PRESIDENT Jacob Zuma endeared himself to rural communities in Eastern Cape when he delivered tractors and Nguni cattle in a move derided by his detractors as a political campaign to entrench himself.
Of course it is. And about the most transparent thing he has done in his leadership. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Budapat
it's time you do it yourself JZ otherwise you running out of luck towards Mangaung coz your bras are screwing you, UMSHINI WAM Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Phunyukabemphethe
Msholozi should be farmer not President cause if it was not for COSATU, DA, OUTA,BUSA, AFRIFORUM etc will be paying those goal spot he put it with his cabinets on the highways Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
mambaaai
how does the cost of tractors and some cattle compare to wasted money caused by inefficiency in the government, or compared to the cost of ANC celebrations. how does the cost of these tractors and some cattle compare to the money that will flow out the country through the stupidly e toll system, or the arms deal for example? Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Uncompromising
What is that title of Slikour's controvesial song? Who is is making who a fool in this instance? Who i ask? Who? Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Duke18n
This showerhead think this little stunt will save him from Mangaung waterloo? he gotta think again because the theme is called *Asijiki* and we won't be turning back for real. We can't afford to fund weddings instead of helping the poor people in poor communities. Its about time he finds things to do with his many wives and stop the lil campaign trail bcoz it wont get him no way. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
ISH11121
why is zuma always helping people of KZN only? this becomes disgusting Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
Mr Zuma is a good man with good intentions - its a lovely idea for government and businesses to work together as partners but he must be careful not to grey the lines too much.
mmmmm.
Blurry lines all over the show Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Ndese1
@ISH11121
why is zuma always helping people of KZN only? this becomes disgusting.
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@ISH11121 Did you even bother to read to the article or you just like commenting. Zuma gave the cattle and tractors to the Eastern Cape province. Do it yourself Zuma since your comrades are disappointing you. The president continue to uplift rural areas. We thank you for uplifting Driefontein in Mpumalanga.
Obviously it is all about politics, kissing babies, delivering cows and tractors - does not matter however, glad for these people in the EC getting a bit of a boost - hopefully these "gifts" will be used wisely, improve the lives of these people, result in better education in their future, to hopefully vote in people in government with better abilities and selfless motives .. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Theotherguy
@ISH11121
why is zuma always helping people of KZN only? this becomes disgusting
Good question, all the projects are in KZN, but this one you are off the mark Butterwoth is in E.Cape....at least you teach ignorant people like you that ignorance is not bliss...knowledge is power.......empower yourself with knowledge and stop embarassing yourself like this.
Zuma is a crafty politician....JajazQueen says he has good intentions really, never not Zuma, his intentions are very clear to get the second term so that he can support his ever growing family Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
What about me Mr Pres.ident I also want a freee tractor for my farm, how can I get to be a beneficiary? Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@Theotherguy
Zuma is a crafty politician....JajazQueen says he has good intentions really, never not Zuma, his intentions are very clear to get the second term so that he can support his ever growing family
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I am sure you are very familiar with politics???? A politician has to be very crafty to survive....and Zuma is learning fast and that's a good thing.
So what guys? Just bcoz some of us want him out of the office does not mean he must stop performing his duties, having said all that, like Duke18n said above "asijiki" come Mangaung. Practice makes you perfect JZ, that is what you are gonna be doing in Nkandla after Mangaung. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
I want to know that the bloggers that are busy verbaiging the Mangaung threats are delegates? Because I can tell that they are not even members of the glorious movement. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Tusedi
Come the f*** on, the guy was DELIVERING ON HIS promise on rural development, its his duty to deliver and has nothing to do with Mangaung, it is open secret that we shall give him another term. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@MorenaWaPolelo
I want to know that the bloggers that are busy verbaiging the Mangaung threats are delegates? Because I can tell that they are not even members of the glorious movement.
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Clap...Clap...Clap...Clap...Clap...not even voters!!!!
Glorious movement sies!movement of the criminals now they are freeing each other. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Theotherguy
@ Morena wa Polelo want to know that the bloggers that are busy verbaiging the Mangaung threats are delegates? Because I can tell that they are not even members of the glorious movement
Typical response from Mantashe wannabe....do you need to be a delegate to comment about Mangaung, this are matters of national concern ANC is the ruling party, so whatever the outcome at Mangaung is going to affect me whethet I am a delegate or not....your comment is unfortunate to say the least
Clap...Clap...Clap...Clap...Clap...not even voters!!!!
My word......Morena wa polelo you got yourself a praise singer
Mr President must also give the people sata ya matekwane Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@Theotherguy
Typical response from Mantashe wannabe....do you need to be a delegate to comment about Mangaung, this are matters of national concern ANC is the ruling party, so whatever the outcome at Mangaung is going to affect me whethet I am a delegate or not....your comment is unfortunate to say the least
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Commenting is one thing...pretending to be part of the delegation is another.
@Theotherguy
Commenting is one thing...pretending to be part of the delegation is another.
You would not know the difference between the pretender and the real delegate would you? unless of course if you are a soothsayer
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I guess a non pretender would know internal politics ..........
Well Done Mr President "Ingwe idla ngamabala ayo" some may say it a political stunt, So what! It will benefits people. Unlike some people who calls themself champions for poor people while there are tender champions for themselfs and their buddies. It money well spent then that money used for Youth Congress sponsored by NYDA and that used to pay international RnB stars by Mbalula. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Bebesocs
In Transkei and Ciskei that is not new Matanzima and Sebe have already done that hence we have places like Magwa tea plantation, the irrigation schemes, so whats new. Mr President try something new and creative to uplift those rural areas which have been neglected. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Bebesocs
This annoys me more because they just leave those tractors who is going to maintain them? Check after 6 months. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
MommaC
Bebesocs
Magwa tea plantation is a wreck. It has failed completely. You can thank the stupid unions for that Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Theotherguy
@ JajazQueen I guess a non pretender would know internal politics ..........
@Theotherguy
Typical response from Mantashe wannabe....do you need to be a delegate to comment about Mangaung, this are matters of national concern ANC is the ruling party, so whatever the outcome at Mangaung is going to affect me whethet I am a delegate or not....your comment is unfortunate to say the least
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Theo you need to learn to keep you emotions out of the debate I was simply asking an innocent question.By calling me Manatshe wanna be is unfortunate Sir what will affect you is the cynism that is associated with people like you when it comes to ANC politics and that also is unfortunate Sir Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
KeRataBasadi
Futsek..... get rid of this imbecile ko mangaung-nyana ya lona ya masipa. This country has no government under his "leadership", its a Guptament. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Skomoro99
The only ppl 2 confuse r in rural areas,they always do thiz kind of things n liv them dry after elections.Wateva Zuma is doing is 4 his own gain nt the ppl. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Tango
President Zuma is doing a very good job and i would love to see him get a 2nd term.Viva Zuma viva. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
EC people, please don't lose focus on the goal, this guy is just trying to bribe his way to second term presidency, and if you fall for it, this will mean he will further saddle on our shoulders with more brides whose nests wld need to be cushioned by your tax. So please be smart and focus, if he gave you tractors, that's about the least the anc regime cld do considering all the tax they have siphoned to-date,
EC operation ASIJIKI is full swing, FOCUS!!! Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@Tango
President Zuma is doing a very good job and i would love to see him get a 2nd term.Viva Zuma viva.
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I fail to understand why these tractors are left with tribal chiefs, it is serious disturbing since these chiefs think these tractors belong to them Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
I will vote for the ANC regardles of Zuma's second term because ANC is the only political party that took power and accomodated all people regardless of race and religion.
it is also an insult that the ruling party, ONLY EVER deliver most basic needs when its nearer to elections, and yet they NEVER fail to raid public purse with such determination and vengeance throughout the time they are in gov,
The anc should have by now (since the take over in 1994) trained at least 10,000 farmers, and those farmers should have been supported with necessary resources they would need to hit the ground running,
This deliverance of resources in drips and drabs only during electioneering is an insult to the ppl of SA especially the previously marginalised whose issues are now being politicised,
EC I have never beg for anything in my life, but I am now begging you guys to do the right thing, take your dignity back from the anc gov looters, the reason your kids still study under trees and classes falling to pieces is because the anc regime stole the monies earmarked to improve your lives, simpleton zooma's doling out of tractors is tantamount to bribery to gain votes, EC please have self respect and vote on your conscience that you deserve better than being used as subjects of bribery. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
@Dandan
I fail to understand why these tractors are left with tribal chiefs, it is serious disturbing since these chiefs think these tractors belong to them
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That is posible good observation!!!!!Sir Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
TO prove to you that the anc regime its president in particular is taking you for ride, look at how much these tractors cost (tax payers) and compare that with how much they've spent on parties to celebrate mediocre, whilst most of you in the EC rural areas have no access to the very basics. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@MorenaWaPolelo
I will vote for the ANC regardles of Zuma's second term because ANC is the only political party that took power and accomodated all people regardless of race and religion.
Ho.sh! how can a former prisoner lead a country without corruption? He is not afriad of nongoloza 28 in jail as he is been there before! LOL Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@@Dandan
I fail to understand why these tractors are left with tribal chiefs, it is serious disturbing since these chiefs think these tractors belong to them
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its a bribe cause the chief for so many many years have been the tools used to pawn African ppl's resources and human resources, today we are stuck with land reform which has stagnated, it was originally the chiefs who traded off our land with mirrors and bottles of whiskeys, now they are about to trade of futures of the EC children for tractor why mara black ppl always sell themselves short? can you actualy imagine how much tractors this community wld have received ONLY if they had cuorage to take power from these chiefs (anc stoogies) and ultimately from the anc gov looters?
Guys operation ASIJIKI is a vehicle to help us wrestle our country from the political thieves please lets get the ball rolling, don't be deflected by bribery with tractors, we have much more to gain if we dislodge these crooks from power. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@Dandan
I fail to understand why these tractors are left with tribal chiefs, it is serious disturbing since these chiefs think these tractors belong to them
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Chiefs are now being used as an extension of governance in the rural areas. They handle issues that municipalities would. Gives them some tangible responsibility as I feel they are a useles inheritance from coloniasm.
@Hoshpelepelewa26Zikuphi
Ho.sh! how can a former prisoner lead a country without corruption? He is not afriad of nongoloza 28 in jail as he is been there before! LOL
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Whilst I dislike zooma for everything his regime stands for, I don't think its right to use his prison profile (as a political prisoner from an unjustice regime at the time) against him, if he was showing us a tiny thread that he is working in our interests as a country, even those opposed to the anc, wld do so respectfully, its not the first time anc regime has been opposed, during the time when one cld say we had most popular president (for his leadership sk!lls) there was already opposition against anc regime, but it was done respectfully, zooma fails to respect our national values and is abusing our resources when embarking on personal interests and in some instances to persecute private citizens, it is for this reason amongst others that SOME SAns have hard time respecting this guy in our opposing his political stand point. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
@somaartakeit
I urge you to vote for the ANC Sir!!!! Since you know all the stregeties and polictiking as a matter of principle Sir if the EC community feel that they are being deceiv;ed they must accept the tractors and vote for somebody else Sir. No one is going to smoke them out of their farm houses and kiII them ala Zim if they excersise democracy you hatred for Zuma and ANC is killi.ng objectivity Sir. Zuma was doing this out of his personal capacity as he is permited to do so!!!! Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Malambakupikwa
heheheheheh it will be tough in Mangaung... Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
@Malambakupikwa
heheheheheh it will be tough in Mangaung...
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What do you me.an dear? Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@MorenaWaPolelo I don't have to vote for anc or any party in order to have a say (express my political view-point), the anc (unfortunately) as a gov,its activities affects me (tax) so they are not going to get away with screwing around with my tax,
on the other hand wena if you wanna give politicians signed black cheque be my guest and its your democratic right to a slave to your masters (politicians) Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
Operation ASIJIKI all the way has kicked started in the EC, ngalo mazwi ke maqobo namaqobokazani, ndithi Manguang here we come!!! Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
It is also nice to see that the anc thieves on their toes upon realising they are about to lose EC, hehehe now that wld be epic loss considering liberation struggle EC contributed and that best leaders of the once proud movement come from there, Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
IF zooma was not a tribesman above being a country's president all this wld not be happening, cause his national leadership sk!lls wld prevail, he wld unite us and rally us behind the gov's goal of a better life for all, instead he is rallying his tribe for ZEE, now my friends, that can't be funded by national tax. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
Even the blind can see that anc has been hicked by Inkatha. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
@MorenaWaPolelo I don't have to vote for anc or any party in order to have a say (express my political view-point), the anc (unfortunately) as a gov,its activities affects me (tax) so they are not going to get away with screwing around with my tax,
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Every government will skrew around with your taxes. That's a major source of revenue for most governments. Maybe you should move to the middle east. You will not have the right to vote and will have to walk five steps behind your husband but taxation is minimal.
EC must NEVER forget what Inkatha to our ppl, if for any reasons you were still young then, please ask blade fmr inkatha who has now joined anc for self accumulations, ask him and when you do, you will do the right thing and vote against the wolf (inkatha) dressed poorly in she3p (anc) clothing,
The president runs a private organization, that then partners government to provide these benefits, which allows the president to take the credit for his ( or his political party's) own benefit ? What a lovely scam ! The president gets his access to the money that is used to "partner" the goverrnment, by virtue of the fact that he is the president. He is in effect abusing his office to get some limelight and credit for himself, while we, the taxpayer, are paying his salary to run the government not to use his office for political mileage.
The ANC has long ago shown that it has no respect at all for the distinction between state and party. Think centenary celebrations for just one example. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
"Every government will skrew around with your taxes"
I don't know if you have ever travele outside SA or ever worked outside SA cause you will know that in developed countries, will not arrogantly tell tax payers that 'you will have to live with it' like manyi did iro e-tolls. You will also know that gov in well governed countries deliver the basics to EVERYONE in their countries incl visitors/immigrants/refugees. IF you don't believe me, ask your anc colleagues who are on foreign missions abroad (West), they will confirm to you that gov schools/hospitals/justice system/public transport and all that is basic service delivery not a luxury as is the case in SA, some of them they have to ask from foreign office extension to remain in developed countries, cause they fear having to re-adjust when going back home, all this we expect from the gov is achievable, had their priorities were not to loot public purse, Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@cornelius
The president runs a private organization, that then partners government to provide these benefits, which allows the president to take the credit for his ( or his political party's) own benefit ? What a lovely scam ! The president gets his access to the money that is used to "partner" the goverrnment, by virtue of the fact that he is the president. He is in effect abusing his office to get some limelight and credit for himself, while we, the taxpayer, are paying his salary to run the government not to use his office for political mileage.
The ANC has long ago shown that it has no respect at all for the distinction between state and party. Think centenary celebrations for just one example.
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Actually you are commenting on a project you know nothing about, you never even knew this programme existed before reading this article. So please save me and everyone like me from your speculations of corruption. Do you think the president is that callous? Private and public partnerships have been a reality in this country for years.
And that Jaja is being paid for by tax and most of these countries don't pay as much tax as SAns do, so its only fair that we expect them to deliver some of the basic necessities.
BTW Jaja I strongly urge you to try get yourself in the foreign office of SA so you can have opportunity to be deployed in one of these developed nations, then you will see that you don't need a car, you don't need private medical aid, and your kids schooling in gov schools is as good as....
Do you realise how much saving SAn tax payers could take home if they didn't have to duplicate all the services (private and public). Jaja a lot of anc ppl like yourself who have not traveled outside SA think we should be content with mediocre service delivery and they think we should be content with ONLY receiving services during electioneering period, this is BS and even this they can't even do properly so its sustainable long after 5yrs the anc presidential incumbent has vacated office,
you know they are like these parents who b@y amagwinya lema hotwana when they get salaries, insetad of b@y groceries which will see them thru the month, so their children are feed and nourished till end of the month when stocks can be replenished, Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Still_leShandis
- Siyababongela abase EC, sibonga wena Msholozi!
- Now people of EC stand up and step up to the plate and work those tractors.... Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
MorenaWaPolelo
@somaartakeit
I think you are obsessed Sir but thanks for the debate Report Abuse
@MorenaWaPolelo
@somaartakeit
I think you are obsessed Sir but thanks for the debate
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obssessed with what? I am speaking out against injustice committed against SAns by this regime of corruption, and it is this corruption which has left many mainly black SAn destitute, and you have a problem with me saying no, loud and as often as I can against this injustice?
I do think that you have become too accustomed to being just a mere servant to your masters? Mna ke I am cut from different cloth, cause I will NEVER settle for less best. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@Tango not if its going to sell us short, no chance the EC is slipping through their fingers, it shows that the ppl are waking up to this power abuse, and that gives more energy to continue with the campaign against corrupt regime which shamelessly cause its ppl destitute, EC ASIJIKI Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
I don't know if you have ever travele outside SA or ever worked outside SA cause you will know that in developed countries, will not arrogantly tell tax payers that 'you will have to live with it' like manyi did iro e-tolls.
