4te speech, particularly in a society where the majority would vote in favour of such a notion. But the "K" word, like it or not, is unacceptable, unconstitutional and illegal.
My advise to you, forget about ever using the K word or defending it, take your black brothers & sisters hands, kiss them and say sorry for the disgusting behavior of this cum bucket model! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MommaC
somaartakeit
What is this new thing where every thought seems to come out of your panties?
Old Lady was confused about why you are attacking her and I gave my opinion. What the hell does that have to do with my husband?
I came to Sowetan a long time ago. Even before the Times comments section (its not a 'blog') became a joke. It is also amusing that you found comments defending this on the Times as they didn't open the story for comment. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
BaleliM
The fact that you made a statement of it means it is your nature. what you did not expect was an uproar of your comment.
People must just learn to think before they say anything. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
oldlady2
Somaartakeit, once again, please explain me where I, MommaC, or anyone else here today defended this girl's words. You're staring yourself so blind against the pigments of your imagination that you simply cannot read properly today. No husband dear. Long buried. Only you. Report Abuse
What is this new thing where every thought seems to come out of your panties?
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whose panties your panties I suppose? hehee you perve girl you, I shld take you to court for sexually harassing me when I am not even betting for same team, shame on you, lol
@oldlady2 to suggest that black ppl shouldn't be offended or rather like wh!te ppl should shrugg this off is an attempt to defend it, and now please expl where did I say MC defends jessica more than I said in other news outlets since this broke out MAJORITY white online bloggers are defending this jessica racist issue, or are you going to deny that as well or suggest that we shrugg it off? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@KeRataBasadi
She was born this way.
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LoL therefore the anc shall rule till jesus christ comes back... they must have known, lol Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
No matter how much I was pro.voked, I do ackno.wledge that it was an inapp.ropriate rea.ction to the incident.
Leandra said she had decided to get profes.sional coa.ching to help her deal with ins.tances of s.e.x.ual haras.sment.
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What a reaction.............. Ra.cial profanities for se.x.u.al harra.sment........... You could have called him a pest not a k...........
Good to see that you family has taken empowerment by a notch, you even trai.n your pe.ts to be pe.trol atte.ndants (SMH*
Leandra you lost big time, not only your ti.tle but your intergrity as well ............... Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
HappyEver
South Africa,Leandra is sorry, any one can do mistake, just we can not withdraw words, but fingers. This is a lesson for her and other, Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
oldlady2
The-Rothschild, I knew the K word is unacceptable, unconstitunional and illegal. I only appreaciate that I now know WHY it hurt black people so much. As for the rest, we shall wait and see if the past is more important than the present or the future. I believe the outcome will be that the song may be used in celebrations of historical events etc, but not in modern day activism, but we'll wait and see. I won't apologise for the behaviour of this girl. Her mistake, her apology. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
DeCock01
somaartakeit
what angers me the most is that she even took time to post this garbage on twitter...she has quite a nerve...she could have at least while typing her racist garbage came to her senses and thought....ohhh....this is going to get me into trouble...but oh no...she has the outmost disrespect of SAns that she deemed it necessary to pollute our country with her racist beliefs...she has quite a nerve...
In her initial tweet she said, “well took on an arro.gant and disre.spectful ...”. It makes no mention of se.x.ual hara.ssment or a guy swinging his hips in a se.xual manner and making funny sounds as she claimed later so I have serious reservations about the “apology”. From her words I get an impression she got into an argu.ment with the said gentleman and was offended by his arrog.ance. Clearly she invented the sex.ual harassment later to justify her actions; she comes across as someone who thinks bl.acks must know their place as they are subs.ervient to whi.tes. This is corroborated by another tweet where she referred to another “che.eky” petrol attendant whom she labelled as a mo.nkey, one clearly sees a pattern of rac.ially ab.usive la.nguage and in both instances she advocates the use of vio.lence against the “offen.ders”.
So instead of a genuine apol.ogy she seeks solace in another ra.cist stereotype; bl.ack men are rap.ists. That’s three separate occasions where she proves she is a ra.cist yet she wants us to believe she is innocent?
The iro.ny of it all is this is a woman who takes pictures of a se.x.ually provo.cative nature for a living and wants us to believe she is a naive little girl? Men je.rk-off to your pictures darling; surely se.xual harassment is an occupational hazard as it is your duty to make men ri.se to the occasion?
She deserves to be str.ipped of everything, I would feel sorry for her had her apology been genuine but she thinks we are idi.ots. If she feels hard done by then she must get CCTV footage from the Spar so we can see this guy swinging his hips suggestively but like I said her version of events is a bit shaky. .
@swona
you not alone most SAcans are just like you! pity u lost sponsorship!
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She used a wrong medeium to express herslef and got caught..........
Irony is that she was born 2 years after Mandela was released from prison........ so she is more of "democracy baby"........... her action are a reflection of what she was taught Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@HappyEver
South Africa,Leandra is sorry, any one can do mistake, just we can not withdraw words, but fingers. This is a lesson for her and other,
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hey hallo!!! this is not a mistake its deliberate act to hurt or humiliate and it got desired results, fortunately her sponsors will tolerate this behaviour, jessica wldnt' have been sorry if the sponsors didn't withdraw sponsorship, in the same way that she blogged the other time about 'African monkeys' refering to black petrol attendants was that a mistake as well? if you ask me this girl is prone to making racist mistakes everytime things dont' go her way... Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
DeCock01
somaartakeit
what angers me the most is that she even took time to post this garbage on twitter...she has quite a nerve...she could have at least while typing her racist garbage came to her senses and thought....ohhh....this is going to get me into trouble...but oh no...she has the outmost disrespect of SAns that she deemed it necessary to pollute our country with her racist beliefs...she has quite a nerve...
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Its living proof that blonde's are as d.umb as the "urban legend" about blondes in general. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
DeCock01
Racism starts when we see people by the colour of their skins...let us see each other as human beings...or corpses if we have to...but not colour...we will go a long way as a united front...
once you say "I will kick his wh!te face...or I will kick his black @ss....you are walking a tight line my friends...lets just punch each other...put colour aside...it has no bearing...i dont care if you back or wh!te....just kick his face and get on with it...I sincerely despise racial stereotypes...
Racit k@k ..........She is so stupid like nothing on earth . Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
oldlady2
Somaartakeit, and where did I suggest that black people should not be offended? You're reading between the lines today friend, and you're reading wrong. How on God's loving earth, can I, as a white person, who never lived a black person's life for one single day, tell them how to feel or react concerning their past? I only read this blog. And then some Afrikaans newspapers over the weekend, all condeming her words. Please, if you have information of people condoning her words, provide me with the information of where to go read it. Remember, my question to you was where did anyone, me included, on this blog, here, today, defend her words? If you want to attach the people defending her, here's my suggestion, go to that forum and attack the cuplrits, not the ones on this blog who just happen to be wh.ite. It makes you no better than her. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
HappyEver
@Somaartakeit
Somaar, wena ga idiri mistakes? We all do mistakes maan, who are we to judge her South Africa,Sommar Please have a place in your heart to forgive her, my love. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MGEEZ
@MommaC
oldlady2
Believe you me she knew what you explained above already!!!!! Nobody in this forum today misunderstood her at all, instead we are seeing through her and what her intentions are.
Have you met a White South African that acknowledges that they were the benficiaries of Apartheid (if you did that was one in million), how about a one who would acknowedges that it was an evil system, yet despite having such knowledge they still went ahead and voted for the NATS (that would be one in 2 Million). Instead of trying to understand why black people are offended by the word; why don't you (oldlady) try to understand your hypocritical behavior first!!! Jessica was raised like that and the only difference between her and many south africans like old lady is that she has come out in the open and because of that, she stands a good chance to be genuinely rehabilitated, the rest are racist to the core and you will only see that when the going gets tough. Old lady; stop patronising us; I am not deceived by you and your likes, As I said your silence in this regard would have been profound and a demonstration of intellect on your part!!! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MOTHUBANNYO
Morning All
Blame her parents cos that's how she was raised, Period Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@Dzel
"If she feels hard done by then she must get CCTV footage from the Spar so we can see this guy swinging his hips suggestively but ...." why did she not report this man to the management of Spar if she felt so offended by his behaviour or did she think its acceptable for staff at any business to conduct themselves in the way she said he did? But then as you say, her job is to make men horny, so what's the problem now that they are responding accordingly?
I have said here the other day, these women posing naked and doing stuff like that, make it very hard for feminists such as myself to argue favourable on sexual harassment cases such as this one. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
HappyEver
MOTHUBANNYO
Morning All
Blame her parents cos that's how she was raised, Period
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If all people can can see it that way, South Africa will be a better place. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@oldlady2
Somaartakeit, and where did I suggest that black people should not be offended?
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what did you mean when you in your original comment you said, wh!te ppl don't get offended when they are called names? when in fact they do get offended, its only human.
@Happyever, if she were sincere in her apology, I forgave and I now even like De Klerk cause his apology about apartheid was sincere and he has since been working alongside SAn leaders for a better SA for all. But Jessica here is taking us for fools cause hers is as trend, its not the first she publicly make derogatory. ke tla mtswarelela anyele jessica wateng, lol Report Abuse
she tweeted, she did it, she has paid for it..... and looks like she has learned from it.......
Her parents may well have done a good job raising her... she did it for her own unintelligent reasons ... people must take responsability for their own stuff..... Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
DeCock01
The-Rothschilds
apologize for the behaviour of this girl, please bare in mind, not everyone is like her man. I know you are deeply hurt from her comments.
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I know man...but we sincerely need to move on from such things...its just wrong...me and you always fight here but never have we threw racial innuendos to each other...we can swear and cuss at each other but race has nothing to do with it...
You do know that I'm white, ne?
How would she know if nobody told her? We had a system that kept us all completely separate from each other.
Just as you have absolutely no idea what it was like to be a white South African during that time, so too do very few white people have any idea of what it was like to be a black South African during that time. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
HappyEver
@Somaar
Kikiki. o gatvol ka yena kikikiki Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@HappyEver no my dear aki gatvol I just want her to take responsibility and those defending her to stop that, cause it only escalate the anger of those feeling aggrieved by jessica's tweet, for the big part with time I have no doubt go re retla mtswarelela like h3ll like we did with our grootb@@s de Klerk, lol Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@oldlady2
MommaC, thank you, but none of you seem to be getting me today
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I hope the flogging will stop as the horse is actually dead Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
DeCock01
The-Rothschilds
apologize for the behaviour of this girl, please bare in mind, not everyone is like her man. I know you are deeply hurt from her comments.
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I know man...but we sincerely need to move on from such things...its just wrong...me and you always fight here but never have we threw racial innuendos to each other...we can swear and cuss at each other but race has nothing to do with it...
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Ive never cursed you man :)
Debate is healthy..........................there is not right or wrong, we have to debate to find a middle ground...............that is the foundation of democracy! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
oldlady2
Mgeez, shame, you really don't remember what you read in the past, do you? I was a bene.ficiary of Apar.theid, said so many times. Told JJQ just the other day that it's her turn now, and rig.htly so, she should enjoy it. It was more that just an ev.il sy.stem, and yes, the maj.ority of wh.ite.s went ah.ead and vot.ed for this ev.il system, the sa.me as the maj.ority toda.y is vo.ting for an ev.il sys.tem. Somed.ay their eyes will op.en too, and they'll also reali.se that politic.ians are only about thems.elves, no one else. But you make a mist.ake on the kno.wledge part. TV started in SA only in 1975. No cell phones. No soc.ial med.ia. Children were se.en and not he.ard. Wh.ite child.ren dar.ed not have put their nos.es into any kin.ds of polit.ics. Mgeez, here's a thought for yo.ur day. We are only a hand.ful of whi.te people regu.larly rea.ding and resp.onding on this blog. We read racis.t comments like pi.nk pi.gs etc all the time, yet we st.ick around. Why do you think that is? Beca.use here we get the opp.ortunity to learn more abo.ut our black broth.ers and sist.ers to unders.tand where they are coming from, I've lea.rnt many lessons here. I initially agr.eed with Zille on her educat.ional ref.ugees statement until JJQ exp.lained me about blac.ks having hom.es with all their ext.ended family, and I unde.rstood why the word ref.ugee was used inco.rrectly. So please, now you also stop your raci.st tenda.ncies to think that every white person thinks and does the same. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@MommaC
MGEEZ
You do know that I'm white, ne?
How would she know if nobody told her? We had a system that kept us all completely separate from each other.
Just as you have absolutely no idea what it was like to be a white South African during that time, so too do very few white people have any idea of what it was like to be a black South African during that time.
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There you go again taking us (black folks) for fools, we worked for you in your homes we know how you guys swung then and we know how you swing now, the only ones not understanding us is you guys (wh!te folk) you are not even making an attempt to understand us, then how cld you guys (majority of you) possibly understand what is offensive and what is a boundary iro what can be said/done to us?
And this failure to intergrate and have emotional intelligence is the reason the anc is confident that they will rule SA till Jesus Christ comes back, cause they know that's how it has been in other african states that you guys failed to intergrate and they are confident that you will fail here too, hence 'ruling till christ comes back'
Do you guys actually realise how much votes this 'k' word has cost the DA so far...? so don't be surprised in the up coming elections when the anc sails thru again. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
mambaaai
MOTHUBANNYO
she tweeted, she did it, she has paid for it..... and looks like she has learned from it.......
Her parents may well have done a good job raising her... she did it for her own unintelligent reasons ... people must take responsability for their own stuff.....
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Perhaps her parents should of lobbied her to go to varsity to gain some real intelligence rather than believing that by her using her p.ussy as a commodity would teach her the common sense of never using the K word ever or being openly racist in SA would be of any benefit to her. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@oldlady2
MommaC, thank you, but none of you seem to be getting me today
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I get you.......
I hope the flogging will stop as the horse is actually dead
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Sorry doll this horse is not dead until the fat lady sings....lol seriously this is one of the many issues we must not allow ourselves to sweep it under the carpet, in the same way that most of us stood up for what's right against malema, this my friends is the only way we can help the jessicas to rehabilitate themselves. We must suppress a debate cause it makes some uncomfortable, we must face our fears and deal with them. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
@HappyEver
South Africa,Leandra is sorry, any one can do mistake, just we can not withdraw words, but fingers. This is a lesson for her and other,
She is sorry she got caught; her apology is an exercise is damage control rather than a genuine heart-felt apology.
Like I said she tweeted rac.ist comment on two separate occasions involving two separate individuals and in both cases she was rac.ially abu.sive and advocated vio.lence. She then goes on to li.e about what actually happened to provoke her adding salt to injury by using a rac.ist stere.otype to create an impression she was a victim and to justify her actions.
Tell me again why should I accept her apology as a bla.ck man whom she has indirectly called the k-word, a rap.ist and someone who must be spoken to like a gar.den boy failure of which must be put in his place using vio.lence?
Do you know how many men are physically abused by their wh.ite employers especially far.mers, is this the South Africa we should espouse to? It is a string of ra.cist attitudes towards bl.ack people that make me believe she is a hardened rac.ist, not someone who is being punished for one isolated incid.ent involving by ra.ge.
last para shld read we must NOT suppress debate cause others are uncomfortable about it, we must make it so uncomfortable for the racists that they think a million times before doing stuff like that. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
RobinH
Stup id stu pid wo man. I'm thrilled that her spo nsors and maga zine are reje cting her. Hopefully it will pene trate that th ick sku ll that such thi nking is compl etely unac ceptable. It was no mistake. The woman used disgus ting language that exposed her subco nscious res ponses. One remark like this from some dum b bim bo does more harm to race relations in our country than a thousand Malemas. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
HappyEver
@Somaar:
I understand, put my point is she said it, it was wrong, and now she is sorry and seeking help to deal with the circumstance, cant we accept her apology South Africa and move on, Somaar i reads comments every day mo sowetan our own African bloggers are making racial statements among themselves even to white fellows, but no one says any thing about it, even sowetan seems to enjoy it because it doesnt bother to block those who are making such comments. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MommaC
somaartakeit
I once worked for an Indian guy. That doesn't make me an expert on Indians. I also worked for a Greek. I wouldn't call myself an expert on them either.
Unless you think you are white, you don't know what being white is. I don't think I'm black so I am fully aware that I will never really know what it is like to be black. I can work, socialise, live with or ignore black people but I can NEVER experience what it is like to be in their skin.
A white bimbo with the brains of a retarded tick can hardly be considered as a political milestone Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Jessica Leandra
'Ur sincere remorse' my foot ,that was from ur heart's depth.
Somaartakeit, what I meant when I said that wh.ite people don't get easily offended when they're cal.led names, is exactly that. We don't. Maybe because for centuries we were not at the receiving end of raci.sm. Maybe because apartheid didn't allow for us to be called names. Maybe because for centuries we were never opp.ressed. Maybe because we learn from small "stick and stones can break my bones..", Maybe for a hundred different reasons, but we just don't. So, I was not trying to suggest that black people should also be like that. I was simply saying that in my "culture", we don't, which makes it difficult to understand why other "cultures" (through lack of a better word) do. This blogger on Friday explained me very clearly where the ha.te of this word by black people come from, and I was appreaciating now having that knowledge. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@HappyEver it is really noble of you to have this reconcilliatory spirit, but please don't try to forgive her on behalf of many of those offended by her tweet, give them space and time to forgive her in their own terms/time cause now forgiving on behalf of others like it was done in the TRC has not gotten us anywhere instead the transgressors have become so arrogant and even prescribing what should/not be upsetting for us. So girl you are threading on dangerous ground but ke tla go tswarelela wa ku tlwa mos? lol Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Wozanami
somaar, i do believe you have let h.ate take you over.
Good luck with that.
I don't think she is sorry. Her subsequent tweets seem to suggest that she cannot understand that she did anything wrong. That is possibly the saddest part of all of this Report Abuse
@oldlady2
Somaartakeit, what I meant when I said that wh.ite people don't get easily offended when they're cal.led names, is exactly that. We don't.
----------------------------------------------why do you insist on being untruthful? oldlady2 if you really know what's best you'd take advice of the other blogger and refrain from further escalating hard feelings on those offended by use of this word, if ppl chose to be angry quickly/slowly or not be offended at all its their decision/choice, let them!
Bottom line usage of word k is outlawed and am glad that jessica has been taken to court for using it now its up to the courts to decide on her guilt or not. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
RobinH
Stup id stu pid wo man. I'm thrilled that her spo nsors and maga zine are reje cting her. Hopefully it will pene trate that th ick sku ll that such thi nking is compl etely unac ceptable. It was no mistake. The woman used disgus ting language that exposed her subco nscious res ponses. One remark like this from some dum b bim bo does more harm to race relations in our country than a thousand Malemas.
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The difference is, is that this girl is of no real threat to SA. Malema is his current racist form is a threat to SA..........which is why im glad the ANC made the right decision.
ngwana wa noga ke ---------nogana her apology won’t change anything this is exactly a white people attitude towards black people i would have kicked the thing between her legs mooer tshek Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
oldlady2
Sommartakeit, and there you go gen.eralising too. I grew up on an existen.ce farm.. No elect.ricity. No run.ning wat.er, except to run to go fetch it. Hou.se built from sooie, by han.d. A longd.rop as a toil.et, got my first p.air of sho.es in STD 9,and certa.inly no black wor.kers. Never even had the opportunity to play with blac.k chil.dren as a child. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Wozanami
MommaC
I don't think this model is sorry either.
You don't make this kind of "accident" twice. In fact, unless you ARE racist, you would never even consider using that word.
IMO this focus on one racist is daft. Let he go and fade into obscurity where she belongs.
Well Jess take a long vacation to Dutchland or where ever your ancestors originate from? My Advice: This is Africa and have your realized it belongs to Black People... Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
HappyEver
THE- ROTHSCHILDS
Leandra versus Julias, loud and clear Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
oldlady2
Somaartakeit, we don't get ea.sily h.urt by rac.ist words, and I'll stand by that till the day I d.ie. As I do not know how a black person feels and reacts, so you do not understand how a white peson feels and reacts. Hope you've read the rest of what i've had to say too, because today you really seem to be just reading what you want to read. Agree with you though that I'm glad the courts will deal with her stup.idity and rac.ism from here onwards. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Mdovu
Well Jess take a long vacation to Dutchland or where ever your ancestors originate from? My Advice: This is Africa and have your realized it belongs to Black People...
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People in Holland do not behave the way this girl has, they would reject her there as well.
This blogger on Friday explained me very clearly where the ha.te of this word by black people come from, and I was appreaciating now having that knowledge.
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@oldlady2
Sommartakeit, and there you go gen.eralising too. I grew up on an existen.ce farm.. No elect.ricity. No run.ning wat.er, except to run to go fetch it. Hou.se built from sooie, by han.d. A longd.rop as a toil.et, got my first p.air of sho.es in STD 9,and certa.inly no black wor.kers. Never even had the opportunity to play with blac.k chil.dren as a child.
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You shld write a book you have such a wild imagination, cause in SA there is NOT one single wh!te house hold that didnt' have a black servant, cause it was cheap and exploitable to the preditory employers, lets not even get there cause right now your story is unimportant what is of imporance is that jessica annoyed most ppl in SA as a direct result of her bad upbringing, the sooner the courts decide on her guilt the better cause then all those defending it will see the era of their ways, and hopefully that will deter them from doign same to their children, cause they will also end up like Jessica. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
oldlady2
Somaartakeit, and if other bloggers want to react like you, and only read what they want to read, so be it too. You certainly won't intimidate me into expressing my opinions. I'll keep on saying I now appreaciate knowing why the word hurts black people so much. And I'll keep on saying it right here. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Ann
I am not buying the apparent apology of yours. Come on now, you have posed half-naked on FHM that on itself classifies you as a sex object. Like it or not, sex object is what society has labeled females of your profession. With that said, sexual remarks and sounds are not a new thing to you. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
LBS
@ALL trying to take the moral high ground - you are failing dismally!!
We got rid of one racist bigot in motormouth malema and now Jessica Leandra has also sunk herself, career and reputation because of stupidity/arrogance and ignorance.
Serves her right - we don't need her type here anymore than we did malema!!
For those of you who think you 'know' how the whole White race thinks - you don't!
For those who think it's alright to pass sexual innuendo about this woman - it's NOT!
For those of you who think you're ENTITLED to pass racist remarks about the whole White race - you're NOT.
By passing uncalled-for/unsubstantiated comments here you are no better than the 2 previously mentioned idiots and their utterances.
The ONLY thing you show is that you are clearly 'balanced' with a chip on each shoulder!
@Mdovu
Well Jess take a long vacation to Dutchland or where ever your ancestors originate from? My Advice: This is Africa and have your realized it belongs to Black People...
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Well Mdovu did you know that the Nethe rlands is in fact the MOST liberal country in Eu rope which has no tole rance for the racists like Jessica? and you shld also know that Jessica Leandre is no Dutch desce ndant, her last name is more Portuguese so I know that most black ppl are convinced that wh!tes perpe tuating racism are Afrik aners of Du tch descent which is nto true, cause wh!tes who came to/stayed and stayed in SA during apar theid, were ONLY there for the privilege apar theid affor ded them, the parents of Jessica fit in that category, these have not come to terms with the fact that apart heid is no more. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
oldlady2
Somaartakeit, MY household didn't. Believe it or not, it's the truth. Go read a few books about where I grew up. Circles in a Forest will explain it very nicely to you. Not ONE SINGLE white household there ever had a black servant. My grandfather chopped wood with an axe to make a living. Defnitely no money to pay any servant of any colour. Meat only once a week. You didn't grow up in the depression years, I take. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MommaC
The-Rothschilds
Holland is changing fast though. There is a lot of intolerance between the Muslims and the locals at the moment so I'm not too sure that it is going to stay as liberal as it has been Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
RobinH
Rothschilds. I was merely using a form of expression. Obviously a dumbcluck like this is a nothing. However, she created quite a media storm because she is the pinu[p on half the male walls in the country, and as we know, a lot of men are governed by something other than their brains. So she creates an impression that "white people" think the way she does. Therein lies the harm. Surely you can see this. And I mean harm to right-minded SAns who do NOT accept racism. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Makhosini0408
“I h@te racial discrimination most intensely and all its manifestations. I have fought all my life; I fight now, and will do so until the end of my days. Even although I now happen to be tried by one, whose opinion I hold in high esteem, I detest most violently the set-up that surrounds me here. It makes me feel that I am a Bl@ck man in a W.hite man's court. This should not be I should feel perfectly at ease and at home with the assurance that I am being tried by a fellow South African, who does not regard me as an inferior, entitled to a special type of justice.” Nelson Mandela.
@oldlady2
Somaartakeit, "MY household didn't. Believe it or not, it's the truth.." and just to recap the discussion is about Jessica and racism okay? please don't be so vain, I know you have this need to tell us abt you and your imagined family life. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
RobinH
MommaC: I agree with your opinion, that she isn't in the least sorry about her attitude, but is indeed sorry about the effect it has had on her "career" as lust queen of a million men. And indeed, her apparent inablity to grasp what the problem actually is speaks volumes. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
This situation is just so sad. Us wh!te people complain about street name changes, songs, totally pathetic issues etc yet we dont realize how lucky we are, how after a system of apartheid, the black majority have allowed us to live our colonial lifestyles (of which most are still our servants), a lifestyle that is considered royalty by European standards.
We should be l!cking black a55 for the lifestyle we have been allowed to inherit. The game is so easy in this country. We live so well here, all we have to do is play by the rules, and its seriously not difficult rules. And we get people like this like Jessica who can really screw it all up for all of us.
Is it really that difficult not to be a racist? I mean come on, for the life most of us have over here, i would rather be having a bell's with my black brother over Queen Elizabeth, who would of chased me out of her country had the same historical events happened in England.
This girl is a disgrace! Jessica, one ticket, one settler, bugger off! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MissBhakajuju
if she was really s.exually ha.rrased, she should have passed those remarks on their f.aces & let everything boil, inside Spar.
if its t.r.ue, lebona, they must learn to keep their d.i.rty r.e.marks to themselves, doesn't matter is she was walking around n.a.k.ed or what, their duty is a.s.s.ist when they're asked to.
i personally don't care what a w.h.i.te. t.r.a.s.h thinks of me, as they're not a f.a.ctor to me at all. what they s.a.y or t.h.i.n.k won't change the s.hape of my n.o.se.
@The-Rothschilds
Mdovu
Well Jess take a long vacation to Dutchland or where ever your ancestors originate from? My Advice: This is Africa and have your realized it belongs to Black People...
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People in Holland do not behave the way this girl has, they would reject her there as well.
Rothschilds is right on this one, Neatherlanders are a relaxed nation and more open minded than SA Dutchs also have a lot of mixed marriages. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
oldlady,
So you gre.w up in Kn.ysna. We had to re.ad that b.ook alb.eit the Afr.ika.ans versi.on Krin.ge in di.e B.os, Saul Barnard and his adve.ntures. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@MommaC
The-Rothschilds
Holland is changing fast though. There is a lot of intolerance between the Muslims and the locals at the moment so I'm not too sure that it is going to stay as liberal as it has been
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This is has nothing to do with racism but a religious war (silent) engulfing the world not just the Netherlands, on the other hand in teh UK nazism is at an all time high, even a certain BBC presenter Kilroy I think his last name was was fired for making what is regarded as racist and h@teful remarks he went and started out or joined a British National Party which is making waves in the UK for its racists tendencies against ethnic minorities whether they are muslim or not. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Makhosini0408
Surely, we are bigger and wiser than this "little girl", who is learning how costly it is to shoot from the hip.
Let us not allow her utterances to further allienate ourselves from each other. Let us not resort to classifying ourselves to "us and them", it is counter revolutionary comrades. Report Abuse
Tabza325is
@The-Rothschilds
Mdovu
Well Jess take a long vacation to Dutchland or where ever your ancestors originate from? My Advice: This is Africa and have your realized it belongs to Black People...
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People in Holland do not behave the way this girl has, they would reject her there as well.
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@Tabza325is' don't care she must just go back! Finish & Klaar Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MOTHUBANNYO
The-Rothschilds
mambaaai
MOTHUBANNYO
she tweeted, she did it, she has paid for it..... and looks like she has learned from it.......
Her parents may well have done a good job raising her... she did it for her own unintelligent reasons ... people must take responsability for their own stuff.....
I blame her parents because remember what you say or do in your children's presence they also will emmulate you and again I wonder what would she have said if the guy was white, indian or coloured - anyway remember a black shouldn't lust or look at a white woman according to some white racists. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MommaC
somaartakeit
Not really. The people who are of arabian decent are all lumped together in the bigotry so it becomes more racial than religion. Its all the same thing just with minor differences in titles. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
oldlady2
Somaartakeit, thank you for reminding yourself too that this is about raci.sm as YOU, once again brought up the subject of black servants in every white household. You are becoming so JJQ today.
Dzel, yes, Knysna. As to your other question (and I actually think it was you who offered this information - correct me if I'm wrong) this blogger explained how the word was used in conjuction with insults such as " jou fo.kken d.om k..., vandag mo.er ek jou dood.." (my words, can't remember his exactly) before violence and humiliation was used against them. The degrading words were mostly followed by degrading actions as well. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@somaartakeit
@MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@oldlady2
MommaC, thank you, but none of you seem to be getting me today
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I get you.......
I hope the flogging will stop as the horse is actually dead
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Sorry doll this horse is not dead until the fat lady sings....lol seriously this is one of the many issues we must not allow ourselves to sweep it under the carpet, in the same way that most of us stood up for what's right against malema, this my friends is the only way we can help the jessicas to rehabilitate themselves. We must suppress a debate cause it makes some uncomfortable, we must face our fears and deal with them.
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Sthandwa, we cant sweep racims or any kind of .......ism under the carpet. You misunderstood me.... my blog was to oldlady2's initial blog that she now has a better understanding is to why the k.. word is so degoratory and hurtful (to bl.cks) as she never understood the context of how and why it was used ........
Since out interaction (on the blog), you know I loathe any ........isms......... Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@Makhosini048 ualright? :-) anyway my view is that the jessicas broke the peace accord post T.R.C as a direct result of their arrogance and ignorance, now its up to them really to fix it, majority of us are concentrating on the economic empowe rment call, cause at hte end of the day that is the ONLY thing that matters now. naturally we are deliberating on political alternatives that will deliver us to that. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MommaC
RobinH
She genuinely doesn't seem to understand that she said anything wrong. That is just crazy. It makes you wonder just how arrogant and self absorbed she is and how small her world must be. The fact that there are thousands of followers on this twits tweets is beyond belief Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Mdovu
somaartakeit
@Mdovu
Well Jess take a long vacation to Dutchland or where ever your ancestors originate from? My Advice: This is Africa and have your realized it belongs to Black People...
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Well Mdovu did you know that the Nethe rlands is in fact the MOST liberal country in Eu rope which has no tole rance for the racists like Jessica? and you shld also know that Jessica Leandre is no Dutch desce ndant, her last name is more Portuguese so I know that most black ppl are convinced that wh!tes perpe tuating racism are Afrik aners of Du tch descent which is nto true, cause wh!tes who came to/stayed and stayed in SA during apar theid, were ONLY there for the privilege apar theid affor ded them, the parents of Jessica fit in that category, these have not come to terms with the fact that apart heid is no more.
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@somaartakeit
Read the rest of the comment & understand it???? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
Okay then MsKink.. my bad I really really misunderstood my apologies for that, toe skat:-) Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Tabza325is
@Mdovu, She can go to Australia there maybe she can rebuild her career, Europe in a way they are also trying to route out the last remaining racist behaviour, this is why in recent years FIFA and most of the soccer player have been initiating racial tolarence campaigns through out Europe especially amongst soccer fans, the last remaining colony for such racist is Australia. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
uMnuz
Who is she who is she WHO IS SHE??? FAME JUNKIES the lot of them. She knowingly used that phrase as a racist insult, and that makes her a nasty little scumbag. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Later
yah neh the power of word, imagine how 1 word can damage everything u hv worked 4, next time think twice b4 u speak neh, good luck...... Report Abuse
Eish mara that picture, my boy is jumping up and down. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Robin
Please man u guys have to teach ur children some manners,they lack so called humanity baba please. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@somaartakeit
Okay then MsKink.. my bad I really really misunderstood my apologies for that, toe skat:-)
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Sure sthandwa (*_*)
She genuinely doesn't seem to understand that she said anything wrong. That is just crazy. It makes you wonder just how arrogant and self absorbed she is and how small her world must be. The fact that there are thousands of followers on this twits tweets is beyond belief
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Please man u guys have to teach ur children some manners,they lack so called humanity baba please.
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Could you start teaching manners to those here, that so clearly lack them. TIA
Then comment on the racist outpouring of a b lack model.
'Some' seem to think her comments are 'OK' Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Manarchy
First Jessica dos santos makes racist tweet, but only for anger
Then Tshidi Thamana makes racist tweet, but only for fame
Why the amaindians and amacoloureds can't keep up??!! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Keafixa
Makgowa are foreva rehearsing this names(monkeys and kaFF!rs) during their chilling sessions.
The-Rothschilds
This situation is just so sad. Us wh!te people complain about street name changes, songs, totally pathetic issues etc yet we dont realize how lucky we are, how after a system of apartheid, the black majority have allowed us to live our colonial lifestyles (of which most are still our servants), a lifestyle that is considered royalty by European standards.
We should be l!cking black a55 for the lifestyle we have been allowed to inherit. The game is so easy in this country. We live so well here, all we have to do is play by the rules, and its seriously not difficult rules. And we get people like this like Jessica who can really screw it all up for all of us.
Is it really that difficult not to be a racist? I mean come on, for the life most of us have over here, i would rather be having a bell's with my black brother over Queen Elizabeth, who would of chased me out of her country had the same historical events happened in England.
This girl is a disgrace! Jessica, one ticket, one settler, bugger off!
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Beer is on me this weekend mate....just name the place....great stuff above... Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@Mdovu
@somaartakeit
Read the rest of the comment & understand it????
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Eish mara 4 qstn marks pho? you really, really leave me no choice but to understand you, lol Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
RobinH
LBS: Why bring me into that string. None of that relates even vaguely to anything I have said.
A whole bunch of you: RACISM IN ANY FORM IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
SKIZOBANTWANA
Though i condemn her racial tweets, but NKA MODIRA YONG Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Manarchy
A whole bunch of you: RACISM IN ANY FORM IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@SKIZOBANTWANA
Though i condemn her racial tweets, but NKA MODIRA YONG
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Your jungle fever is getting in teh way of your using your brains, what self respecting black male wld want to have such a relationship with this unrepentant baby racist? have some self respect please. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@LBS
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Robin
Please man u guys have to teach ur children some manners,they lack so called humanity baba please.
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Could you start teaching manners to those here, that so clearly lack them. TIA
Then comment on the racist outpouring of a b lack model.
'Some' seem to think her comments are 'OK'
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We play ur game LBS if u white this bloody racism thing is from u . Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
oldlady,
It probably was me then.
What I did not sha.re is in the early 2000s I was at a res.ort - Badplaas Aventura in Mpumalanga - and ended up in a con.frontation with this Afr.ika.ner boy who then proce.eded to c.all me the n-w.ord. I was with a female friend completely surro.unded by whit.es so I knew I couldn't ca.ll him to or.der without esc.alating the confron.tation into a viol.ent one so I left the immediate vicinity but as I was walking tow.ard my chal.et a gro.up of dru.nk Afrikan.ers repe.ated the ins.ults only then it was the k-w.ord.
Can you imag.ine how I f.elt, completely pow.erless to a.ct without putting myself or the lady friend in mo.rtal dang.er and there was not a single whi.te who had the dece.ncy to defu.se the situ.ation. Har.dly surp.rising given that in an earlier visit to the same re.sort with friends wh.ites would va.cate the po.ol as soon as one of us got into the hea.ted p.ool, its al.most as if we are mu.d.dying the water or som.ething.
Not long after my experience there was actually a ca.se of a bla.ck man murd.ered in a re.sort under similar circumstances as the ones I have recounted so I could have been k.ill.ed for being b.lack, it took making the right decision at the time even though I had to humble myself and walk away. These are people to whom the k-word is second nature; to them the term goes hand-in-hand with subju.gation and viol.ence. I cannot think of a ra.cial sl.ur associated with any other ra.ce that is associated with the same negative ene.rgy and vi.olence.
"Can you imag.ine how I f.elt, completely pow.erless to a.ct without putting myself or the lady friend in mo.rtal dang.er and there was not a single whi.te who had the dece.ncy to defu.se the situ.ation''
This is a bullyism tendency which prevails whenever wh!tes are in a majority, I also had an incident in Greece, but I put the security guard in question firmly in his place and embarrassed him in front of his pals he was trying to impress, in Russia if you are a black male and walking in the night (by yourself) or isolated places wh!te thugs some in the police will k!ll you that's a guarantee, hence I was outraged that FIFA gave those racists opportunity to host a sport considered to be against racism. In Russia most of the h@te crime some of which resulted in tragic situations, there is little to non convictions, the last time I was reading abt a judge who convicted these racists thugs for h@te crime has since been murdered and nothing has come of that case either, and the anc regime want to befriend these racists?
Its sad that a incident like that happened to you in Greece because i am a Greek myself and usually Greek people dont have racist tendencies, but im probably wrong. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
candilious
MommaC
candilious
Hey there doll.
I see they are intent on milking this for every drop. You guys with an 'oversupply' situation in the Cape didn't even get an apology - maybe Jessica should apply for a governmental spokesman job :)
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Katakata: Your comment makes no sense whatsoever, Though with you that is hardly new. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
BaleliM
There is an email going around on what Ken Sinclair said about b lacks on facebook and it is so s ad that we still have people like that roaming the streets.
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extract: seriously, seriously had enuf of b.lacks in this country. arrogant f.cking s.wines and i will make it my facebook status because i want them all to know. you are all f cuk all without w.hites, you would still be in your little mud huts. go on as if we owe you everything, we owe you s.hit! expect everything for nothing and have the biggest a ttitude i have ever come across. you will all fall short sooner or later.
extract: sometimes i just wanna pull out a f cuking pump action s.hot g.un and do the deed. f cuk!!
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sadly, these are the people we enteract with. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Shredder
@RobinH - A whole bunch of you: RACISM IN ANY FORM IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!
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Don't get worked up because no one is going to listen to you. As long as you know you are not one, chillax. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Shredder
Mara why do you persecute me Sowetan?
From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks vele. Why do you keep on deleting this comment mara? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
@ somaar,
A few years ago a childhood friend was stopped by a truckload full of Afrikaner boys who jumped off when they saw him, racially abused him and beat him up. This happened in Roodepoort as he was walking toward the taxi rank.
Another friend was driving home from Zeerust when he experienced car trouble just outside of Ventersdorp and had to call for a tow truck. While waiting a bakkie drove past and did a u-turn when they saw him, they drove back in the direction of Ventersdorp. Lucky for him a police van drove past soon thereafter, they flagged the van down and begged the police officers to stay with them until the two truck which they did the lady he was with resorted to flirting with one of the police officers out of desperation.
Now that is the South African experience and you will note I am telling stories of acquaintances, just imagine what someone who lives in Ventersdorp experiences in their life time. Can you imagine what would happen if we started fighting back?
Agreed in this case and juju and others society in general understands that that kind of stuff does not help society...or add any value.... and even if such a comment is aimed at an individual. It upsets a whole lot of other individuals who happen to have the same tribe or race , and embarreses a whole bunch of people from the same tribe or race. and negatively affects whole bunches of people who werent even vaguely involved.... its a crime against society....
Society seems realise this even if its not conciously so as a natural process the perpatr@tors lose out in time.
simple; racism is just not something that helps you in life and this girl and juju stand as examples....and collective examples such as our own history and many many other examples around the world
Phew! Russia is another "alien place".......... When Matthew Booth was playing for Russia the "Russian Skinheads" spit on his wif.e's face (in public nogal) ........... and there has been a lot of cases with regards to blac.k players in Russia.........
That is one place I would never visit if I were to be paid to so or my life depended on it, would rather have my head chopped off.......... Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
LBS
RobinH
LBS - Understood. Somehow it seemed as though you were including me in the sicko racist "group".
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Nope, I know your stance. Pleased we cleared the air.
There are racists everywhere but I believe it to be a chosen attitude - 'some' just won't acknowledge that they are racist as much as those that they are pointing fingers at, if not more so.
Such is life ..... Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Tasto
Its not your langauge but your mother tongue !! Report Abuse
I heard about the facebook rant on friday (not sure if it even existed)
I scares the sh!t out of me that there is some f*&ked up hooligan who want to "pump some action" and there might also be others who think like him......... Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
RobinH
Shredder. I appreciate your comment, but to me this message is my "gospel" and I believe that we Suth Africans need to take a vocal and practical stance to demonstrate it. I have striven all my life to avoid racism in my domestic and professional life, so believe that I live an example of what I believe. BUT not many people get to see my very private private life. So the other avenue one MUST use, is to promulgate the message publicly whenever and wherever one can. That I fully intend to do.
...then they give the WC to Russia?!?
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Cause black ppl are taking this BS when they should be asserting themselves, I mean this sport is dominated by black players, eg France's entire national team is mostly black but I expect there will be protests prior to the event, I raised this issues with one of the organisations who claim to fight against racismin Europe, but we shall see what they are doing about it,
@MsKink.. btw the rest of former soviet europe is full of racist thugs, hence I have issues with these ppl coming to SA especially when they have such poor race relations in their own countries, cause they come here to infiltrate and later be used as assassins against our leaders like that guy who k!lled Hani, these anc fools have gold fish memory span, that is why that guy in the WC who is a fugitive from Serbia is allowed to stay in SA whilst black AFricans are treated with contempt, with little to non protection from the law of this country Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
BaleliM
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@BaleliM
I heard about the facebook rant on friday (not sure if it even existed)
I scares the sh!t out of me that there is some f*&ked up hooligan who want to "pump some action" and there might also be others who think like him.........
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sadly not even the animals in the jungle behave the way we do and yet we proudly say we are educated. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
oldlady,
I hope the few examples provided clarify why there is such an outcry, you look at case like the Waterkloof mur.der where driving around looking for a black person to beat up and k.ill is almost considered a sport then you will understand the anger. Leandre comes from a community where this is acceptable hence she does not seem to understand why the anger.
We as a nation have to say it is not, where one is exposed like Leandra has been we need to come down hard so she and others like her know it is not acceptable to use rac.ist terminology. When violence is advocated then we have to be relentless. She has to be made an example of cause if we don't one day will will reach a point where an all out ra.cial w.ar erupts, whi.tes must be careful of pushing bla.cks too far.
I heard about the facebook rant on friday (not sure if it even existed)
I scares the sh!t out of me that there is some f*&ked up hooligan who want to "pump some action" and there might also be others who think like him.........
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sadly not even the animals in the jungle behave the way we do and yet we proudly say we are educated.
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@Dzel - Talking about walking away peacefully; A couple of years back (post apartheid er.a) my sister sent me to bu.y champagne for her. I went to a certain pub in Roodepoort. I asked a bartender(la.dy) for that champagne. She told me it was not available. I pointed at the champpagne and said there it is, she again said it was not there. Some big white guy came and said "try on the other side of the street you might find it, you at the wrong place". I looked around and asked my friend "do you see what I see?" He said, what? I said, this place is full of white people only. **Shaking my head** They don't even want your money, kikikiki. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Tasto
@RobinH
Shredder. I appreciate your comment, but to me this message is my "gospel" and I believe that we Suth Africans need to take a vocal and practical stance to demonstrate it. I have striven all my life to avoid racism in my domestic and professional life, so believe that I live an example of what I believe. BUT not many people get to see my very private private life. So the other avenue one MUST use, is to promulgate the message publicly whenever and wherever one can. That I fully intend to do.
Tasto: What ARE you talking about?
There is no official language called racism but in your homes you use racism daily, Holy than thou !! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
RobinH
TAsto. Retract. You have no idea of how I conduct myself. Take your sick sh!t and stick it somewhere painful. Nasty racist. So arrogant you can't even see it. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@Dzel
@ somaar,
A few years ago a childhood friend was stopped by a truckload full of Afrikaner boys who jumped off when they saw him, racially abused him and beat him up. This happened in Roodepoort as he was walking toward the taxi rank.
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Dzel I know abt this how can they not happen when we have farms used to nature such racist fee lings? how can they not happen when major political parties claiming to be liberal are not moving in on these farms and close them down? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
@Shredder,
My point is if we experience this kind of racism in urban areas can you imagine what farm workers go through?
Sometimes we get caught up in our troubles and our problems and we let life slip away, but life is precious, all of life, and one must try to take in as much of it as possible. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Tasto
@RobinH - Eish ooh my little whitey soorry man TRUTH hurts !!
PS - @Dzel ,@ somaar - you remind me, of the weekend paper article abt military camp where they teach white kids racism on a farm !!
somaartakeit
@SKIZOBANTWANA
Though i condemn her racial tweets, but NKA MODIRA YONG
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Your jungle fever is getting in teh way of your using your brains, what self respecting black male wld want to have such a relationship with this unrepentant baby racist? have some self respect please.
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Somaartake... you are so angered by this little r.acist girl, you have many reasons to be...... also comments like these by SKIZO, are exact reasons these w.h.ite t.r.ashes will always think that we're only think with our Private parts, we also need to hold high regard of ourselves, and show too much P.ri.de in who we are. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@Tasto and then you are wondering whether these ppl are trully committed to TRC or this was just for the victims with run with it, we are told there are no farms to give to up coming black farmers and then there are farmers used to train ppl to become racists? Do you understand why I am so angry with the anc regime? cause the buck stops with them.... Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Shredder
@Dzel
@Shredder,
My point is if we experience this kind of racism in urban areas can you imagine what farm workers go through?
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Exactly. The thing is, it is really frustrating because some of us non racists :), try to live with everyone else in peace. But the world around us will always bring their negative thoughts and try to to convince us to h@te other races. Nc! Nc! Nc! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MommaC
BaleliM
Just googled it.
That boychild is tossed in the head. I hope the university does something to make an example of him. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@MsBhaka...yhazi sana abantu bakuthi baxuthwa isdima ngaba bantu, yiyo lento ngamanye amaxesha ndivela ndibajonge nje, uskizo is one of those who is deeply affected the sense of inferiority instilled by apar theid system, uyazi abelungu bayavuya cause they know it will take us ages to have some dignity and self respect cause even the ppl who are supposed to be helping us are abusing us, jonga nje lanto yenziwa ngokhulubuso no kodwa mandela kwabanye abantu abamnyama, Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
@sommar,
Just wanted to point out that if you were to ask Leandre what political party does she support I bet you she will say the DA. A lot of closet and even some overt racists vote for the DA because it represents their interests.
FIFA is concerned about the $$$$, even though they preach and have all these campaigns but in my opinion I think they are not doing enough..... remember the last racial slur from some English player (in football) they just said "it is something that happens the players should shake hands. They should have sanctioned him severely Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@RobinH
Katakata: Your comment makes no sense whatsoever, Though with you that is hardly new.
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Ppl is the Umkhonto WesiZwe still recruiting or is it dying a slow death ? To give our children military discpline like the others are doing ion their farms ? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@Dzel that's why I have now re-evaluated my support to them, you know when you asked questions about the DA was so incessed by malemazuma I wld have supported the devil against them, that is how angry that man made me, I actually feel ashamed that I allowed my emotions to get the better of me. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Dzel
@sommar,
Just wanted to point out that if you were to ask Leandre what political party does she support I bet you she will say the DA. A lot of closet and even some overt racists vote for the DA because it represents their interests.
Just a thought!
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@Tasto - you remind me, of the weekend paper article abt military camp where they teach white kids racism on a farm !!
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"D.ie korkeks, onthou d.ie woord, d.ie korteks. Jou korteks is 120g groter as syne". I saw that clip. It haunted me for days. Nxa!! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Tasto
@somaartakeit
@Dzel that's why I have now re-evaluated my support to them, you know when you asked questions about the DA was so incessed by malemazuma I wld have supported the devil against them, that is how angry that man made me, I actually feel ashamed that I allowed my emotions to get the better of me.
Thanks God !! Me I rather not go to the polls than vote for these pale skin mother fcuking crackers !! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@sommartakeit
"..... remember the last racial slur from some English player (in football) they just said "it is something that happens the players should shake hands.." and that racist is still the captain of Chelsea second most black supported team after Man U.
Did you notice how the Russians quickly grabbed themselves a 'blackie' just to show they world how unracist they are? when the actual facts prove otherwise? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MommaC
Dzel
Just wanted to point out that if you were to ask Leandre what political party does she support I bet you she will say the DA. A lot of closet and even some overt racists vote for the DA because it represents their interests.
.... wouldn't the FF+ be more her style? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Shredder
@Tasto
Ppl is the Umkhonto WesiZwe still recruiting or is it dying a slow death ?
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It now comes under the name SANDF :) Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@The-Rothschilds
Dzel
"Just like black racists vote ANC?" you missed the point as usual, the DA claims to have a high moral ground to the anc, pliz get the point. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@MommaC
".... wouldn't the FF+ be more her style?" she is NOT an Afri-kaner so why wld she vote for a party looking after interests of Afri-kaners? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
maezizsto68
NevusAuvius
Racist or not hai maan she knows how to pose.
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Vele mshemane,she might be racist but she has a great body moer.Checka net dai cleavage it is clean my broer e seng tsa di silver stripes tse motho a kopanang le tsona kikikikikiki Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
MommaC,
.... wouldn't the FF+ be more her style?
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Young and urban plus I am looking at her surname which suggests she is not Afrikaans
When a leader comes out and denies racism in her city and then suggests it is the victim who has issues - Professional Black - they it is reasonable her followers will think racism is OK. Zille does not seem to understand that.
for me the Professional Black incident is worse than the refugee statement as it sends the wrong message to her constituency. I cannot blame Zille for her membership but I can blame her for encouraging undesirable behaviour by sweeping societal problems under a carpet, how can I support someone like that?
"Just like black racists vote ANC?" you missed the point as usual, the DA claims to have a high moral ground to the anc, pliz get the point.
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The DA does not pick who votes for them.........and their marketing campaign does not include white racism in it.
The same can be said about the ANC.
Its only obvious that a white racist would not vote ANC.........but to assume that the DA is a party of racists when racism is not part of their policy is totally unfair.
The DA does not pick who votes for them.........and their marketing campaign does not include white racism in it.
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I believe I have answered your statement in the post above i.e. condemning what is wrong and setting a good example for your constituency to follow and how denialism and/or silence encourages wrong behaviour.
"Its only obvious that a white racist would not vote ANC.........but to assume that the DA is a party of racists when racism is not part of their policy is totally unfair" Equally unfair that anyone wld assume that black racists vote the anc, I was just trying to show you that any accusation thrown at the anc the da is guilty of same, so basically each to his own mate! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
Tatso,
Thanks God !! Me I rather not go to the polls than vote for these ...
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It does not justify your racism either Tatso. Use the info to make up your mind, not reciprocate the hat.e.
@Shredder
@Tasto
Ppl is the Umkhonto WesiZwe still recruiting or is it dying a slow death ?
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It now comes under the name SANDF :)
The used to be SADF & Kommandos(rightwing military group in farms and they still exist even after they were outlawed) Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MommaC
Dzel
Weirdly enough its not only Afrikaans speaking people who vote for the FF+. I just thought that having so many d@rkies in the DA would have put her off giving them her vote.
Zille is another twittering twit. The DA would have to find someone far less arrogant and condescending to lead them before they would get my vote either Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Dzel - Zille gets irritated when ANC fanatics like Dana try and victimize the Western Cape just because the DA controls that province.
The problem of racism is a SA issue, not a Western Cape issue alone.
Dana should of asked Zille what her views are on racism in general in SA and not try and attack her just because the ANC no longer controls Cape Town, as if racism all of a sudden escalated in the Western Cape a few years after the ANC leadership.
But i will agree with you on this, Zille has a terrible way of trying to prove her points which may cost her the chance to ever rule anything bigger than the Western Cape. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
but to assume that the DA is a party of racists when racism is not part of their policy is totally unfair
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But Zille failed dismally when she had an opportunity to address racism in her province, instead of doing that she attacked the victim as if she knows what it feels like to be at the receiving end of racism.
Can someone here tell me what has Zille done since moving into active politics to fight the black cause. Yes I know about her days in the Black Sash but it looks like she has forgotten all that and now endorse racist because they move her closer to her goals.
@Tasto - The used to be SADF & Kommandos(rightwing military group in farms and they still exist even after they were outlawed)
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uMkhonto we Sizwe seized operating in 1990 and was integrated into SADF which is now SANDF Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
but to assume that the DA is a party of racists when racism is not part of their policy is totally unfair
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But Zille failed dismally when she had an opportunity to address rac.ism in her province, instead of doing that she attacked the victim as if she knows what it feels like to be at the receiving end of racism.
Can someone here tell me what has Zille done since moving into active politics to fight the black cause. Yes I know about her days in the Black Sash but it looks like she has forgotten all that and now endorse rac.ist because they move her closer to her goals.
"Its only obvious that a white racist would not vote ANC.........but to assume that the DA is a party of racists when racism is not part of their policy is totally unfair" Equally unfair that anyone wld assume that black racists vote the anc, I was just trying to show you that any accusation thrown at the anc the da is guilty of same, so basically each to his own mate!
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That is my point exactly, one cannot assume the DA be a racist party when its policies are not racist, anymore than the ANC. just because you may assume racists vote for each party based on race.
Tasto: Wow. So articulate: Have you considered a career in public speaking? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
The-Rothschilds
Zille gets irritated when ANC fanatics like Dana try and victimize the Western Cape just because the DA controls that province.
The problem of racism is a SA issue, not a Western Cape issue alone
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Dana did not attack Zille or the DA, she was sharing her experiences with racism in Cape Town then Zille jumped on the bandwagon defending “her” province. Incidentally it was Suttle who started the tweet and Dana came in to support Suttle.
The point is not racism happens all over SA, we know that but in Cape Town it tends to be more in your face if you’ve lived there.