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Tolling exists in a larger scale overseas. But people there feel it less because majority use public transportation and the people who actually drive are a little well off and can afford to run cars. In this country tolling is felt by the upper working and middle class and unfortunately those are the same people apartheid was subsidizing. But this topic is about the empowerment of e.capers. I feel it is a wonderful programme as the e.cape is one of the poorest provinces we have.
somaartakeit
EC must NEVER forget what Inkatha to our ppl, if for any reasons you were still young then, please ask blade fmr inkatha who has now joined anc for self accumulations, ask him and when you do, you will do the right thing and vote against the wolf (inkatha) dressed poorly in she3p (anc) clothing,
OPERATION ASIJIKI!!!
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What ever you had this weekend was very strong for your small head next time stay away from it. You are c o n f u s e d. Mangaung is the ANC national congress not the country`s general election. Just bcoz we want Kgalema does not mean we won`t vote for the ANC in 2014 if JZ wins in Mangaung.
Some of us will be in Mangaung as delegates with b l a c k bags if need be, that is if you know what I mean. Report Abuse
@MorenaWaPolelo
@somaartakeit
I think you are obsessed Sir but thanks for the debate
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She has a tendency to go off the rails....especially on Mondays. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
uMnuz
What a wonderful story, I think Mr President is in a class of his own, a true and genuine humanitarian. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
cornelius
@ JajazQueen
Private and public partnerships are a good thing, but for the President himself to be the " private" partner is highly unusual. A president is paid to be or govern the " public" partner, not use his office to get access to funds that allows him to pose as the " private" partner as well.
It is not a question of being callous, just a little devious. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@Jaja in any-case there is a rumour that the anc is considering or is on the verge to scrap the e-tolls cause of the strain its caused within its alliance partners, if that happens it wld be a victory for the ppl.
As for the empo werment comment. Jaja empowe rment starts in schools (developmental stages) the anc failed in this respect dismally esp in the EC,
This tractors that are just being dumped there, how will they be maintained?have they gov mechanics or places to service these in the rural EC? how will this project be sustained? Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
skhokho21
JajazQueen
@Dandan
I fail to understand why these tractors are left with tribal chiefs, it is serious disturbing since these chiefs think these tractors belong to them
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Chiefs are now being used as an extension of governance in the rural areas. They handle issues that municipalities would. Gives them some tangible responsibility as I feel they are a useles inheritance from coloniasm.
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Chiefs, just like King Zwelithini are recognised by our constitution. Nothing happen in those rural areas without informing the Chief and people in these areas prefer it that way, its their way of life. I bet JZ entourage had to inform the Chief of that area for their visit in advance and that is the protocol. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@Corne I was saying IF SAn tax payers didn't have to pay to double for both private and public services such as medical and school, security, transport then it wld not be so expensive to fund this regime. sorry I shld have made that point clear:-)
on the president comment, zooma is both callous and devious that he saddles SAns with his personal expenses, he doesnt' need so m any w!feries that are being funded by public money, part of the money wasted on this project cld be diverted to urgent and necessary service delivery, instead majority citizens find themselves waitign for 18yrs for services to be delivered, this is not on (imo) Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Tusedi
Nothing hectic will happen in Mangaung, that's how it is supposed to be Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@cornelius
@ JajazQueen
Private and public partnerships are a good thing, but for the President himself to be the " private" partner is highly unusual. A president is paid to be or govern the " public" partner, not use his office to get access to funds that allows him to pose as the " private" partner as well.
It is not a question of being callous, just a little devious.
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Like I said my political friend, you are commenting on a project you know very little about. I think it is very brave for them to partner with government as this can be very dicey. Capitalists, especially in a country like ours do not like government partnerships as they tend to be misinterpreted as undercover socialist activities.
@JajazQueen
@MorenaWaPolelo
@somaartakeit
I think you are obsessed Sir but thanks for the debate
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She has a tendency to go off the rails....especially on Mondays.
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becuz I have had enough time to reflect on how much ruthless screwing frm the gov the citizens have been subjected to, and my conscientious will not let me do nothing about that, I told you that social justice is my ambition. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Mbongo
Some of your comments are not realistc. When Zuma delivers you complain that he is campaigning. When he is giving poor people, you complain that he and the ANC is not delivering. What actual do you want? Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
@Jaja in any-case there is a rumour that the anc is considering or is on the verge to scrap the e-tolls cause of the strain its caused within its alliance partners, if that happens it wld be a victory for the ppl.
As for the empo werment comment. Jaja empowe rment starts in schools (developmental stages) the anc failed in this respect dismally esp in the EC,
This tractors that are just being dumped there, how will they be maintained?have they gov mechanics or places to service these in the rural EC? how will this project be sustained?
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Here you are predicting the future again.....take some Kura powder and sleep it off....
@Mbongo what took zooma so long to deliver the tractors? sorry I forgot he was busy getting married for the past 3yrs when he is not busy hiring shoddy ppl in positions of power forcing opposition to have these appointments reviewed by the courts thus further wastign country's time iro deadline on deliverance of basics, we are not going to settle for less, the gov must deliver services timeously and consistently, and gov must engage with municipalities we are a not kingdom governed by kings we have a gov, creation of kingship is result in us tax payers funding existence of these ppl who add no value in our lives, Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@jaja I am not predicting, everyone using 1% of braincells can see that the e-tolling is causing much stress amongst the alliance [partners, zooma as he is gunning for second term can't afford this, sot he best possible thing to do, is instruct the anc to stall the process till after elections, cause the anc has become accustomed to the gold fishes memory span of SAns, as the saying goes, throw peanuts to the monkeys, little did I know that it wld be the anc doing this to the citizens cause many expected so much from it. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
Not only are yo predicting the future, you are off topic.
"Not only are yo predicting the future, you are off topic" SO? is that against the rules since I am not insulting anyone? afterall future of SAn politics is predicable, cause we have no brainers as leaders, you shld be glad that I am predicting it, and you should take this advice in your stride. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
MissBhakajuju
uMnuz
What a wonderful story, I think Mr President is in a class of his own, a true and genuine humanitarian
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what is so unusual about giving out tractors ? yes, we do need to give credit where its due, but Please he's not the first person to do this, even some Premiers have done this before, or is JZ being praised, since he's hardly seen doing anything Productive ? Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
KeRataBasadi
@ skhokho21
JajazQueen
@Dandan
I fail to understand why these tractors are left with tribal chiefs, it is serious disturbing since these chiefs think these tractors belong to them
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Chiefs are now being used as an extension of governance in the rural areas. They handle issues that municipalities would. Gives them some tangible responsibility as I feel they are a useles inheritance from coloniasm.
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Chiefs, just like King Zwelithini are recognised by our constitution. Nothing happen in those rural areas without informing the Chief and people in these areas prefer it that way, its their way of life. I bet JZ entourage had to inform the Chief of that area for their visit in advance and that is the protocol.
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Jah, people in these areas prefer it that way, thats why young men and women are flocking into the cities leaving their illiterate parents and grand parents behind because they do not want to sing the praises of sellout chiefs like their parents have been doing for ages, angithi, the world is changing baba, if we dont move with it we will get trampled over and over again. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Tango
skhokho21
Just bcoz we want Kgalema does not mean we won`t vote for the ANC in 2014 if JZ wins in Mangaung.
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Just bcoz we want JZ 2nd term does not mean we won`t vote for the ANC in 2014 if Kgalema wins in Mangaung.
"Not only are yo predicting the future, you are off topic" SO? is that against the rules since I am not insulting anyone? afterall future of SAn politics is predicable, cause we have no brainers as leaders, you shld be glad that I am predicting it, and you should take this advice in your stride.
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I think it is against the rules, we normally go off topic when someone comments a blatant lie... but I was thinking that since the normal bloggers are off to their expensive holiday destinations and poor buggers like us have to work, we could keep a healthy debate.
Healthy debate? Chanting "viva" is debate? Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@Click
When you deliver fr.ee Hummers & SUV's.. You'll get my vote
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ROTFLOL you read my mind dude, cause tractors are not interesting for the youth SA they want maserates like the ones driven by khulubuso zooma, so its a question of what' good for the goose sadly our Shawara here who is out of touch with the needs of the youth has missed the the service deliverance call. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@Tango
skhokho21
"Just bcoz we want JZ 2nd term does not mean we won`t vote for the ANC in 2014 if Kgalema wins in Mangaung" I could settle for Mothlante not that I think he is the best the anc can offer, but I guess he is better than this dancing queen! Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
RobinH
CLick: I sometimes hum and I'm f r e e at the moment. I guess that makes me a f r e e hummer. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@RobinH
Healthy debate? Chanting "viva" is debate?
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Looks like someone else didnt have the money for an expensive holiday.
uzooma is a afraid cause he thought that by expelling malema he has won the battle, it turns out the malema supporters in the EC have provided him (malema) with platform to continue expressing his views to the public at large, that platform is called FYL, I have to say the youth have pulled the mat frm under anc NEC's feet, and I love them for that, I don't necessarily agree with most of Malema's views but that's no reason to suppress his right to express them, and what is also coming anc regime way is that malema is going to head int'l youth desk, so we have not heard the last of him...lol
Wena jaja you are jealous cause you couldn't go on holiday, now you are taking out your frustration on me:-) Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Tasto
Not sure but I think other groups or areas are off of his radar like Northern Cape and its people !! Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Click
@ somaartakeit
Maybe he (Zuma) should consider being chauffeured in a tractor on his next wedding day.. *Top-notch president indeed*
@somaartakeit
Wena jaja you are jealous cause you couldn't go on holiday, now you are taking out your frustration on me:-)
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Some of us have to work...
Am not frustrated with you....it's your hangover I am concerned about...it's making you rattle offcourse??? Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@Tasto zooma is nervous cause anc losing EC because of him mainly, will be a huge political blow to the anc, and you know what, Winnie who has a lot of influence at ground roots has clearly stated that there will be leadership change in Manguang, if I was zooma, I wld working an exit strategy, also a lot of ppl in the last gen elections in the EC wldn't have voted for the anc were it not for Mandla Mandela brandishing Madiba in an anc rally, for his personal gain, cause as a direct result of that, mandla now has 2 salaries as a chief and as MP, this is what I call urhwaphilizo! Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
RobinH
JJQ: Yip. Just your average worker bee. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@Tasto
Not sure but I think other groups or areas are off of his radar like Northern Cape and its people !!
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Lots of programmes going on there as well. Also I think we must keep a clear head of which services are required where?
@Jajaz I actually don't consume that much alcohol in order to have a hangover, I am social drinker so madam, pliz don't assume you know stuff abt me!
WRT 'rattling' I prefer to call it agitating, that's what's done by small ppl like myself when addressing powers be who fail to understand needs of the ppl at grassroots, and I will continue to 'rattle' till they transform all the shacks into RDP houses, till then the 'rattling' continues.... Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@Jajaz as you have assumed a role as anc spokesperson, what is your view on the scrapping of e-tolls? personally I think it wld be a huge victory for SAns but a huge set back for the looters who stood to wrongfully gain on this project. It wld have also meant that democracy has triumphed, you anc guys shld really pay attention cause the ppl are showing you guys that they are not taking BS no more from you guys, the MAT I understand have challenged successfully, Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
Yep, I know all about social drinkers - every time someone says, 'I'll have a drink', they have one too.
@Jajaz hehehe funny you are willing to discuss my drinking tho its out of topic of course, and then you refuse to discuss e-toll possible scrapping/and development (schooling) in the EC? Jaja I think you feel better when topic/discussion is in your favour? Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Tasto
@JajazQueen
The only thing you will hear abt these other areas is the constant struggle to enclose those exposed open toilets, cadres are still battling to win a tender !! Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@Tasto
PS - Did you mean Lots of problems instead Lots of programmes ?
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Must be programmes, I try to stay on the positive side....I very seldom focus on problems.
@Jaja LOL here I thought I made my thoughts clear even to you that I think this is nothing more a vote b@ying ego trip, and I shall expect that EC'nians will not fall for this cheap trick! Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@Tasto
@JajazQueen
The only thing you will hear abt these other areas is the constant struggle to enclose those exposed open toilets, cadres are still battling to win a tender !!
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My friend keep talking toilets....most of us are talking university of mpumalanga....
@somaartakeit - I think its childish and insulting to EC ppl.First they remove Manyi from EC education after a very looong time then EC Premier recvently set up a task team of some sort.They pace at which things are happening leaves more questions than answers !!
Hey guys I scanned thru the article it doesn't say how many were these tractors, if anyone knows how much was spent, so we can compare that price against our tax which went towards renovating Nkandla kraal and maintainance to the haremites at tax payers expense, then we compare this delivery of tractors against that, so we can all see if fair and even distribution of resources to better lives of all has been applied in this instance. Or this is just throwing a bone to 10 d0gs to keep them amused Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Sandile84
Motlanthe for President!!! Malema and Zuma must go and stay in Nkandla and Seshego respectively permanently. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@Tasto
@somaartakeit - I think its childish and insulting to EC ppl.First they remove Manyi from EC education after a very looong time then EC Premier recvently set up a task team of some sort.They pace at which things are happening leaves more questions than answers !!
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So therefore qabane lets transmit this message through to the mass and prevent this president from insulting us ever again. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Tasto
@JajazQueen - do not tell me abt onverrated FET college only diffence it be new building/campus at taxpayers money !!
@somaartakeit
@Jaja LOL here I thought I made my thoughts clear even to you that I think this is nothing more a vote b@ying ego trip, and I shall expect that EC'nians will not fall for this cheap trick!
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Personally, I think its a good trick since their province is in a good position to sustain itself with farming projects. So encouraging farming is a good way to kickstart w.e.a.l.t.h generation.
@Jajaz sustainable farming can ONLY be realised if we have trained farmers and these farmers are supported not have tractors dumped at them, it needs more than just a tractor to farm and sustain such, pliz man jaja try to think outside Luthuli Hse box for this once.... Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Tasto
@Mjamisto
Sicelo Shiceka is no more- News 24
may his soul rest in peace
How we wished most who were in cabinet with him could do so alike !! Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@Tasto
@JajazQueen - do not tell me abt onverrated FET college only diffence it be new building/campus at taxpayers money !!
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Tax monies are a source of funds for government??? You have a different option??
@Tasto
@Mjamisto
Sicelo Shiceka is no more- News 24
may his soul rest in peace
How we wished most who were in cabinet with him could do so alike !!
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LoL I feel you qabane, lol Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Tasto
Guys I was driving from EC yesterday long distance, pity did not have a camera or was busy driving when I saw something funny along the road.Between Cradock and Queenstown there are lots of maintance roadworks and I happen to see monkeys playing on one of the tractors on the roadside and one sitting on top of the steering wheel and the other on the driver's chair !! Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
KeRataBasadi
@ Tasto
@Mjamisto
Sicelo Shiceka is no more- News 24
may his soul rest in peace
How we wished most who were in cabinet with him could do so alike !!
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I'd rather they be fired than dead, the likes of terror-blanch though, i cannot say the same. RIP Shiceks. PS: Zuma might be next, unless showers do perfom miracles. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Click
Give the Western Cape a South African map (EC is outside SA according to a "madam")
Give Limpopo Julius Malema (His Sandton house is on auction)
Give North West more police vans (To fight service delivery protests)
@JajazQueen - I do not want to debate with you because the last time you left some taste in my mouth when we raised issue of trainkets fare increases and petrol increase you asound indefferent like the government towards the plight of the poor !!
Sicelo Shiceka's passing, Heart breaking news indeed. just because a Comrade has been found corrupt, doesn't mean he has to d.ie, especially so young. I wish our Politicians or Ministers, would resign from their jobs, while still perfoming well. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Tasto
@KeRataBasadi
PS - Some1 on news.24 commented that "its a small dent to corruption" Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@Click
Give the Western Cape a South African map (EC is outside SA according to a "madam")
---------------------------------------LoL the 'madam' cld really p@t herself on the firing line with her political gaffes, Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@MsBhaka... I wld agree had he had decency to acknowledge wrong doing iro him abusing tax payers resources, acknowledgement and apology wld have gone a long and attempt to redress the dent caused to public purse wld enable many to feel sad for him, but guess what? many in the EC had to ask gov to intervene as they can't afford funeral services for their loved one, on the other hand Shiceka looted enough at expense of those suffering as a direct result of his selfish actions, I will always remember him as just another corrupt anc gov official who ruthlessly and arrogantly raided public purse. May the looting of our tax haunt his soul. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
Tasto
@JajazQueen - I do not want to debate with you because the last time you left some taste in my mouth when we raised issue of trainkets fare increases and petrol increase you asound indefferent like the government towards the plight of the poor !!
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This is a f.r.e.e. thread...you can debate with anyone you prefer to debate with. I will continue to comment on any comment I see requires me to comment on. I really have no time for childish bloggers who think this is about them and those who agree with them. Grow up!
Tasto
Guys I was driving from EC yesterday long distance, pity did not have a camera or was busy driving when I saw something funny along the road.Between Cradock and Queenstown there are lots of maintance roadworks and I happen to see monkeys playing on one of the tractors on the roadside and one sitting on top of the steering wheel and the other on the driver's chair !!
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thats the point you dont have camera phone because you are stupid always thinking of stupid things instead of making riches Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@Jajaz no one here is expecting of you to agree with them all the time, otherwise this wldn't be a debate, but the issue is your indifference to anc corrupt and the consequences of such to the ppl at large, if you can at least admit the wrong on the part of these gov officials then most of us wldn't need to be antagonistic in our approach. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Tasto
@JajazQueen - learn to be objective and self critical next time.Stop being too obsessed with anc.They lost the moral compass long time ago and they would never change as long we have ppl who chose to rest their thinking faculties !!