But i will agree with you on this, Zille has a terrible way of trying to prove her points which may cost her the chance to ever rule anything bigger than the Western Cape.
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The difference between Zille and Leandre is Leandre is an out and out racist whilst Zille is a bigot who has a condescending attitude towards black people.
We can debate who is better and who is worse but at the end of the day at least with a racist you know where you stand, someone like Zille is more dangerous as they pretend to be your friend and want to use that friendship to garner votes.
Zille just wants to use black people for their votes and then pretend we are equal by scrapping the very measures that are meant to empower us given our history. Take labour broking for example, do you know there are people out there who have taken home as little as R 200 after working a full month - sometimes overtime included - because "they did not make their targets". Zille thinks this is OK therefore we should keep labour brokers.
How do I vote for someone like that?
I can write a book on whats wrong with labour brokers, again Zille wants to pretend the problem does not exist.
Zille gets irritated when ANC fanatics like Dana try and victimize the Western Cape just because the DA controls that province.
The problem of racism is a SA issue, not a Western Cape issue alone
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Dana did not attack Zille or the DA, she was sharing her experiences with racism in Cape Town then Zille jumped on the bandwagon defending “her” province. Incidentally it was Suttle who started the tweet and Dana came in to support Suttle.
The point is not racism happens all over SA, we know that but in Cape Town it tends to be more in your face if you’ve lived there.
Dana said to Zille why should she vote DA if Cape Town is the most racist in SA....................there is no proof of this. Nor is there are proof of what you are saying right now.
If the ANC was control of the Western Cape, it would be interesting to see if Dana and yourself would be making the same assertions that Cape Town is the most racist.
I agree with Zille with what she said that day, Dana was speaking absolute rubbish to victimize Cape Town as the most racist.............Racism is a SA problem, not a Western Cape problem..........................why is Dana not asking the ANC what they are doing about racism in their regions?
The DA controlling the Western Cape has put a massive dent in the ANC's ego as well as their supporters because the coloured vote has favoured a party either than the ANC, which explains why there has been racist outbursts from ANC MP's about the coloured, like Manyi comments.
Would he have made such a comment if the ANC still controlled the Western Cape? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Dzel
Ofcourse Zille wants your vote, just like Zuma, they are politicians.
Zille does not fully support labour broking..............that is COSATU playing games with you.
The problem you have with Zille is that Zille and the DA refuse to punish the white minority.
The DA would never go against BEE and AA because they know it would hurt their voter base...........................they just saying that there is an abuse of BEE and AA by the ANC which needs to be dealt with. The DA also says that we need to find a balance between black empowerment and attracting skills..................we cannot say NO to white doctors and teachers, on the basis that need more black doctors and teachers when we seriously need doctors in general in this country. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
itsme4sure
yaaaaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn.............why is this still news....? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
The-Rothschilds,
Dana said to Zille why should she vote DA if Cape Town is the most racist in SA....................there is no proof of this. Nor is there are proof of what you are saying right now.
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You see in many towns in SA you expect racism given the demographics and concentration and dominance of one racial group over another so you know for example to expect Bloem to be a challenge compared to PE for example. In cities like PE, Durbs and CT you expect to be less racism because the are English cities but with CT it is the coloreds mainly that are a problem hence the racism there comes as a bit of a shock at first that is why it is more difficult to deal with.
The point is not who is more racist, the point is can it be fixed and what remedial action is required. We can debate who should have taken the initiative to find common ground but as a politician looking to get black votes my approach would have been working towards finding a solution rather denying the problem exists at all as that does not shown political leadership one should expect from someone in Zille's position of responsibility.
>...so you know for example to expect Bloem to be a challenge compared to PE for example...
Wow... really? What a racist thing to say. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Dzel - Zille didnt deny anything..........she just said that its rubbish to pin point the Western Cape as the most racist when the hole of SA is one racist infestation.
Dana never complained about such issues when the ANC ruled the Western Cape, and dont come and tell me that the ANC had a special formula that worked during their rule.
Perhaps you need to brush up on DA policy as you don't seem to understand them.
1. The DA supports labour brokers.
2. They are very critical of BEE suggesting they want the system scrapped
3. They are iffy on AA suggesting a "needs" based AA rather than a race based system, I am yet to come across someone who can explain to me how this will work.
Simple put, the DA pays lip-service to all three but in reality they support the first and want the other two scrapped. It is not difficult to understand this if you read DA policy, perhaps you can prove me wrong by putting a coherent argument instead of general statements that amount to opinion.
Dzel - and to pin point the colour3ds as the source of racism in the Western Cape is just as racist as Jimmy saying there is a over concentration of colour3ds in the WC and the same political party accuses Zille of racism just because she described the sad situation of Eastern Cape pupils by using a non-racist word r3fugee which the ANC has now turned into a racist word.
Do you know that black people can be racist as well? Infact there are plenty black racists in this country. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
Rothschild
Dzel - Zille didnt deny anything..........she just said that its rubbish to pin point the Western Cape as the most racist when the hole of SA is one racist infestation.
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It would help if you knew what you are talking about instead of offering ill-informed opinion.
This is what happened:
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“No matter how famous/rich u r, ur still a 2nd class citizen if ur Black in Cape Town, @helenzille when’s the change u spoke about happening.”
Zille dismissed Suttle’s comments as “complete nonsense”.
As Zille asked for concrete proof of incidents of racism, many black Twitter users gave examples of places where they were repeatedly refused entry. Cape Town photographer Max Mogale listed the oft-bemoaned Asoka on Kloof Street and Jade Lounge in Green Point.
Soon the debate extended to black tweeters and the twitteratti countrywide.
Dana entered the fray with: “@helenzille has managed to p**s off black twitter. She can’t blame me for this one.”
When @mandlakada tweeted about bumping into Dana at the Waterfront, the gloves came off, with Zille responding: “Sorry? I thought she (Dana) left Cape Town claiming it is ‘racist’.”
Dana then asked if Zille disputed that Cape Town was a racist city, to which Zille replied that she disputed “blanket generalisations”.
Unsolicited, Zille then tweeted Dana: “You’re a highly respected black professional. Don’t try to be a professional black. It demeans you.”
Dana hit back: “So @helenzille is gonna teach me how to be an acceptable black. I’m ever so, so grateful.”
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and to pin point the colour3ds as the source of racism in the Western Cape is just as racist as Jimmy saying there is a over concentration of colour3ds in the WC and the same political party accuses Zille of racism just because she described the sad situation of Eastern Cape pupils by using a non-racist word r3fugee which the ANC has now turned into a racist word.
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It is a statement of fact from someone who has lived in studied in CT, an experience shared by many who have worked in the city and experienced racism.
I did not say all colour3ds are rac.ist but rather they are responsible for a significant portion of racism. What is racist about that? How do you explain the NP winning the province in the first democratic elections?
You come across as someone who debates for the sake of debating, please put some thought into what you write.
Perhaps you need to brush up on DA policy as you don't seem to understand them.
1. The DA supports labour brokers.
2. They are very critical of BEE suggesting they want the system scrapped
3. They are iffy on AA suggesting a "needs" based AA rather than a race based system, I am yet to come across someone who can explain to me how this will work.
Simple put, the DA pays lip-service to all three but in reality they support the first and want the other two scrapped. It is not difficult to understand this if you read DA policy, perhaps you can prove me wrong by putting a coherent argument instead of general statements that amount to opinion.
Prove me wrong.
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Even the ANC is questioning BEE in its current form. JUST LIKE THE DA
The ANC also supports labour brokers but wants a regulation, JUST LIKE THE DA.
Like i said, the DA wants a balance in AA........meaning we must not turn away skilled workers just because they are not black when we live in a country that has too little skilled workers, otherwise the economy cannot grow and hence create more jobs.
You can call the DA a lip service as if the ANC has fulfilled much of their promises they made.
The Western Cape (a predominantly non-white province) is happy with the DA, perhaps they all enjoy lips service over there.
Her parents are responsible for this, this kid would not use this kind of a language on a social network to express her anger if she's coming from a home with good parenting skills. To me it's very much clear that the entire family is rotten and useless with no clue how much we want to shape SA for our children. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
xBusi,
Wow... really? What a ra.cist thing to say.
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Its called logic.
I have moved around the country a lot and observed be.havior. If you are familiar with my po.sts you will know I tend to be analytical and do more than just debate as I seek to understand the psyc.hy of the person I am debating aga.inst and what infor.ms that psy.chy. Afrik.aners tend to be more ove.rt in their rac.ism whilst the English are more guar.ded. Similarly with rac.ist experience you are more likely to be bl.iks.emed by an Afrikaner than you are by an English person or Indian.
It is no more rac.ist than it is s.ex.ist to state wom.en tend to be more careful drivers, do you think that this statement is s.ex.ist?
Also Dzel when one takes responsibility rather than denying that there is a problem sort of dis-empowers the one who is being hurt by the behaviour which to them is unacceptable,so I agree HZ shldn't have denied existence of said unacceptable behaviour but instead outlined what her party is doing to counter such, and the DA supporters sometime shld stop saying things like, aah... but the anc is also doing that, cause ppl generally will not change their vote for the same difference...
It is baseless generalization to victimize Cape Town as a racist city when racism exists in all cities and places in SA, Zille is spot on.
Like i said, why did Dana not take up the issue of racist Cape Town when the ANC controlled the Western Cape just a few years ago! Dana was complaining about Cape Town, and we all know it was for political reasons.
Has she taken up extreme racism that occurs in Walmer township here in PE where wh!te motorist are stoned on a daily basis, and black gangs attacking coloured night clubs in North End? What about the black kids attacking coloured pupils at Thorn Hill school outside of PE? Why is Dana not complaining about his............perhaps when the DA takes over PE in the next election, only then may Dana cause another pointless tweet stur! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@OverloadGirls - I am also compelled to believe that its natural for her to make these remarks, cause first, she is known publicly that alone wld have deterred her from makign racist remarks like that, if she respected herself and her parents who wld have been horrified that she has become a little racist.
I am still waiting to see what has the man at Spar did to her to cause her to be like this, cause I dont' want to put light 'sexual harassment' grievance which she uses as an attempt to justify her behaviour. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Dzel
The-Rothschilds
and to pin point the colour3ds as the source of racism in the Western Cape is just as racist as Jimmy saying there is a over concentration of colour3ds in the WC and the same political party accuses Zille of racism just because she described the sad situation of Eastern Cape pupils by using a non-racist word r3fugee which the ANC has now turned into a racist word.
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It is a statement of fact from someone who has lived in studied in CT, an experience shared by many who have worked in the city and experienced racism.
I did not say all colour3ds are rac.ist but rather they are responsible for a significant portion of racism. What is racist about that? How do you explain the NP winning the province in the first democratic elections?
You come across as someone who debates for the sake of debating, please put some thought into what you write.
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And i suppose noone has complained to you about any racism in another part of the country besides Western Cape.........what rubbish.
What evidence do you have that suggests that colour3ds are responsible for alot of racism? Based on the experience of a few people you know? Have perhaps asked other people in other regions as well?
There is no debate here, you have made your point, i think the racism issue starts within yourself.
You are now accusing the colour3d's of being racist just because they dont vote ANC.
Wow... really? What a ra.cist thing to say.
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hahahahaha the hypocrisy amazes me
When it suites you, "colour3ds are responsible for most racism" hahaha
God forbid anyone saying the same about black people Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@The-Rothschilds
"God forbid anyone saying the same about black people..." and that wldn't be a fact and you know it, maybe you just wished it was the case, but sorry for you bl@cks were against oppre ssion they still conti nue to fight it now that we ele cted what is per ceived to be a democratic gov. but guys like jessica and those thugs running r@ce h@te farms are going to derail us all. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
OLDLADY4
Dzel, same oldlady, different place, could not remember password. Thank you for sharing your raci.st experiences with me. It must have taken a he.ll of a lot of guts to keep your cool in front of a lady friend, but you did the absolute right thing. Hope she appreciated it. I have always understood that the use of the word in question is hurtful, insulting, degrading and many other things to black people. I just did not understand why, as I never lived at the receiving end of such hurt and discrimination.
Somaartakeit, on this one I'm with you. I'd also like to know what this man did exactly to make her feel sexually harassed. Anyone out there know? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
yes they will derail us all cause majority wh!te SAns think just cause there is violent crime spiralling out of control then its justified for the likes of jessica to spout racist rhetorics and expect us to be okay with this, it is this arrogance and ignorance and lack of emotional intelligence on the part of these guys that there will never be racial harmony in SA at least at the level where we can all be tolerant of one another, Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
Rothschild
I ask you again not to forward personal opinion as DA policy, stop embarrassing yourself and read policy.
Brief highlights:
BEE - "Placing less emphasis on ownership, and more emphasis on skills training and socio-economic investment"
AA - it does not even appear on DA economic policy document but she is on record saying it must be needs based. Please explain this to me.
Labour Brokers - again silent on this point but they do say the following though:
The DA will:
• Simplify labour regulation
• Introduce a longer probationary period in which employers can dismiss underperforming workers without penalty
• Simplify regulations for SMMEs
• Introduce tax rebates
It does not take a genius to understand who the intended audience is, does it Rothschild?
"God forbid anyone saying the same about black people..." and that wldn't be a fact and you know it, maybe you just wished it was the case, but sorry for you bl@cks were against oppre ssion they still conti nue to fight it now that we ele cted what is per ceived to be a democratic gov. but guys like jessica and those thugs running r@ce h@te farms are going to derail us all.
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And i suppose noone has complained to you about any racism in another part of the country besides Western Cape.........what rubbish.
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Now you are being obtuse, how many times must I explain to you that it was never said that CT is the most racist city and that that is not even the point the point being how does one address racism where and when it occurs.
Your question on evidence borders on stup.idity and is ill-informed.
Like I said, elevate your contribution to something worth responding to, trust me this is starting to become a waste of time.
Hi guys did any see Sis Dolly around here? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MommaC
somaartakeit
"... majority wh!te SAns think just cause there is violent crime spiralling out of control then its justified for the likes of jessica to spout racist rhetorics"
WHO is this crowd of people you keep imagining that are defending her / supporting her / agreeing with her ?????? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
rothchild,
Like i said, why did Dana not take up the issue of racist Cape Town when the ANC controlled the Western Cape just a few years ago! Dana was complaining about Cape Town, and we all know it was for political reasons.
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I repeat, ignorance is your downfall.
How many times must I repeat the exchange was started by one Suttle who shared her views after visiting the city, Dana got involved after the fact as per the exchange I posted. Is there something wrong with your comprehension skills?
Context Rothschild, context. This is really getting tiring, unless you've got something intelligent to say there is little point is carrying on this conversation, say something worth responding to something that adds value to this discussion PLEASE.
@Somaartakeit. This kid is disrepecting. To asses a teacher you will have to look at the results of a learner, I still believe that the parents have waisted a vital organ in their body, and that is brain. her parents are worse than nothing. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Dzel
Rothschild
I ask you again not to forward personal opinion as DA policy, stop embarrassing yourself and read policy.
Brief highlights:
BEE - "Placing less emphasis on ownership, and more emphasis on skills training and socio-economic investment"
AA - it does not even appear on DA economic policy document but she is on record saying it must be needs based. Please explain this to me.
Labour Brokers - again silent on this point but they do say the following though:
The DA will:
• Simplify labour regulation
• Introduce a longer probationary period in which employers can dismiss underperforming workers without penalty
• Simplify regulations for SMMEs
• Introduce tax rebates
It does not take a genius to understand who the intended audience is, does it Rothschild?
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BEE - agree completely with this because the accumulation of shares has done plenty for a very few...............the resources should be spent on developing skills and education so that these people can start their own businesses willingly with a wing partner that wishes to take advantage of the skills and education you have aqcuired!
Yes, UNDER-PERFORMING workers must be punished because we have enough people in this country without work that truly want to work and learn.
Simplify labour & SMME regulation - this explains itself, this means it makes it easier to start up businesses and makes it easier to higher workers
Tax rebates - small business (start ups) would be exempt from taxation, ie, This would be wonderful for millions of black people trying to start up businesses
What does it say on the ANC manifesto about labour brokers?
AA - needs based means the country must put emphasize on the skills needed rather than the race.
So you saying black people will never own small and medium sized enterprises?
@MC for the umpteeth time please go read other n#ws outlet cove ring this story such as n3ws24 as already expl this morning, and you will see who is defen ding this racist girl some justif ying it by cit ing farm murders adn what-not Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
I am thinking now that in the UK or USA jessica wld never get away with calling a black person the n or k word, so this tells me that black SAns are by far and large nice ppl, in fact too nice and niceness is being wasted of the ignorants who have no ability to appreciate it. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
OLDLADY4
MommaC, I have read the stories Somaartakeit refers to, and just like she purposefully decided to misunderstand me, she is purposefully misunderstanding these comments. People are speculating there, just like here, as to what's and why's make people behave this way, but very few are defending her. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
OLDLADY4
Somaartakeit, and what would they have done to her in the UK or USA? Stoned her to death? I believe Jessica lost/is in the process of losing jobs and sponsorships, and that there will be a ha.te speech court case. That, to me, puts SA on par with what would have been done to her in the UK or USA. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Dzel
Dana had in the past accused Cape Town of being the most racist city in SA, she even asked Helen Zille if she was in denial because Zille has black friends...........i think you should analyze more carefully what had happened in that debate. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@OLDLADY4
Somaartakeit, and what would they have done to her in the UK or USA? Stoned her to death? I believe Jessica lost/is in the process of losing jobs and sponsorships, and that there will be a ha.te speech court case. That, to me, puts SA on par with what would have been done to her in the UK or USA.
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OK. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
OverloadGirls
Dzel
Rothschild
Stop writting novel scripts here, be analytical and give us facts to read, otherwise take a break and start a new comment on tomorrow's paper. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
Rothschild,
Let me summarise for you:
BEE – stop rewarding companies based on ownership, reward based on how many short courses staff are sent to.
AA – stop applying this on race, rather focus on sending staff on short-courses
Labour Broking – support this 110%
Does it escape you that you have now done a 180 degree turn from the DA is 100% supportive of these policies to justifying their position now that you know they aren’t.
You know I can continue providing the facts and you pretending you know it all only to backtrack when given the facts, I think we can agree your ignorance is blatantly obvious inspite of trying hard to appear smart when it is clear your strategy is entirely based on clutching at straws.
Ask to be educated and I will oblige, don’t try to appear smart by submitting opinion as fact and obfuscating when cornered. I can take the bait and move on to discussing SMMEs but that would be shifting goal posts and covers up your defeat point after point on this debate.
If you want to prove you are smart then please discuss the objective of AA and BEE with a degree of intelligence and tell us why you think the policies should be scrapped since we’ve established that is your latest position. I’ll give you a hint though; steer clearly of the so-called “born frees” argument as it misses the point completely.
Dana had in the past accused Cape Town of being the most racist city in SA, she even asked Helen Zille if she was in denial because Zille has black friends...........i think you should analyze more carefully what had happened in that debate.
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Well Jess take a long vacation to Dutchland or where ever your ancestors originate from? My Advice: This is Africa and have your realized it belongs to Black People...
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Please tell me where does it state This AFRICA belongs to Blackz only Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Dzel -
Zille, premier of the Western Cape, former Cape Town mayor and an ardent Twitter user, responded: "What complete nonsense."
She went on to say it was "a baseless assertion".
One user, @marangdream, responded: "Someone says they feel racism, "What Nonsense!" is NOT an appropriate response", to which Zille replied: "They did NOT say they 'feel' racism. They said Cape Town IS racist. BIG difference. I respect feelings but not blanket accusations."
At some point Dana tweeted to Zille: "Are you disputing/ denying that Cape Town is racist? Is this because some of your friends are black?" Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Dzel
You summary is based on your opinion. What i had presented was facts.
We all know (including the ANC of late for obvious reasons as the DA has exposed this scourge) that BEE has only benefited a few that are linked to powerful ANC members. The DA wants to break this and invest more in the employee (black employees) to acquire better knowledge and education over rewarding a few greedy black front runners.
AA based on needs means - hire people with the skill not because they black
i ask you again, WHAT IS THE ANC's stance on labour brokering? Im am still to see any political party against Labour brokers. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Click
Question: "Why did the albino m0nkey cross the road?.."
Dzel and The Rothschild, your political monologue is now way off subject, and very long winded for young people, may I add. If Jessica could be put in Robben Island, as it was then, she'd be broking from all the labour she'd have to do. Her AA (Awfull Ar.se) would be sitting in a small cell when she's not broking from labour and she'd BEE very sorry indeed for being a rac.ist. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Dzel
And on the contrary, i dont feel you have much credit in a debate either when you make comments such as 'colour3ds are responsible for most racism" ; 'Afrik4ners tend to be more racist then the english", "its logic" - this all based on your biased accumulation of experiences described by a biased choice of people in question.
My friend, you are no better than Dana..........you cannot handle that the ANC's claw5 are long gone from Cape Town and now you are even labeling the colour3ds the source of racism just because they see through your beloved ANC!
@Dzel - I hope I understand you correctly you called me a r.acist, those who know Tasto will tell you he is black&proud never a racist but let us leave that debate for a another day.Plse do not give up on loving these white.s of yours even if the spi.t on your face (digressing) good job.
With out being personal can you on my behalf asked your caring w.hites abt the recent Grabouw school p.rotest and latest abt African children being chased away from school in c.oloured areas @Kuilsriver & being called JZ children even by co.loured teachers ? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MommaC
somaartakeit
Okay, went to Newws24 and read the first couple dozen comments. Two out of about 50 (that I read) were trying to defend this. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
Rothchild,
Spot the difference:
1. Are you disputing/ denying that Cape Town is racist
2. Are you disputing/ denying that Cape Town is the MOST racist
Reading your responses one would swear you don't know the meaning of the word MOST and what impact it has when used in a sentence.
And who are you exactly to tell other people what to debate about? Did the Sowetan hire you for anything? If not, then you know what to do with that loud trap of yours! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
Rothschild,
My friend, you are no better than Dana..........you cannot handle that the ANC's claw5 are long gone from Cape Town and now you are even labeling the colour3ds the source of racism just because they see through your beloved ANC!
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Based on your latest comment clearly this is becoming a waste of time, I have little interest in debates that have no direction. I can't say it was a pleasure.
Consider this my last response to you on this topic.
"Consider this my last response to you on this topic..." what a pity considering that your political ouput has a lot of insight sometimes its interesting to read experiences of ppl who have lived in CT ppl who are objected and not guarded by political party affill iations, I have ever been to CT only as a tourists so I don't know much iro DA's deliverance of services records,but for me my measuring stick wld be if they eradicate crime and alcoholism at the Cape Flats cause surely that is why they got the votes from those folks for? Report Abuse
R@cist this r@cist that- who gives a sh1t
Jessica Leandra carry on my dear-
R@cist is everywhere
your mistake is (u r wh1te) let a black guy use a 'K' word nothing will happen even here on sowetan... Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Shredder
@LESSON1
R@cist this r@cist that- who gives a sh1t
Jessica Leandra carry on my dear-
R@cist is everywhere
your mistake is (u r wh1te) let a black guy use a 'K' word nothing will happen even here on sowetan...
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Idiots are everywhere Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
LoL @Shredder you fell for the troll, lol Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
OLDLADY4
The Rothschild, not me, read the conditions of Sowetan and understand. What Sowetan hired me to do or not, is quite frankly, none of your business. And please, as an old lady, I don't know as much as you young one about what to do with loud traps. I've only recently realised I'm allowed to have one. Please, enlighten me what to do with my loud trap, seeing that you have so much more experience on the subject as I do. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Dzel
Rothschild,
My friend, you are no better than Dana..........you cannot handle that the ANC's claw5 are long gone from Cape Town and now you are even labeling the colour3ds the source of racism just because they see through your beloved ANC!
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Based on your latest comment clearly this is becoming a waste of time, I have little interest in debates that have no direction. I can't say it was a pleasure.
Consider this my last response to you on this topic.
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There was no point about your debate in the first place.............you were trying to correlate racism in the Western Cape with the DA which is why you would never vote for them, but your views as baseless, and now you shot yourself in the foot by trying to ridicule colour3ds........the real racists are you and the ANC my friend............not the DA, im sure Jimmy Manyi is dying to have a debate with you on how to handle those drunk DA supporting "racist colour3ds". Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
oldlady,
Dzel and The Rothschild, your political monologue is now way off subject, and very long winded for young people, may I add.
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Totally agreed, I have tried to keep the discussion within reasonable limits but it seems Rothschild is one of those people who debate to have the last word rather than concentrating on the quality of argument.
1. Are you disputing/ denying that Cape Town is racist
2. Are you disputing/ denying that Cape Town is the MOST racist
Reading your responses one would swear you don't know the meaning of the word MOST and what impact it has when used in a sentence.
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OLDLADY4
The Rothschild, not me, read the conditions of Sowetan and understand. What Sowetan hired me to do or not, is quite frankly, none of your business. And please, as an old lady, I don't know as much as you young one about what to do with loud traps. I've only recently realised I'm allowed to have one. Please, enlighten me what to do with my loud trap, seeing that you have so much more experience on the subject as I do.
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And what are the conditions of the Sowetan that would entertain the fact that i should stop debating what im debating Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
LESSON1
Shredder
@LESSON1
R@cist this r@cist that- who gives a sh1t
Jessica Leandra carry on my dear-
R@cist is everywhere
your mistake is (u r wh1te) let a black guy use a 'K' word nothing will happen even here on sowetan...
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Idiots are everywhere
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since u r genuies - stop r@cist for us (@ssface),
starts a topic about tr1bes and you'll see (d@mp@ss)
"....the real racists are you and the ANC my friend............not the DA, im sure Jimmy Manyi is dying to have a debate with you on how to handle those drunk DA supporting "racist colour3ds". Everyone who disagrees with your views is automatically anc and is racist? Cause Dzel here has been giving as much abt the anc (ask Jaja) as he does abt the DA he is what one wld call an impartial gov critic, if anything we need more ppl like this, not the party line towers devoid of any original and rational thought. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
@sommar,
Last last response to Rothschild, I am happy to engage with anyone who debates from an honest perspective rather than saying just about anything to "win" the debate.
Some people are just not worth the time and patience.
Dzel, and then he tries to act aggressive when not getting his way. It sounds very white male to me. Do you perhaps know his race? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
OLDLADY4
Rothschild.."what are the conditions.....? Like I said, read them. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
oldlady,
Dzel, and then he tries to act aggressive when not getting his way. It sounds very white male to me. Do you perhaps know his race?
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I get the impression he is white and perhaps Jewish but I might be wrong about the latter.
@Dzel, m kay then thought you were cutting off altogether, cause Dzel whilst I don't agree with some of your views as you know it:-) I sincerely do enjoy your political views, some of which are very informative, the vast experience you had not only working but studying in the WC so I gather most of what you talk abt is first hand experience, who are we to discard that,
Must be white. As an old white lady, I've had my fair share of "experiences", and he just sounds so familiar. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
LESSON1
Click
@ LESSON1
Keep your comments tightly sealed where they belong.. RDP toilet.
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NnyO whatwhat yamonate called all of you bloggers "K" and baboons the past week
nothing happened and you click u know xactly who i'm talking about !! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
OverloadGirls
@Click
That was a good joke mfana, you made my day. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@Click
@ OLDLADY4
Let's go to Spur.. *My treat*
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did you mean SpAr? LoL Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
OLDLADY4
OverloadGirls and Somaartakeit, ag nee SIES girls. And here I was planning my outfit already before accepting. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
Thanks somaar, fact is we learn from each other all the time.
Dzel accusations of saying colour3ds are mostly responsible for racism, afrikan3rs are more racist than their english speaking counterparts etc and bases this on a biased choice of views from a biased choice of people from a biased location 'Cape Town only", and somehow Dzel tries to somehow correlate this to this Jessica model with the DA and why one should never vote for the DA...........it was a pointless debate from start which actually exposed how narrow minded Dzel actually perceives things! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
LESSON1
@sowetan
just write an article regarding all african tr1bes and just sit back, relax
just for once please -i'm begging you please please then we can talk about this ch1ck's issue !! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
OLDLADY4
Rothschild.."what are the conditions.....? Like I said, read them.
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Like i said, who are you to even dictate to other people on what to do on this forum? Why should i go and waste my team reading conditions when you are so clearly trying to monitor this forum like you have been hired to do so, in that case, if you are hired, then it is your job to describe to me what is it that im doing that is against the conditions that you are trying to uphold so dearly! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
OLDLADY4
Click, clever man. At my age I can also only finish half a burger, so you'd be scoring all the way. I'll do the tip (as I was full of them today), as well as the drinks. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@Click I just thought with all this publicity Spar has been gaining, ooh well....lol Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
OLDLADY4
The Rothschild, sorry, working hours finished. Getting ready for my date with Click now. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
OLDLADY4
Click, clever man. At my age I can also only finish half a burger, so you'd be scoring all the way. I'll do the tip (as I was full of them today), as well as the drinks.
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You do whatever you want my darling, and you let me do what i want, neh? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
LESSON1
Click
Ok sir my pleasure.
since u r obsessed about jessica-
@OLDLADY4
OverloadGirls and Somaartakeit, ag nee SIES girls. And here I was planning my outfit already before accepting.
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LoL I can imagine:-) but sorry for spoiling your outing..:-) Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
OLDLADY4
The Rothschild, and since when did I not let you do what you wan? You just didn't want the tip, which Dzel was man enough to take. Hope you're my waiter at Spur tonight. Cheap round. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Budapat
''Jessica Leandra dos Santos'' surely Mommy and Daddy's FISH AND CHIPS business is raking far less than what it used to before your TWEET you M O R O N, I have forgiven you last week already. Lastly, SOWETAN please stop reporting within the R A C I A L lines like BEELD toe, we've had this article and it's enough now so stop provoking R A C I S M le wena maan!! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
OLDLADY4
The Rothschild, and since when did I not let you do what you wan? You just didn't want the tip, which Dzel was man enough to take. Hope you're my waiter at Spur tonight. Cheap round.
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Dzel used you to chicken out and im sure Click will be using you tonight as well................you can have fun at.......Spur *giggle*. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@The-Rothschilds
somaartakeit
"Dzel accusations..." what is it with you that makes you want to be right all the time? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
Rothschild,
Word of advice, while the internet offers anonymity which I understand can appear empowering it is advisable to engage with respect especially toward people who are older than you. This speaks to your character, we can all see what kind of a person you are based on what you write.
Your attack on oldlady is unwarranted especially given she was suggesting we keep to the topic. I did not take offense at her words, in fact I agree with her 100%.
It boils down to how one is raised I suppose. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Click
@ OLDLADY4
A White Citi Golf will be outside your g@te at 8pm sharp!!.. Wear a tight hugging dres.s tonight.. No political discussions at our non-smoking area table.. *Take care, wink*
@ somaartakeit
We'll go to Spar to b.uy a 2lt ice-cream after dinner.. Hope to bump into Leandra at the till..
I agree Budapat they shld instead report on Helen Zille courtship with Vavi heheheM&G reported on the article I just cldn't believe that Helen will resort to that these tactics in her pursuit for 'power'? Somebody at the DA please remove that woman before she ruins everything achieved so far, Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
OLDLADY4
The Rothschild, ag, at my age, being "used" is what I can only hope for. Just last week I had to phone the cops to stop the burglars from exiting my house after only stealing some stuff. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
somaartakeit
@The-Rothschilds
somaartakeit
"Dzel accusations..." what is it with you that makes you want to be right all the time?
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1) take your own advise?
2) im not trying to be right...........just saying that Dzel's point of this hole debate was really pointless which in the end exposed her racial tendencies, similarly you do the same thing, at the end of every debate you usually turn to your racist hatred for wh!te people and try to throw insults..........sadly for you, you could never get and racial slur out of me, nomatter how hurtful the insult was.........because im not like you and thank god, will never be! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@Click
@ OLDLADY4
@ somaartakeit
"We'll go to Spar to b.uy a 2lt ice-cream after dinner.. Hope to bump into Leandra at the till...." RTOFLOL Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Dzel
Rothschild,
Word of advice, while the internet offers anonymity which I understand can appear empowering it is advisable to engage with respect especially toward people who are older than you. This speaks to your character, we can all see what kind of a person you are based on what you write.
Your attack on oldlady is unwarranted especially given she was suggesting we keep to the topic. I did not take offense at her words, in fact I agree with her 100%.
It boils down to how one is raised I suppose.
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Do you know this woman personally?
You shouldnt use other bloggers to try and chicken out of a debate that you seriously screwed up with your own racial tendencies. You started the fire boy! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@Rotschild tjo you did learn a lot frm malema using race card for all it worth, you like Leandre shld however back your accusations with facts esp if you are gonna make such serious accusations. That wld help make your claims credible, if you know what I mean, anyway I now am off to play with my mates, so good nite. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
@OLDLADY4
The Rothschild, ag, at my age, being "used" is what I can only hope for. Just last week I had to phone the cops to stop the burglars from exiting my house after only stealing some stuff.
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LOL.... hehehehe. LOL.
I am laughing my a** off oldlady, good one ... LOL.
and just before I leave what was racial from me to you last week? Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
OLDLADY4
The-Rothschild, ...this hole debate..... So correct. A debate full of holes. If you really wanted to see me red-faced, you should have commented on my use of the word "monologue", when referring to two parties communicating, not my loud trap. Hey, can anything be loud in cyberspace?
Click, and use me, please use me. I'd like to pi.ss my children off by throwing away all my money after some young ......., just like that father who sold his house and threw his daughters out. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
Rothchild,
Do you know this woman personally?
You shouldnt use other bloggers to try and chicken out of a debate that you seriously screwed up with your own racial tendencies. You started the fire boy!
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I don't have to know her personally to judge her character, same goes for you.
Don't call me boy, it must be emancipating hiding behind the internet but I'd say that to my face.
somaartakeit
@Rotschild tjo you did learn a lot frm malema using race card for all it worth, you like Leandre shld however back your accusations with facts esp if you are gonna make such serious accusations. That wld help make your claims credible, if you know what I mean, anyway I now am off to play with my mates, so good nite.
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Galfrend lol wrong forum mate she's at BB house, lol Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
somaartakeit
@The-Rothschilds
somaartakeit
@Rotschild tjo you did learn a lot frm malema using race card for all it worth, you like Leandre shld however back your accusations with facts esp if you are gonna make such serious accusations. That wld help make your claims credible, if you know what I mean, anyway I now am off to play with my mates, so good nite.
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WHen have you never used the race card?
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you see you make wild accusation, what is it with you which makes you fancy yourself a racism victim? pliz man Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Dzel
Rothchild,
Do you know this woman personally?
You shouldnt use other bloggers to try and chicken out of a debate that you seriously screwed up with your own racial tendencies. You started the fire boy!
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I don't have to know her personally to judge her character, same goes for you.
Don't call me boy, it must be emancipating hiding behind the internet but I'd say that to my face.
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I wouldnt trust your judge of character, and i dont think any colour3d would either
Now that you have screwed up big time in the debate, you start resorting to threats? Where would you like to meet loud mouth? bring who you want BOY! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
Have you guys seen extracts from Ken Sinclair's (Cape tech student) Facebook page?
Its 16:20
Go have a beer, relax and unwind. You are getting way too worked up over a string of comments. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
Rothschild,
You just need to go to the playground so you can play with children of the same age as you. I think we all need to ignore you from now on since you clearly don't have anything of substance to add.
You have proven though what kind of scum votes for the DA.
Oh BOY, can I be there? Please, please. Will pay entrance fee. How about it Click? After our burgers, we go watch Dzel and The Rothschild go at it. And let's invite the girl this article was about ( what's her name again?) too. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
OLDLADY4
Dzel, I haven't done this Facebook thing yet. Gonna sign up, or whatever it is you do to go read what you're talking about. Sounds interesting. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
somaartakeit
Racism victim???? YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING, says the one who spends hours trying to defend the poor wounded hearts of the black majority from any opinion that other races may have in general about how things should be done in this country.
Not to mention you are the one who spends hours researching "racial victim mentality issues" such as racial medical disorders..........i mean what normal person would go and research such disorders about wh!te people if they did not have some little obsession or something really wierd in their mad minds to do so.............and you say im a racial victim.
I just did not appreciate you and Dzel to try and say because of this Jessica, one should not vote DA because a DA voter is just like this girl, which is complete rubbish............who knows how Dzel managed to ascertain that colour3ds are the root cause of Western Cape racism from all of this, only his racist mind would know.
Have you seen his actual page? I couldn't find it.
Scary ish. I thought it was some Yankie yahoo in the beginning
Old Lady
I saw it at
durbanbella.blogspot.com/2012/04/racism-on-social-media-ken-sinclair.html Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
MommaC
The-Rothschilds
Its 16:20
Go have a beer, relax and unwind. You are getting way too worked up over a string of comments.
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Very chilled MommaC
Dzel threatened me, just wanna see how man enough he is Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
MommaC
The-Rothschilds
Its 16:20
Go have a beer, relax and unwind. You are getting way too worked up over a string of comments.
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Clearly pissed off for being exposed by an arrogant black, I am sure he subscribes to the Bell Curve Theory fully.
Next thing he will be telling me how backwa.rd black people would be had it not been for wh.ites, right Rothschild?
Dzel threatened me, just wanna see how man enough he is
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Well you won't achieve that sitting behind your computer screen, you must feel like a man right now. I am sure you can't wait to tell your friends how you told this arrogant native off right.
Its 16:20
Go have a beer, relax and unwind. You are getting way too worked up over a string of comments.
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Clearly pissed off for being exposed by an arrogant black, I am sure he subscribes to the Bell Curve Theory fully.
Next thing he will be telling me how backwa.rd black people would be had it not been for wh.ites, right Rothschild?
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unlike you, whos outright racism has been exposed......i dont drop to your level and make assumptions about races...............and yes..............it was arrogant of you to make such assumptions about colour3ds and wh!te people in general and still tried to justify that with "opinions" you have heard from people you know in Cape Town..................you screwed up this debate big time mate...........theres no credit to anything you have been saying.
So where are we going to meet, since you so arrogantly believe i will only take you on behind a computer screen.........lets do it now in public! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MommaC
Well I'm going to take my own advice. A nice glass of wine is far more attractive than all this agro being thrown around here. Its only Monday! Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
MommaC
Come on now guys. Holster your testosterone and go have a cool beer Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
OLDLADY4
That must be Click hooting. Thanks MommaC. Will go read it later. Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
The-Rothschilds
Dzel
Rothschild,
You just need to go to the playground so you can play with children of the same age as you. I think we all need to ignore you from now on since you clearly don't have anything of substance to add.
You have proven though what kind of scum votes for the DA.
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Another baseless assumption about DA voters? Christ dude, you are reaching a point of no return Report Abuse
May 7, 2012
Dzel
Peace mense, I'm outta here.
Rothschild, I will leave you think you've won this round, good for you son.
Dzel threatened me, just wanna see how man enough he is
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Well you won't achieve that sitting behind your computer screen, you must feel like a man right now. I am sure you can't wait to tell your friends how you told this arrogant native off right.
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Rothschild, I will leave you think you've won this round, good for you son.
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WHat was i spose to have won exactly? You did all the damage yourself! Report Abuse
May 8, 2012
manfordm
racist is natural but dont show off yo racist tendacies Report Abuse
May 8, 2012
Geeny
they shud have slapped her hard!!! nxa racist!! how did she even write that word!! she doesnt deserve to live Report Abuse
May 8, 2012
Geeny
oh we have anotehr Ken Sinclair the facebook racist Report Abuse
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MorenaWaPolelo
A pin up racist... now I now what Malema meant when he said the little racist girl....It shows that you can't have everything!!!!! Shame sitting on top of the world sickness!!!!Report Abuse
MommaC
'Racist language not in my nature'Well apparently it is.
Wave goodbye to your career dolly. That was a very expensive Freudian slip indeed.
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MorenaWaPolelo
MommaC morning!!!I wonder what her parents are saying? You know kids can change a perception the neighboures have about parents...Now she's trying to pull her head out of her asss with some retarded PR rhetory that the language is not is not in her nature and she does not understand why people are so mean!!!
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kudi
chochocho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Report Abuse
MommaC
MorenaWaPoleloMorning :)
I wonder what her friends are saying about this and if she still has any.
There are some words you just don't use, no matter how angry you are. I just wonder what the silly tart would have said if it had been a white guy perving her. Or would that have been more acceptable in her mind?
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Pointman
On the bright side - at least most of us are in the middle ground which is good. Kul! Roberts got the same treatment for her rac!st take on "coloreds".Report Abuse
swona
you not alone most SAcans are just like you! pity u lost sponsorship!Report Abuse
mambaaai
swona well said, apparently you dont have to be wh!te to be a racist... just need an opinion on somebody from another race or tribeReport Abuse
PleaseGetReal
No matter how angry someone makes you, playing the race card is not ok.Report Abuse
tpaz
racism is natural......as natural as loving your own kids than the neighbors kids....
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JajazQueen
After consulting with a lawyer she realised.Report Abuse
mambaaai
jjq morning,Is that a fact, is it your assumption or your opinion, did she realise or was she told? :D ;)
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theMrs
biggest life lesson: be careful of your utterances in the public domain baby girl! and catch the next flight to australia.Report Abuse
Bdoobs
If you said it, you meant it witch, wonder how long that insurance company you work for will tollerate your racist antics, your modelling career is done, before you know it a kaff!r will be your boss and you will share a office with african monkeys.Report Abuse
imthegreatest
if she can say this on a public platform, what about behind close doors with her pe.ople/family. Africans get it in your skul, most SA(over 90%) whi.tes h.ate us, period. we have forgiven them but they have never apologise. the mddam will kis u during election time and go home clean her mouth with bleach while the hus.band is refusin to kis her for a month but kis her immeadiately after she has kised a do.g.Report Abuse
DJWinner
Well, she must make a sex tape with a black guy and post it on internet for free downloads. Only then we can get convinced that she is not racist and we can forgive her.Report Abuse
MrPresident
"Out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks" Matthew 12:34.Unfortunately for you Leandra the mouth spoke at the wrong time and has cost you dearly... You def need help and I think the help is going to cost you more than money
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KarlZimbiri
@swona, I think U have a point, most are not better than this little girl.@ All
He who believes he has never discriminated anyone may go ahead and chop this young girl.
I have noticed that most bloggers lose sanity whenever there are news involving Limpopo. They suddenly hurl all the greatest insults under the sun and they believe they are within their humour to do that. Even if it is a mistake that could possibly have been committed by anybody, as long as it was committed by a Limpopo person people lose their rationale and start with hateful comments that are influenced by tribal motives and ethnic chauvinism.
So, now, what makes Jessica different? Actually, she is better coz she does not insult her own people. She is insulting a race that in any case derives joy out of insulting each other.
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CheeseBoy
'Rac.ist language not in my nature'Just hand over that little b.utt so I can give you a proper spa.nking with my black pipe.
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Makhosini0408
OK. She is not a racist sham, just a liberal young narrow minded and confused soul?This are the damm results of a political correct country that sweeps everything under the carpet so that the world can hail it as a rainbow nation or a shining example.
Really now, in 2012, we still have to deal with such nonsensic utterances?
Unfortunately, no matter how had we try, we cannot rehabilitate racists, period.
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somaartakeit
jessica just blew a huge racist hole in the fake notion of the supposedly 'born fr33' and untained with racism, it also shows some parents in this country are not remorseful of our racist past hence they continue to instill racist beliefs in the process of bringing up the jessicas of this world, I just want to know how is these ppl like jessica going to survive? jessica's behaviour reminds of the youth being groomed by right wingers in the farms, whose training involved conditioning them into becoming fully fledged racist ticking time bomb, I blame the anc for failing to follow up on the TRC if adhere to what this process was intended for.Report Abuse
imthegreatest
@DJWinner
Well, she must make a sex tape with a black guy and post it on internet for free downloads. Only then we can get convinced that she is not racist and we can forgive her.
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she will rather fu&k a do.g than African.
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somaartakeit
of noteworthy is that jessica is not an Afrikaner the 'usual suspects' on the racism stakes.Report Abuse
mambaaai
juju, also played this card, see where he is as well..... not a good card to play at all.... doesent help the individual , the rest of the people in the land, or society in general because it gets everyone going which adversly affects all.... played itself out badly many times over .... its just not good.... in a way its a crime to peace in society and she should go sit in jailReport Abuse
mambaaai
juju, also played this card, see where it got him, as well..... not a good card to play at all.... doesent help the individual , the rest of the people in the land, or s0ciety in g3neral because it gets everyone going which @dversly @ffects all.... this stuff has played itself out badly many times over in the world .... its just not g00d.... in a way its a cr!me to p3ace in s0ciety and she should go sit in j@ilReport Abuse
somaartakeit
I am wondering what is that the guy at Spar must have said which has unleashed jessica into a fully fledged racist.@Mambaai I read that someone has taken this matter up with the courts, so if found guilty which she shld she will be fined or something to that effect, this is permanent stain in her young life, this is a direct result of parents bringing up their children badly, as jessica is an udult, she should take full responsibility of her behaviour, but her parents also should partly take a blame for the way they brought her up.
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cornelius
There is rac.ism on all sides in SA. It is often provo.ked by something that happens. How many blogg.ers on this site have expressed their hatr.ed. of w.hites, calling them "pin.k p.igs" etc,, without even a comment from other bloggers. The attitude displayed by some bloggers is astoundin.g. and smac.ks of emotin.al immaturi.ty..!@ MorenaWaPolela. How on earth do you use this incident to justify M.alema's insult of Zille ? The mind boggles.
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oldlady2
I have learnt a valuable lesson from this incident. I missed Friday's comments and only read them yesterday. On Friday someone explained how the use of the word in the past, was always preceeded with something like" fo.k.ken d.om k, vandag m'o.er ek jou" before a black person was severely assaulted in humiliated. I've always wondered why the word has so much power to hurt black people, because you mostly can call a wh.ite any name, and they just let it slide, because words don't make us the people we are. I would have thought the insult would be in the word d.om. This erson made me understand where the power of the word comes from. Us wh.ites often do not understand what black people went through in the past, and therefor do not always understand the reaction to such a word. Thank you Jessica. Although you ki.l.led your career, you helped teach me something I did not know before.Report Abuse
Socrates
@MommaC, yeah that was a Freudian Slip, her subconscious has always wanted to come out into the conscious. And trust me when u I say this is harboured by many white people I know. Sadly they just dont have the guts. Jessica is in her early 20's, technically this means many 20 osmething white kids harbour the sentiments and these are kids born during the demise of apartheid.Report Abuse
MGEEZ
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Really now!!! so I guess you did not write that which you wrote either then, did you now???? We have been here Leandra dear for a long time to know people like you are insincere and cancer to our society. The first step to rehabilitation is to ackowledge that you have a problem. What you should be doing is to apologise at every opportunity that you get and accept what you have done. Your racist tendencies will not cease to exist just because you are denying them!!!!!
Get proffesional help!!!
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Socrates
@MommaC, I would think if it was a white guy making moves on her she would have taken that as a compliment.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@oldlady2"I've always wondered why the word has so much power to hurt black people, because you mostly can call a wh.ite any name, and they just let it slide" If that were true why did Afriforum took malema to court for his racist rants and Helen Zille also did same?
You know oldlady2 the inability of white persons of SA to have humility and emotional intelligence is a direct reason that you guys are never going fit in with the majority, cause instead of offering excuses as why the victims such a racist derotory is intended for, what is needed now is a sincere apology, then this case will be closed, when De Klerk apologised (SINCERELY) for apartheid majority black SAns forgave, but then with guys using words like K knowing with intention to hurt, just how can we forgive and forget?
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mambaaai
somaartakeityou make a g00d p0int, her p@rents may have t@ught her c0rrectly as well
P3ople should take r3sp0nsibility for their 0wn @ctions.... this bl@ming stuff is also pvre rvbbish... she did it.... reg@rdless of what that gvy s@id in the sh0p... she w3nt and put it on twitter....
the hvman is the only creatvre that can take a m0ment and d3cide what its g0ing to do, before it r3acts to a stimvlvs, or to something another said or did
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KeRataBasadi
Just out of curiosity, what exactly did this K2ffir say or do that was perceived to be sexual harrassment ? maybe she should lay a charge or something.Report Abuse
1tsotsi
Not all white people are ra.cist, but most of them are. Where are going with our rainbow nation dream? I think the media shouldnt have given her the attention she is seeking. South africa is better off without this girl.Report Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
@corneliusI can because i believe Malema's racist girl reference should have been directed at this little girl!!!
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KeRataBasadi
Just also out of curiosity, did the "Rude African monkeys" sexually harrass her aswell ?Report Abuse
somaartakeit
You know for my part I personally don't care abt the k word cause I know that the ones using it are ignorant nazis, but what infuriates me is when you get ppl defending and making excuses as to why black victims of racism must tolerate being abused by these ignorant nazis.It is like me saying to someone after walking over his/her foot and deliberately causing him/her harm, and when this person informs that I had hurt them and I turn around and say, 'you should grow a thick skin' I wonder how long to these ppl like jessica think they can push black SAns around for before they get a violent response to their provocation.
I am grateful for one thing though, that she didn't make this remark at Spar, cause then she wld now be in hospital fighting for her racist life.
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cornelius
@ somaartakeit.Afrifo.rum is trying to stop the singing of a song that is advocating the m.urder of w.hite f.armers in a time where f.arm.m.urders are a reality.
Zille instituted a private court action to defend her dignity, against a little tsotsi who went around saying she is sleeping with her entire male cabinet.
Can you really not see the difference ?
W.hite people geenerally do not throw their toys out of the cot, tear their hair out, and carry on as if the world has ended when they are called derogatory names, because we do not suffer from a victim mentality.
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MGEEZ
oldlady2I would have thought the insult would be in the word d.om. This erson made me understand where the power of the word comes from. Us wh.ites often do not understand what black people went through in the past, and therefor do not always understand the reaction to such a word. Thank you Jessica. Although you ki.l.led your career, you helped teach me something I did not know before.
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What is this thing that you think Jessica helped to teach you about black people seeing that she also is not black?????????????????????????
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somaartakeit
@KeRataBasadiJust also out of curiosity, did the "Rude African monkeys" sexually harrass her aswell ?
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Dude please explain to me, cause now it gets really confusing, just how is it possible to sexually harass a porn model?
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KeRataBasadi
Not all South Africans swiftly voiced their distaste at Leandra’s comments, some thought it a sensible reaction from their "child", no prizes for guessing those that did.Report Abuse
oldlady2
Somaartakeit, you are more intelligent than this. Afriforum's problem was never with the word bo.er, it was with the calling for ki.lling the bo.er, whatever you may understand bo.er to mean. And as far as I understand it, Zille's problem was with the insult that basica.lly called her a pros.titute, although I do feel Zille should not have made such a big issue out of it. She should have taken it from whom it comes.Somaartakeit, i was also not using any excuse. It was a black person on Friday's comments that explained where the hurt of the word comes from, I was never part of any police or army, and never saw incidents where black people were assaulted, neither did my mother ever allowed us to use that word. As a matter of fact, it was a word I only heard once I was a grown up. This girl can apologise all she wants, I don't think you, or any other person on this forum will ever believe the apology is sincere. I appreaciate the new insight I was given by this blogger on Friday, and if that upsets you, so be it. I don't think I'm too old to learn.
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Tabza325is
@somaartakeitI am wondering what is that the guy at Spar must have said which has unleashed jessica into a fully fledged racist.
I suspect he was trying to cotter( Shela) her and like most white girls who don't expect a black guy to Mac on her she was cought off guard, she couldn't believe an " African M0nkey" was Mac'ing on her.
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mambaaai
somaartakeityou mention the nazis.... now that was another thing altogether, as well because the most of the people were wh1tees. There is a very intersting guy who came out of that thing. Well worth looking at what he realised and discovered during those times. its worth looking him up.
his name is Victor Frankle....
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Decibels
This stupid ashkenazi b!tch advertises her body for a living then she has a problem with a black brother admiring her body and making remarks. Forget going for professional coaching why don't you go to back the cauacusus mountains and mingle with your own since you have a problem with the original man.Report Abuse
oldlady2
Mgeez, I thought I explained it very clearly. Jessica showed her raci.st side. Then on Friday, many black blogger responded with equal racis.t reactions. Then a black blogger commented on why this word hurts and infuriates black people so much. Had she not acted so openly racis.t, I would not have had the opportunity to read responses from black people, and I would not know why the word hurts them so much. Clear now.Report Abuse
Lutokolalubiko
She can appologise all she wants, but I am not fooled. She doesnt mean a single word, while typing her appologies in her heart she is saying, "ka*****, wasting my time". We dont need people like her, she should be kicked out of our country. Bloody Agent.Report Abuse
kilawea
......ha ha ha ha......Is this bimbo the new Julius Sello????........why so much importance to her brain tissue shifted to the top and bottom of her trunk?????.....Do we expect "models" the sharpest pencils in the box??.....Everybody knows the "cattle display contests" choose the best looking bedroom ornaments rather............If she had slapped her offender, that hardly would have been news, assuming her story true.....
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somaartakeit
@cornelius@ somaartakeit.
Afrifo.rum is trying to stop the singing of a song that is advocating the m.urder of w.hite f.armers in a time where f.arm.m.urders are a reality.
Zille instituted a private court action to defend her dignity, against a little tsotsi who went around saying she is sleeping with her entire male cabinet.
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I suppose your desperate attempts at defending the indenfensible and use complete different cases to try validated your arguments, cause you to miss the point that I was ONLY correcting oldlady in also her attempts at trying to justify this behaviuor of jessica by saying 'wh!tes' generally get with it, so I cited the Afri-forum and the Helen Zille case where both parties felt aggrieved by the behaviour of Malema which is considered by most to be racist/derogatory.
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Makhosini0408
cornelius@ somaartakeit.
W.hite people geenerally do not throw their toys out of the cot, tear their hair out, and carry on as if the world has ended when they are called derogatory names, because we do not suffer from a victim mentality.