@somaartakeit
@Jajaz no one here is expecting of you to agree with them all the time, otherwise this wldn't be a debate, but the issue is your indifference to anc corrupt and the consequences of such to the ppl at large, if you can at least admit the wrong on the part of these gov officials then most of us wldn't need to be antagonistic in our approach.
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The ANC is not a corrupt party, it just gets infiltrated by corrupt individuals.
@Tasto the other day she said there are no alternatives (according to her) to the anc, to a certain degree I can understand this, but to give anc corrupt fre.e reign at expense of tax payers money and defend that, is in itself an act of being immoral. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Charley4sure
Shower is not romentic, he didn't even go to the honey moon. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
SeshegoGuY
Thank God im not the only one working today....Misery loves Company!
EC Education department is in a crisis & most schools don't even have books & our President delivers tractors---Nice going Msholozi, Our kids' future clearly takes a back seat Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@Tasto
@JajazQueen - learn to be objective and self critical next time.Stop being too obsessed with anc.They lost the moral compass long time ago and they would never change as long we have ppl who chose to rest their thinking faculties !!
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If anyone is obsessed by the ANC it think it would be you. I do not spend time watching their every move, critisising their every work and actions. All I do is correct the false allegations against the ANC and cast my vote in the favour. You should try it - less stressful!
"The ANC is not a corrupt party, it just gets infiltrated by corrupt individuals" Jaja please correct me if I am wrong, to infiltrate an entity or an organisation, one has to do that without the knowledge of members or associates in that organisation right? infiltration is an act of deceit? in the case of the anc, they KNOWINGLY chose zooma who at the time had 783 charges of corruption hanging over his head, what does this make them? collaborators to corruption, does that not make them an organisation that is inherently corrupt, an organisation which does not quell corruption/une thical behaviour amongst its high ranking officials?
@Charley4sure
Shower is not romentic, he didn't even go to the honey moon.
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I never went on honeymoon when I got married too. All they did was put a big blanket on my shoulders and a black doek on my head and I spent three months cleaning my mother inlaw's house...sh@t!
@JajazQueen
@Charley4sure
"I never went on honeymoon when I got married too. All they did was put a big blanket on my shoulders and a black doek on my head and I spent three months cleaning my mother inlaw's house..." ROTFLOL
btw Charley4sure these are not normal marriages zooma is stocking up consumables in thsi case in the form of humans (woman), some guys collect sports/vintage cars, zooma collects women. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
in the case of the anc, they KNOWINGLY chose zooma who at the time had 783 charges of corruption hanging over his head, what does this make them? collaborators to corruption, does that not make them an organisation that is inherently corrupt, an organisation which does not quell corruption/une thical behaviour amongst its high ranking officials?
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Anyone can be charged of a crime....the courts are there to prove if the crimes actually took place. Zuma has not been found guilty of any crime.
@Somaartakeit
Maybe i expected a bit too much....Oh well On the road to nowhere for our Kids i guess Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@SeshegoGuY
@Somaartakeit
Maybe i expected a bit too much....Oh well On the road to nowhere for our Kids i guess
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No my friend we have the power (vote) to change this horrific situation to enable our children a better tomorrow, we must campaign against re-election of this joke.
@Jaja the courts have not determined his guilt/non guilt, so madam don't get over yourself with pronouncements what he is not guilty, Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Tasto
@JajazQueen - while at it, can you update us on the re-opened armdeals saga and where about of the secret tapes plse!! Problem is that many things are pahhening at same time to delibaratley create confusion.Ppl are pre-occupied by e-tolls and Julius while the small matter of arm deals is still there !1
@Dandan - thanks but I did not b.uy my driver's licence.I was driving 120km/h in narrow stretch of the road with RAY/GO signs if you get me, no room for error !! It was just a digression by the way but the coluor of that tractor was yellow not BLUE !!
One of the ways to campaign against zooma's second term is to join FYL, I know that Malema is not the best of guys now we need leadign this project, but apparently this platform was created so he continue to campaign against second term zooma presidency, at least Malema realises the mistake created at plkn he now wants to correct it, so I sup port that, Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
somaartakeit
@Somaartakeit
Maybe i expected a bit too much....Oh well On the road to nowhere for our Kids i guess
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No my friend we have the power (vote) to change this horrific situation to enable our children a better tomorrow, we must campaign against re-election of this joke.
@Jaja the courts have not determined his guilt/non guilt, so madam don't get over yourself with pronouncements what he is not guilty,
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Let's wait for the courts....I am not in the legal system.
I love my country despite what's happening out there.. The people of this country are the best in the world!!.. We're not a 3rd world country, screw that!!.. We're a 2nd world on our own!!!
@Somaartakeit
Personally im not loyal to any party---- I could Vote against any party without a hint of Guilt, For me the ballot paper is basically asking me who i think is best to run/manage the Country effectively, I base my vote on that as a taxpayer Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@JajazQueen
somaartakeit
@Somaartakeit
"Let's wait for the courts....I am not in the legal system" If you know you are not in the legal system, why do you then pronounce on his not guilty when there is a clear case for him to answer iro armsdeal?
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are correct, this person is very stupid!!!!!! It is written there that Butterworth is in Eastern Cape. I think this ISH11121 has regionalism. They did not say anything about KZN in the article. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
Tasto
@JajazQueen - while at it, can you update us on the re-opened armdeals saga and where about of the secret tapes plse!! Problem is that many things are pahhening at same time to delibaratley create confusion.Ppl are pre-occupied by e-tolls and Julius while the small matter of arm deals is still there !1
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I made my comments on the arms deal more than a week ago...I say all systems go! Revamp all that skidonk equipment and shut out all non deserving beneficiaries.
@SeshegoGuy, like you I am also not loyal to any politician inasmuchas they are also not loyal to me I am bound to them by service delivery contract they undertook when as suming official responsibilities as President/MP etc this is why for me I fail to understand guys like Jaja and Sinudeity arguing bias for politicians/political party, it is this fanaticism, which will get us all screwed to the ground by these politicians, Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
@SeshegoGuy, like you I am also not loyal to any politician inasmuchas they are also not loyal to me I am bound to them by service delivery contract they undertook when as suming official responsibilities as President/MP etc this is why for me I fail to understand guys like Jaja and Sinudeity arguing bias for politicians/political party, it is this fanaticism, which will get us all screwed to the ground by these politicians,
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"I made my comments on the arms deal more than a week ago...I say all systems go! Revamp all that skidonk equipment and shut out all non deserving beneficiaries" Not so fast young lady, there is a belief that there were some kick backs, I say investigate, find evidence and then convict and zooma has been preventing the process from happening, this is what irks many of us and believe that he is a corrupt, and if a head of organisation is suspected of being corrupt, that perception can not bring respectability to such organisation, hence I said anc is a corrupt organisation. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
@SeshegoGuy, like you I am also not loyal to any politician inasmuchas they are also not loyal to me I am bound to them by service delivery contract they undertook when as suming official responsibilities as President/MP etc this is why for me I fail to understand guys like Jaja and Sinudeity arguing bias for politicians/political party, it is this fanaticism, which will get us all screwed to the ground by these politicians,
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You are anti ANC....
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Jaja please lets re-cap on the ground rules set by non either yourself, you said we should a healthy debate, now I challenge you to review your last comment, does that qualify as a healthy debate? I gave you my views as to why we should never allow politicians to be reluctant, you accuse me of being anti anc? pliz qualify this accusation for the sake of healthy debate. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
SeshegoGuY
LoL..
@Somaartakeit & JaJaQueen
Cat-Fight....!!!! Im too babalaas for a Serious debate today, Can't wait to knock off & go have some Chesa Nyama in Alex Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
nomsa4
gud shot zuma, atleast u are getting votes this time around Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
nomsa4
gud shot zuma, atleast u are getting votes this time around
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you had abt the saying of counting chicken before they are hatched? zuma can be sure of votes only after general elections. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
aaah Jaja I knew that your 'healthy debate' comment was another bad attempt at grandstanding cause you have no ability to debate never-mind healthily, you defend and deny, these are 2 different things Ms Mthembu:-) Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Naked
it is indeed a good move which rather came a bit late. people wont be blinded with his act of bribing them into voting for him - never. thnx mr president bt i doubt votes will come in ur favour this time. S'khathele! Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
SeshegoGuY
@Somaartakeit
If u love Political debates of any kind-- Join these 2 FB groups: New Political Forum & New Political Forum 2.0 Khuluma Africa Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
k'onana
"Healthy debate" for an ANC cad.re means: "Defend ANC, no matter how pu.trid is its cor.e and how blatan.t its fraudste.rs membe.rs are. If not, then you're DA and you live in CT and you are 'wh.itey'...
@SeshegoGuy, whilst agree that we need to engage on national issues as a nation, but i think we shld also push for project work which helps empower our communities, such developing/sharing sk!lls for one so that our ppl can use these skills to become self sufficient, cause then they wldn' t need politicians to take them for a ride, Report Abuse
@somaartakeit
@SeshegoGuy, whilst agree that we need to engage on national issues as a nation, but i think we shld also push for project work which helps empower our communities, such developing/sharing sk!lls for one so that our ppl can use these skills to become self sufficient, cause then they wldn' t need politicians to take them for a ride,
SBiko and BC called this self indepence "Black man you on your own" instead of this ‘spineless dependence" on government.If its not fr.ee sanitarypads, fr.ee houses, fr.ee education, children grants, jobs for pals it is fr.ee that etc !! Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@Tasto the regimes which take over power from colonisers inherit the same disease embraced by their predessors of making the masses dependent, the colonisers did that so they are in full control of our resources, these foolish leaders are doing this cause they have no vision, or long term plan, cause an empowered nation, is a strong nation economically, if they can make Africa's economies strong they wld be hero's now they generate refugees and economic migrants, hence Moeletsi Mbeki said they are 'architectures of poverty'
For so long Africa has not be effectively utilising ALL of its human resources, first it was oppression of women to this day in some African countries girl children are denied opportunity to education,
Look guys at the West, whilst they are not perfect but they are using all of its human resources as a result majority are least likely to depend on social grants. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
oldlady2
Jajazqueen, it's because Zuma is actually a bo.er that he managed to evade the courts in order not to be found guilty. He did a twostep, a tiekiedraai and then a nice sidestep, and viola, no courtcase. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Tasto
@somaartakeit
A politician looks forward only to the next election. A statesman looks forward to
the next generation. - Thomas Jefferson Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
oldlady2
k'onana, and if you happen to be black, then you're a teagirl or gardenboy. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
Also Tasto, leaders like Biko and Kwame Krumah are a rare breed, when the apartheid regime k!lled that man, they really k!lled a leader who knew what the goal is/should be, not these vision-less looters. The anc leaders remind me of termites (insects) the minute you throw a piece of fat on the floor they swam it, we were given what appears to be 'fre3dom' the anc leaders swarming around it, not developing it, so this nation can one day be able to sustain itself without too much dependence on foreign donations and social grants, hence I said this regime is a insult to what we struggle for and what we could become as a nation. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@Tasto
A politician looks forward only to the next election. A statesman looks forward to
the next generation. - Thomas Jefferson
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I will always remember this in the future so that I am not furiously disappointed each time our so called leaders let us down, thanks for this, it now makes sense. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
RobinH
Click: "Have another w!fe" - I LOVE IT! Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Tasto
Ours is a very funny and painful experience.Politicians are more concern abt their legacy behind their names instead of that little poor black kingdergarten !! Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
oldlady2
Actually, these people should thank Zille for the tractors and cattle. It's only because she's been campaigning verociously in EC that they are now receiving gifts. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Tasto
@oldlady2 - was thinkng just abt two infamous comments black children called "Education refugees" or black people called "Health Immigrants"
HZille previleged one, by colour of her skin in apartheid !!
NMkonyanee previleged one, by Act of Section.10(township dweller abocleva) in apartheid !!
Such an indefferent towards plight of black ppl by white & black Politicians !! Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@Oldldy2 he is also afraid that malema is keeping him on his toes, cause even tho anc expelled him it wld appear that his popularity amongst his peers has not waned, apparently the youth in the EC have started something called FYL (Friends of the YL) where malema will be invited to speak to young voters (of course) abt amongst other things their empowerment, that must have jolted zuma into action, abandoning his new bride from marital bliss bed and rushed off to the EC to deliver tractors, little does he know these chiefs have no influence whatsoever to the younger generation who hold majority power (vote) he also knows that it wld be a disaster if the anc were to lose the EC votes. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
oldlady2
Tasto, the other day, right here on this blog, before Zille's comments, JajazQueen talked about EC not being in South Africa. Maybe Zille read it and got confused, JJQ being an ANC expert and all. And Tasto, the indifference is not towards black people, it's towards poor people, who just happen to be black in SA. In every government, especially one with as many self enriching members as ours, the poor will always be the enemy.
Somaartakeit, what I was wondering is, what can they (ANC) do to Juju if he ignores them and starts speaking wherever he is asked to speak, about anything he wishes? Can he be jailed for it, or fined? Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Makhosini0408
It is sad and lonely to be Zuma or its the conspiracy theory rearing its ugly head again? Sham, polotics or politics in our lifetime. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Tasto
@oldlady2 - we do not have the caste system in SA unless I am not aware or its an unofficial policy of the government and the elite !!
Well oldlady2 its unthinkable what they can to him to advance their political cause those against him, zuma is known to have ppl around him dropping dead or disappearing without a trace, but ideas implanted by Malema on the youth's mind will be pursued, that's why I said in the past, politicians and by extension nation shld never be caught napping, unfortunately our leaders are vision-less, its also interesting the dynamics of politics today, cause one wld have thought that what malema raised is an typical PAC issue but alas...he jolted his own political party out of slumber. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@oldlady2
Tasto, the other day, right here on this blog, before Zille's comments, JajazQueen talked about EC not being in South Africa. Maybe Zille read it and got confused, JJQ being an ANC expert and all. And Tasto, the indifference is not towards black people, it's towards poor people, who just happen to be black in SA. In every government, especially one with as many self enriching members as ours, the poor will always be the enemy.
Somaartakeit, what I was wondering is, what can they (ANC) do to Juju if he ignores them and starts speaking wherever he is asked to speak, about anything he wishes? Can he be jailed for it, or fined?
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I was refering back to the apartheid days. Most of e.cape was a homeland and not part of 'SA'.
@JajazQueen - I give up !! You seemed to have embraced the homeland system.No one in his political senses recognised the bantustan and tribalism imposed on black ppl by apartheid governemt.Holomisa was abntustan puppet\leader also !! Even Orania will remain part of SA!!
"I was refering back to the apartheid days. Most of e.cape was a homeland and not part of 'SA'" aha she bounced back from electricity black out, pliz qualify your comment to me "you are anti anc" for the sake of healthy debate. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
"I was refering back to the apartheid days. Most of e.cape was a homeland and not part of 'SA'" aha she bounced back from electricity black out, pliz qualify your comment to me "you are anti anc" for the sake of healthy debate
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Yho! I had to go and eat otherwise I would be as skinny as that chick from Isidingo if I stick around you guys. You have to remind me what we were talking about? How's the hang-over?
@Tasto
@JajazQueen - I give up !! You seemed to have embraced the homeland system.No one in his political senses recognised the bantustan and tribalism imposed on black ppl by apartheid governemt.Holomisa was abntustan puppet\leader also !! Even Orania will remain part of SA!!
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You were not part of that debate, so you would not know what oldlady was talking about...
JJQ: One can read without participating. So it is quite possible and indeed reasonable to assume that Tasto does in fact know what oldlady was saying. I have been watching this absurd circus all day and have chosen not to participate. That by no means means I don't know what people are saying. And I must confess that I have been enjoying the silliness immensely. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
Tasto
@JajazQueen - sorry I missed the debate.But the following statement I hope you were in a rush when you typed not thinking :
I was refering back to the apartheid days. Most of e.cape was a homeland and not part of 'SA'.
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Pity you missed that debate.... some dictator woman from cp.town had insulted our people calling them refugees. But I believe in letting bygones be bygones because by tomorrow she'll be gone.
Tjo he gave cows as well, so how many w!ves does he expect to receive iro the cows?
1 thing I give zuma he is a show-man, I remember the big show he made at the squatter camp also prior to elections and yet conditions of those ppl have not changed since his last visit there, now this? at least the chiefs and their subjects will eat some meat, hopefully some of the meat will be shared wich schools so they can feed starving school children. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
RobinH
JJQ: One can read without participating. So it is quite possible and indeed reasonable to assume that Tasto does in fact know what oldlady was saying. I have been watching this absurd circus all day and have chosen not to participate. That by no means means I don't know what people are saying. And I must confess that I have been enjoying the silliness immensely.
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and I thought the reason I had not insulted anyone was because of the yoga lessons.....
@JajazQueen - we seem to miss the point here, the homeland were imagination of the white racist government never had any legitimacy from self loving black ppl\politicains !!
@RobinH - ugly thing you raised your head again here, tjatjarag mother fcuker !! Too you also rest assured SA will never be broken up into peicelands even your retreat Orania.Who give you ritght to call this absurd !!