From your noble statement Sir, can we deduce that, w.hites suffer from years of indocrination intoxication, since (1948). They are mos superior beings and why can they suffer from victim mentality?
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MorenaWaPolelo
somaartakeit@KeRataBasadi
Just also out of curiosity, did the "Rude African monkeys" sexually harrass her aswell ?
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Dude please explain to me, cause now it gets really confusing, just how is it possible to sexually harass a porn model?
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Yah please explain!!! Im also confused!!!
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Tabza325is
@oldlady2, one thing you wont understand is someone just hating you just for the colour of your skin, the KFR word was used as a r@cial h@tred word something you called us out of h@te, until you understand this you can look into most words we use to call white people by Leburu, Ngamla, Lekgoa, M'lungu non of them are out of hatred compared to KFR...Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@oldlady2Somaartakeit, you are more intelligent than this. Afriforum's problem was never with the word bo.er, it was with the calling for ki.lling the bo.er,
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You said 'wh!te ppl don't make a fuss when racial derogatories are thrown at them' and I used Afri forum to show you that you are not entirely truthful in your comment, and it is this insincerity on the part of majority wh!tes like you, when one of your own commits transgression (as in this case) which makes me concl you have no emotional intelligence, or humility to quite understand the severity of the k word to majority black SAns who are still deeply scared by apartheid, but then change on my account, bottom line the anc now doesn't have to campaign cause they've bagged themselves many votes to the despair of the DA which is aiming to capture black voters, so all is fair in love and war mos.
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Wozanami
ughcan we please stop saying "w.hites do this", "b.lacks do that", "i.ndians think this"...?
no matter how angry you are at people who show their racism, you can never label a whole group of people as having the same characteristics.
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KeRataBasadi
@ somaartakeit@KeRataBasadi
Just also out of curiosity, did the "Rude African monkeys" sexually harrass her aswell ?
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Dude please explain to me, cause now it gets really confusing, just how is it possible to sexually harass a porn model?
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I'm confused too, she shows off her assets to the world, surely when men see her they do not want to know how well she's clued up on fracture mechanics but rather her skills in the art of felacio. That does not excuse sexual harassment though, but I have my doubts about what the brother did to warrant such abuse.
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MGEEZ
oldlady2Mgeez, I thought I explained it very clearly. Jessica showed her raci.st side. Then on Friday, many black blogger responded with equal racis.t reactions. Then a black blogger commented on why this word hurts and infuriates black people so much. Had she not acted so openly racis.t, I would not have had the opportunity to read responses from black people, and I would not know why the word hurts them so much. Clear now.
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Whist it is your constitutional right to have a freedom of speech; I think you would have been profound had you remained quite on this matter!!!!
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KeRataBasadi
@ MorenaWaPoleloKeep up.
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The-Rothschilds
How d.umb must you be to not realize that using certain words on a public f0rum where you are well known might be detrim3ntal to your career and future life in general in this country.This girl has no future in this country. No company will want to be associated with her.
This girl should of also realized that she worked in a industry which pr3ys on the t3sticles of men, and therefore any form of s3xual pr0vocation towards her is actually proving that she does her job quite well...............why did she complain in the first place?
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tumzangwana
just save your "apologies" asseblief. no one is interested in them. lefoko ga le boe go boa monwana nnana. o buile o buile.Report Abuse
candilious
PointmanOn the bright side - at least most of us are in the middle ground which is good. Kul! Roberts got the same treatment for her rac!st take on "coloreds".
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@MommaC- point on ....
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mambaaai
candilious its just not good for our society .... and Im glad to see people that have done this stuff come undone....Report Abuse
Decibels
yeah..and I bet some of your best are friends are black you salem witch.Report Abuse
SIMSWOP
I H.ATE READING ONE SAME OLD STORY WEEK IN WEEK OUTReport Abuse
oldlady2
Tabza325is, I agree with what you say, and that is what the blogger on Friday taught me. That the word was used in ha.te against black people, and that's why they now ha.te it so much. Mgeez, I don't get your response. As a young person, born into all the technolegy you have today,and born into fre.edom of speech, you have no idea what it means to someone my age to actually be interacting openly with someone who can explain me things I was never allowed to know.Somaartakeit, once again, Afriforum did not make a fuss about a RACIAL derogatory term. It was the calling to K.ill. Be it K.ill the b.oer, k.ill the whi.te person, k.ill the oppressors, k.ill the whatever. If you cannot understand that, you would never be able to see the difference.
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somaartakeit
I don't know why does it need so much pressure and withdrawal of the sponsors in order for the majority defending this racist girl to see that it is unacceptable to use k word as a direct result of racist history,I was really hurt that, some defending this, say that ja but there is a farm murders there is r@pe etc and yet jessica is not a murder or r@pe victim, to me this defense translate to that, its okay to be a racist cause there violent crime is out of control, black folk can you see the predicament the anc has landed all of us in?
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NevusAuvius
Racist or not hai maan she knows how to pose.Report Abuse
MommaC
oldlady2Its more than just the context that word was used in.
The use of derogatory racial names is to make the race appear 'inhuman' or some kind of sub species. Murdering your neighbour is a difficult thing to do, exterminating a 'cockroach' is easier. That is why the first step in any genocide is to separate humans by using names that separate them from being seen as human. Its not purely a racial issue (think Gypseys, Jews, Rwanda etc) but it is easier to create a 'them vs us' mentality if there are distinguishing characteristics to begin with
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The-Rothschilds
oldlady2Tabza325is, I agree with what you say, and that is what the blogger on Friday taught me. That the word was used in ha.te against black people, and that's why they now ha.te it so much. Mgeez, I don't get your response. As a young person, born into all the technolegy you have today,and born into fre.edom of speech, you have no idea what it means to someone my age to actually be interacting openly with someone who can explain me things I was never allowed to know.
Somaartakeit, once again, Afriforum did not make a fuss about a RACIAL derogatory term. It was the calling to K.ill. Be it K.ill the b.oer, k.ill the whi.te person, k.ill the oppressors, k.ill the whatever. If you cannot understand that, you would never be able to see the difference.
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It is still debatable whether "sh00t the bo3r" is h4te speech because the ANC is currently challenging this notion. But as things stands, we have all accepted that the K word is h4te speech. There is no justification for using it. Therefore dont expect any court to defend you if you get caught.
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DeCock01
Fvck this racist b!tch!! Sexual harassment is no excuse for throwing racial remarks...You fvcken pose half naked on a mens magazine...obviously men are attracted to you....and they will throw sexual remarks to you...you just made it clear that you dont want black people to throw sexual remarks to you...that makes you a fvcked up racist b!tch...go to hell...Report Abuse
oldlady2
Somaartakeit, I'd lov.e to kn.ow wh.ere, on this bl.og, he.re, tod.ay, you are read.ing any def.ence to w.hat this girl did? Plea.se enlig.hten me.Report Abuse
MommaC
candiliousHey there doll.
I see they are intent on milking this for every drop. You guys with an 'oversupply' situation in the Cape didn't even get an apology - maybe Jessica should apply for a governmental spokesman job :)
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oldlady2
MommaC, thank you, but none of you seem to be getting me today. I never understood where the ha.te of the word comes from. A black blogger on Friday taught me where it comes from. I appreaciate the lesson. What's so wrong in that.The-Rothschild, go read our constitution. It clearly states advocating violence against anyone is h.ate speech, and if calling for k.illing is not calling for violence anymore in SA, then I'm very glad I won't be aroun much longer.
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The-Rothschilds
Morning DeCock :) so much anger on a Monday morning because of a stup!d bimbo? I would h4te to see how u would behave if you caught your lady with another man on Monday morning :)Report Abuse
MommaC
oldlady2Nothing wrong with it dear. Sommar is just itching for a fight again or she just doesn't like us old dogs to learn new tricks :)
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somaartakeit
@DeCock01You every woman/girl the world over has had experience of being sexually harassed at some point or another, some even younger than jessica, but they did they respond by being racist?
Jessica was in a place where she had power over alleged sexual harasser, cause she should have reported him to his manager, not going on twitter and unleash her racist nature.
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NevusAuvius
DeCock01Fvck this racist b!tch!! Sexual harassment is no excuse for throwing racial remarks...You fvcken pose half naked on a mens magazine
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fotsek wena you are attracted to her thina we swallow saliva for her.
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DeCock01
You pose half naked in a mens magazine and expect us men not to make sexual gestures to you....this thing must pay man!! I h@te these racist p!gs!!Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@MommaColdlady2
Nothing wrong with it dear. Sommar is just itching for a fight again or she just doesn't like us old dogs to learn new tricks :)
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I often wonder why you didn't go to your normal blog with your friends majority of whom defending racist jessica instead you come to SOwetan and pretend to be all that? Why wld I want a fight with you or oldlady? just what is so special about the 2 of you? please don't be so vain, this abt jessica making derogatory remarks which I like most offended by it object to, now you want my attention why? didnt' you husband give you some attention over the week-end?
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SteveBiko
shame P.W Botha must be proud of you girl.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@DeCock01You pose half naked in a mens magazine and expect us men not to make sexual gestures to you....this thing must pay man!! I h@te these racist p!gs!!
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and what is worse men old enough to be her grandpa used her images in the magazine to masturbate, hence I said, how is it possible to sexually harass a porn star?
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somaartakeit
@SteveBikoshame P.W Botha must be proud of you girl.
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LoL the ones most proud and feeling vindicated are the anc, cause warned us that they will rule till jesus christ comes, they must have been counting on the jessicas to unleash their racist selves.
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oldlady2
NevusAvius, and calling a woman a bi.tch is not se.xist? Now please explain me how se.xism is any better than ra.cism, and how it makes you any better than her?Report Abuse
OPTIMIST
You are Racist Leandra there is nothing that can take that away from you, it is part of you, it is in your nature. Your mother must be very proud of you.Report Abuse
The-Rothschilds
oldlady2MommaC, thank you, but none of you seem to be getting me today. I never understood where the ha.te of the word comes from. A black blogger on Friday taught me where it comes from. I appreaciate the lesson. What's so wrong in that.
The-Rothschild, go read our constitution. It clearly states advocating violence against anyone is h.ate speech, and if calling for k.illing is not calling for violence anymore in SA, then I'm very glad I won't be aroun much longer.
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Our constitution says that yes................but "shoot the bo3r" has liberation status which could help the ANC prove that the song is not h4te speech, particularly in a society where the majority would vote in favour of such a notion. But the "K" word, like it or not, is unacceptable, unconstitutional and illegal.
My advise to you, forget about ever using the K word or defending it, take your black brothers & sisters hands, kiss them and say sorry for the disgusting behavior of this cum bucket model!
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MommaC
somaartakeitWhat is this new thing where every thought seems to come out of your panties?
Old Lady was confused about why you are attacking her and I gave my opinion. What the hell does that have to do with my husband?
I came to Sowetan a long time ago. Even before the Times comments section (its not a 'blog') became a joke. It is also amusing that you found comments defending this on the Times as they didn't open the story for comment.
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BaleliM
The fact that you made a statement of it means it is your nature. what you did not expect was an uproar of your comment.People must just learn to think before they say anything.
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oldlady2
Somaartakeit, once again, please explain me where I, MommaC, or anyone else here today defended this girl's words. You're staring yourself so blind against the pigments of your imagination that you simply cannot read properly today. No husband dear. Long buried. Only you.Report Abuse
KeRataBasadi
She was born this way.Report Abuse
DeCock01
The-RothschildsMorning mate....the other part I refuse to see....
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somaartakeit
@MommaCsomaartakeit
What is this new thing where every thought seems to come out of your panties?
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whose panties your panties I suppose? hehee you perve girl you, I shld take you to court for sexually harassing me when I am not even betting for same team, shame on you, lol
@oldlady2 to suggest that black ppl shouldn't be offended or rather like wh!te ppl should shrugg this off is an attempt to defend it, and now please expl where did I say MC defends jessica more than I said in other news outlets since this broke out MAJORITY white online bloggers are defending this jessica racist issue, or are you going to deny that as well or suggest that we shrugg it off?
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somaartakeit
@KeRataBasadiShe was born this way.
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LoL therefore the anc shall rule till jesus christ comes back... they must have known, lol
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
No matter how much I was pro.voked, I do ackno.wledge that it was an inapp.ropriate rea.ction to the incident.Leandra said she had decided to get profes.sional coa.ching to help her deal with ins.tances of s.e.x.ual haras.sment.
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What a reaction.............. Ra.cial profanities for se.x.u.al harra.sment........... You could have called him a pest not a k...........
Good to see that you family has taken empowerment by a notch, you even trai.n your pe.ts to be pe.trol atte.ndants (SMH*
Leandra you lost big time, not only your ti.tle but your intergrity as well ...............
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HappyEver
South Africa,Leandra is sorry, any one can do mistake, just we can not withdraw words, but fingers. This is a lesson for her and other,Report Abuse
oldlady2
The-Rothschild, I knew the K word is unacceptable, unconstitunional and illegal. I only appreaciate that I now know WHY it hurt black people so much. As for the rest, we shall wait and see if the past is more important than the present or the future. I believe the outcome will be that the song may be used in celebrations of historical events etc, but not in modern day activism, but we'll wait and see. I won't apologise for the behaviour of this girl. Her mistake, her apology.Report Abuse
DeCock01
somaartakeitwhat angers me the most is that she even took time to post this garbage on twitter...she has quite a nerve...she could have at least while typing her racist garbage came to her senses and thought....ohhh....this is going to get me into trouble...but oh no...she has the outmost disrespect of SAns that she deemed it necessary to pollute our country with her racist beliefs...she has quite a nerve...
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DeCock01The-Rothschilds
Morning mate....the other part I refuse to see....
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apologize for the behaviour of this girl, please bare in mind, not everyone is like her man. I know you are deeply hurt from her comments.
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Dzel
In her initial tweet she said, “well took on an arro.gant and disre.spectful ...”. It makes no mention of se.x.ual hara.ssment or a guy swinging his hips in a se.xual manner and making funny sounds as she claimed later so I have serious reservations about the “apology”. From her words I get an impression she got into an argu.ment with the said gentleman and was offended by his arrog.ance. Clearly she invented the sex.ual harassment later to justify her actions; she comes across as someone who thinks bl.acks must know their place as they are subs.ervient to whi.tes. This is corroborated by another tweet where she referred to another “che.eky” petrol attendant whom she labelled as a mo.nkey, one clearly sees a pattern of rac.ially ab.usive la.nguage and in both instances she advocates the use of vio.lence against the “offen.ders”.So instead of a genuine apol.ogy she seeks solace in another ra.cist stereotype; bl.ack men are rap.ists. That’s three separate occasions where she proves she is a ra.cist yet she wants us to believe she is innocent?
The iro.ny of it all is this is a woman who takes pictures of a se.x.ually provo.cative nature for a living and wants us to believe she is a naive little girl? Men je.rk-off to your pictures darling; surely se.xual harassment is an occupational hazard as it is your duty to make men ri.se to the occasion?
She deserves to be str.ipped of everything, I would feel sorry for her had her apology been genuine but she thinks we are idi.ots. If she feels hard done by then she must get CCTV footage from the Spar so we can see this guy swinging his hips suggestively but like I said her version of events is a bit shaky. .
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@swonayou not alone most SAcans are just like you! pity u lost sponsorship!
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She used a wrong medeium to express herslef and got caught..........
Irony is that she was born 2 years after Mandela was released from prison........ so she is more of "democracy baby"........... her action are a reflection of what she was taught
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somaartakeit
@HappyEverSouth Africa,Leandra is sorry, any one can do mistake, just we can not withdraw words, but fingers. This is a lesson for her and other,
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hey hallo!!! this is not a mistake its deliberate act to hurt or humiliate and it got desired results, fortunately her sponsors will tolerate this behaviour, jessica wldnt' have been sorry if the sponsors didn't withdraw sponsorship, in the same way that she blogged the other time about 'African monkeys' refering to black petrol attendants was that a mistake as well? if you ask me this girl is prone to making racist mistakes everytime things dont' go her way...
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DeCock01somaartakeit
what angers me the most is that she even took time to post this garbage on twitter...she has quite a nerve...she could have at least while typing her racist garbage came to her senses and thought....ohhh....this is going to get me into trouble...but oh no...she has the outmost disrespect of SAns that she deemed it necessary to pollute our country with her racist beliefs...she has quite a nerve...
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Its living proof that blonde's are as d.umb as the "urban legend" about blondes in general.
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DeCock01
Racism starts when we see people by the colour of their skins...let us see each other as human beings...or corpses if we have to...but not colour...we will go a long way as a united front...once you say "I will kick his wh!te face...or I will kick his black @ss....you are walking a tight line my friends...lets just punch each other...put colour aside...it has no bearing...i dont care if you back or wh!te....just kick his face and get on with it...I sincerely despise racial stereotypes...
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MORNACHIESS
Racit k@k ..........She is so stupid like nothing on earth .Report Abuse
oldlady2
Somaartakeit, and where did I suggest that black people should not be offended? You're reading between the lines today friend, and you're reading wrong. How on God's loving earth, can I, as a white person, who never lived a black person's life for one single day, tell them how to feel or react concerning their past? I only read this blog. And then some Afrikaans newspapers over the weekend, all condeming her words. Please, if you have information of people condoning her words, provide me with the information of where to go read it. Remember, my question to you was where did anyone, me included, on this blog, here, today, defend her words? If you want to attach the people defending her, here's my suggestion, go to that forum and attack the cuplrits, not the ones on this blog who just happen to be wh.ite. It makes you no better than her.Report Abuse
HappyEver
@SomaartakeitSomaar, wena ga idiri mistakes? We all do mistakes maan, who are we to judge her South Africa,Sommar Please have a place in your heart to forgive her, my love.
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@MommaColdlady2
Believe you me she knew what you explained above already!!!!! Nobody in this forum today misunderstood her at all, instead we are seeing through her and what her intentions are.
Have you met a White South African that acknowledges that they were the benficiaries of Apartheid (if you did that was one in million), how about a one who would acknowedges that it was an evil system, yet despite having such knowledge they still went ahead and voted for the NATS (that would be one in 2 Million). Instead of trying to understand why black people are offended by the word; why don't you (oldlady) try to understand your hypocritical behavior first!!! Jessica was raised like that and the only difference between her and many south africans like old lady is that she has come out in the open and because of that, she stands a good chance to be genuinely rehabilitated, the rest are racist to the core and you will only see that when the going gets tough. Old lady; stop patronising us; I am not deceived by you and your likes, As I said your silence in this regard would have been profound and a demonstration of intellect on your part!!!
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MOTHUBANNYO
Morning AllBlame her parents cos that's how she was raised, Period
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somaartakeit
@Dzel"If she feels hard done by then she must get CCTV footage from the Spar so we can see this guy swinging his hips suggestively but ...." why did she not report this man to the management of Spar if she felt so offended by his behaviour or did she think its acceptable for staff at any business to conduct themselves in the way she said he did? But then as you say, her job is to make men horny, so what's the problem now that they are responding accordingly?
I have said here the other day, these women posing naked and doing stuff like that, make it very hard for feminists such as myself to argue favourable on sexual harassment cases such as this one.
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HappyEver
MOTHUBANNYOMorning All
Blame her parents cos that's how she was raised, Period
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If all people can can see it that way, South Africa will be a better place.
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@oldlady2Somaartakeit, and where did I suggest that black people should not be offended?
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what did you mean when you in your original comment you said, wh!te ppl don't get offended when they are called names? when in fact they do get offended, its only human.
@Happyever, if she were sincere in her apology, I forgave and I now even like De Klerk cause his apology about apartheid was sincere and he has since been working alongside SAn leaders for a better SA for all. But Jessica here is taking us for fools cause hers is as trend, its not the first she publicly make derogatory. ke tla mtswarelela anyele jessica wateng, lol
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mambaaai
MOTHUBANNYOshe tweeted, she did it, she has paid for it..... and looks like she has learned from it.......
Her parents may well have done a good job raising her... she did it for her own unintelligent reasons ... people must take responsability for their own stuff.....
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The-Rothschildsapologize for the behaviour of this girl, please bare in mind, not everyone is like her man. I know you are deeply hurt from her comments.
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I know man...but we sincerely need to move on from such things...its just wrong...me and you always fight here but never have we threw racial innuendos to each other...we can swear and cuss at each other but race has nothing to do with it...
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MommaC
MGEEZYou do know that I'm white, ne?
How would she know if nobody told her? We had a system that kept us all completely separate from each other.
Just as you have absolutely no idea what it was like to be a white South African during that time, so too do very few white people have any idea of what it was like to be a black South African during that time.
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HappyEver
@SomaarKikiki. o gatvol ka yena kikikiki
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somaartakeit
@HappyEver no my dear aki gatvol I just want her to take responsibility and those defending her to stop that, cause it only escalate the anger of those feeling aggrieved by jessica's tweet, for the big part with time I have no doubt go re retla mtswarelela like h3ll like we did with our grootb@@s de Klerk, lolReport Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@oldlady2MommaC, thank you, but none of you seem to be getting me today
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I get you.......
I hope the flogging will stop as the horse is actually dead
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DeCock01The-Rothschilds
apologize for the behaviour of this girl, please bare in mind, not everyone is like her man. I know you are deeply hurt from her comments.
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I know man...but we sincerely need to move on from such things...its just wrong...me and you always fight here but never have we threw racial innuendos to each other...we can swear and cuss at each other but race has nothing to do with it...
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Ive never cursed you man :)
Debate is healthy..........................there is not right or wrong, we have to debate to find a middle ground...............that is the foundation of democracy!
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oldlady2
Mgeez, shame, you really don't remember what you read in the past, do you? I was a bene.ficiary of Apar.theid, said so many times. Told JJQ just the other day that it's her turn now, and rig.htly so, she should enjoy it. It was more that just an ev.il sy.stem, and yes, the maj.ority of wh.ite.s went ah.ead and vot.ed for this ev.il system, the sa.me as the maj.ority toda.y is vo.ting for an ev.il sys.tem. Somed.ay their eyes will op.en too, and they'll also reali.se that politic.ians are only about thems.elves, no one else. But you make a mist.ake on the kno.wledge part. TV started in SA only in 1975. No cell phones. No soc.ial med.ia. Children were se.en and not he.ard. Wh.ite child.ren dar.ed not have put their nos.es into any kin.ds of polit.ics. Mgeez, here's a thought for yo.ur day. We are only a hand.ful of whi.te people regu.larly rea.ding and resp.onding on this blog. We read racis.t comments like pi.nk pi.gs etc all the time, yet we st.ick around. Why do you think that is? Beca.use here we get the opp.ortunity to learn more abo.ut our black broth.ers and sist.ers to unders.tand where they are coming from, I've lea.rnt many lessons here. I initially agr.eed with Zille on her educat.ional ref.ugees statement until JJQ exp.lained me about blac.ks having hom.es with all their ext.ended family, and I unde.rstood why the word ref.ugee was used inco.rrectly. So please, now you also stop your raci.st tenda.ncies to think that every white person thinks and does the same.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@MommaCMGEEZ
You do know that I'm white, ne?
How would she know if nobody told her? We had a system that kept us all completely separate from each other.
Just as you have absolutely no idea what it was like to be a white South African during that time, so too do very few white people have any idea of what it was like to be a black South African during that time.
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There you go again taking us (black folks) for fools, we worked for you in your homes we know how you guys swung then and we know how you swing now, the only ones not understanding us is you guys (wh!te folk) you are not even making an attempt to understand us, then how cld you guys (majority of you) possibly understand what is offensive and what is a boundary iro what can be said/done to us?
And this failure to intergrate and have emotional intelligence is the reason the anc is confident that they will rule SA till Jesus Christ comes back, cause they know that's how it has been in other african states that you guys failed to intergrate and they are confident that you will fail here too, hence 'ruling till christ comes back'
Do you guys actually realise how much votes this 'k' word has cost the DA so far...? so don't be surprised in the up coming elections when the anc sails thru again.
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mambaaaiMOTHUBANNYO
she tweeted, she did it, she has paid for it..... and looks like she has learned from it.......
Her parents may well have done a good job raising her... she did it for her own unintelligent reasons ... people must take responsability for their own stuff.....
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Perhaps her parents should of lobbied her to go to varsity to gain some real intelligence rather than believing that by her using her p.ussy as a commodity would teach her the common sense of never using the K word ever or being openly racist in SA would be of any benefit to her.
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somaartakeit
@MsKinkyakaKamaSutra@oldlady2
MommaC, thank you, but none of you seem to be getting me today
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I get you.......
I hope the flogging will stop as the horse is actually dead
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Sorry doll this horse is not dead until the fat lady sings....lol seriously this is one of the many issues we must not allow ourselves to sweep it under the carpet, in the same way that most of us stood up for what's right against malema, this my friends is the only way we can help the jessicas to rehabilitate themselves. We must suppress a debate cause it makes some uncomfortable, we must face our fears and deal with them.
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Dzel
@HappyEverSouth Africa,Leandra is sorry, any one can do mistake, just we can not withdraw words, but fingers. This is a lesson for her and other,
She is sorry she got caught; her apology is an exercise is damage control rather than a genuine heart-felt apology.
Like I said she tweeted rac.ist comment on two separate occasions involving two separate individuals and in both cases she was rac.ially abu.sive and advocated vio.lence. She then goes on to li.e about what actually happened to provoke her adding salt to injury by using a rac.ist stere.otype to create an impression she was a victim and to justify her actions.
Tell me again why should I accept her apology as a bla.ck man whom she has indirectly called the k-word, a rap.ist and someone who must be spoken to like a gar.den boy failure of which must be put in his place using vio.lence?
Do you know how many men are physically abused by their wh.ite employers especially far.mers, is this the South Africa we should espouse to? It is a string of ra.cist attitudes towards bl.ack people that make me believe she is a hardened rac.ist, not someone who is being punished for one isolated incid.ent involving by ra.ge.
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somaartakeit
last para shld read we must NOT suppress debate cause others are uncomfortable about it, we must make it so uncomfortable for the racists that they think a million times before doing stuff like that.Report Abuse
RobinH
Stup id stu pid wo man. I'm thrilled that her spo nsors and maga zine are reje cting her. Hopefully it will pene trate that th ick sku ll that such thi nking is compl etely unac ceptable. It was no mistake. The woman used disgus ting language that exposed her subco nscious res ponses. One remark like this from some dum b bim bo does more harm to race relations in our country than a thousand Malemas.Report Abuse
HappyEver
@Somaar:I understand, put my point is she said it, it was wrong, and now she is sorry and seeking help to deal with the circumstance, cant we accept her apology South Africa and move on, Somaar i reads comments every day mo sowetan our own African bloggers are making racial statements among themselves even to white fellows, but no one says any thing about it, even sowetan seems to enjoy it because it doesnt bother to block those who are making such comments.
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MommaC
somaartakeitI once worked for an Indian guy. That doesn't make me an expert on Indians. I also worked for a Greek. I wouldn't call myself an expert on them either.
Unless you think you are white, you don't know what being white is. I don't think I'm black so I am fully aware that I will never really know what it is like to be black. I can work, socialise, live with or ignore black people but I can NEVER experience what it is like to be in their skin.
A white bimbo with the brains of a retarded tick can hardly be considered as a political milestone
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Jessica Leandra'Ur sincere remorse' my foot ,that was from ur heart's depth.
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oldlady2
Somaartakeit, what I meant when I said that wh.ite people don't get easily offended when they're cal.led names, is exactly that. We don't. Maybe because for centuries we were not at the receiving end of raci.sm. Maybe because apartheid didn't allow for us to be called names. Maybe because for centuries we were never opp.ressed. Maybe because we learn from small "stick and stones can break my bones..", Maybe for a hundred different reasons, but we just don't. So, I was not trying to suggest that black people should also be like that. I was simply saying that in my "culture", we don't, which makes it difficult to understand why other "cultures" (through lack of a better word) do. This blogger on Friday explained me very clearly where the ha.te of this word by black people come from, and I was appreaciating now having that knowledge.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@HappyEver it is really noble of you to have this reconcilliatory spirit, but please don't try to forgive her on behalf of many of those offended by her tweet, give them space and time to forgive her in their own terms/time cause now forgiving on behalf of others like it was done in the TRC has not gotten us anywhere instead the transgressors have become so arrogant and even prescribing what should/not be upsetting for us. So girl you are threading on dangerous ground but ke tla go tswarelela wa ku tlwa mos? lolReport Abuse
Wozanami
somaar, i do believe you have let h.ate take you over.Good luck with that.
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MommaC
HappyEverI don't think she is sorry. Her subsequent tweets seem to suggest that she cannot understand that she did anything wrong. That is possibly the saddest part of all of this
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somaartakeit
@oldlady2Somaartakeit, what I meant when I said that wh.ite people don't get easily offended when they're cal.led names, is exactly that. We don't.
----------------------------------------------why do you insist on being untruthful? oldlady2 if you really know what's best you'd take advice of the other blogger and refrain from further escalating hard feelings on those offended by use of this word, if ppl chose to be angry quickly/slowly or not be offended at all its their decision/choice, let them!
Bottom line usage of word k is outlawed and am glad that jessica has been taken to court for using it now its up to the courts to decide on her guilt or not.
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The-Rothschilds
RobinHStup id stu pid wo man. I'm thrilled that her spo nsors and maga zine are reje cting her. Hopefully it will pene trate that th ick sku ll that such thi nking is compl etely unac ceptable. It was no mistake. The woman used disgus ting language that exposed her subco nscious res ponses. One remark like this from some dum b bim bo does more harm to race relations in our country than a thousand Malemas.
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The difference is, is that this girl is of no real threat to SA. Malema is his current racist form is a threat to SA..........which is why im glad the ANC made the right decision.
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rasefatee
ngwana wa noga ke ---------nogana her apology won’t change anything this is exactly a white people attitude towards black people i would have kicked the thing between her legs mooer tshekReport Abuse
oldlady2
Sommartakeit, and there you go gen.eralising too. I grew up on an existen.ce farm.. No elect.ricity. No run.ning wat.er, except to run to go fetch it. Hou.se built from sooie, by han.d. A longd.rop as a toil.et, got my first p.air of sho.es in STD 9,and certa.inly no black wor.kers. Never even had the opportunity to play with blac.k chil.dren as a child.Report Abuse
Wozanami
MommaCI don't think this model is sorry either.
You don't make this kind of "accident" twice. In fact, unless you ARE racist, you would never even consider using that word.
IMO this focus on one racist is daft. Let he go and fade into obscurity where she belongs.
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Mdovu
Well Jess take a long vacation to Dutchland or where ever your ancestors originate from? My Advice: This is Africa and have your realized it belongs to Black People...Report Abuse
HappyEver
THE- ROTHSCHILDSLeandra versus Julias, loud and clear
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oldlady2
Somaartakeit, we don't get ea.sily h.urt by rac.ist words, and I'll stand by that till the day I d.ie. As I do not know how a black person feels and reacts, so you do not understand how a white peson feels and reacts. Hope you've read the rest of what i've had to say too, because today you really seem to be just reading what you want to read. Agree with you though that I'm glad the courts will deal with her stup.idity and rac.ism from here onwards.Report Abuse
The-Rothschilds
MdovuWell Jess take a long vacation to Dutchland or where ever your ancestors originate from? My Advice: This is Africa and have your realized it belongs to Black People...
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People in Holland do not behave the way this girl has, they would reject her there as well.
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Dzel
oldlady,This blogger on Friday explained me very clearly where the ha.te of this word by black people come from, and I was appreaciating now having that knowledge.
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May I ask what his explanation was?
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somaartakeit
@oldlady2Sommartakeit, and there you go gen.eralising too. I grew up on an existen.ce farm.. No elect.ricity. No run.ning wat.er, except to run to go fetch it. Hou.se built from sooie, by han.d. A longd.rop as a toil.et, got my first p.air of sho.es in STD 9,and certa.inly no black wor.kers. Never even had the opportunity to play with blac.k chil.dren as a child.
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You shld write a book you have such a wild imagination, cause in SA there is NOT one single wh!te house hold that didnt' have a black servant, cause it was cheap and exploitable to the preditory employers, lets not even get there cause right now your story is unimportant what is of imporance is that jessica annoyed most ppl in SA as a direct result of her bad upbringing, the sooner the courts decide on her guilt the better cause then all those defending it will see the era of their ways, and hopefully that will deter them from doign same to their children, cause they will also end up like Jessica.
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oldlady2
Somaartakeit, and if other bloggers want to react like you, and only read what they want to read, so be it too. You certainly won't intimidate me into expressing my opinions. I'll keep on saying I now appreaciate knowing why the word hurts black people so much. And I'll keep on saying it right here.Report Abuse
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I am not buying the apparent apology of yours. Come on now, you have posed half-naked on FHM that on itself classifies you as a sex object. Like it or not, sex object is what society has labeled females of your profession. With that said, sexual remarks and sounds are not a new thing to you.Report Abuse
LBS
@ALL trying to take the moral high ground - you are failing dismally!!We got rid of one racist bigot in motormouth malema and now Jessica Leandra has also sunk herself, career and reputation because of stupidity/arrogance and ignorance.
Serves her right - we don't need her type here anymore than we did malema!!
For those of you who think you 'know' how the whole White race thinks - you don't!
For those who think it's alright to pass sexual innuendo about this woman - it's NOT!
For those of you who think you're ENTITLED to pass racist remarks about the whole White race - you're NOT.
By passing uncalled-for/unsubstantiated comments here you are no better than the 2 previously mentioned idiots and their utterances.
The ONLY thing you show is that you are clearly 'balanced' with a chip on each shoulder!
IF the cap fit's wear it!!
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MommaC
somaartakeitBULL
First black employee that my parents had was when I was in high school. Us kids did the work.
WHO IS DEFENDING THIS ????????
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somaartakeit
@MdovuWell Jess take a long vacation to Dutchland or where ever your ancestors originate from? My Advice: This is Africa and have your realized it belongs to Black People...
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Well Mdovu did you know that the Nethe rlands is in fact the MOST liberal country in Eu rope which has no tole rance for the racists like Jessica? and you shld also know that Jessica Leandre is no Dutch desce ndant, her last name is more Portuguese so I know that most black ppl are convinced that wh!tes perpe tuating racism are Afrik aners of Du tch descent which is nto true, cause wh!tes who came to/stayed and stayed in SA during apar theid, were ONLY there for the privilege apar theid affor ded them, the parents of Jessica fit in that category, these have not come to terms with the fact that apart heid is no more.
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oldlady2
Somaartakeit, MY household didn't. Believe it or not, it's the truth. Go read a few books about where I grew up. Circles in a Forest will explain it very nicely to you. Not ONE SINGLE white household there ever had a black servant. My grandfather chopped wood with an axe to make a living. Defnitely no money to pay any servant of any colour. Meat only once a week. You didn't grow up in the depression years, I take.Report Abuse
MommaC
The-RothschildsHolland is changing fast though. There is a lot of intolerance between the Muslims and the locals at the moment so I'm not too sure that it is going to stay as liberal as it has been
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RobinH
Rothschilds. I was merely using a form of expression. Obviously a dumbcluck like this is a nothing. However, she created quite a media storm because she is the pinu[p on half the male walls in the country, and as we know, a lot of men are governed by something other than their brains. So she creates an impression that "white people" think the way she does. Therein lies the harm. Surely you can see this. And I mean harm to right-minded SAns who do NOT accept racism.Report Abuse
Makhosini0408
“I h@te racial discrimination most intensely and all its manifestations. I have fought all my life; I fight now, and will do so until the end of my days. Even although I now happen to be tried by one, whose opinion I hold in high esteem, I detest most violently the set-up that surrounds me here. It makes me feel that I am a Bl@ck man in a W.hite man's court. This should not be I should feel perfectly at ease and at home with the assurance that I am being tried by a fellow South African, who does not regard me as an inferior, entitled to a special type of justice.” Nelson Mandela.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@oldlady2Somaartakeit, "MY household didn't. Believe it or not, it's the truth.." and just to recap the discussion is about Jessica and racism okay? please don't be so vain, I know you have this need to tell us abt you and your imagined family life.
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RobinH
MommaC: I agree with your opinion, that she isn't in the least sorry about her attitude, but is indeed sorry about the effect it has had on her "career" as lust queen of a million men. And indeed, her apparent inablity to grasp what the problem actually is speaks volumes.Report Abuse
The-Rothschilds
This situation is just so sad. Us wh!te people complain about street name changes, songs, totally pathetic issues etc yet we dont realize how lucky we are, how after a system of apartheid, the black majority have allowed us to live our colonial lifestyles (of which most are still our servants), a lifestyle that is considered royalty by European standards.We should be l!cking black a55 for the lifestyle we have been allowed to inherit. The game is so easy in this country. We live so well here, all we have to do is play by the rules, and its seriously not difficult rules. And we get people like this like Jessica who can really screw it all up for all of us.
Is it really that difficult not to be a racist? I mean come on, for the life most of us have over here, i would rather be having a bell's with my black brother over Queen Elizabeth, who would of chased me out of her country had the same historical events happened in England.
This girl is a disgrace! Jessica, one ticket, one settler, bugger off!
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MissBhakajuju
if she was really s.exually ha.rrased, she should have passed those remarks on their f.aces & let everything boil, inside Spar.if its t.r.ue, lebona, they must learn to keep their d.i.rty r.e.marks to themselves, doesn't matter is she was walking around n.a.k.ed or what, their duty is a.s.s.ist when they're asked to.
i personally don't care what a w.h.i.te. t.r.a.s.h thinks of me, as they're not a f.a.ctor to me at all. what they s.a.y or t.h.i.n.k won't change the s.hape of my n.o.se.
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@The-RothschildsMdovu
Well Jess take a long vacation to Dutchland or where ever your ancestors originate from? My Advice: This is Africa and have your realized it belongs to Black People...
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People in Holland do not behave the way this girl has, they would reject her there as well.
Rothschilds is right on this one, Neatherlanders are a relaxed nation and more open minded than SA Dutchs also have a lot of mixed marriages.
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Dzel
oldlady,So you gre.w up in Kn.ysna. We had to re.ad that b.ook alb.eit the Afr.ika.ans versi.on Krin.ge in di.e B.os, Saul Barnard and his adve.ntures.
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@MommaCThe-Rothschilds
Holland is changing fast though. There is a lot of intolerance between the Muslims and the locals at the moment so I'm not too sure that it is going to stay as liberal as it has been
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This is has nothing to do with racism but a religious war (silent) engulfing the world not just the Netherlands, on the other hand in teh UK nazism is at an all time high, even a certain BBC presenter Kilroy I think his last name was was fired for making what is regarded as racist and h@teful remarks he went and started out or joined a British National Party which is making waves in the UK for its racists tendencies against ethnic minorities whether they are muslim or not.
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Makhosini0408
Surely, we are bigger and wiser than this "little girl", who is learning how costly it is to shoot from the hip.Let us not allow her utterances to further allienate ourselves from each other. Let us not resort to classifying ourselves to "us and them", it is counter revolutionary comrades.
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Mdovu
Tabza325is@The-Rothschilds
Mdovu
Well Jess take a long vacation to Dutchland or where ever your ancestors originate from? My Advice: This is Africa and have your realized it belongs to Black People...
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People in Holland do not behave the way this girl has, they would reject her there as well.
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@Tabza325is' don't care she must just go back! Finish & Klaar
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MOTHUBANNYO
she tweeted, she did it, she has paid for it..... and looks like she has learned from it.......
Her parents may well have done a good job raising her... she did it for her own unintelligent reasons ... people must take responsability for their own stuff.....
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I blame her parents because remember what you say or do in your children's presence they also will emmulate you and again I wonder what would she have said if the guy was white, indian or coloured - anyway remember a black shouldn't lust or look at a white woman according to some white racists.
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MommaC
somaartakeitNot really. The people who are of arabian decent are all lumped together in the bigotry so it becomes more racial than religion. Its all the same thing just with minor differences in titles.
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oldlady2
Somaartakeit, thank you for reminding yourself too that this is about raci.sm as YOU, once again brought up the subject of black servants in every white household. You are becoming so JJQ today.Dzel, yes, Knysna. As to your other question (and I actually think it was you who offered this information - correct me if I'm wrong) this blogger explained how the word was used in conjuction with insults such as " jou fo.kken d.om k..., vandag mo.er ek jou dood.." (my words, can't remember his exactly) before violence and humiliation was used against them. The degrading words were mostly followed by degrading actions as well.
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@somaartakeit@MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@oldlady2
MommaC, thank you, but none of you seem to be getting me today
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I get you.......
I hope the flogging will stop as the horse is actually dead
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Sorry doll this horse is not dead until the fat lady sings....lol seriously this is one of the many issues we must not allow ourselves to sweep it under the carpet, in the same way that most of us stood up for what's right against malema, this my friends is the only way we can help the jessicas to rehabilitate themselves. We must suppress a debate cause it makes some uncomfortable, we must face our fears and deal with them.
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Sthandwa, we cant sweep racims or any kind of .......ism under the carpet. You misunderstood me.... my blog was to oldlady2's initial blog that she now has a better understanding is to why the k.. word is so degoratory and hurtful (to bl.cks) as she never understood the context of how and why it was used ........
Since out interaction (on the blog), you know I loathe any ........isms.........
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somaartakeit
@Makhosini048 ualright? :-) anyway my view is that the jessicas broke the peace accord post T.R.C as a direct result of their arrogance and ignorance, now its up to them really to fix it, majority of us are concentrating on the economic empowe rment call, cause at hte end of the day that is the ONLY thing that matters now. naturally we are deliberating on political alternatives that will deliver us to that.Report Abuse
MommaC
RobinHShe genuinely doesn't seem to understand that she said anything wrong. That is just crazy. It makes you wonder just how arrogant and self absorbed she is and how small her world must be. The fact that there are thousands of followers on this twits tweets is beyond belief
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Mdovu
somaartakeit@Mdovu
Well Jess take a long vacation to Dutchland or where ever your ancestors originate from? My Advice: This is Africa and have your realized it belongs to Black People...
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Well Mdovu did you know that the Nethe rlands is in fact the MOST liberal country in Eu rope which has no tole rance for the racists like Jessica? and you shld also know that Jessica Leandre is no Dutch desce ndant, her last name is more Portuguese so I know that most black ppl are convinced that wh!tes perpe tuating racism are Afrik aners of Du tch descent which is nto true, cause wh!tes who came to/stayed and stayed in SA during apar theid, were ONLY there for the privilege apar theid affor ded them, the parents of Jessica fit in that category, these have not come to terms with the fact that apart heid is no more.
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Read the rest of the comment & understand it????
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Okay then MsKink.. my bad I really really misunderstood my apologies for that, toe skat:-)Report Abuse
Tabza325is
@Mdovu, She can go to Australia there maybe she can rebuild her career, Europe in a way they are also trying to route out the last remaining racist behaviour, this is why in recent years FIFA and most of the soccer player have been initiating racial tolarence campaigns through out Europe especially amongst soccer fans, the last remaining colony for such racist is Australia.Report Abuse
uMnuz
Who is she who is she WHO IS SHE??? FAME JUNKIES the lot of them. She knowingly used that phrase as a racist insult, and that makes her a nasty little scumbag.Report Abuse
Later
yah neh the power of word, imagine how 1 word can damage everything u hv worked 4, next time think twice b4 u speak neh, good luck......Report Abuse
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Droooooza
Eish mara that picture, my boy is jumping up and down.Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@RobinPlease man u guys have to teach ur children some manners,they lack so called humanity baba please.
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@somaartakeitOkay then MsKink.. my bad I really really misunderstood my apologies for that, toe skat:-)
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MommaCRobinH
She genuinely doesn't seem to understand that she said anything wrong. That is just crazy. It makes you wonder just how arrogant and self absorbed she is and how small her world must be. The fact that there are thousands of followers on this twits tweets is beyond belief
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LBS
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe@Robin
Please man u guys have to teach ur children some manners,they lack so called humanity baba please.
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Could you start teaching manners to those here, that so clearly lack them. TIA
Then comment on the racist outpouring of a b lack model.
'Some' seem to think her comments are 'OK'
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Manarchy
First Jessica dos santos makes racist tweet, but only for angerThen Tshidi Thamana makes racist tweet, but only for fame
Why the amaindians and amacoloureds can't keep up??!!
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Keafixa
Makgowa are foreva rehearsing this names(monkeys and kaFF!rs) during their chilling sessions.fak them all
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The-RothschildsThis situation is just so sad. Us wh!te people complain about street name changes, songs, totally pathetic issues etc yet we dont realize how lucky we are, how after a system of apartheid, the black majority have allowed us to live our colonial lifestyles (of which most are still our servants), a lifestyle that is considered royalty by European standards.
We should be l!cking black a55 for the lifestyle we have been allowed to inherit. The game is so easy in this country. We live so well here, all we have to do is play by the rules, and its seriously not difficult rules. And we get people like this like Jessica who can really screw it all up for all of us.
Is it really that difficult not to be a racist? I mean come on, for the life most of us have over here, i would rather be having a bell's with my black brother over Queen Elizabeth, who would of chased me out of her country had the same historical events happened in England.
This girl is a disgrace! Jessica, one ticket, one settler, bugger off!
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@Mdovu@somaartakeit
Read the rest of the comment & understand it????
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Eish mara 4 qstn marks pho? you really, really leave me no choice but to understand you, lol
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RobinH
LBS: Why bring me into that string. None of that relates even vaguely to anything I have said.A whole bunch of you: RACISM IN ANY FORM IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!
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SKIZOBANTWANA
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A whole bunch of you: RACISM IN ANY FORM IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@SKIZOBANTWANAThough i condemn her racial tweets, but NKA MODIRA YONG
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Your jungle fever is getting in teh way of your using your brains, what self respecting black male wld want to have such a relationship with this unrepentant baby racist? have some self respect please.
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@LBS@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@Robin
Please man u guys have to teach ur children some manners,they lack so called humanity baba please.
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Could you start teaching manners to those here, that so clearly lack them. TIA
Then comment on the racist outpouring of a b lack model.
'Some' seem to think her comments are 'OK'
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We play ur game LBS if u white this bloody racism thing is from u .
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Dzel
oldlady,It probably was me then.
What I did not sha.re is in the early 2000s I was at a res.ort - Badplaas Aventura in Mpumalanga - and ended up in a con.frontation with this Afr.ika.ner boy who then proce.eded to c.all me the n-w.ord. I was with a female friend completely surro.unded by whit.es so I knew I couldn't ca.ll him to or.der without esc.alating the confron.tation into a viol.ent one so I left the immediate vicinity but as I was walking tow.ard my chal.et a gro.up of dru.nk Afrikan.ers repe.ated the ins.ults only then it was the k-w.ord.
Can you imag.ine how I f.elt, completely pow.erless to a.ct without putting myself or the lady friend in mo.rtal dang.er and there was not a single whi.te who had the dece.ncy to defu.se the situ.ation. Har.dly surp.rising given that in an earlier visit to the same re.sort with friends wh.ites would va.cate the po.ol as soon as one of us got into the hea.ted p.ool, its al.most as if we are mu.d.dying the water or som.ething.
Not long after my experience there was actually a ca.se of a bla.ck man murd.ered in a re.sort under similar circumstances as the ones I have recounted so I could have been k.ill.ed for being b.lack, it took making the right decision at the time even though I had to humble myself and walk away. These are people to whom the k-word is second nature; to them the term goes hand-in-hand with subju.gation and viol.ence. I cannot think of a ra.cial sl.ur associated with any other ra.ce that is associated with the same negative ene.rgy and vi.olence.
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@RobinHLBS: Why bring me into that string. None of that relates even vaguely to anything I have said.
A whole bunch of you: RACISM IN ANY FORM IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!
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I was responding to KatakataEmaotoAditshepe (C&P) who responded to you in the first place. Please take issue with him/her.
I too am against racism wherever it stems from.
Have a good day.
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LBS
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepeWe play ur game LBS if u white this bloody racism thing is from u .
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BS!!
If you're racist you're racist.
Own if you are - you are can't blame someone else if YOU choose a certain behaviour/attitude for yourself.
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somaartakeit
@Dzeloldlady,
"Can you imag.ine how I f.elt, completely pow.erless to a.ct without putting myself or the lady friend in mo.rtal dang.er and there was not a single whi.te who had the dece.ncy to defu.se the situ.ation''
This is a bullyism tendency which prevails whenever wh!tes are in a majority, I also had an incident in Greece, but I put the security guard in question firmly in his place and embarrassed him in front of his pals he was trying to impress, in Russia if you are a black male and walking in the night (by yourself) or isolated places wh!te thugs some in the police will k!ll you that's a guarantee, hence I was outraged that FIFA gave those racists opportunity to host a sport considered to be against racism. In Russia most of the h@te crime some of which resulted in tragic situations, there is little to non convictions, the last time I was reading abt a judge who convicted these racists thugs for h@te crime has since been murdered and nothing has come of that case either, and the anc regime want to befriend these racists?
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The-Rothschilds
somaartakeitIts sad that a incident like that happened to you in Greece because i am a Greek myself and usually Greek people dont have racist tendencies, but im probably wrong.
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candilious
MommaCcandilious
Hey there doll.
I see they are intent on milking this for every drop. You guys with an 'oversupply' situation in the Cape didn't even get an apology - maybe Jessica should apply for a governmental spokesman job :)
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RobinH
Katakata: Your comment makes no sense whatsoever, Though with you that is hardly new.Report Abuse
BaleliM
There is an email going around on what Ken Sinclair said about b lacks on facebook and it is so s ad that we still have people like that roaming the streets.___________________________________________________________________________
extract: seriously, seriously had enuf of b.lacks in this country. arrogant f.cking s.wines and i will make it my facebook status because i want them all to know. you are all f cuk all without w.hites, you would still be in your little mud huts. go on as if we owe you everything, we owe you s.hit! expect everything for nothing and have the biggest a ttitude i have ever come across. you will all fall short sooner or later.
extract: sometimes i just wanna pull out a f cuking pump action s.hot g.un and do the deed. f cuk!!
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sadly, these are the people we enteract with.
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@RobinH - A whole bunch of you: RACISM IN ANY FORM IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!===============================================================================
Don't get worked up because no one is going to listen to you. As long as you know you are not one, chillax.
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Shredder
Mara why do you persecute me Sowetan?From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks vele. Why do you keep on deleting this comment mara?
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Dzel
@ somaar,A few years ago a childhood friend was stopped by a truckload full of Afrikaner boys who jumped off when they saw him, racially abused him and beat him up. This happened in Roodepoort as he was walking toward the taxi rank.
Another friend was driving home from Zeerust when he experienced car trouble just outside of Ventersdorp and had to call for a tow truck. While waiting a bakkie drove past and did a u-turn when they saw him, they drove back in the direction of Ventersdorp. Lucky for him a police van drove past soon thereafter, they flagged the van down and begged the police officers to stay with them until the two truck which they did the lady he was with resorted to flirting with one of the police officers out of desperation.
Now that is the South African experience and you will note I am telling stories of acquaintances, just imagine what someone who lives in Ventersdorp experiences in their life time. Can you imagine what would happen if we started fighting back?
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LBS - Understood. Somehow it seemed as though you were including me in the sicko racist "group".Mdovu: You stance isn't even worth talking about.
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mambaaai
Rrobin HA whole bunch of you: RACISM IN ANY FORM IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!
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Agreed in this case and juju and others society in general understands that that kind of stuff does not help society...or add any value.... and even if such a comment is aimed at an individual. It upsets a whole lot of other individuals who happen to have the same tribe or race , and embarreses a whole bunch of people from the same tribe or race. and negatively affects whole bunches of people who werent even vaguely involved.... its a crime against society....
Society seems realise this even if its not conciously so as a natural process the perpatr@tors lose out in time.
simple; racism is just not something that helps you in life and this girl and juju stand as examples....and collective examples such as our own history and many many other examples around the world
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@somaartakeitPhew! Russia is another "alien place".......... When Matthew Booth was playing for Russia the "Russian Skinheads" spit on his wif.e's face (in public nogal) ........... and there has been a lot of cases with regards to blac.k players in Russia.........
That is one place I would never visit if I were to be paid to so or my life depended on it, would rather have my head chopped off..........
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RobinHLBS - Understood. Somehow it seemed as though you were including me in the sicko racist "group".
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Nope, I know your stance. Pleased we cleared the air.
There are racists everywhere but I believe it to be a chosen attitude - 'some' just won't acknowledge that they are racist as much as those that they are pointing fingers at, if not more so.
Such is life .....
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Tasto
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Dzel
MsKinky,...then they give the WC to Russia?!?
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@BaleliMI heard about the facebook rant on friday (not sure if it even existed)
I scares the sh!t out of me that there is some f*&ked up hooligan who want to "pump some action" and there might also be others who think like him.........
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Shredder. I appreciate your comment, but to me this message is my "gospel" and I believe that we Suth Africans need to take a vocal and practical stance to demonstrate it. I have striven all my life to avoid racism in my domestic and professional life, so believe that I live an example of what I believe. BUT not many people get to see my very private private life. So the other avenue one MUST use, is to promulgate the message publicly whenever and wherever one can. That I fully intend to do.Tasto: What ARE you talking about?
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@DzelMsKinky,
...then they give the WC to Russia?!?
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Cause black ppl are taking this BS when they should be asserting themselves, I mean this sport is dominated by black players, eg France's entire national team is mostly black but I expect there will be protests prior to the event, I raised this issues with one of the organisations who claim to fight against racismin Europe, but we shall see what they are doing about it,
@MsKink.. btw the rest of former soviet europe is full of racist thugs, hence I have issues with these ppl coming to SA especially when they have such poor race relations in their own countries, cause they come here to infiltrate and later be used as assassins against our leaders like that guy who k!lled Hani, these anc fools have gold fish memory span, that is why that guy in the WC who is a fugitive from Serbia is allowed to stay in SA whilst black AFricans are treated with contempt, with little to non protection from the law of this country
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra@BaleliM
I heard about the facebook rant on friday (not sure if it even existed)
I scares the sh!t out of me that there is some f*&ked up hooligan who want to "pump some action" and there might also be others who think like him.........