You should have taken the day off....because the well rested RobinH would have called me absurd atleast five times by now. And to p@ss off in snotty english. I want the old Robin back!
@Tasto
@JajazQueen - we seem to miss the point here, the homeland were imagination of the white racist government never had any legitimacy from self loving black ppl\politicains !!
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The homeland system was very effective and vigorously enforced with the help of influx control laws. So its either you were not present at the time or you think that the majority of b.l.a.c.k.s are self loving???
No No. Not that. I have just given up on reasoning with certain people. It has become predictable and thus boring. Have a good day tomorrow. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Tasto
@JajazQueen - you remind me of Malema's qoute of "factory fault", Tambo was saying this even in Radio Freedom that the Bantustan system must be crushed even GatshaButhelezi former of ANC was ostracised and targeted by liberation forces for colloborating with the enemy.
@RobinH
No No. Not that. I have just given up on reasoning with certain people. It has become predictable and thus boring. Have a good day tomorrow.
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You do not reason....you want to force your ideologies on someone....but at least we both agree we will .d.i.e. penniless.
Tasto
@JajazQueen - you remind me of Malema's qoute of "factory fault", Tambo was saying this even in Radio Freedom that the Bantustan system must be crushed even GatshaButhelezi former of ANC was ostracised and targeted by liberation forces for colloborating with the enemy.
Who are you eintlik ?
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Crushing the homelands was the goal of all freedom fighters, but they were set up and fully functioning and black people honoured their existence by acquiring passports. So what do yo mean they did not exist?
Whatever. I'll be returning to more reasoned places. Bye.
Tasto. I don't respond to instructions from children. Have a good day. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Leehong
and other areas of like Ncorha they used to produce a lot there, ndabakazi, are just going to do it for one place? Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Tasto
Oh my God where is Dzel or anyone to reason here ? I seem to be failing to make you unlearn what you were fed but it is very sad to find "Satuanch anc supporter and staunch bantustan supporter".I suspect your father is Gatsha Buthelezi or you actualy him using your pseudoname and avatar here to blog!! Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
it was interesting to be observer for a change esp in this Bantustan issue, I think Tasto Jaja is right that those regime there were on the ball and well organised but that is not to say they were not opposed, mind you like anc they lean heavily on opposition to the point it was crushed just like how the anc regime crushes its dissent, in frm Ciskei for instance the opposition (Imbokotho) then stood no chance against Lennox Sebe's soldiers but what I can credit Sebe's regime is that at least 80% Ciskeians had jobs, we also had thriving technical colleges but we had to 'forcefully' tow the line lol failing which not ONLY will you be crushed by amaCiskei, they wld also invite SADF guys to come and make sure you are being neutralised, lol Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
Tasto
Oh my God where is Dzel or anyone to reason here ? I seem to be failing to make you unlearn what you were fed but it is very sad to find "Satuanch anc supporter and staunch bantustan supporter".I suspect your father is Gatsha Buthelezi or you actualy him using your pseudoname and avatar here to blog!!
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Shame poor kid, you in way above your head... you have even lost your reasing abilities....askis. Shifting over to Facebook might come in handy....
As for Jaja's point about influx control, that is really a mute point cause whose interests did such control serve? Jaja you are a smart woman please start thinking. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
RobinH
Tasto: Would you recognise reasoning if you encountered it? Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
and to argue that black ppl embraced Bantustan and reason out by saying they even acquired passports, is supercilious comment at its best, I mean its like most against anc regime corruption but we still need to acquire necessary documents such id's and whatever else is required to facilitate one's life officially. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
As for Jaja's point about influx control, that is really a mute point cause whose interests did such control serve? Jaja you are a smart woman please start thinking.
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Hee hee heee! for 1 hour. Don't you know that homelands were created to control the influx of .b.l.a.c.k.s. into the republiek?
@somaartakeit - that is not unique remember even the Isrealites in deserts they longed for Pharoah.Let us not lose site what is happening to the promised land(transformation or total overahual).
No way , no comrade worth his\her salt recognises Sebe, Oupa Gqozo, Matanzima, Mpepu and Mangiope of this world.The money to create those pseaudo industries was from apartheid regime to sell to the international community their doctrine of seperate development in SA.THose factories were own by foreign nationals who could not enjoy white status in apartheid SA, who set up factories in Dimbaza ?
@somaartakeit
and to argue that black ppl embraced Bantustan and reason out by saying they even acquired passports, is supercilious comment at its best, I mean its like most against anc regime corruption but we still need to acquire necessary documents such id's and whatever else is required to facilitate one's life officially.
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For apartheid to be so successful, the majority of black people had to agree to the enforcement of its policies. I mean in 1988, 19million people were living in and supporting the homeland systems. No one was forcefully coming to Jozi to erect shacks in defiance?
For interest. I think whoever said "mute point" really meant "moot point" Amusing and all, but actually nonsense.
JJQ: On that one we are agreed. Ciao. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Poppitlove
It does not say anywhere that there will be support and training available to the recipients of the tractors. What happens when it breaks down, need an oil change, need new tires etc. Is Mr Zuma going to provide that too? Report Abuse
@JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
"Hee hee heee! for 1 hour. Don't you know that homelands were created to control the influx of .b.l.a.c.k.s. into the republiek? " Hence I asked why do you make it out(in your argument) as if this influx served any purpose of mutual benefit to the point you use this as your reasoning point in favour of homelands?
Most black ppl who were made homeland dwellers had no choice, this decision was imposed on us, so I disagree with your views, but the ONLY thing that I agree with, is that those b@@sboys there were organised, eg EC ppl didn't have to migrate for employment purposes they were self sufficient, unlike fmr transkeians who had to go to the mines (Temba) and as a direct result end up with being expose to all kinds of exploitations and inhumane conditions they had to work under and have not been compensated for this abuse, and this regime of the meek is failing to demand fair compensation so that these ppl can retire in reasonably decent life, cause the Anglo Americans are multi billionaires as direct sweat of enslaving mine workers, this is why Jaja I say the anc has failed the masses the sooner they admit this the better so we can move this project to stage 2. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@popitlove hayi mara nawe cld you honestly use same words as training/empowerment and anc on one line? pliz speak English woman, lol otherwise its a transparent move by zuma to b@y votes, this is a bribe, you see when you have leaders who think bribery is way of life, we end up with this BS, Thixo I can't wait for next general elections. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
I am not in support of homelands and never was, I am responding to little Tasto who thinks they were a figment of our imagination. I am telling him they were a reality. And the reason they succeded was because the majority allowed them to happen because they were too scared to fight.
@somaartakeit
cause the Anglo Americans are multi billionaires as direct sweat of enslaving mine workers, this is why Jaja I say the anc has failed the masses the sooner they admit this the better so we can move this project to stage 2.
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Anglo skrews our people and the ANC takes the blame for it? How do you figure that out?
@Jaja our ppl were not afraid to fight, but what happened is that a few namely chiefs sold them out, the chiefs were the ONLY ones who gained in this transaction, even now the anc uses the chiefs bribing tact to strengthen its power grip, something they have learnt good from their nat predecessors who have since fused into the anc!!
Of course some bought to this sham (Bantustan) cause they sincerely believed in these chiefs that they have their best interests to heart, that is why the anc even now is relying on bribing the chiefs as the meal ticket to remain in power. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
"Anglo skrews our people and the ANC takes the blame for it? How do you figure that out?" They were our custodian for our issues at the WTC negotiations weren't they? instead they sold us short, now we have to bleed in order for land reform to be kick started, cause these sell outs also looted Land Bank? Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Tasto
@somaartakeit - why are you teaching her on this history, where was she if she is so clue-up abt the anc ?
Its like you are inducting RobinH to black politics !!
@somaartakeit
@Jaja our ppl were not afraid to fight, but what happened is that a few namely chiefs sold them out, the chiefs were the ONLY ones who gained in this transaction, even now the anc uses the chiefs bribing tact to strengthen its power grip, something they have learnt good from their nat predecessors who have since fused into the anc!!
Of course some bought to this sham (Bantustan) cause they sincerely believed in these chiefs that they have their best interests to heart, that is why the anc even now is relying on bribing the chiefs as the meal ticket to remain in power.
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The chieftain system was set up by colonialists - all the .b.l.a.c.k.s. who protested too much to their looting, were either beheaded or offered these silly positions if they were corruptable. We are currently stuck with these fools who take their positions too seriously and have the support of our people. We have no choice but to work with them cause isolating them would cause chaos.
you may give them tractors and cattle in an exercise to win votes, i will bu y them sausage and braai for then and then tell them to vote against you, see you won't win i too can play the game remember Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@Tasto we must most definitely induct the RobinHs of SA so they can finally understand what our issues are and what gets the masses ticking, instead of being paranoid every time we raise issues affecting black folk and accuse some of us having chips on our shoulders, the anc gave the Robins false impression, that questioning the injustice in the way resources are distributed is an attempt at destabilising SA, it is not, this is an issue which needs to be discussed had we had leaders who are proper and committed so social justice. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
tlebebe
hope this is not another malobolo in disguise!!!!! Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
"Anglo skrews our people and the ANC takes the blame for it? How do you figure that out?" They were our custodian for our issues at the WTC negotiations weren't they? instead they sold us short, now we have to bleed in order for land reform to be kick started, cause these sell outs also looted Land Bank?
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Anglo accpets no responsibility for event which took place during apartheid. But the ANC made the best deal with Anglo - cause they are barred from investing the money made here outside South Africa.
Jaja I disagree we have a choice its clearly defined in the constitution, zuma has no business to undermine local gov which is the official gov structure and give whatever it is to his corruptible chieftan friends, more than he is re-enforcing apartheid stance on how to deal with the guys in that region, fortunately the youth are not influenced by the chiefs cause everyone they are prone to being corrupted and are all a bunch of self serving pirates just like zuma and his regime. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@lindsay
you may give them tractors and cattle in an exercise to win votes, i will bu y them sausage and braai for then and then tell them to vote against you, see you won't win i too can play the game remember
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LOL! the DA slaughted cows at the Jabulani stadium campaigning for votes....sneaky bastards!
"Anglo accpets no responsibility for event which took place during apartheid..." it is this arrogance which is empowerment by the corrupt anc regime that Anglo is not accepting responsibility and it is still allowed to operate here when at the time when they told anc b@@sboys that they are not taking responsibility the anc should have NATIONALISE directly. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
and of course Jaja the reason the anc has not nationalised is bcoz they want to use this as their last card to remain in power, like Mugabe used land reform card to remain in power when his regime should have long been removed for failing the ppl of Zimbabwe and Mugabe taken to the Haige for murdering abt 20,000+ Matebeles. I anc is nothing but a bunch of Nongqawuses and we shall corner them, don't worry abt that Jaja. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
Jaja I disagree we have a choice its clearly defined in the constitution, zuma has no business to undermine local gov which is the official gov structure and give whatever it is to his corruptible chieftan friends, more than he is re-enforcing apartheid stance on how to deal with the guys in that region, fortunately the youth are not influenced by the chiefs cause everyone they are prone to being corrupted and are all a bunch of self serving pirates just like zuma and his regime
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I think you have no idea what a stronghold these chiefs have....they have even formed a congress to force the government into honouring their 'place' as leaders.
"LOL! the DA slaughted cows at the Jabulani stadium campaigning for votes....sneaky bastards!" IF the DA bought said cows with its own money I have no problems with that, but I have a big problem when a politicians raids public purse to go sh0pp ing for votes, Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
k'onana
......The homelands were created and limited by the apartheid system to a fraction of the territory......After the "ANC liberation" in 1994, now they occupy the 90% of the territory.........Same system, different actors....... Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
"Anglo accpets no responsibility for event which took place during apartheid..." it is this arrogance which is empowerment by the corrupt anc regime that Anglo is not accepting responsibility and it is still allowed to operate here when at the time when they told anc b@@sboys that they are not taking responsibility the anc should have NATIONALISE directly.
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Wena somaar awukho-right....you talk about job creation all the time.....what do you think will happen if Anglo leaves SA? Hah?
If he did not deliver the cattle and tractors,who was going to do it? We would not have known even about something called tractors. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
"LOL! the DA slaughted cows at the Jabulani stadium campaigning for votes....sneaky bastards!" IF the DA bought said cows with its own money I have no problems with that, but I have a big problem when a politicians raids public purse to go sh0pp ing for votes,
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Political parties have no money of their own...the tax payer foots the bill....
@JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
"I think you have no idea what a stronghold these chiefs have....they have even formed a congress to force the government into honouring their 'place' as leaders"
jaja how much power or influence does eg Mandla Mandela have on the ppl in former Transkei where his territory is, cause in Ciskei most loathe him cause they think he is a woman abuser and opportunist riding on Mandela name for all its worth.
That brother of Holomisa who does he influence? the only strong hold the chiefs have is that they are colluding with the anc to robbing us (tax payers), some like Goodwill have more strong hold cause they will expose corruption which they know know some of the deals (corrupt) were made in their presence, the anc must really start to understand the concept of clean governance, cause this bribing this one and bribing the other one is getting us nowhere. That is why I say this chieftancy is a BS machination with no relevance whatsoever in today's life, if anything we should do a Marie Antoinette on them good for nothing b@stards. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
"Wena somaar awukho-right....you talk about job creation all the time.....what do you think will happen if Anglo leaves SA? Hah" IF they leave will they take the mine with them? don't be silly wena Jaja, Argentina has just nationalised oil company and there is nothing Spain who are the majority investors in that company can do about that, the ONLY problem we have in SA is that this regime has a lot of dead wood uneducatable who couldn't run a bathtub hence I said the other day anc regime will always need a white man's hand to help them, cause they are stupid, that is why zuma is handled by Gupta, on his own he has no brains no agenda to take this country fwd, the b@@sboy! Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
k'onana
.......HA HA HA HA HA...........So the ANC IS abusing the tax payer's money.....We knew that from the very beginning......and it has not changed a bit all these years..... except for the worse, naturally!!!........... Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
If the deployees as ZEE or whatever they are, deployed in Anglo and other institutions had the brains, there shouldn't be any reason whatsoever to not effectively run those companies should they become a state property, but alas Jaja the anc need a white/indian man's hand to guide them on their own they are useless that is why they sold our interests for a penny at WTC they are the Judases. Now I am warning cause I am angry when I think about this. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
Naked
tlebebe
hope this is not another malobolo in disguise!!!!!
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I would'nt be suprised at all - hope not..lol!!!! Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
somaartakeit
@JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
"Wena somaar awukho-right....you talk about job creation all the time.....what do you think will happen if Anglo leaves SA? Hah" IF they leave will they take the mine with them? don't be silly wena Jaja, Argentina has just nationalised oil company and there is nothing Spain who are the majority investors in that company can do about that, the ONLY problem we have in SA is that this regime has a lot of dead wood uneducatable who couldn't run a bathtub hence I said the other day anc regime will always need a white man's hand to help them, cause they are stupid, that is why zuma is handled by Gupta, on his own he has no brains no agenda to take this country fwd, the b@@sboy!
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"ANC does not nationalise!" of course they don't why wld they when they know they failed inthe past 18yrs to deveop sk!lls so our ppl can fully benefit from proceeds of Anglo other still colonised institutions? Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
Jaja what I can tell you is that, I look fwd to the mases to rise and chase the anc fat cats into the sea. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
as for this cows and tractors side show, I take it zuma delivered the bribe to the sellers (of the votes) personally, hopefully the yl in the EC will nail him and use this against him in their campaign to outst him, cause is abusing public resources to b@y votes, Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
If the deployees as ZEE or whatever they are, deployed in Anglo and other institutions had the brains, there shouldn't be any reason whatsoever to not effectively run those companies should they become a state property, but alas Jaja the anc need a white/indian man's hand to guide them on their own they are useless that is why they sold our interests for a penny at WTC they are the Judases. Now I am warning cause I am angry when I think about this.
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Under the circumstances I think the ANC has done damn well in curbing Anglo's looting. Now back to you...you need to take some more Kura powder...iyabuya lanto yakho.
I'm shaking with disbilief, you spiting so much sense with great understanding of politics yet mental slavery is destroying our ignorant people.
My take is that you're talking too much sense but to the wrong crowd, let them suffer, let them pay exobirtant tax to feed their greedy masters, let them fork out for each and every incompetance ANC is causing to SA. Let them suffer with high crime rates, dodgy hospitals, poor maintaned roads the list is endless.
Aluta Conitua Somaartakeit, ungapheli Amandla mfokababa I like your matured reasoning, they say knowledge is power and your're armed with the right MIND!!!!!!1
@somaartakeit
Jaja what I can tell you is that, I look fwd to the mases to rise and chase the anc fat cats into the sea
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Our people failed to do that donkey years ago....now the same fatcats are alleging that the only government that's ever had our interests at heart is corrupt. And they cant even bring proof to the table. Our stupid people believe them. Take you for instance, you are here fighting a personal battle with the ANC and people think you are in legitimate opposition. But you are on a solo vindictive mission to nowhere. Can you see how gullible apartheid has made our people. They fall for all sorts of promises - what has the DA done for anyone in SA? Nothing!
@JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
"Under the circumstances I think the ANC has done damn well in curbing Anglo's looting"
Under what circumstances Jaja?the anc had a power to use our national resources to rebuild prev underdeveloped areas to curb influx economic migration into WC and GP which are main economic hubs in SA, not settle for scraps the b@@s pushes to them, or do they think Anglo was going to willingly without resistance hand over the loot? The more I listen to your reasoning, the more I am praying that you are not in the decision making body of the anc, you know sometimes one misses leaders like Shaka Zu.lu cause that guy was everything but it can not be denied that he was 100% for the interests of his ppl (Nguni) tribe, ezik@k@ sishiyeke nazo ziyasithengisa qha.
"Now back to you...you need to take some more Kura powder...iyabuya lanto yakho" LoL I have to confess I don't know what is this Kura powder you're going on about, is this the same powder sold by Cwele's w!fe? Report Abuse
@Jaja you are desperately clutching at straws in your claim on me fighting vengeance or solo mission whatever, I mean why in the world wld I do that? more mine grievance is mo.ti.vated by the suffering our ppl still find themselves in, whilst hte anc blows milions on birthday cakes and God knows whatever else instead of delivering basic services to the ppl. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
TheTrueWord
Buying of tractors is not a comprehensive sustainable rural development plan. Naye uMsholozi uyazi. It's simply a tactic to ganner amavoti ase EC for himself - that is the truth. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@Trueword, the youth of SA wld do well to remember that once again our corrupt and bribery prone president has not failed to shock us, by abusing public purse for self interests, they should use this in their campaign agains his second term presidential term, we must vote leaders who have a vision and clear strategy on how to move ship SA fwd. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
"Now back to you...you need to take some more Kura powder...iyabuya lanto yakho" LoL I have to confess I don't know what is this Kura powder you're going on about, is this the same powder sold by Cwele's w!fe?
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Yho! s.a.n.a k.a.n.t.i how old are you. I-Kura, ngeyezifo zonke, k.a.n.t.i iyayinceda nebhabhi! Unless of course you have been partaking in the Cwele powder...then only God can help you!
and btw Jaja you say our ppl are gullible and naive as a result impact of apartheid on them, I ask you why has the anc failed to develop and empower them? Or they thought they will use their gullibility and naivette for cheap politicks rather than empower them so they can become self sufficient and independent from social grants cause this is what makes them votes slaves of the anc.
As for your question about what the DA has done, the DA has curtailed the anc corrupts from running amok with public purse in their corruption schemes, that my friend counts for a lot, I am not saying they are perfect God knows they have a long and uphill battle to capture minds and souls of majority, Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@Jaja lol no hayi shem andiyazi tu leKura uthethayo, lol kwenziwa kukuba I only use herbs in my food and in general, its called being pro-active in combating illnesses, hehehe Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
As for your question about what the DA has done, the DA has curtailed the anc corrupts from running amok with public purse in their corruption schemes, that my friend counts for a lot, I am not saying they are perfect God knows they have a long and uphill battle to capture minds and souls of majority
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The DA makes wild allegations about corruption...if you can send me proof of these allegations I would really appreciate it.
@ somaartakeit. Much as the ANC is our beloved (black folks who suffered under amabhunu) party, iningi labaholi bakaKhongolose don't like vocal outspoken people who speak for the poor black masses.
ANC likes people who are only yes-man/woman without constructive critique for the movement and/or white capitalists and only like you if you are just a ZEE corruptible individual. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
@Jaja lol no hayi shem andiyazi tu leKura uthethayo, lol kwenziwa kukuba I only use herbs in my food and in general, its called being pro-active in combating illnesses, hehehe
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"Yep I use a lot of herbs too... " *laughing* I have suspected that you were using a lot of ganja, lol its a herb also...lol
@Trueword, It think in order for anc to sustain itself and remain relevant they shld use critic from the public to mirror themselves, cause no sane African will go along with gross exploitation of our ppl. The anc leaders shld be happy cause we are expressing this views its like giving them guidelines, Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
"The DA makes wild allegations about corruption...if you can send me proof of these allegations I would really appreciate it" Honestly, I can't take you serious if you start reasoning like this, lol Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit
"Yep I use a lot of herbs too... " *laughing* I have suspected that you were using a lot of ganja, lol its a herb also...lol
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The best herb ever....good for the skin, chest colds, pain, kills germs....I am so happy to have found a sister who loves the good herb too.
@somaartakeit
"The DA makes wild allegations about corruption...if you can send me proof of these allegations I would really appreciate it" Honestly, I can't take you serious if you start reasoning like this, lol
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Allegations with no proof are just that....allegations!
@somaartakeit, Agree, the ANC (if it was a visionary progressive institution) should be happy if they obtain and take public criticism in order to mend their ways. Unfortunately they don't and instead citizens get scared of talking publicly on the ANC's waywardness for fear of victimization nokuthi uhulumeni ophethwe yi ANC uzokuphuca lokho akunikeze kona noma akuncintshe. As a result people get ostracized from the party.
Kubuhlungu kuthina abaningi ukubona i organisation oyithandayo i disintergrata at such fast pace, without abathu abakhuzayo ukuthi STOP! sekumoshakele futhi nje ooDA bayajabula. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
@jaja *shaking head* you are simply unbelievable lol that you deny the obvious, you remind me when Mdladlane once said crime is a figment of SAns imagination, it is this arrogance by you anc guys which has driven many into the arms of the DA, niyakruqula yhazi! Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
somaartakeit
take care Jaja, tomorrow then we take this fight fwd:-)
@TrueWord unfortunately that has always been the anc, leaning heavy on dissent, when necessary using indimidation or bullyism tacts, most thina abantu sikhulele kuyo, and konke lokhu okushoyo ukuthi uzovinjwa amathuba ube sewe ostracizwa most of us have been there and done that, the way I see it its their loss to their detriment ultimately, cause what decent organisation wld want to ostricise ppl for speaking the truth?
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Apr 30, 2012
WhiteMamba
A challenge to the Sowetan Newspaper.
Give us a run down in six months time how these "gifts" were utilised and put to best use and who benefited. Make that the 1st of December 2012.. Report Abuse
Apr 30, 2012
ndovebj1
@ISH11121
you re a joke , you dnt even understand the map of south africa and you are trying to tribalise the good ideology to help our poor communities ,this project was initiated long tym ago and it doesn't only help KZN but most of rural communities beefit and it was not initiaited with second term at mangaung but a good intention from a rural boy who understand the basics of rural communities ,it goes hand in hand with farming ,pls wake up Report Abuse
May 1, 2012
Bebesocs
Whats happening now is no different from what happened with creation of HOMELANDS, even the tone of giving these tractors is no different, I agree with the writer who said the people in these rural areas should have been trained first and get the people to maintain these tractors, but watch the space after 6 months. I am sure if there was consultation with people on the ground these mistakes would not have been repeated. I wish the people of EC can make this a success and overlook the politik behind it, people need to develop otherwise poverty is on our doorstep and it is serious. Why did the government decide to deliver these GIFTS now because they are not difficult to get? Why wait 18 YEARS ? Report Abuse
May 1, 2012
Poppitlove
Bebesocs, I hope they make a success of this too. It will have such a positive influence on other similar projects. Too many of these projects have failed in the past, due to lack of support and of course corruption. I have to agree that this is a political campaign by Mr Zuma, and I do not agree with his hidden agendas, but if political campaigning means that rural areas benefit from it, then every day should be a campaign by Mr Zuma. This sort of thing should have started a long time ago. It would also have been good if the more successful farmers were encouraged to support the newcomer s to the current day trade, instead of being threatened, judged and blamed. Things can be so different if greed and hatred is taken out of the equation, and the willingness to learn and grow is brought into the equation. Instead people want quick fixes and easy ways out. I believe that Mr Mandela’s rainbow nation can exist, however our current leaders have lost their way. Report Abuse
May 1, 2012
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
This thing is not right. When are we going to get our tractors and cattle? They cannot just go to the select few. Report Abuse
May 1, 2012
Mzabalazo
This reminds me of what the BDP Botswana's ruling party, come election times it releases UN drought relief food to the rural people and tractors will be clearing roads as if a road will be constructed, after elections everything goes back to what it was. We are Africans no different form any others, so it is no suprise that we are going down the drain of poverty whilst the children of the new found Mobutu Sese Seko of this country getting fatter and fatter when the rest of the poor will continously languish in poverty. Our resources are not infinite, as we speak we have mines that have been made toys for the Sese Seko's children, Zondwa and Khul'ubuse Report Abuse
May 2, 2012
Bhubesi
Not impressed at all by this stuntman who appears in public occasionally just to perform empty Public Relation campaigns. It will certainly take more than cows and tractors to fix the mess your government has got us into. While you are sitting on that tractor can you assure us of water and food security in the long-term. And can you tell us how many water reservoirs has your government build till to date and what steps have been taken, to safe guard the public against hazardous pollutants pouring out in non-operational gold reef old mine. Report Abuse
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Memme
okay !Report Abuse
RobinH
Of course it is. And about the most transparent thing he has done in his leadership.Report Abuse
Budapat
it's time you do it yourself JZ otherwise you running out of luck towards Mangaung coz your bras are screwing you, UMSHINI WAMReport Abuse
Phunyukabemphethe
Msholozi should be farmer not President cause if it was not for COSATU, DA, OUTA,BUSA, AFRIFORUM etc will be paying those goal spot he put it with his cabinets on the highwaysReport Abuse
mambaaai
how does the cost of tractors and some cattle compare to wasted money caused by inefficiency in the government, or compared to the cost of ANC celebrations. how does the cost of these tractors and some cattle compare to the money that will flow out the country through the stupidly e toll system, or the arms deal for example?Report Abuse
Uncompromising
What is that title of Slikour's controvesial song? Who is is making who a fool in this instance? Who i ask? Who?Report Abuse
Duke18n
This showerhead think this little stunt will save him from Mangaung waterloo? he gotta think again because the theme is called *Asijiki* and we won't be turning back for real. We can't afford to fund weddings instead of helping the poor people in poor communities. Its about time he finds things to do with his many wives and stop the lil campaign trail bcoz it wont get him no way.Report Abuse
ISH11121
why is zuma always helping people of KZN only? this becomes disgustingReport Abuse
JajazQueen
Mr Zuma is a good man with good intentions - its a lovely idea for government and businesses to work together as partners but he must be careful not to grey the lines too much.Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@ISH11121why is zuma always helping people of KZN only? this becomes disgusting
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Butterworth in KZN??? Painful to see such ignorance.
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MommaC
mmmmm.Blurry lines all over the show
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Ndese1
@ISH11121why is zuma always helping people of KZN only? this becomes disgusting.
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@ISH11121 Did you even bother to read to the article or you just like commenting. Zuma gave the cattle and tractors to the Eastern Cape province. Do it yourself Zuma since your comrades are disappointing you. The president continue to uplift rural areas. We thank you for uplifting Driefontein in Mpumalanga.
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tumzangwana
whether he is doing it for scoring political points or not is irrelevant at least people will benefit from this whole thing.Report Abuse
hulas
Pr exercise! nothing more to it.Report Abuse
Bolander
Obviously it is all about politics, kissing babies, delivering cows and tractors - does not matter however, glad for these people in the EC getting a bit of a boost - hopefully these "gifts" will be used wisely, improve the lives of these people, result in better education in their future, to hopefully vote in people in government with better abilities and selfless motives ..Report Abuse
Theotherguy
@ISH11121why is zuma always helping people of KZN only? this becomes disgusting
Good question, all the projects are in KZN, but this one you are off the mark Butterwoth is in E.Cape....at least you teach ignorant people like you that ignorance is not bliss...knowledge is power.......empower yourself with knowledge and stop embarassing yourself like this.
Zuma is a crafty politician....JajazQueen says he has good intentions really, never not Zuma, his intentions are very clear to get the second term so that he can support his ever growing family
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MorenaWaPolelo
What about me Mr Pres.ident I also want a freee tractor for my farm, how can I get to be a beneficiary?Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@TheotherguyZuma is a crafty politician....JajazQueen says he has good intentions really, never not Zuma, his intentions are very clear to get the second term so that he can support his ever growing family
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I am sure you are very familiar with politics???? A politician has to be very crafty to survive....and Zuma is learning fast and that's a good thing.
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skhokho21
So what guys? Just bcoz some of us want him out of the office does not mean he must stop performing his duties, having said all that, like Duke18n said above "asijiki" come Mangaung. Practice makes you perfect JZ, that is what you are gonna be doing in Nkandla after Mangaung.Report Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
I want to know that the bloggers that are busy verbaiging the Mangaung threats are delegates? Because I can tell that they are not even members of the glorious movement.Report Abuse
Tusedi
Come the f*** on, the guy was DELIVERING ON HIS promise on rural development, its his duty to deliver and has nothing to do with Mangaung, it is open secret that we shall give him another term.Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@MorenaWaPoleloI want to know that the bloggers that are busy verbaiging the Mangaung threats are delegates? Because I can tell that they are not even members of the glorious movement.
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Clap...Clap...Clap...Clap...Clap...not even voters!!!!
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Ndese1
"Asijiki", what a joke. HahahahahahahahahReport Abuse
Ndese1
I am expecting "Asijiki" in Sepedi. hahahahaha. s.Report Abuse
Ndese1
Some cant even speak their languages fluently because they adopted our language as theirs.Report Abuse
MommaC
Hope the poor sods can afford the fuel to make those tractors go.Report Abuse
hulas
Glorious movement sies!movement of the criminals now they are freeing each other.Report Abuse
Theotherguy
@ Morena wa Polelo want to know that the bloggers that are busy verbaiging the Mangaung threats are delegates? Because I can tell that they are not even members of the glorious movementTypical response from Mantashe wannabe....do you need to be a delegate to comment about Mangaung, this are matters of national concern ANC is the ruling party, so whatever the outcome at Mangaung is going to affect me whethet I am a delegate or not....your comment is unfortunate to say the least
Clap...Clap...Clap...Clap...Clap...not even voters!!!!
My word......Morena wa polelo you got yourself a praise singer
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NevusAuvius
Mr President must also give the people sata ya matekwaneReport Abuse
JajazQueen
@TheotherguyTypical response from Mantashe wannabe....do you need to be a delegate to comment about Mangaung, this are matters of national concern ANC is the ruling party, so whatever the outcome at Mangaung is going to affect me whethet I am a delegate or not....your comment is unfortunate to say the least
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Commenting is one thing...pretending to be part of the delegation is another.
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DIPOPONASII
He is prepared to be a Farmer( after Mangaung era) ummmm.i Heard Fatty Juju is attending some Farming classes in Ventersdorp.Report Abuse
Charley4sure
Guru please, I need to put few people their place.Report Abuse
Theotherguy
@JajazQueenCommenting is one thing...pretending to be part of the delegation is another.
You would not know the difference between the pretender and the real delegate would you? unless of course if you are a soothsayer
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JajazQueen
@TheotherguyCommenting is one thing...pretending to be part of the delegation is another.
You would not know the difference between the pretender and the real delegate would you? unless of course if you are a soothsayer
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I guess a non pretender would know internal politics ..........
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Sharks
Well Done Mr President "Ingwe idla ngamabala ayo" some may say it a political stunt, So what! It will benefits people. Unlike some people who calls themself champions for poor people while there are tender champions for themselfs and their buddies. It money well spent then that money used for Youth Congress sponsored by NYDA and that used to pay international RnB stars by Mbalula.Report Abuse
Bebesocs
In Transkei and Ciskei that is not new Matanzima and Sebe have already done that hence we have places like Magwa tea plantation, the irrigation schemes, so whats new. Mr President try something new and creative to uplift those rural areas which have been neglected.Report Abuse
Bebesocs
This annoys me more because they just leave those tractors who is going to maintain them? Check after 6 months.Report Abuse
MommaC
BebesocsMagwa tea plantation is a wreck. It has failed completely. You can thank the stupid unions for that
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Theotherguy
@ JajazQueen I guess a non pretender would know internal politics ..........Ok
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MorenaWaPolelo
@TheotherguyTypical response from Mantashe wannabe....do you need to be a delegate to comment about Mangaung, this are matters of national concern ANC is the ruling party, so whatever the outcome at Mangaung is going to affect me whethet I am a delegate or not....your comment is unfortunate to say the least
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Theo you need to learn to keep you emotions out of the debate I was simply asking an innocent question.By calling me Manatshe wanna be is unfortunate Sir what will affect you is the cynism that is associated with people like you when it comes to ANC politics and that also is unfortunate Sir
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KeRataBasadi
Futsek..... get rid of this imbecile ko mangaung-nyana ya lona ya masipa. This country has no government under his "leadership", its a Guptament.Report Abuse
Skomoro99
The only ppl 2 confuse r in rural areas,they always do thiz kind of things n liv them dry after elections.Wateva Zuma is doing is 4 his own gain nt the ppl.Report Abuse
Tango
President Zuma is doing a very good job and i would love to see him get a 2nd term.Viva Zuma viva.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
EC people, please don't lose focus on the goal, this guy is just trying to bribe his way to second term presidency, and if you fall for it, this will mean he will further saddle on our shoulders with more brides whose nests wld need to be cushioned by your tax. So please be smart and focus, if he gave you tractors, that's about the least the anc regime cld do considering all the tax they have siphoned to-date,EC operation ASIJIKI is full swing, FOCUS!!!