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sadly not even the animals in the jungle behave the way we do and yet we proudly say we are educated.
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oldlady,I hope the few examples provided clarify why there is such an outcry, you look at case like the Waterkloof mur.der where driving around looking for a black person to beat up and k.ill is almost considered a sport then you will understand the anger. Leandre comes from a community where this is acceptable hence she does not seem to understand why the anger.
We as a nation have to say it is not, where one is exposed like Leandra has been we need to come down hard so she and others like her know it is not acceptable to use rac.ist terminology. When violence is advocated then we have to be relentless. She has to be made an example of cause if we don't one day will will reach a point where an all out ra.cial w.ar erupts, whi.tes must be careful of pushing bla.cks too far.
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BaleliMMsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@BaleliM
I heard about the facebook rant on friday (not sure if it even existed)
I scares the sh!t out of me that there is some f*&ked up hooligan who want to "pump some action" and there might also be others who think like him.........
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sadly not even the animals in the jungle behave the way we do and yet we proudly say we are educated.
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animals just each other :)
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@Dzel - Talking about walking away peacefully; A couple of years back (post apartheid er.a) my sister sent me to bu.y champagne for her. I went to a certain pub in Roodepoort. I asked a bartender(la.dy) for that champagne. She told me it was not available. I pointed at the champpagne and said there it is, she again said it was not there. Some big white guy came and said "try on the other side of the street you might find it, you at the wrong place". I looked around and asked my friend "do you see what I see?" He said, what? I said, this place is full of white people only. **Shaking my head** They don't even want your money, kikikiki.Report Abuse
Tasto
@RobinHShredder. I appreciate your comment, but to me this message is my "gospel" and I believe that we Suth Africans need to take a vocal and practical stance to demonstrate it. I have striven all my life to avoid racism in my domestic and professional life, so believe that I live an example of what I believe. BUT not many people get to see my very private private life. So the other avenue one MUST use, is to promulgate the message publicly whenever and wherever one can. That I fully intend to do.
Tasto: What ARE you talking about?
There is no official language called racism but in your homes you use racism daily, Holy than thou !!
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TAsto. Retract. You have no idea of how I conduct myself. Take your sick sh!t and stick it somewhere painful. Nasty racist. So arrogant you can't even see it.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Dzel@ somaar,
A few years ago a childhood friend was stopped by a truckload full of Afrikaner boys who jumped off when they saw him, racially abused him and beat him up. This happened in Roodepoort as he was walking toward the taxi rank.
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Dzel I know abt this how can they not happen when we have farms used to nature such racist fee lings? how can they not happen when major political parties claiming to be liberal are not moving in on these farms and close them down?
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@Shredder,My point is if we experience this kind of racism in urban areas can you imagine what farm workers go through?
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Sometimes we get caught up in our troubles and our problems and we let life slip away, but life is precious, all of life, and one must try to take in as much of it as possible.Report Abuse
Tasto
@RobinH - Eish ooh my little whitey soorry man TRUTH hurts !!PS - @Dzel ,@ somaar - you remind me, of the weekend paper article abt military camp where they teach white kids racism on a farm !!
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somaartakeit@SKIZOBANTWANA
Though i condemn her racial tweets, but NKA MODIRA YONG
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Your jungle fever is getting in teh way of your using your brains, what self respecting black male wld want to have such a relationship with this unrepentant baby racist? have some self respect please.
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Somaartake... you are so angered by this little r.acist girl, you have many reasons to be...... also comments like these by SKIZO, are exact reasons these w.h.ite t.r.ashes will always think that we're only think with our Private parts, we also need to hold high regard of ourselves, and show too much P.ri.de in who we are.
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@Tasto and then you are wondering whether these ppl are trully committed to TRC or this was just for the victims with run with it, we are told there are no farms to give to up coming black farmers and then there are farmers used to train ppl to become racists? Do you understand why I am so angry with the anc regime? cause the buck stops with them....Report Abuse
Shredder
@Dzel@Shredder,
My point is if we experience this kind of racism in urban areas can you imagine what farm workers go through?
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Exactly. The thing is, it is really frustrating because some of us non racists :), try to live with everyone else in peace. But the world around us will always bring their negative thoughts and try to to convince us to h@te other races. Nc! Nc! Nc!
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BaleliMJust googled it.
That boychild is tossed in the head. I hope the university does something to make an example of him.
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@MsBhaka...yhazi sana abantu bakuthi baxuthwa isdima ngaba bantu, yiyo lento ngamanye amaxesha ndivela ndibajonge nje, uskizo is one of those who is deeply affected the sense of inferiority instilled by apar theid system, uyazi abelungu bayavuya cause they know it will take us ages to have some dignity and self respect cause even the ppl who are supposed to be helping us are abusing us, jonga nje lanto yenziwa ngokhulubuso no kodwa mandela kwabanye abantu abamnyama,Report Abuse
Dzel
@sommar,Just wanted to point out that if you were to ask Leandre what political party does she support I bet you she will say the DA. A lot of closet and even some overt racists vote for the DA because it represents their interests.
Just a thought!
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@sommartakeitFIFA is concerned about the $$$$, even though they preach and have all these campaigns but in my opinion I think they are not doing enough..... remember the last racial slur from some English player (in football) they just said "it is something that happens the players should shake hands. They should have sanctioned him severely
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@RobinHKatakata: Your comment makes no sense whatsoever, Though with you that is hardly new.
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Hey watch ur mouth Robin!
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Tasto
Ppl is the Umkhonto WesiZwe still recruiting or is it dying a slow death ? To give our children military discpline like the others are doing ion their farms ?Report Abuse
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@Dzel that's why I have now re-evaluated my support to them, you know when you asked questions about the DA was so incessed by malemazuma I wld have supported the devil against them, that is how angry that man made me, I actually feel ashamed that I allowed my emotions to get the better of me.Report Abuse
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Dzel@sommar,
Just wanted to point out that if you were to ask Leandre what political party does she support I bet you she will say the DA. A lot of closet and even some overt racists vote for the DA because it represents their interests.
Just a thought!
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Just like black racists vote ANC?
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@Tasto - you remind me, of the weekend paper article abt military camp where they teach white kids racism on a farm !!=============================================================================
"D.ie korkeks, onthou d.ie woord, d.ie korteks. Jou korteks is 120g groter as syne". I saw that clip. It haunted me for days. Nxa!!
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@somaartakeit@Dzel that's why I have now re-evaluated my support to them, you know when you asked questions about the DA was so incessed by malemazuma I wld have supported the devil against them, that is how angry that man made me, I actually feel ashamed that I allowed my emotions to get the better of me.
Thanks God !! Me I rather not go to the polls than vote for these pale skin mother fcuking crackers !!
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@MsKinkyakaKamaSutra@sommartakeit
"..... remember the last racial slur from some English player (in football) they just said "it is something that happens the players should shake hands.." and that racist is still the captain of Chelsea second most black supported team after Man U.
Did you notice how the Russians quickly grabbed themselves a 'blackie' just to show they world how unracist they are? when the actual facts prove otherwise?
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DzelJust wanted to point out that if you were to ask Leandre what political party does she support I bet you she will say the DA. A lot of closet and even some overt racists vote for the DA because it represents their interests.
.... wouldn't the FF+ be more her style?
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@TastoPpl is the Umkhonto WesiZwe still recruiting or is it dying a slow death ?
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It now comes under the name SANDF :)
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@The-RothschildsDzel
"Just like black racists vote ANC?" you missed the point as usual, the DA claims to have a high moral ground to the anc, pliz get the point.
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@MommaC".... wouldn't the FF+ be more her style?" she is NOT an Afri-kaner so why wld she vote for a party looking after interests of Afri-kaners?
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Vele mshemane,she might be racist but she has a great body moer.Checka net dai cleavage it is clean my broer e seng tsa di silver stripes tse motho a kopanang le tsona kikikikikiki
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MommaC,.... wouldn't the FF+ be more her style?
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Young and urban plus I am looking at her surname which suggests she is not Afrikaans
When a leader comes out and denies racism in her city and then suggests it is the victim who has issues - Professional Black - they it is reasonable her followers will think racism is OK. Zille does not seem to understand that.
for me the Professional Black incident is worse than the refugee statement as it sends the wrong message to her constituency. I cannot blame Zille for her membership but I can blame her for encouraging undesirable behaviour by sweeping societal problems under a carpet, how can I support someone like that?
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Dzel
"Just like black racists vote ANC?" you missed the point as usual, the DA claims to have a high moral ground to the anc, pliz get the point.
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The DA does not pick who votes for them.........and their marketing campaign does not include white racism in it.
The same can be said about the ANC.
Its only obvious that a white racist would not vote ANC.........but to assume that the DA is a party of racists when racism is not part of their policy is totally unfair.
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The-RothschildsThe DA does not pick who votes for them.........and their marketing campaign does not include white racism in it.
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I believe I have answered your statement in the post above i.e. condemning what is wrong and setting a good example for your constituency to follow and how denialism and/or silence encourages wrong behaviour.
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"Its only obvious that a white racist would not vote ANC.........but to assume that the DA is a party of racists when racism is not part of their policy is totally unfair" Equally unfair that anyone wld assume that black racists vote the anc, I was just trying to show you that any accusation thrown at the anc the da is guilty of same, so basically each to his own mate!
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Tatso,Thanks God !! Me I rather not go to the polls than vote for these ...
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It does not justify your racism either Tatso. Use the info to make up your mind, not reciprocate the hat.e.
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@Shredder@Tasto
Ppl is the Umkhonto WesiZwe still recruiting or is it dying a slow death ?
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It now comes under the name SANDF :)
The used to be SADF & Kommandos(rightwing military group in farms and they still exist even after they were outlawed)
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DzelWeirdly enough its not only Afrikaans speaking people who vote for the FF+. I just thought that having so many d@rkies in the DA would have put her off giving them her vote.
Zille is another twittering twit. The DA would have to find someone far less arrogant and condescending to lead them before they would get my vote either
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Dzel - Zille gets irritated when ANC fanatics like Dana try and victimize the Western Cape just because the DA controls that province.The problem of racism is a SA issue, not a Western Cape issue alone.
Dana should of asked Zille what her views are on racism in general in SA and not try and attack her just because the ANC no longer controls Cape Town, as if racism all of a sudden escalated in the Western Cape a few years after the ANC leadership.
But i will agree with you on this, Zille has a terrible way of trying to prove her points which may cost her the chance to ever rule anything bigger than the Western Cape.
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but to assume that the DA is a party of racists when racism is not part of their policy is totally unfair++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
But Zille failed dismally when she had an opportunity to address racism in her province, instead of doing that she attacked the victim as if she knows what it feels like to be at the receiving end of racism.
Can someone here tell me what has Zille done since moving into active politics to fight the black cause. Yes I know about her days in the Black Sash but it looks like she has forgotten all that and now endorse racist because they move her closer to her goals.
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@Tasto - The used to be SADF & Kommandos(rightwing military group in farms and they still exist even after they were outlawed)=============================================================================
uMkhonto we Sizwe seized operating in 1990 and was integrated into SADF which is now SANDF
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but to assume that the DA is a party of racists when racism is not part of their policy is totally unfair++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
But Zille failed dismally when she had an opportunity to address rac.ism in her province, instead of doing that she attacked the victim as if she knows what it feels like to be at the receiving end of racism.
Can someone here tell me what has Zille done since moving into active politics to fight the black cause. Yes I know about her days in the Black Sash but it looks like she has forgotten all that and now endorse rac.ist because they move her closer to her goals.
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ThisWhoredoesn'tHaveRespectForBlackman.FUCKOFFYOUPORABITCH.
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"Its only obvious that a white racist would not vote ANC.........but to assume that the DA is a party of racists when racism is not part of their policy is totally unfair" Equally unfair that anyone wld assume that black racists vote the anc, I was just trying to show you that any accusation thrown at the anc the da is guilty of same, so basically each to his own mate!
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That is my point exactly, one cannot assume the DA be a racist party when its policies are not racist, anymore than the ANC. just because you may assume racists vote for each party based on race.
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Dzel
The-RothschildsZille gets irritated when ANC fanatics like Dana try and victimize the Western Cape just because the DA controls that province.
The problem of racism is a SA issue, not a Western Cape issue alone
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Dana did not attack Zille or the DA, she was sharing her experiences with racism in Cape Town then Zille jumped on the bandwagon defending “her” province. Incidentally it was Suttle who started the tweet and Dana came in to support Suttle.
The point is not racism happens all over SA, we know that but in Cape Town it tends to be more in your face if you’ve lived there.
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The-RothschildsBut i will agree with you on this, Zille has a terrible way of trying to prove her points which may cost her the chance to ever rule anything bigger than the Western Cape.
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The difference between Zille and Leandre is Leandre is an out and out racist whilst Zille is a bigot who has a condescending attitude towards black people.
We can debate who is better and who is worse but at the end of the day at least with a racist you know where you stand, someone like Zille is more dangerous as they pretend to be your friend and want to use that friendship to garner votes.
Zille just wants to use black people for their votes and then pretend we are equal by scrapping the very measures that are meant to empower us given our history. Take labour broking for example, do you know there are people out there who have taken home as little as R 200 after working a full month - sometimes overtime included - because "they did not make their targets". Zille thinks this is OK therefore we should keep labour brokers.
How do I vote for someone like that?
I can write a book on whats wrong with labour brokers, again Zille wants to pretend the problem does not exist.
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DzelThe-Rothschilds
Zille gets irritated when ANC fanatics like Dana try and victimize the Western Cape just because the DA controls that province.
The problem of racism is a SA issue, not a Western Cape issue alone
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Dana did not attack Zille or the DA, she was sharing her experiences with racism in Cape Town then Zille jumped on the bandwagon defending “her” province. Incidentally it was Suttle who started the tweet and Dana came in to support Suttle.
The point is not racism happens all over SA, we know that but in Cape Town it tends to be more in your face if you’ve lived there.
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Dana said to Zille why should she vote DA if Cape Town is the most racist in SA....................there is no proof of this. Nor is there are proof of what you are saying right now.
If the ANC was control of the Western Cape, it would be interesting to see if Dana and yourself would be making the same assertions that Cape Town is the most racist.
I agree with Zille with what she said that day, Dana was speaking absolute rubbish to victimize Cape Town as the most racist.............Racism is a SA problem, not a Western Cape problem..........................why is Dana not asking the ANC what they are doing about racism in their regions?
The DA controlling the Western Cape has put a massive dent in the ANC's ego as well as their supporters because the coloured vote has favoured a party either than the ANC, which explains why there has been racist outbursts from ANC MP's about the coloured, like Manyi comments.
Would he have made such a comment if the ANC still controlled the Western Cape?
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DzelOfcourse Zille wants your vote, just like Zuma, they are politicians.
Zille does not fully support labour broking..............that is COSATU playing games with you.
The problem you have with Zille is that Zille and the DA refuse to punish the white minority.
The DA would never go against BEE and AA because they know it would hurt their voter base...........................they just saying that there is an abuse of BEE and AA by the ANC which needs to be dealt with. The DA also says that we need to find a balance between black empowerment and attracting skills..................we cannot say NO to white doctors and teachers, on the basis that need more black doctors and teachers when we seriously need doctors in general in this country.
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The-Rothschilds,Dana said to Zille why should she vote DA if Cape Town is the most racist in SA....................there is no proof of this. Nor is there are proof of what you are saying right now.
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You see in many towns in SA you expect racism given the demographics and concentration and dominance of one racial group over another so you know for example to expect Bloem to be a challenge compared to PE for example. In cities like PE, Durbs and CT you expect to be less racism because the are English cities but with CT it is the coloreds mainly that are a problem hence the racism there comes as a bit of a shock at first that is why it is more difficult to deal with.
The point is not who is more racist, the point is can it be fixed and what remedial action is required. We can debate who should have taken the initiative to find common ground but as a politician looking to get black votes my approach would have been working towards finding a solution rather denying the problem exists at all as that does not shown political leadership one should expect from someone in Zille's position of responsibility.
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@Dzel>...so you know for example to expect Bloem to be a challenge compared to PE for example...
Wow... really? What a racist thing to say.
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Dzel - Zille didnt deny anything..........she just said that its rubbish to pin point the Western Cape as the most racist when the hole of SA is one racist infestation.Dana never complained about such issues when the ANC ruled the Western Cape, and dont come and tell me that the ANC had a special formula that worked during their rule.
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The-RothschildsPerhaps you need to brush up on DA policy as you don't seem to understand them.
1. The DA supports labour brokers.
2. They are very critical of BEE suggesting they want the system scrapped
3. They are iffy on AA suggesting a "needs" based AA rather than a race based system, I am yet to come across someone who can explain to me how this will work.
Simple put, the DA pays lip-service to all three but in reality they support the first and want the other two scrapped. It is not difficult to understand this if you read DA policy, perhaps you can prove me wrong by putting a coherent argument instead of general statements that amount to opinion.
Prove me wrong.
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Dzel - and to pin point the colour3ds as the source of racism in the Western Cape is just as racist as Jimmy saying there is a over concentration of colour3ds in the WC and the same political party accuses Zille of racism just because she described the sad situation of Eastern Cape pupils by using a non-racist word r3fugee which the ANC has now turned into a racist word.Do you know that black people can be racist as well? Infact there are plenty black racists in this country.
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RothschildDzel - Zille didnt deny anything..........she just said that its rubbish to pin point the Western Cape as the most racist when the hole of SA is one racist infestation.
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It would help if you knew what you are talking about instead of offering ill-informed opinion.
This is what happened:
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“No matter how famous/rich u r, ur still a 2nd class citizen if ur Black in Cape Town, @helenzille when’s the change u spoke about happening.”
Zille dismissed Suttle’s comments as “complete nonsense”.
As Zille asked for concrete proof of incidents of racism, many black Twitter users gave examples of places where they were repeatedly refused entry. Cape Town photographer Max Mogale listed the oft-bemoaned Asoka on Kloof Street and Jade Lounge in Green Point.
Soon the debate extended to black tweeters and the twitteratti countrywide.
Dana entered the fray with: “@helenzille has managed to p**s off black twitter. She can’t blame me for this one.”
When @mandlakada tweeted about bumping into Dana at the Waterfront, the gloves came off, with Zille responding: “Sorry? I thought she (Dana) left Cape Town claiming it is ‘racist’.”
Dana then asked if Zille disputed that Cape Town was a racist city, to which Zille replied that she disputed “blanket generalisations”.
Unsolicited, Zille then tweeted Dana: “You’re a highly respected black professional. Don’t try to be a professional black. It demeans you.”
Dana hit back: “So @helenzille is gonna teach me how to be an acceptable black. I’m ever so, so grateful.”
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The-Rothschildsand to pin point the colour3ds as the source of racism in the Western Cape is just as racist as Jimmy saying there is a over concentration of colour3ds in the WC and the same political party accuses Zille of racism just because she described the sad situation of Eastern Cape pupils by using a non-racist word r3fugee which the ANC has now turned into a racist word.
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It is a statement of fact from someone who has lived in studied in CT, an experience shared by many who have worked in the city and experienced racism.
I did not say all colour3ds are rac.ist but rather they are responsible for a significant portion of racism. What is racist about that? How do you explain the NP winning the province in the first democratic elections?
You come across as someone who debates for the sake of debating, please put some thought into what you write.
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DzelThe-Rothschilds
Perhaps you need to brush up on DA policy as you don't seem to understand them.
1. The DA supports labour brokers.
2. They are very critical of BEE suggesting they want the system scrapped
3. They are iffy on AA suggesting a "needs" based AA rather than a race based system, I am yet to come across someone who can explain to me how this will work.
Simple put, the DA pays lip-service to all three but in reality they support the first and want the other two scrapped. It is not difficult to understand this if you read DA policy, perhaps you can prove me wrong by putting a coherent argument instead of general statements that amount to opinion.
Prove me wrong.
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Even the ANC is questioning BEE in its current form. JUST LIKE THE DA
The ANC also supports labour brokers but wants a regulation, JUST LIKE THE DA.
Like i said, the DA wants a balance in AA........meaning we must not turn away skilled workers just because they are not black when we live in a country that has too little skilled workers, otherwise the economy cannot grow and hence create more jobs.
You can call the DA a lip service as if the ANC has fulfilled much of their promises they made.
The Western Cape (a predominantly non-white province) is happy with the DA, perhaps they all enjoy lips service over there.
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Her parents are responsible for this, this kid would not use this kind of a language on a social network to express her anger if she's coming from a home with good parenting skills. To me it's very much clear that the entire family is rotten and useless with no clue how much we want to shape SA for our children.Report Abuse
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xBusi,Wow... really? What a ra.cist thing to say.
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Its called logic.
I have moved around the country a lot and observed be.havior. If you are familiar with my po.sts you will know I tend to be analytical and do more than just debate as I seek to understand the psyc.hy of the person I am debating aga.inst and what infor.ms that psy.chy. Afrik.aners tend to be more ove.rt in their rac.ism whilst the English are more guar.ded. Similarly with rac.ist experience you are more likely to be bl.iks.emed by an Afrikaner than you are by an English person or Indian.
It is no more rac.ist than it is s.ex.ist to state wom.en tend to be more careful drivers, do you think that this statement is s.ex.ist?
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Also Dzel when one takes responsibility rather than denying that there is a problem sort of dis-empowers the one who is being hurt by the behaviour which to them is unacceptable,so I agree HZ shldn't have denied existence of said unacceptable behaviour but instead outlined what her party is doing to counter such, and the DA supporters sometime shld stop saying things like, aah... but the anc is also doing that, cause ppl generally will not change their vote for the same difference...Report Abuse
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DzelIt is baseless generalization to victimize Cape Town as a racist city when racism exists in all cities and places in SA, Zille is spot on.
Like i said, why did Dana not take up the issue of racist Cape Town when the ANC controlled the Western Cape just a few years ago! Dana was complaining about Cape Town, and we all know it was for political reasons.
Has she taken up extreme racism that occurs in Walmer township here in PE where wh!te motorist are stoned on a daily basis, and black gangs attacking coloured night clubs in North End? What about the black kids attacking coloured pupils at Thorn Hill school outside of PE? Why is Dana not complaining about his............perhaps when the DA takes over PE in the next election, only then may Dana cause another pointless tweet stur!
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@OverloadGirls - I am also compelled to believe that its natural for her to make these remarks, cause first, she is known publicly that alone wld have deterred her from makign racist remarks like that, if she respected herself and her parents who wld have been horrified that she has become a little racist.I am still waiting to see what has the man at Spar did to her to cause her to be like this, cause I dont' want to put light 'sexual harassment' grievance which she uses as an attempt to justify her behaviour.
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DzelThe-Rothschilds
and to pin point the colour3ds as the source of racism in the Western Cape is just as racist as Jimmy saying there is a over concentration of colour3ds in the WC and the same political party accuses Zille of racism just because she described the sad situation of Eastern Cape pupils by using a non-racist word r3fugee which the ANC has now turned into a racist word.
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It is a statement of fact from someone who has lived in studied in CT, an experience shared by many who have worked in the city and experienced racism.
I did not say all colour3ds are rac.ist but rather they are responsible for a significant portion of racism. What is racist about that? How do you explain the NP winning the province in the first democratic elections?
You come across as someone who debates for the sake of debating, please put some thought into what you write.
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And i suppose noone has complained to you about any racism in another part of the country besides Western Cape.........what rubbish.
What evidence do you have that suggests that colour3ds are responsible for alot of racism? Based on the experience of a few people you know? Have perhaps asked other people in other regions as well?
There is no debate here, you have made your point, i think the racism issue starts within yourself.
You are now accusing the colour3d's of being racist just because they dont vote ANC.
Makes perfect sense now.
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DzelxBusi,
Wow... really? What a ra.cist thing to say.
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hahahahaha the hypocrisy amazes me
When it suites you, "colour3ds are responsible for most racism" hahaha
God forbid anyone saying the same about black people
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@The-Rothschilds"God forbid anyone saying the same about black people..." and that wldn't be a fact and you know it, maybe you just wished it was the case, but sorry for you bl@cks were against oppre ssion they still conti nue to fight it now that we ele cted what is per ceived to be a democratic gov. but guys like jessica and those thugs running r@ce h@te farms are going to derail us all.
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Dzel, same oldlady, different place, could not remember password. Thank you for sharing your raci.st experiences with me. It must have taken a he.ll of a lot of guts to keep your cool in front of a lady friend, but you did the absolute right thing. Hope she appreciated it. I have always understood that the use of the word in question is hurtful, insulting, degrading and many other things to black people. I just did not understand why, as I never lived at the receiving end of such hurt and discrimination.Somaartakeit, on this one I'm with you. I'd also like to know what this man did exactly to make her feel sexually harassed. Anyone out there know?
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yes they will derail us all cause majority wh!te SAns think just cause there is violent crime spiralling out of control then its justified for the likes of jessica to spout racist rhetorics and expect us to be okay with this, it is this arrogance and ignorance and lack of emotional intelligence on the part of these guys that there will never be racial harmony in SA at least at the level where we can all be tolerant of one another,Report Abuse
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RothschildI ask you again not to forward personal opinion as DA policy, stop embarrassing yourself and read policy.
Brief highlights:
BEE - "Placing less emphasis on ownership, and more emphasis on skills training and socio-economic investment"
AA - it does not even appear on DA economic policy document but she is on record saying it must be needs based. Please explain this to me.
Labour Brokers - again silent on this point but they do say the following though:
The DA will:
• Simplify labour regulation
• Introduce a longer probationary period in which employers can dismiss underperforming workers without penalty
• Simplify regulations for SMMEs
• Introduce tax rebates
It does not take a genius to understand who the intended audience is, does it Rothschild?
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somaartakeit@The-Rothschilds
"God forbid anyone saying the same about black people..." and that wldn't be a fact and you know it, maybe you just wished it was the case, but sorry for you bl@cks were against oppre ssion they still conti nue to fight it now that we ele cted what is per ceived to be a democratic gov. but guys like jessica and those thugs running r@ce h@te farms are going to derail us all.
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and you say i miss the point!
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Rothschild,And i suppose noone has complained to you about any racism in another part of the country besides Western Cape.........what rubbish.
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Now you are being obtuse, how many times must I explain to you that it was never said that CT is the most racist city and that that is not even the point the point being how does one address racism where and when it occurs.
Your question on evidence borders on stup.idity and is ill-informed.
Like I said, elevate your contribution to something worth responding to, trust me this is starting to become a waste of time.
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somaartakeit"... majority wh!te SAns think just cause there is violent crime spiralling out of control then its justified for the likes of jessica to spout racist rhetorics"
WHO is this crowd of people you keep imagining that are defending her / supporting her / agreeing with her ??????
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rothchild,Like i said, why did Dana not take up the issue of racist Cape Town when the ANC controlled the Western Cape just a few years ago! Dana was complaining about Cape Town, and we all know it was for political reasons.
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I repeat, ignorance is your downfall.