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JajazQueen
@TangoPresident Zuma is doing a very good job and i would love to see him get a 2nd term.Viva Zuma viva.
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I would vote for him too. VIVA ANC VIVA!
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Dandan
I fail to understand why these tractors are left with tribal chiefs, it is serious disturbing since these chiefs think these tractors belong to themReport Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
I will vote for the ANC regardles of Zuma's second term because ANC is the only political party that took power and accomodated all people regardless of race and religion.Viva ANC Viva!!
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somaartakeit
it is also an insult that the ruling party, ONLY EVER deliver most basic needs when its nearer to elections, and yet they NEVER fail to raid public purse with such determination and vengeance throughout the time they are in gov,The anc should have by now (since the take over in 1994) trained at least 10,000 farmers, and those farmers should have been supported with necessary resources they would need to hit the ground running,
This deliverance of resources in drips and drabs only during electioneering is an insult to the ppl of SA especially the previously marginalised whose issues are now being politicised,
EC I have never beg for anything in my life, but I am now begging you guys to do the right thing, take your dignity back from the anc gov looters, the reason your kids still study under trees and classes falling to pieces is because the anc regime stole the monies earmarked to improve your lives, simpleton zooma's doling out of tractors is tantamount to bribery to gain votes, EC please have self respect and vote on your conscience that you deserve better than being used as subjects of bribery.
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MorenaWaPolelo
@DandanI fail to understand why these tractors are left with tribal chiefs, it is serious disturbing since these chiefs think these tractors belong to them
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That is posible good observation!!!!!Sir
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somaartakeit
TO prove to you that the anc regime its president in particular is taking you for ride, look at how much these tractors cost (tax payers) and compare that with how much they've spent on parties to celebrate mediocre, whilst most of you in the EC rural areas have no access to the very basics.Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@MorenaWaPoleloI will vote for the ANC regardles of Zuma's second term because ANC is the only political party that took power and accomodated all people regardless of race and religion.
Viva ANC Viva!!
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Hoshpelepelewa26Zikuphi
Ho.sh! how can a former prisoner lead a country without corruption? He is not afriad of nongoloza 28 in jail as he is been there before! LOLReport Abuse
somaartakeit
@@DandanI fail to understand why these tractors are left with tribal chiefs, it is serious disturbing since these chiefs think these tractors belong to them
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its a bribe cause the chief for so many many years have been the tools used to pawn African ppl's resources and human resources, today we are stuck with land reform which has stagnated, it was originally the chiefs who traded off our land with mirrors and bottles of whiskeys, now they are about to trade of futures of the EC children for tractor why mara black ppl always sell themselves short? can you actualy imagine how much tractors this community wld have received ONLY if they had cuorage to take power from these chiefs (anc stoogies) and ultimately from the anc gov looters?
Guys operation ASIJIKI is a vehicle to help us wrestle our country from the political thieves please lets get the ball rolling, don't be deflected by bribery with tractors, we have much more to gain if we dislodge these crooks from power.
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JajazQueen
@DandanI fail to understand why these tractors are left with tribal chiefs, it is serious disturbing since these chiefs think these tractors belong to them
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Chiefs are now being used as an extension of governance in the rural areas. They handle issues that municipalities would. Gives them some tangible responsibility as I feel they are a useles inheritance from coloniasm.
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somaartakeit
@Hoshpelepelewa26ZikuphiHo.sh! how can a former prisoner lead a country without corruption? He is not afriad of nongoloza 28 in jail as he is been there before! LOL
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Whilst I dislike zooma for everything his regime stands for, I don't think its right to use his prison profile (as a political prisoner from an unjustice regime at the time) against him, if he was showing us a tiny thread that he is working in our interests as a country, even those opposed to the anc, wld do so respectfully, its not the first time anc regime has been opposed, during the time when one cld say we had most popular president (for his leadership sk!lls) there was already opposition against anc regime, but it was done respectfully, zooma fails to respect our national values and is abusing our resources when embarking on personal interests and in some instances to persecute private citizens, it is for this reason amongst others that SOME SAns have hard time respecting this guy in our opposing his political stand point.
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MorenaWaPolelo
@somaartakeitI urge you to vote for the ANC Sir!!!! Since you know all the stregeties and polictiking as a matter of principle Sir if the EC community feel that they are being deceiv;ed they must accept the tractors and vote for somebody else Sir. No one is going to smoke them out of their farm houses and kiII them ala Zim if they excersise democracy you hatred for Zuma and ANC is killi.ng objectivity Sir. Zuma was doing this out of his personal capacity as he is permited to do so!!!!
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Malambakupikwa
heheheheheh it will be tough in Mangaung...Report Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
@Malambakupikwaheheheheheh it will be tough in Mangaung...
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What do you me.an dear?
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somaartakeit
@MorenaWaPolelo I don't have to vote for anc or any party in order to have a say (express my political view-point), the anc (unfortunately) as a gov,its activities affects me (tax) so they are not going to get away with screwing around with my tax,on the other hand wena if you wanna give politicians signed black cheque be my guest and its your democratic right to a slave to your masters (politicians)
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somaartakeit
Operation ASIJIKI all the way has kicked started in the EC, ngalo mazwi ke maqobo namaqobokazani, ndithi Manguang here we come!!!Report Abuse
somaartakeit
It is also nice to see that the anc thieves on their toes upon realising they are about to lose EC, hehehe now that wld be epic loss considering liberation struggle EC contributed and that best leaders of the once proud movement come from there,Report Abuse
somaartakeit
IF zooma was not a tribesman above being a country's president all this wld not be happening, cause his national leadership sk!lls wld prevail, he wld unite us and rally us behind the gov's goal of a better life for all, instead he is rallying his tribe for ZEE, now my friends, that can't be funded by national tax.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Even the blind can see that anc has been hicked by Inkatha.Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit@MorenaWaPolelo I don't have to vote for anc or any party in order to have a say (express my political view-point), the anc (unfortunately) as a gov,its activities affects me (tax) so they are not going to get away with screwing around with my tax,
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Every government will skrew around with your taxes. That's a major source of revenue for most governments. Maybe you should move to the middle east. You will not have the right to vote and will have to walk five steps behind your husband but taxation is minimal.
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somaartakeit
EC must NEVER forget what Inkatha to our ppl, if for any reasons you were still young then, please ask blade fmr inkatha who has now joined anc for self accumulations, ask him and when you do, you will do the right thing and vote against the wolf (inkatha) dressed poorly in she3p (anc) clothing,OPERATION ASIJIKI!!!
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s.cold
good my presidentReport Abuse
cornelius
The president runs a private organization, that then partners government to provide these benefits, which allows the president to take the credit for his ( or his political party's) own benefit ? What a lovely scam ! The president gets his access to the money that is used to "partner" the goverrnment, by virtue of the fact that he is the president. He is in effect abusing his office to get some limelight and credit for himself, while we, the taxpayer, are paying his salary to run the government not to use his office for political mileage.The ANC has long ago shown that it has no respect at all for the distinction between state and party. Think centenary celebrations for just one example.
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@JajazQueen@somaartakeit
"Every government will skrew around with your taxes"
I don't know if you have ever travele outside SA or ever worked outside SA cause you will know that in developed countries, will not arrogantly tell tax payers that 'you will have to live with it' like manyi did iro e-tolls. You will also know that gov in well governed countries deliver the basics to EVERYONE in their countries incl visitors/immigrants/refugees. IF you don't believe me, ask your anc colleagues who are on foreign missions abroad (West), they will confirm to you that gov schools/hospitals/justice system/public transport and all that is basic service delivery not a luxury as is the case in SA, some of them they have to ask from foreign office extension to remain in developed countries, cause they fear having to re-adjust when going back home, all this we expect from the gov is achievable, had their priorities were not to loot public purse,
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JajazQueen
@corneliusThe president runs a private organization, that then partners government to provide these benefits, which allows the president to take the credit for his ( or his political party's) own benefit ? What a lovely scam ! The president gets his access to the money that is used to "partner" the goverrnment, by virtue of the fact that he is the president. He is in effect abusing his office to get some limelight and credit for himself, while we, the taxpayer, are paying his salary to run the government not to use his office for political mileage.
The ANC has long ago shown that it has no respect at all for the distinction between state and party. Think centenary celebrations for just one example.
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Actually you are commenting on a project you know nothing about, you never even knew this programme existed before reading this article. So please save me and everyone like me from your speculations of corruption. Do you think the president is that callous? Private and public partnerships have been a reality in this country for years.
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somaartakeit
And that Jaja is being paid for by tax and most of these countries don't pay as much tax as SAns do, so its only fair that we expect them to deliver some of the basic necessities.BTW Jaja I strongly urge you to try get yourself in the foreign office of SA so you can have opportunity to be deployed in one of these developed nations, then you will see that you don't need a car, you don't need private medical aid, and your kids schooling in gov schools is as good as....
Do you realise how much saving SAn tax payers could take home if they didn't have to duplicate all the services (private and public). Jaja a lot of anc ppl like yourself who have not traveled outside SA think we should be content with mediocre service delivery and they think we should be content with ONLY receiving services during electioneering period, this is BS and even this they can't even do properly so its sustainable long after 5yrs the anc presidential incumbent has vacated office,
you know they are like these parents who b@y amagwinya lema hotwana when they get salaries, insetad of b@y groceries which will see them thru the month, so their children are feed and nourished till end of the month when stocks can be replenished,
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Still_leShandis
- Siyababongela abase EC, sibonga wena Msholozi!- Now people of EC stand up and step up to the plate and work those tractors....
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MorenaWaPolelo
@somaartakeitI think you are obsessed Sir but thanks for the debate
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Tango
@somaartakeitANC 4 LIFE
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somaartakeit
@MorenaWaPolelo@somaartakeit
I think you are obsessed Sir but thanks for the debate
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obssessed with what? I am speaking out against injustice committed against SAns by this regime of corruption, and it is this corruption which has left many mainly black SAn destitute, and you have a problem with me saying no, loud and as often as I can against this injustice?
I do think that you have become too accustomed to being just a mere servant to your masters? Mna ke I am cut from different cloth, cause I will NEVER settle for less best.
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somaartakeit
@Tango not if its going to sell us short, no chance the EC is slipping through their fingers, it shows that the ppl are waking up to this power abuse, and that gives more energy to continue with the campaign against corrupt regime which shamelessly cause its ppl destitute, EC ASIJIKIReport Abuse
JajazQueen
@somaartakeitI don't know if you have ever travele outside SA or ever worked outside SA cause you will know that in developed countries, will not arrogantly tell tax payers that 'you will have to live with it' like manyi did iro e-tolls.
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Tolling exists in a larger scale overseas. But people there feel it less because majority use public transportation and the people who actually drive are a little well off and can afford to run cars. In this country tolling is felt by the upper working and middle class and unfortunately those are the same people apartheid was subsidizing. But this topic is about the empowerment of e.capers. I feel it is a wonderful programme as the e.cape is one of the poorest provinces we have.
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JajazQueen
Tango@somaartakeit
ANC 4 LIFE
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skhokho21
somaartakeitEC must NEVER forget what Inkatha to our ppl, if for any reasons you were still young then, please ask blade fmr inkatha who has now joined anc for self accumulations, ask him and when you do, you will do the right thing and vote against the wolf (inkatha) dressed poorly in she3p (anc) clothing,
OPERATION ASIJIKI!!!
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What ever you had this weekend was very strong for your small head next time stay away from it. You are c o n f u s e d. Mangaung is the ANC national congress not the country`s general election. Just bcoz we want Kgalema does not mean we won`t vote for the ANC in 2014 if JZ wins in Mangaung.
Some of us will be in Mangaung as delegates with b l a c k bags if need be, that is if you know what I mean.
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Move Luthuli house to EC.. *Problem sovled*Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@MorenaWaPolelo@somaartakeit
I think you are obsessed Sir but thanks for the debate
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She has a tendency to go off the rails....especially on Mondays.
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uMnuz
What a wonderful story, I think Mr President is in a class of his own, a true and genuine humanitarian.Report Abuse
cornelius
@ JajazQueenPrivate and public partnerships are a good thing, but for the President himself to be the " private" partner is highly unusual. A president is paid to be or govern the " public" partner, not use his office to get access to funds that allows him to pose as the " private" partner as well.
It is not a question of being callous, just a little devious.
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somaartakeit
@Jaja in any-case there is a rumour that the anc is considering or is on the verge to scrap the e-tolls cause of the strain its caused within its alliance partners, if that happens it wld be a victory for the ppl.As for the empo werment comment. Jaja empowe rment starts in schools (developmental stages) the anc failed in this respect dismally esp in the EC,
This tractors that are just being dumped there, how will they be maintained?have they gov mechanics or places to service these in the rural EC? how will this project be sustained?
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JajazQueen@Dandan
I fail to understand why these tractors are left with tribal chiefs, it is serious disturbing since these chiefs think these tractors belong to them
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Chiefs are now being used as an extension of governance in the rural areas. They handle issues that municipalities would. Gives them some tangible responsibility as I feel they are a useles inheritance from coloniasm.
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Chiefs, just like King Zwelithini are recognised by our constitution. Nothing happen in those rural areas without informing the Chief and people in these areas prefer it that way, its their way of life. I bet JZ entourage had to inform the Chief of that area for their visit in advance and that is the protocol.
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@Corne I was saying IF SAn tax payers didn't have to pay to double for both private and public services such as medical and school, security, transport then it wld not be so expensive to fund this regime. sorry I shld have made that point clear:-)on the president comment, zooma is both callous and devious that he saddles SAns with his personal expenses, he doesnt' need so m any w!feries that are being funded by public money, part of the money wasted on this project cld be diverted to urgent and necessary service delivery, instead majority citizens find themselves waitign for 18yrs for services to be delivered, this is not on (imo)
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JajazQueen
@cornelius@ JajazQueen
Private and public partnerships are a good thing, but for the President himself to be the " private" partner is highly unusual. A president is paid to be or govern the " public" partner, not use his office to get access to funds that allows him to pose as the " private" partner as well.
It is not a question of being callous, just a little devious.
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Like I said my political friend, you are commenting on a project you know very little about. I think it is very brave for them to partner with government as this can be very dicey. Capitalists, especially in a country like ours do not like government partnerships as they tend to be misinterpreted as undercover socialist activities.
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@JajazQueen@MorenaWaPolelo
@somaartakeit
I think you are obsessed Sir but thanks for the debate
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She has a tendency to go off the rails....especially on Mondays.
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becuz I have had enough time to reflect on how much ruthless screwing frm the gov the citizens have been subjected to, and my conscientious will not let me do nothing about that, I told you that social justice is my ambition.
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Mbongo
Some of your comments are not realistc. When Zuma delivers you complain that he is campaigning. When he is giving poor people, you complain that he and the ANC is not delivering. What actual do you want?Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit@Jaja in any-case there is a rumour that the anc is considering or is on the verge to scrap the e-tolls cause of the strain its caused within its alliance partners, if that happens it wld be a victory for the ppl.
As for the empo werment comment. Jaja empowe rment starts in schools (developmental stages) the anc failed in this respect dismally esp in the EC,
This tractors that are just being dumped there, how will they be maintained?have they gov mechanics or places to service these in the rural EC? how will this project be sustained?
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Here you are predicting the future again.....take some Kura powder and sleep it off....
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somaartakeit
@Mbongo what took zooma so long to deliver the tractors? sorry I forgot he was busy getting married for the past 3yrs when he is not busy hiring shoddy ppl in positions of power forcing opposition to have these appointments reviewed by the courts thus further wastign country's time iro deadline on deliverance of basics, we are not going to settle for less, the gov must deliver services timeously and consistently, and gov must engage with municipalities we are a not kingdom governed by kings we have a gov, creation of kingship is result in us tax payers funding existence of these ppl who add no value in our lives,Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@jaja I am not predicting, everyone using 1% of braincells can see that the e-tolling is causing much stress amongst the alliance [partners, zooma as he is gunning for second term can't afford this, sot he best possible thing to do, is instruct the anc to stall the process till after elections, cause the anc has become accustomed to the gold fishes memory span of SAns, as the saying goes, throw peanuts to the monkeys, little did I know that it wld be the anc doing this to the citizens cause many expected so much from it.Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@somaartakeitNot only are yo predicting the future, you are off topic.
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somaartakeit
@JajazQueen@somaartakeit
"Not only are yo predicting the future, you are off topic" SO? is that against the rules since I am not insulting anyone? afterall future of SAn politics is predicable, cause we have no brainers as leaders, you shld be glad that I am predicting it, and you should take this advice in your stride.
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What a wonderful story, I think Mr President is in a class of his own, a true and genuine humanitarian
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what is so unusual about giving out tractors ? yes, we do need to give credit where its due, but Please he's not the first person to do this, even some Premiers have done this before, or is JZ being praised, since he's hardly seen doing anything Productive ?