How many times must I repeat the exchange was started by one Suttle who shared her views after visiting the city, Dana got involved after the fact as per the exchange I posted. Is there something wrong with your comprehension skills?
Context Rothschild, context. This is really getting tiring, unless you've got something intelligent to say there is little point is carrying on this conversation, say something worth responding to something that adds value to this discussion PLEASE.
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@Somaartakeit. This kid is disrepecting. To asses a teacher you will have to look at the results of a learner, I still believe that the parents have waisted a vital organ in their body, and that is brain. her parents are worse than nothing.Report Abuse
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DzelRothschild
I ask you again not to forward personal opinion as DA policy, stop embarrassing yourself and read policy.
Brief highlights:
BEE - "Placing less emphasis on ownership, and more emphasis on skills training and socio-economic investment"
AA - it does not even appear on DA economic policy document but she is on record saying it must be needs based. Please explain this to me.
Labour Brokers - again silent on this point but they do say the following though:
The DA will:
• Simplify labour regulation
• Introduce a longer probationary period in which employers can dismiss underperforming workers without penalty
• Simplify regulations for SMMEs
• Introduce tax rebates
It does not take a genius to understand who the intended audience is, does it Rothschild?
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BEE - agree completely with this because the accumulation of shares has done plenty for a very few...............the resources should be spent on developing skills and education so that these people can start their own businesses willingly with a wing partner that wishes to take advantage of the skills and education you have aqcuired!
Yes, UNDER-PERFORMING workers must be punished because we have enough people in this country without work that truly want to work and learn.
Simplify labour & SMME regulation - this explains itself, this means it makes it easier to start up businesses and makes it easier to higher workers
Tax rebates - small business (start ups) would be exempt from taxation, ie, This would be wonderful for millions of black people trying to start up businesses
What does it say on the ANC manifesto about labour brokers?
AA - needs based means the country must put emphasize on the skills needed rather than the race.
So you saying black people will never own small and medium sized enterprises?
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@MC for the umpteeth time please go read other n#ws outlet cove ring this story such as n3ws24 as already expl this morning, and you will see who is defen ding this racist girl some justif ying it by cit ing farm murders adn what-notReport Abuse
somaartakeit
I am thinking now that in the UK or USA jessica wld never get away with calling a black person the n or k word, so this tells me that black SAns are by far and large nice ppl, in fact too nice and niceness is being wasted of the ignorants who have no ability to appreciate it.Report Abuse
OLDLADY4
MommaC, I have read the stories Somaartakeit refers to, and just like she purposefully decided to misunderstand me, she is purposefully misunderstanding these comments. People are speculating there, just like here, as to what's and why's make people behave this way, but very few are defending her.Report Abuse
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Somaartakeit, and what would they have done to her in the UK or USA? Stoned her to death? I believe Jessica lost/is in the process of losing jobs and sponsorships, and that there will be a ha.te speech court case. That, to me, puts SA on par with what would have been done to her in the UK or USA.Report Abuse
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DzelDana had in the past accused Cape Town of being the most racist city in SA, she even asked Helen Zille if she was in denial because Zille has black friends...........i think you should analyze more carefully what had happened in that debate.
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@OLDLADY4Somaartakeit, and what would they have done to her in the UK or USA? Stoned her to death? I believe Jessica lost/is in the process of losing jobs and sponsorships, and that there will be a ha.te speech court case. That, to me, puts SA on par with what would have been done to her in the UK or USA.
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DzelRothschild
Stop writting novel scripts here, be analytical and give us facts to read, otherwise take a break and start a new comment on tomorrow's paper.
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Dzel
Rothschild,Let me summarise for you:
BEE – stop rewarding companies based on ownership, reward based on how many short courses staff are sent to.
AA – stop applying this on race, rather focus on sending staff on short-courses
Labour Broking – support this 110%
Does it escape you that you have now done a 180 degree turn from the DA is 100% supportive of these policies to justifying their position now that you know they aren’t.
You know I can continue providing the facts and you pretending you know it all only to backtrack when given the facts, I think we can agree your ignorance is blatantly obvious inspite of trying hard to appear smart when it is clear your strategy is entirely based on clutching at straws.
Ask to be educated and I will oblige, don’t try to appear smart by submitting opinion as fact and obfuscating when cornered. I can take the bait and move on to discussing SMMEs but that would be shifting goal posts and covers up your defeat point after point on this debate.
If you want to prove you are smart then please discuss the objective of AA and BEE with a degree of intelligence and tell us why you think the policies should be scrapped since we’ve established that is your latest position. I’ll give you a hint though; steer clearly of the so-called “born frees” argument as it misses the point completely.
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Dzel
Rothschild,Dana had in the past accused Cape Town of being the most racist city in SA, she even asked Helen Zille if she was in denial because Zille has black friends...........i think you should analyze more carefully what had happened in that debate.
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Evidence?
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@RobinHTasto and Katakata: Watch this finger.
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U dont respect ur elders wena sonny nxa!
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candilious
MdovuWell Jess take a long vacation to Dutchland or where ever your ancestors originate from? My Advice: This is Africa and have your realized it belongs to Black People...
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Please tell me where does it state This AFRICA belongs to Blackz only
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The-Rothschilds
Dzel -Zille, premier of the Western Cape, former Cape Town mayor and an ardent Twitter user, responded: "What complete nonsense."
She went on to say it was "a baseless assertion".
One user, @marangdream, responded: "Someone says they feel racism, "What Nonsense!" is NOT an appropriate response", to which Zille replied: "They did NOT say they 'feel' racism. They said Cape Town IS racist. BIG difference. I respect feelings but not blanket accusations."
At some point Dana tweeted to Zille: "Are you disputing/ denying that Cape Town is racist? Is this because some of your friends are black?"
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DzelYou summary is based on your opinion. What i had presented was facts.
We all know (including the ANC of late for obvious reasons as the DA has exposed this scourge) that BEE has only benefited a few that are linked to powerful ANC members. The DA wants to break this and invest more in the employee (black employees) to acquire better knowledge and education over rewarding a few greedy black front runners.
AA based on needs means - hire people with the skill not because they black
i ask you again, WHAT IS THE ANC's stance on labour brokering? Im am still to see any political party against Labour brokers.
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Question: "Why did the albino m0nkey cross the road?.."Helen Zille: "I didn't cross any road.."
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OLDLADY4
Dzel and The Rothschild, your political monologue is now way off subject, and very long winded for young people, may I add. If Jessica could be put in Robben Island, as it was then, she'd be broking from all the labour she'd have to do. Her AA (Awfull Ar.se) would be sitting in a small cell when she's not broking from labour and she'd BEE very sorry indeed for being a rac.ist.Report Abuse
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Dzel
And on the contrary, i dont feel you have much credit in a debate either when you make comments such as 'colour3ds are responsible for most racism" ; 'Afrik4ners tend to be more racist then the english", "its logic" - this all based on your biased accumulation of experiences described by a biased choice of people in question.
My friend, you are no better than Dana..........you cannot handle that the ANC's claw5 are long gone from Cape Town and now you are even labeling the colour3ds the source of racism just because they see through your beloved ANC!
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OLDLADY4
Click, good one.Report Abuse
Tasto
@Dzel - I hope I understand you correctly you called me a r.acist, those who know Tasto will tell you he is black&proud never a racist but let us leave that debate for a another day.Plse do not give up on loving these white.s of yours even if the spi.t on your face (digressing) good job.With out being personal can you on my behalf asked your caring w.hites abt the recent Grabouw school p.rotest and latest abt African children being chased away from school in c.oloured areas @Kuilsriver & being called JZ children even by co.loured teachers ?
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MommaC
somaartakeitOkay, went to Newws24 and read the first couple dozen comments. Two out of about 50 (that I read) were trying to defend this.
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Dzel
Rothchild,Spot the difference:
1. Are you disputing/ denying that Cape Town is racist
2. Are you disputing/ denying that Cape Town is the MOST racist
Reading your responses one would swear you don't know the meaning of the word MOST and what impact it has when used in a sentence.
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The-Rothschilds
OLDLADY4And who are you exactly to tell other people what to debate about? Did the Sowetan hire you for anything? If not, then you know what to do with that loud trap of yours!
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Dzel
Rothschild,My friend, you are no better than Dana..........you cannot handle that the ANC's claw5 are long gone from Cape Town and now you are even labeling the colour3ds the source of racism just because they see through your beloved ANC!
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Based on your latest comment clearly this is becoming a waste of time, I have little interest in debates that have no direction. I can't say it was a pleasure.
Consider this my last response to you on this topic.
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somaartakeit
@Dzel"Consider this my last response to you on this topic..." what a pity considering that your political ouput has a lot of insight sometimes its interesting to read experiences of ppl who have lived in CT ppl who are objected and not guarded by political party affill iations, I have ever been to CT only as a tourists so I don't know much iro DA's deliverance of services records,but for me my measuring stick wld be if they eradicate crime and alcoholism at the Cape Flats cause surely that is why they got the votes from those folks for?
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objected shld read objective,Report Abuse
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R@cist this r@cist that- who gives a sh1tJessica Leandra carry on my dear-
R@cist is everywhere
your mistake is (u r wh1te) let a black guy use a 'K' word nothing will happen even here on sowetan...
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@LESSON1R@cist this r@cist that- who gives a sh1t
Jessica Leandra carry on my dear-
R@cist is everywhere
your mistake is (u r wh1te) let a black guy use a 'K' word nothing will happen even here on sowetan...
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OLDLADY4
The Rothschild, not me, read the conditions of Sowetan and understand. What Sowetan hired me to do or not, is quite frankly, none of your business. And please, as an old lady, I don't know as much as you young one about what to do with loud traps. I've only recently realised I'm allowed to have one. Please, enlighten me what to do with my loud trap, seeing that you have so much more experience on the subject as I do.Report Abuse
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DzelRothschild,
My friend, you are no better than Dana..........you cannot handle that the ANC's claw5 are long gone from Cape Town and now you are even labeling the colour3ds the source of racism just because they see through your beloved ANC!
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Based on your latest comment clearly this is becoming a waste of time, I have little interest in debates that have no direction. I can't say it was a pleasure.
Consider this my last response to you on this topic.
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There was no point about your debate in the first place.............you were trying to correlate racism in the Western Cape with the DA which is why you would never vote for them, but your views as baseless, and now you shot yourself in the foot by trying to ridicule colour3ds........the real racists are you and the ANC my friend............not the DA, im sure Jimmy Manyi is dying to have a debate with you on how to handle those drunk DA supporting "racist colour3ds".
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oldlady,Dzel and The Rothschild, your political monologue is now way off subject, and very long winded for young people, may I add.
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Totally agreed, I have tried to keep the discussion within reasonable limits but it seems Rothschild is one of those people who debate to have the last word rather than concentrating on the quality of argument.
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DzelRothchild,
Spot the difference:
1. Are you disputing/ denying that Cape Town is racist
2. Are you disputing/ denying that Cape Town is the MOST racist
Reading your responses one would swear you don't know the meaning of the word MOST and what impact it has when used in a sentence.
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is this even worth responding too?
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@ LESSON1Keep your comments tightly sealed where they belong.. RDP toilet.
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OLDLADY4The Rothschild, not me, read the conditions of Sowetan and understand. What Sowetan hired me to do or not, is quite frankly, none of your business. And please, as an old lady, I don't know as much as you young one about what to do with loud traps. I've only recently realised I'm allowed to have one. Please, enlighten me what to do with my loud trap, seeing that you have so much more experience on the subject as I do.
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And what are the conditions of the Sowetan that would entertain the fact that i should stop debating what im debating
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Shredder@LESSON1
R@cist this r@cist that- who gives a sh1t
Jessica Leandra carry on my dear-
R@cist is everywhere
your mistake is (u r wh1te) let a black guy use a 'K' word nothing will happen even here on sowetan...
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since u r genuies - stop r@cist for us (@ssface),
starts a topic about tr1bes and you'll see (d@mp@ss)
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@The-RothschildsDzel
Rothschild,
"....the real racists are you and the ANC my friend............not the DA, im sure Jimmy Manyi is dying to have a debate with you on how to handle those drunk DA supporting "racist colour3ds". Everyone who disagrees with your views is automatically anc and is racist? Cause Dzel here has been giving as much abt the anc (ask Jaja) as he does abt the DA he is what one wld call an impartial gov critic, if anything we need more ppl like this, not the party line towers devoid of any original and rational thought.
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Dzel
@sommar,Last last response to Rothschild, I am happy to engage with anyone who debates from an honest perspective rather than saying just about anything to "win" the debate.
Some people are just not worth the time and patience.
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OLDLADY4
Dzel, and then he tries to act aggressive when not getting his way. It sounds very white male to me. Do you perhaps know his race?Report Abuse
OLDLADY4
Rothschild.."what are the conditions.....? Like I said, read them.Report Abuse
Dzel
oldlady,Dzel, and then he tries to act aggressive when not getting his way. It sounds very white male to me. Do you perhaps know his race?
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I get the impression he is white and perhaps Jewish but I might be wrong about the latter.
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@ OLDLADY4Let's go to Spur.. *My treat*
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somaartakeit
@Dzel, m kay then thought you were cutting off altogether, cause Dzel whilst I don't agree with some of your views as you know it:-) I sincerely do enjoy your political views, some of which are very informative, the vast experience you had not only working but studying in the WC so I gather most of what you talk abt is first hand experience, who are we to discard that,Report Abuse
OLDLADY4
Must be white. As an old white lady, I've had my fair share of "experiences", and he just sounds so familiar.Report Abuse
LESSON1
Click@ LESSON1
Keep your comments tightly sealed where they belong.. RDP toilet.
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NnyO whatwhat yamonate called all of you bloggers "K" and baboons the past week
nothing happened and you click u know xactly who i'm talking about !!
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OverloadGirls
@ClickThat was a good joke mfana, you made my day.
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somaartakeit
@Click@ OLDLADY4
Let's go to Spur.. *My treat*
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did you mean SpAr? LoL
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OLDLADY4
OverloadGirls and Somaartakeit, ag nee SIES girls. And here I was planning my outfit already before accepting.Report Abuse
Dzel
Thanks somaar, fact is we learn from each other all the time.Report Abuse
Click
@ LESSON1Small things amuse small minds.. Clearly, you were amused by a parallysed m0nkey.. So please leave me out of your play-ground..
@ somaartakeit
You wish.. Today is "bu.y 1 burger & get 1 fre.e" at Spur.. OLDLADY4 and I will enjoy this treat..
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somaartakeitDzel accusations of saying colour3ds are mostly responsible for racism, afrikan3rs are more racist than their english speaking counterparts etc and bases this on a biased choice of views from a biased choice of people from a biased location 'Cape Town only", and somehow Dzel tries to somehow correlate this to this Jessica model with the DA and why one should never vote for the DA...........it was a pointless debate from start which actually exposed how narrow minded Dzel actually perceives things!
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LESSON1
@sowetanjust write an article regarding all african tr1bes and just sit back, relax
just for once please -i'm begging you please please then we can talk about this ch1ck's issue !!
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The-Rothschilds
OLDLADY4Rothschild.."what are the conditions.....? Like I said, read them.
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Like i said, who are you to even dictate to other people on what to do on this forum? Why should i go and waste my team reading conditions when you are so clearly trying to monitor this forum like you have been hired to do so, in that case, if you are hired, then it is your job to describe to me what is it that im doing that is against the conditions that you are trying to uphold so dearly!
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OLDLADY4
Click, clever man. At my age I can also only finish half a burger, so you'd be scoring all the way. I'll do the tip (as I was full of them today), as well as the drinks.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Click I just thought with all this publicity Spar has been gaining, ooh well....lolReport Abuse
OLDLADY4
The Rothschild, sorry, working hours finished. Getting ready for my date with Click now.Report Abuse
The-Rothschilds
OLDLADY4Click, clever man. At my age I can also only finish half a burger, so you'd be scoring all the way. I'll do the tip (as I was full of them today), as well as the drinks.
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You do whatever you want my darling, and you let me do what i want, neh?
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ClickOk sir my pleasure.
since u r obsessed about jessica-
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somaartakeit
@OLDLADY4OverloadGirls and Somaartakeit, ag nee SIES girls. And here I was planning my outfit already before accepting.
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LoL I can imagine:-) but sorry for spoiling your outing..:-)
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OLDLADY4
The Rothschild, and since when did I not let you do what you wan? You just didn't want the tip, which Dzel was man enough to take. Hope you're my waiter at Spur tonight. Cheap round.Report Abuse
Budapat
''Jessica Leandra dos Santos'' surely Mommy and Daddy's FISH AND CHIPS business is raking far less than what it used to before your TWEET you M O R O N, I have forgiven you last week already. Lastly, SOWETAN please stop reporting within the R A C I A L lines like BEELD toe, we've had this article and it's enough now so stop provoking R A C I S M le wena maan!!Report Abuse
The-Rothschilds
OLDLADY4The Rothschild, and since when did I not let you do what you wan? You just didn't want the tip, which Dzel was man enough to take. Hope you're my waiter at Spur tonight. Cheap round.
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Dzel used you to chicken out and im sure Click will be using you tonight as well................you can have fun at.......Spur *giggle*.
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@The-Rothschildssomaartakeit
"Dzel accusations..." what is it with you that makes you want to be right all the time?
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Dzel
Rothschild,Word of advice, while the internet offers anonymity which I understand can appear empowering it is advisable to engage with respect especially toward people who are older than you. This speaks to your character, we can all see what kind of a person you are based on what you write.
Your attack on oldlady is unwarranted especially given she was suggesting we keep to the topic. I did not take offense at her words, in fact I agree with her 100%.
It boils down to how one is raised I suppose.
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Click
@ OLDLADY4A White Citi Golf will be outside your g@te at 8pm sharp!!.. Wear a tight hugging dres.s tonight.. No political discussions at our non-smoking area table.. *Take care, wink*
@ somaartakeit
We'll go to Spar to b.uy a 2lt ice-cream after dinner.. Hope to bump into Leandra at the till..
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somaartakeit
I agree Budapat they shld instead report on Helen Zille courtship with Vavi heheheM&G reported on the article I just cldn't believe that Helen will resort to that these tactics in her pursuit for 'power'? Somebody at the DA please remove that woman before she ruins everything achieved so far,Report Abuse
OLDLADY4
The Rothschild, ag, at my age, being "used" is what I can only hope for. Just last week I had to phone the cops to stop the burglars from exiting my house after only stealing some stuff.Report Abuse
The-Rothschilds
somaartakeit@The-Rothschilds
somaartakeit
"Dzel accusations..." what is it with you that makes you want to be right all the time?
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1) take your own advise?
2) im not trying to be right...........just saying that Dzel's point of this hole debate was really pointless which in the end exposed her racial tendencies, similarly you do the same thing, at the end of every debate you usually turn to your racist hatred for wh!te people and try to throw insults..........sadly for you, you could never get and racial slur out of me, nomatter how hurtful the insult was.........because im not like you and thank god, will never be!
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@Click@ OLDLADY4
@ somaartakeit
"We'll go to Spar to b.uy a 2lt ice-cream after dinner.. Hope to bump into Leandra at the till...." RTOFLOL
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The-Rothschilds
DzelRothschild,
Word of advice, while the internet offers anonymity which I understand can appear empowering it is advisable to engage with respect especially toward people who are older than you. This speaks to your character, we can all see what kind of a person you are based on what you write.
Your attack on oldlady is unwarranted especially given she was suggesting we keep to the topic. I did not take offense at her words, in fact I agree with her 100%.
It boils down to how one is raised I suppose.
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Do you know this woman personally?
You shouldnt use other bloggers to try and chicken out of a debate that you seriously screwed up with your own racial tendencies. You started the fire boy!
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somaartakeit
@Rotschild tjo you did learn a lot frm malema using race card for all it worth, you like Leandre shld however back your accusations with facts esp if you are gonna make such serious accusations. That wld help make your claims credible, if you know what I mean, anyway I now am off to play with my mates, so good nite.Report Abuse
Dzel
@OLDLADY4The Rothschild, ag, at my age, being "used" is what I can only hope for. Just last week I had to phone the cops to stop the burglars from exiting my house after only stealing some stuff.
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LOL.... hehehehe. LOL.
I am laughing my a** off oldlady, good one ... LOL.
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somaartakeit
and just before I leave what was racial from me to you last week?Report Abuse
OLDLADY4
The-Rothschild, ...this hole debate..... So correct. A debate full of holes. If you really wanted to see me red-faced, you should have commented on my use of the word "monologue", when referring to two parties communicating, not my loud trap. Hey, can anything be loud in cyberspace?Click, and use me, please use me. I'd like to pi.ss my children off by throwing away all my money after some young ......., just like that father who sold his house and threw his daughters out.
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Dzel
Rothchild,Do you know this woman personally?
You shouldnt use other bloggers to try and chicken out of a debate that you seriously screwed up with your own racial tendencies. You started the fire boy!
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I don't have to know her personally to judge her character, same goes for you.
Don't call me boy, it must be emancipating hiding behind the internet but I'd say that to my face.
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Galfrend
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somaartakeit@Rotschild tjo you did learn a lot frm malema using race card for all it worth, you like Leandre shld however back your accusations with facts esp if you are gonna make such serious accusations. That wld help make your claims credible, if you know what I mean, anyway I now am off to play with my mates, so good nite.
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WHen have you never used the race card?
Good night
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somaartakeit
@eKapaGalfrend lol wrong forum mate she's at BB house, lol
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@The-Rothschildssomaartakeit
@Rotschild tjo you did learn a lot frm malema using race card for all it worth, you like Leandre shld however back your accusations with facts esp if you are gonna make such serious accusations. That wld help make your claims credible, if you know what I mean, anyway I now am off to play with my mates, so good nite.
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WHen have you never used the race card?
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you see you make wild accusation, what is it with you which makes you fancy yourself a racism victim? pliz man
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The-Rothschilds
DzelRothchild,
Do you know this woman personally?
You shouldnt use other bloggers to try and chicken out of a debate that you seriously screwed up with your own racial tendencies. You started the fire boy!
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I don't have to know her personally to judge her character, same goes for you.
Don't call me boy, it must be emancipating hiding behind the internet but I'd say that to my face.
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I wouldnt trust your judge of character, and i dont think any colour3d would either
Now that you have screwed up big time in the debate, you start resorting to threats? Where would you like to meet loud mouth? bring who you want BOY!
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Dzel
Have you guys seen extracts from Ken Sinclair's (Cape tech student) Facebook page?My word! what is this country coming to mara he?
#shaken to the core#
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MommaC
The-RothschildsIts 16:20
Go have a beer, relax and unwind. You are getting way too worked up over a string of comments.
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Dzel
Rothschild,You just need to go to the playground so you can play with children of the same age as you. I think we all need to ignore you from now on since you clearly don't have anything of substance to add.
You have proven though what kind of scum votes for the DA.
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OLDLADY4
Oh BOY, can I be there? Please, please. Will pay entrance fee. How about it Click? After our burgers, we go watch Dzel and The Rothschild go at it. And let's invite the girl this article was about ( what's her name again?) too.Report Abuse
OLDLADY4
Dzel, I haven't done this Facebook thing yet. Gonna sign up, or whatever it is you do to go read what you're talking about. Sounds interesting.Report Abuse
The-Rothschilds
somaartakeitRacism victim???? YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING, says the one who spends hours trying to defend the poor wounded hearts of the black majority from any opinion that other races may have in general about how things should be done in this country.
Not to mention you are the one who spends hours researching "racial victim mentality issues" such as racial medical disorders..........i mean what normal person would go and research such disorders about wh!te people if they did not have some little obsession or something really wierd in their mad minds to do so.............and you say im a racial victim.
I just did not appreciate you and Dzel to try and say because of this Jessica, one should not vote DA because a DA voter is just like this girl, which is complete rubbish............who knows how Dzel managed to ascertain that colour3ds are the root cause of Western Cape racism from all of this, only his racist mind would know.
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MommaC
DzelHave you seen his actual page? I couldn't find it.
Scary ish. I thought it was some Yankie yahoo in the beginning
Old Lady
I saw it at
durbanbella.blogspot.com/2012/04/racism-on-social-media-ken-sinclair.html
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MommaCThe-Rothschilds
Its 16:20
Go have a beer, relax and unwind. You are getting way too worked up over a string of comments.
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Very chilled MommaC
Dzel threatened me, just wanna see how man enough he is
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MommaCThe-Rothschilds
Its 16:20
Go have a beer, relax and unwind. You are getting way too worked up over a string of comments.
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Clearly pissed off for being exposed by an arrogant black, I am sure he subscribes to the Bell Curve Theory fully.
Next thing he will be telling me how backwa.rd black people would be had it not been for wh.ites, right Rothschild?
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Rothschild,Dzel threatened me, just wanna see how man enough he is
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Well you won't achieve that sitting behind your computer screen, you must feel like a man right now. I am sure you can't wait to tell your friends how you told this arrogant native off right.
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DzelMommaC
The-Rothschilds
Its 16:20
Go have a beer, relax and unwind. You are getting way too worked up over a string of comments.
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Clearly pissed off for being exposed by an arrogant black, I am sure he subscribes to the Bell Curve Theory fully.
Next thing he will be telling me how backwa.rd black people would be had it not been for wh.ites, right Rothschild?
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unlike you, whos outright racism has been exposed......i dont drop to your level and make assumptions about races...............and yes..............it was arrogant of you to make such assumptions about colour3ds and wh!te people in general and still tried to justify that with "opinions" you have heard from people you know in Cape Town..................you screwed up this debate big time mate...........theres no credit to anything you have been saying.
So where are we going to meet, since you so arrogantly believe i will only take you on behind a computer screen.........lets do it now in public!
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MommaC
Well I'm going to take my own advice. A nice glass of wine is far more attractive than all this agro being thrown around here. Its only Monday!Report Abuse
MommaC
Come on now guys. Holster your testosterone and go have a cool beerReport Abuse
OLDLADY4
That must be Click hooting. Thanks MommaC. Will go read it later.Report Abuse
The-Rothschilds
DzelRothschild,
You just need to go to the playground so you can play with children of the same age as you. I think we all need to ignore you from now on since you clearly don't have anything of substance to add.
You have proven though what kind of scum votes for the DA.
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Another baseless assumption about DA voters? Christ dude, you are reaching a point of no return
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Dzel
Peace mense, I'm outta here.Rothschild, I will leave you think you've won this round, good for you son.
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DzelRothschild,
Dzel threatened me, just wanna see how man enough he is
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Well you won't achieve that sitting behind your computer screen, you must feel like a man right now. I am sure you can't wait to tell your friends how you told this arrogant native off right.
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Yawn...........you said it, not me
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The-Rothschilds
DzelPeace mense, I'm outta here.
Rothschild, I will leave you think you've won this round, good for you son.
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WHat was i spose to have won exactly? You did all the damage yourself!
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manfordm
racist is natural but dont show off yo racist tendaciesReport Abuse
Geeny
they shud have slapped her hard!!! nxa racist!! how did she even write that word!! she doesnt deserve to liveReport Abuse
Geeny
oh we have anotehr Ken Sinclair the facebook racistReport Abuse
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