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@ skhokho21JajazQueen
@Dandan
I fail to understand why these tractors are left with tribal chiefs, it is serious disturbing since these chiefs think these tractors belong to them
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Chiefs are now being used as an extension of governance in the rural areas. They handle issues that municipalities would. Gives them some tangible responsibility as I feel they are a useles inheritance from coloniasm.
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Chiefs, just like King Zwelithini are recognised by our constitution. Nothing happen in those rural areas without informing the Chief and people in these areas prefer it that way, its their way of life. I bet JZ entourage had to inform the Chief of that area for their visit in advance and that is the protocol.
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Jah, people in these areas prefer it that way, thats why young men and women are flocking into the cities leaving their illiterate parents and grand parents behind because they do not want to sing the praises of sellout chiefs like their parents have been doing for ages, angithi, the world is changing baba, if we dont move with it we will get trampled over and over again.
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Tango
skhokho21Just bcoz we want Kgalema does not mean we won`t vote for the ANC in 2014 if JZ wins in Mangaung.
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Just bcoz we want JZ 2nd term does not mean we won`t vote for the ANC in 2014 if Kgalema wins in Mangaung.
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@somaartakeit"Not only are yo predicting the future, you are off topic" SO? is that against the rules since I am not insulting anyone? afterall future of SAn politics is predicable, cause we have no brainers as leaders, you shld be glad that I am predicting it, and you should take this advice in your stride.
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I think it is against the rules, we normally go off topic when someone comments a blatant lie... but I was thinking that since the normal bloggers are off to their expensive holiday destinations and poor buggers like us have to work, we could keep a healthy debate.
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Click
When you deliver fr.ee Hummers & SUV's.. You'll get my voteReport Abuse
RobinH
Healthy debate? Chanting "viva" is debate?Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@ClickWhen you deliver fr.ee Hummers & SUV's.. You'll get my vote
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ROTFLOL you read my mind dude, cause tractors are not interesting for the youth SA they want maserates like the ones driven by khulubuso zooma, so its a question of what' good for the goose sadly our Shawara here who is out of touch with the needs of the youth has missed the the service deliverance call.
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@Tangoskhokho21
"Just bcoz we want JZ 2nd term does not mean we won`t vote for the ANC in 2014 if Kgalema wins in Mangaung" I could settle for Mothlante not that I think he is the best the anc can offer, but I guess he is better than this dancing queen!
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CLick: I sometimes hum and I'm f r e e at the moment. I guess that makes me a f r e e hummer.Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@RobinHHealthy debate? Chanting "viva" is debate?
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Looks like someone else didnt have the money for an expensive holiday.
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KeRataBasadi
@ RobinHHealthy debate? Chanting "viva" is debate?
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VIVA! debate
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somaartakeit
uzooma is a afraid cause he thought that by expelling malema he has won the battle, it turns out the malema supporters in the EC have provided him (malema) with platform to continue expressing his views to the public at large, that platform is called FYL, I have to say the youth have pulled the mat frm under anc NEC's feet, and I love them for that, I don't necessarily agree with most of Malema's views but that's no reason to suppress his right to express them, and what is also coming anc regime way is that malema is going to head int'l youth desk, so we have not heard the last of him...lolWena jaja you are jealous cause you couldn't go on holiday, now you are taking out your frustration on me:-)
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Not sure but I think other groups or areas are off of his radar like Northern Cape and its people !!Report Abuse
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@ somaartakeitMaybe he (Zuma) should consider being chauffeured in a tractor on his next wedding day.. *Top-notch president indeed*
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@somaartakeitWena jaja you are jealous cause you couldn't go on holiday, now you are taking out your frustration on me:-)
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Some of us have to work...
Am not frustrated with you....it's your hangover I am concerned about...it's making you rattle offcourse???
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@Tasto zooma is nervous cause anc losing EC because of him mainly, will be a huge political blow to the anc, and you know what, Winnie who has a lot of influence at ground roots has clearly stated that there will be leadership change in Manguang, if I was zooma, I wld working an exit strategy, also a lot of ppl in the last gen elections in the EC wldn't have voted for the anc were it not for Mandla Mandela brandishing Madiba in an anc rally, for his personal gain, cause as a direct result of that, mandla now has 2 salaries as a chief and as MP, this is what I call urhwaphilizo!Report Abuse
RobinH
JJQ: Yip. Just your average worker bee.Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@TastoNot sure but I think other groups or areas are off of his radar like Northern Cape and its people !!
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Lots of programmes going on there as well. Also I think we must keep a clear head of which services are required where?
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@Jajaz I actually don't consume that much alcohol in order to have a hangover, I am social drinker so madam, pliz don't assume you know stuff abt me!WRT 'rattling' I prefer to call it agitating, that's what's done by small ppl like myself when addressing powers be who fail to understand needs of the ppl at grassroots, and I will continue to 'rattle' till they transform all the shacks into RDP houses, till then the 'rattling' continues....
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@Jajaz as you have assumed a role as anc spokesperson, what is your view on the scrapping of e-tolls? personally I think it wld be a huge victory for SAns but a huge set back for the looters who stood to wrongfully gain on this project. It wld have also meant that democracy has triumphed, you anc guys shld really pay attention cause the ppl are showing you guys that they are not taking BS no more from you guys, the MAT I understand have challenged successfully,Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@somaartakeitYep, I know all about social drinkers - every time someone says, 'I'll have a drink', they have one too.
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Tasto
@JajazQueenPS - Did you mean Lots of problems instead Lots of programmes ?
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JajazQueen
@somaartakeitSince this topic is really about Mr Zuma's government partnering with government, what's your take on that??
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@Jajaz hehehe funny you are willing to discuss my drinking tho its out of topic of course, and then you refuse to discuss e-toll possible scrapping/and development (schooling) in the EC? Jaja I think you feel better when topic/discussion is in your favour?Report Abuse
Tasto
@JajazQueenThe only thing you will hear abt these other areas is the constant struggle to enclose those exposed open toilets, cadres are still battling to win a tender !!
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@TastoPS - Did you mean Lots of problems instead Lots of programmes ?
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Must be programmes, I try to stay on the positive side....I very seldom focus on problems.
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@Jaja LOL here I thought I made my thoughts clear even to you that I think this is nothing more a vote b@ying ego trip, and I shall expect that EC'nians will not fall for this cheap trick!Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@Tasto@JajazQueen
The only thing you will hear abt these other areas is the constant struggle to enclose those exposed open toilets, cadres are still battling to win a tender !!
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My friend keep talking toilets....most of us are talking university of mpumalanga....
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Tasto
@somaartakeit - I think its childish and insulting to EC ppl.First they remove Manyi from EC education after a very looong time then EC Premier recvently set up a task team of some sort.They pace at which things are happening leaves more questions than answers !!Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Hey guys I scanned thru the article it doesn't say how many were these tractors, if anyone knows how much was spent, so we can compare that price against our tax which went towards renovating Nkandla kraal and maintainance to the haremites at tax payers expense, then we compare this delivery of tractors against that, so we can all see if fair and even distribution of resources to better lives of all has been applied in this instance. Or this is just throwing a bone to 10 d0gs to keep them amusedReport Abuse
Sandile84
Motlanthe for President!!! Malema and Zuma must go and stay in Nkandla and Seshego respectively permanently.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Tasto@somaartakeit - I think its childish and insulting to EC ppl.First they remove Manyi from EC education after a very looong time then EC Premier recvently set up a task team of some sort.They pace at which things are happening leaves more questions than answers !!
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So therefore qabane lets transmit this message through to the mass and prevent this president from insulting us ever again.
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Tasto
@JajazQueen - do not tell me abt onverrated FET college only diffence it be new building/campus at taxpayers money !!Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit@Jaja LOL here I thought I made my thoughts clear even to you that I think this is nothing more a vote b@ying ego trip, and I shall expect that EC'nians will not fall for this cheap trick!
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Personally, I think its a good trick since their province is in a good position to sustain itself with farming projects. So encouraging farming is a good way to kickstart w.e.a.l.t.h generation.
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mass shld be masses.Report Abuse
Mjamisto
Sicelo Shiceka is no more- News 24may his soul rest in peace
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@Jajaz sustainable farming can ONLY be realised if we have trained farmers and these farmers are supported not have tractors dumped at them, it needs more than just a tractor to farm and sustain such, pliz man jaja try to think outside Luthuli Hse box for this once....Report Abuse
Tasto
@MjamistoSicelo Shiceka is no more- News 24
may his soul rest in peace
How we wished most who were in cabinet with him could do so alike !!
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JajazQueen
@Tasto@JajazQueen - do not tell me abt onverrated FET college only diffence it be new building/campus at taxpayers money !!
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Tax monies are a source of funds for government??? You have a different option??
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@Tasto@Mjamisto
Sicelo Shiceka is no more- News 24
may his soul rest in peace
How we wished most who were in cabinet with him could do so alike !!
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LoL I feel you qabane, lol
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Tasto
Guys I was driving from EC yesterday long distance, pity did not have a camera or was busy driving when I saw something funny along the road.Between Cradock and Queenstown there are lots of maintance roadworks and I happen to see monkeys playing on one of the tractors on the roadside and one sitting on top of the steering wheel and the other on the driver's chair !!Report Abuse
KeRataBasadi
@ Tasto@Mjamisto
Sicelo Shiceka is no more- News 24
may his soul rest in peace
How we wished most who were in cabinet with him could do so alike !!
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I'd rather they be fired than dead, the likes of terror-blanch though, i cannot say the same. RIP Shiceks. PS: Zuma might be next, unless showers do perfom miracles.
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Click
Give the Western Cape a South African map (EC is outside SA according to a "madam")Give Limpopo Julius Malema (His Sandton house is on auction)
Give North West more police vans (To fight service delivery protests)
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Tasto
@JajazQueen - I do not want to debate with you because the last time you left some taste in my mouth when we raised issue of trainkets fare increases and petrol increase you asound indefferent like the government towards the plight of the poor !!Report Abuse
MissBhakajuju
Sicelo Shiceka's passing, Heart breaking news indeed. just because a Comrade has been found corrupt, doesn't mean he has to d.ie, especially so young. I wish our Politicians or Ministers, would resign from their jobs, while still perfoming well.Report Abuse
Tasto
@KeRataBasadiPS - Some1 on news.24 commented that "its a small dent to corruption"
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somaartakeit
@ClickGive the Western Cape a South African map (EC is outside SA according to a "madam")
---------------------------------------LoL the 'madam' cld really p@t herself on the firing line with her political gaffes,
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somaartakeit
@MsBhaka... I wld agree had he had decency to acknowledge wrong doing iro him abusing tax payers resources, acknowledgement and apology wld have gone a long and attempt to redress the dent caused to public purse wld enable many to feel sad for him, but guess what? many in the EC had to ask gov to intervene as they can't afford funeral services for their loved one, on the other hand Shiceka looted enough at expense of those suffering as a direct result of his selfish actions, I will always remember him as just another corrupt anc gov official who ruthlessly and arrogantly raided public purse. May the looting of our tax haunt his soul.Report Abuse
JajazQueen
Tasto@JajazQueen - I do not want to debate with you because the last time you left some taste in my mouth when we raised issue of trainkets fare increases and petrol increase you asound indefferent like the government towards the plight of the poor !!
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This is a f.r.e.e. thread...you can debate with anyone you prefer to debate with. I will continue to comment on any comment I see requires me to comment on. I really have no time for childish bloggers who think this is about them and those who agree with them. Grow up!
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TastoGuys I was driving from EC yesterday long distance, pity did not have a camera or was busy driving when I saw something funny along the road.Between Cradock and Queenstown there are lots of maintance roadworks and I happen to see monkeys playing on one of the tractors on the roadside and one sitting on top of the steering wheel and the other on the driver's chair !!
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thats the point you dont have camera phone because you are stupid always thinking of stupid things instead of making riches
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@Jajaz no one here is expecting of you to agree with them all the time, otherwise this wldn't be a debate, but the issue is your indifference to anc corrupt and the consequences of such to the ppl at large, if you can at least admit the wrong on the part of these gov officials then most of us wldn't need to be antagonistic in our approach.Report Abuse
Tasto
@JajazQueen - learn to be objective and self critical next time.Stop being too obsessed with anc.They lost the moral compass long time ago and they would never change as long we have ppl who chose to rest their thinking faculties !!Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit@Jajaz no one here is expecting of you to agree with them all the time, otherwise this wldn't be a debate, but the issue is your indifference to anc corrupt and the consequences of such to the ppl at large, if you can at least admit the wrong on the part of these gov officials then most of us wldn't need to be antagonistic in our approach.
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somaartakeit
@Tasto the other day she said there are no alternatives (according to her) to the anc, to a certain degree I can understand this, but to give anc corrupt fre.e reign at expense of tax payers money and defend that, is in itself an act of being immoral.Report Abuse
Charley4sure
Shower is not romentic, he didn't even go to the honey moon.Report Abuse
SeshegoGuY
Thank God im not the only one working today....Misery loves Company!EC Education department is in a crisis & most schools don't even have books & our President delivers tractors---Nice going Msholozi, Our kids' future clearly takes a back seat
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JajazQueen
@Tasto@JajazQueen - learn to be objective and self critical next time.Stop being too obsessed with anc.They lost the moral compass long time ago and they would never change as long we have ppl who chose to rest their thinking faculties !!
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If anyone is obsessed by the ANC it think it would be you. I do not spend time watching their every move, critisising their every work and actions. All I do is correct the false allegations against the ANC and cast my vote in the favour. You should try it - less stressful!
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@JajazQueen@somaartakeit
"The ANC is not a corrupt party, it just gets infiltrated by corrupt individuals" Jaja please correct me if I am wrong, to infiltrate an entity or an organisation, one has to do that without the knowledge of members or associates in that organisation right? infiltration is an act of deceit? in the case of the anc, they KNOWINGLY chose zooma who at the time had 783 charges of corruption hanging over his head, what does this make them? collaborators to corruption, does that not make them an organisation that is inherently corrupt, an organisation which does not quell corruption/une thical behaviour amongst its high ranking officials?
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@SeshegoGuy come on now, the president himself is an uneducated person, so why in the world wld he priorities education issues?Report Abuse
Tasto
@JajazQueen - your choice of words "false allegations" we could debate till sun rise again!!Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@Charley4sureShower is not romentic, he didn't even go to the honey moon.
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I never went on honeymoon when I got married too. All they did was put a big blanket on my shoulders and a black doek on my head and I spent three months cleaning my mother inlaw's house...sh@t!
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@JajazQueen@Charley4sure
"I never went on honeymoon when I got married too. All they did was put a big blanket on my shoulders and a black doek on my head and I spent three months cleaning my mother inlaw's house..." ROTFLOL
btw Charley4sure these are not normal marriages zooma is stocking up consumables in thsi case in the form of humans (woman), some guys collect sports/vintage cars, zooma collects women.
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@somaartakeitin the case of the anc, they KNOWINGLY chose zooma who at the time had 783 charges of corruption hanging over his head, what does this make them? collaborators to corruption, does that not make them an organisation that is inherently corrupt, an organisation which does not quell corruption/une thical behaviour amongst its high ranking officials?
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@SomaartakeitMaybe i expected a bit too much....Oh well On the road to nowhere for our Kids i guess
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@SeshegoGuY@Somaartakeit
Maybe i expected a bit too much....Oh well On the road to nowhere for our Kids i guess
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No my friend we have the power (vote) to change this horrific situation to enable our children a better tomorrow, we must campaign against re-election of this joke.
@Jaja the courts have not determined his guilt/non guilt, so madam don't get over yourself with pronouncements what he is not guilty,
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Tasto
@JajazQueen - while at it, can you update us on the re-opened armdeals saga and where about of the secret tapes plse!! Problem is that many things are pahhening at same time to delibaratley create confusion.Ppl are pre-occupied by e-tolls and Julius while the small matter of arm deals is still there !1Report Abuse
Tasto
@Dandan - thanks but I did not b.uy my driver's licence.I was driving 120km/h in narrow stretch of the road with RAY/GO signs if you get me, no room for error !! It was just a digression by the way but the coluor of that tractor was yellow not BLUE !!Report Abuse
somaartakeit
One of the ways to campaign against zooma's second term is to join FYL, I know that Malema is not the best of guys now we need leadign this project, but apparently this platform was created so he continue to campaign against second term zooma presidency, at least Malema realises the mistake created at plkn he now wants to correct it, so I sup port that,Report Abuse
JajazQueen
somaartakeit@Somaartakeit
Maybe i expected a bit too much....Oh well On the road to nowhere for our Kids i guess
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No my friend we have the power (vote) to change this horrific situation to enable our children a better tomorrow, we must campaign against re-election of this joke.
@Jaja the courts have not determined his guilt/non guilt, so madam don't get over yourself with pronouncements what he is not guilty,
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Let's wait for the courts....I am not in the legal system.
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I love my country despite what's happening out there.. The people of this country are the best in the world!!.. We're not a 3rd world country, screw that!!.. We're a 2nd world on our own!!!Report Abuse
SeshegoGuY
@SomaartakeitPersonally im not loyal to any party---- I could Vote against any party without a hint of Guilt, For me the ballot paper is basically asking me who i think is best to run/manage the Country effectively, I base my vote on that as a taxpayer
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@JajazQueensomaartakeit
@Somaartakeit
"Let's wait for the courts....I am not in the legal system" If you know you are not in the legal system, why do you then pronounce on his not guilty when there is a clear case for him to answer iro armsdeal?
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VictorNdungwane
@ JajazQueenHa Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are correct, this person is very stupid!!!!!! It is written there that Butterworth is in Eastern Cape. I think this ISH11121 has regionalism. They did not say anything about KZN in the article.
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Tasto@JajazQueen - while at it, can you update us on the re-opened armdeals saga and where about of the secret tapes plse!! Problem is that many things are pahhening at same time to delibaratley create confusion.Ppl are pre-occupied by e-tolls and Julius while the small matter of arm deals is still there !1
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I made my comments on the arms deal more than a week ago...I say all systems go! Revamp all that skidonk equipment and shut out all non deserving beneficiaries.
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somaartakeit
@SeshegoGuy, like you I am also not loyal to any politician inasmuchas they are also not loyal to me I am bound to them by service delivery contract they undertook when as suming official responsibilities as President/MP etc this is why for me I fail to understand guys like Jaja and Sinudeity arguing bias for politicians/political party, it is this fanaticism, which will get us all screwed to the ground by these politicians,Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit@SeshegoGuy, like you I am also not loyal to any politician inasmuchas they are also not loyal to me I am bound to them by service delivery contract they undertook when as suming official responsibilities as President/MP etc this is why for me I fail to understand guys like Jaja and Sinudeity arguing bias for politicians/political party, it is this fanaticism, which will get us all screwed to the ground by these politicians,
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@JajazQueenTasto
"I made my comments on the arms deal more than a week ago...I say all systems go! Revamp all that skidonk equipment and shut out all non deserving beneficiaries" Not so fast young lady, there is a belief that there were some kick backs, I say investigate, find evidence and then convict and zooma has been preventing the process from happening, this is what irks many of us and believe that he is a corrupt, and if a head of organisation is suspected of being corrupt, that perception can not bring respectability to such organisation, hence I said anc is a corrupt organisation.
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@JajazQueen@somaartakeit
@SeshegoGuy, like you I am also not loyal to any politician inasmuchas they are also not loyal to me I am bound to them by service delivery contract they undertook when as suming official responsibilities as President/MP etc this is why for me I fail to understand guys like Jaja and Sinudeity arguing bias for politicians/political party, it is this fanaticism, which will get us all screwed to the ground by these politicians,
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Jaja please lets re-cap on the ground rules set by non either yourself, you said we should a healthy debate, now I challenge you to review your last comment, does that qualify as a healthy debate? I gave you my views as to why we should never allow politicians to be reluctant, you accuse me of being anti anc? pliz qualify this accusation for the sake of healthy debate.
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SeshegoGuY
LoL..@Somaartakeit & JaJaQueen
Cat-Fight....!!!! Im too babalaas for a Serious debate today, Can't wait to knock off & go have some Chesa Nyama in Alex
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nomsa4
gud shot zuma, atleast u are getting votes this time aroundReport Abuse
somaartakeit
nomsa4gud shot zuma, atleast u are getting votes this time around
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you had abt the saying of counting chicken before they are hatched? zuma can be sure of votes only after general elections.
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somaartakeit
aaah Jaja I knew that your 'healthy debate' comment was another bad attempt at grandstanding cause you have no ability to debate never-mind healthily, you defend and deny, these are 2 different things Ms Mthembu:-)Report Abuse
Naked
it is indeed a good move which rather came a bit late. people wont be blinded with his act of bribing them into voting for him - never. thnx mr president bt i doubt votes will come in ur favour this time. S'khathele!Report Abuse
SeshegoGuY
@SomaartakeitIf u love Political debates of any kind-- Join these 2 FB groups: New Political Forum & New Political Forum 2.0 Khuluma Africa
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k'onana
"Healthy debate" for an ANC cad.re means: "Defend ANC, no matter how pu.trid is its cor.e and how blatan.t its fraudste.rs membe.rs are. If not, then you're DA and you live in CT and you are 'wh.itey'...Report Abuse
SeshegoGuY
@K'onanaLoL.....
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somaartakeit
@SeshegoGuy, whilst agree that we need to engage on national issues as a nation, but i think we shld also push for project work which helps empower our communities, such developing/sharing sk!lls for one so that our ppl can use these skills to become self sufficient, cause then they wldn' t need politicians to take them for a ride,Report Abuse
RobinH
k"onana: Beautifully put!Report Abuse
Click
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Tasto
@somaartakeit@SeshegoGuy, whilst agree that we need to engage on national issues as a nation, but i think we shld also push for project work which helps empower our communities, such developing/sharing sk!lls for one so that our ppl can use these skills to become self sufficient, cause then they wldn' t need politicians to take them for a ride,
SBiko and BC called this self indepence "Black man you on your own" instead of this ‘spineless dependence" on government.If its not fr.ee sanitarypads, fr.ee houses, fr.ee education, children grants, jobs for pals it is fr.ee that etc !!
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@Tasto the regimes which take over power from colonisers inherit the same disease embraced by their predessors of making the masses dependent, the colonisers did that so they are in full control of our resources, these foolish leaders are doing this cause they have no vision, or long term plan, cause an empowered nation, is a strong nation economically, if they can make Africa's economies strong they wld be hero's now they generate refugees and economic migrants, hence Moeletsi Mbeki said they are 'architectures of poverty'For so long Africa has not be effectively utilising ALL of its human resources, first it was oppression of women to this day in some African countries girl children are denied opportunity to education,
Look guys at the West, whilst they are not perfect but they are using all of its human resources as a result majority are least likely to depend on social grants.
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oldlady2
Jajazqueen, it's because Zuma is actually a bo.er that he managed to evade the courts in order not to be found guilty. He did a twostep, a tiekiedraai and then a nice sidestep, and viola, no courtcase.Report Abuse
Tasto
@somaartakeitA politician looks forward only to the next election. A statesman looks forward to
the next generation. - Thomas Jefferson
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k'onana, and if you happen to be black, then you're a teagirl or gardenboy.Report Abuse
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Also Tasto, leaders like Biko and Kwame Krumah are a rare breed, when the apartheid regime k!lled that man, they really k!lled a leader who knew what the goal is/should be, not these vision-less looters. The anc leaders remind me of termites (insects) the minute you throw a piece of fat on the floor they swam it, we were given what appears to be 'fre3dom' the anc leaders swarming around it, not developing it, so this nation can one day be able to sustain itself without too much dependence on foreign donations and social grants, hence I said this regime is a insult to what we struggle for and what we could become as a nation.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@TastoA politician looks forward only to the next election. A statesman looks forward to
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I will always remember this in the future so that I am not furiously disappointed each time our so called leaders let us down, thanks for this, it now makes sense.
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RobinH
Click: "Have another w!fe" - I LOVE IT!Report Abuse
Tasto
Ours is a very funny and painful experience.Politicians are more concern abt their legacy behind their names instead of that little poor black kingdergarten !!Report Abuse
oldlady2
Actually, these people should thank Zille for the tractors and cattle. It's only because she's been campaigning verociously in EC that they are now receiving gifts.Report Abuse
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@oldlady2 - was thinkng just abt two infamous comments black children called "Education refugees" or black people called "Health Immigrants"HZille previleged one, by colour of her skin in apartheid !!
NMkonyanee previleged one, by Act of Section.10(township dweller abocleva) in apartheid !!
Such an indefferent towards plight of black ppl by white & black Politicians !!
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@Oldldy2 he is also afraid that malema is keeping him on his toes, cause even tho anc expelled him it wld appear that his popularity amongst his peers has not waned, apparently the youth in the EC have started something called FYL (Friends of the YL) where malema will be invited to speak to young voters (of course) abt amongst other things their empowerment, that must have jolted zuma into action, abandoning his new bride from marital bliss bed and rushed off to the EC to deliver tractors, little does he know these chiefs have no influence whatsoever to the younger generation who hold majority power (vote) he also knows that it wld be a disaster if the anc were to lose the EC votes.Report Abuse
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Tasto, the other day, right here on this blog, before Zille's comments, JajazQueen talked about EC not being in South Africa. Maybe Zille read it and got confused, JJQ being an ANC expert and all. And Tasto, the indifference is not towards black people, it's towards poor people, who just happen to be black in SA. In every government, especially one with as many self enriching members as ours, the poor will always be the enemy.Somaartakeit, what I was wondering is, what can they (ANC) do to Juju if he ignores them and starts speaking wherever he is asked to speak, about anything he wishes? Can he be jailed for it, or fined?
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It is sad and lonely to be Zuma or its the conspiracy theory rearing its ugly head again? Sham, polotics or politics in our lifetime.Report Abuse
Tasto
@oldlady2 - we do not have the caste system in SA unless I am not aware or its an unofficial policy of the government and the elite !!Report Abuse
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Well oldlady2 its unthinkable what they can to him to advance their political cause those against him, zuma is known to have ppl around him dropping dead or disappearing without a trace, but ideas implanted by Malema on the youth's mind will be pursued, that's why I said in the past, politicians and by extension nation shld never be caught napping, unfortunately our leaders are vision-less, its also interesting the dynamics of politics today, cause one wld have thought that what malema raised is an typical PAC issue but alas...he jolted his own political party out of slumber.Report Abuse
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@oldlady2Tasto, the other day, right here on this blog, before Zille's comments, JajazQueen talked about EC not being in South Africa. Maybe Zille read it and got confused, JJQ being an ANC expert and all. And Tasto, the indifference is not towards black people, it's towards poor people, who just happen to be black in SA. In every government, especially one with as many self enriching members as ours, the poor will always be the enemy.
Somaartakeit, what I was wondering is, what can they (ANC) do to Juju if he ignores them and starts speaking wherever he is asked to speak, about anything he wishes? Can he be jailed for it, or fined?
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I was refering back to the apartheid days. Most of e.cape was a homeland and not part of 'SA'.
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@JajazQueen - I give up !! You seemed to have embraced the homeland system.No one in his political senses recognised the bantustan and tribalism imposed on black ppl by apartheid governemt.Holomisa was abntustan puppet\leader also !! Even Orania will remain part of SA!!Report Abuse
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JajazQueen@oldlady2
"I was refering back to the apartheid days. Most of e.cape was a homeland and not part of 'SA'" aha she bounced back from electricity black out, pliz qualify your comment to me "you are anti anc" for the sake of healthy debate.
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@somaartakeit"I was refering back to the apartheid days. Most of e.cape was a homeland and not part of 'SA'" aha she bounced back from electricity black out, pliz qualify your comment to me "you are anti anc" for the sake of healthy debate
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Yho! I had to go and eat otherwise I would be as skinny as that chick from Isidingo if I stick around you guys. You have to remind me what we were talking about? How's the hang-over?
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@Tasto@JajazQueen - I give up !! You seemed to have embraced the homeland system.No one in his political senses recognised the bantustan and tribalism imposed on black ppl by apartheid governemt.Holomisa was abntustan puppet\leader also !! Even Orania will remain part of SA!!
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You were not part of that debate, so you would not know what oldlady was talking about...
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@Jaja lol you are just unbelievable jong!Report Abuse
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@somaartakeit@Jaja lol you are just unbelievable jong!
I am hey??? Thanks.
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@JajazQueen - sorry I missed the debate.But the following statement I hope you were in a rush when you typed not thinking :I was refering back to the apartheid days. Most of e.cape was a homeland and not part of 'SA'.
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JJQ: One can read without participating. So it is quite possible and indeed reasonable to assume that Tasto does in fact know what oldlady was saying. I have been watching this absurd circus all day and have chosen not to participate. That by no means means I don't know what people are saying. And I must confess that I have been enjoying the silliness immensely.Report Abuse
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Tasto@JajazQueen - sorry I missed the debate.But the following statement I hope you were in a rush when you typed not thinking :
I was refering back to the apartheid days. Most of e.cape was a homeland and not part of 'SA'.
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Pity you missed that debate.... some dictator woman from cp.town had insulted our people calling them refugees. But I believe in letting bygones be bygones because by tomorrow she'll be gone.
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Tjo he gave cows as well, so how many w!ves does he expect to receive iro the cows?1 thing I give zuma he is a show-man, I remember the big show he made at the squatter camp also prior to elections and yet conditions of those ppl have not changed since his last visit there, now this? at least the chiefs and their subjects will eat some meat, hopefully some of the meat will be shared wich schools so they can feed starving school children.
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RobinHJJQ: One can read without participating. So it is quite possible and indeed reasonable to assume that Tasto does in fact know what oldlady was saying. I have been watching this absurd circus all day and have chosen not to participate. That by no means means I don't know what people are saying. And I must confess that I have been enjoying the silliness immensely.
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and I thought the reason I had not insulted anyone was because of the yoga lessons.....
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@JajazQueen - we seem to miss the point here, the homeland were imagination of the white racist government never had any legitimacy from self loving black ppl\politicains !!@RobinH - ugly thing you raised your head again here, tjatjarag mother fcuker !! Too you also rest assured SA will never be broken up into peicelands even your retreat Orania.Who give you ritght to call this absurd !!
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@RobinHJJQ: ???
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You should have taken the day off....because the well rested RobinH would have called me absurd atleast five times by now. And to p@ss off in snotty english. I want the old Robin back!
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@Tasto@JajazQueen - we seem to miss the point here, the homeland were imagination of the white racist government never had any legitimacy from self loving black ppl\politicains !!
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The homeland system was very effective and vigorously enforced with the help of influx control laws. So its either you were not present at the time or you think that the majority of b.l.a.c.k.s are self loving???
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RobinH
No No. Not that. I have just given up on reasoning with certain people. It has become predictable and thus boring. Have a good day tomorrow.Report Abuse
Tasto
@JajazQueen - you remind me of Malema's qoute of "factory fault", Tambo was saying this even in Radio Freedom that the Bantustan system must be crushed even GatshaButhelezi former of ANC was ostracised and targeted by liberation forces for colloborating with the enemy.Who are you eintlik ?
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Tasto: Well done. Very grown up. Jeez, you guys are really very predictable. Have fun mah little chillun. He He.Report Abuse
Tasto
@RobinH - get the fcuk out here, we are trying to corect miseducation of a black child !!Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@RobinHNo No. Not that. I have just given up on reasoning with certain people. It has become predictable and thus boring. Have a good day tomorrow.
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You do not reason....you want to force your ideologies on someone....but at least we both agree we will .d.i.e. penniless.
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Tasto@JajazQueen - you remind me of Malema's qoute of "factory fault", Tambo was saying this even in Radio Freedom that the Bantustan system must be crushed even GatshaButhelezi former of ANC was ostracised and targeted by liberation forces for colloborating with the enemy.
Who are you eintlik ?
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Crushing the homelands was the goal of all freedom fighters, but they were set up and fully functioning and black people honoured their existence by acquiring passports. So what do yo mean they did not exist?
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RobinH
Whatever. I'll be returning to more reasoned places. Bye.Tasto. I don't respond to instructions from children. Have a good day.
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and other areas of like Ncorha they used to produce a lot there, ndabakazi, are just going to do it for one place?Report Abuse
Tasto
Oh my God where is Dzel or anyone to reason here ? I seem to be failing to make you unlearn what you were fed but it is very sad to find "Satuanch anc supporter and staunch bantustan supporter".I suspect your father is Gatsha Buthelezi or you actualy him using your pseudoname and avatar here to blog!!Report Abuse
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it was interesting to be observer for a change esp in this Bantustan issue, I think Tasto Jaja is right that those regime there were on the ball and well organised but that is not to say they were not opposed, mind you like anc they lean heavily on opposition to the point it was crushed just like how the anc regime crushes its dissent, in frm Ciskei for instance the opposition (Imbokotho) then stood no chance against Lennox Sebe's soldiers but what I can credit Sebe's regime is that at least 80% Ciskeians had jobs, we also had thriving technical colleges but we had to 'forcefully' tow the line lol failing which not ONLY will you be crushed by amaCiskei, they wld also invite SADF guys to come and make sure you are being neutralised, lolReport Abuse
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TastoOh my God where is Dzel or anyone to reason here ? I seem to be failing to make you unlearn what you were fed but it is very sad to find "Satuanch anc supporter and staunch bantustan supporter".I suspect your father is Gatsha Buthelezi or you actualy him using your pseudoname and avatar here to blog!!
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Shame poor kid, you in way above your head... you have even lost your reasing abilities....askis. Shifting over to Facebook might come in handy....
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somaartakeit
As for Jaja's point about influx control, that is really a mute point cause whose interests did such control serve? Jaja you are a smart woman please start thinking.Report Abuse
RobinH
Tasto: Would you recognise reasoning if you encountered it?Report Abuse
somaartakeit
and to argue that black ppl embraced Bantustan and reason out by saying they even acquired passports, is supercilious comment at its best, I mean its like most against anc regime corruption but we still need to acquire necessary documents such id's and whatever else is required to facilitate one's life officially.Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@somaartakeitAs for Jaja's point about influx control, that is really a mute point cause whose interests did such control serve? Jaja you are a smart woman please start thinking.
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Hee hee heee! for 1 hour. Don't you know that homelands were created to control the influx of .b.l.a.c.k.s. into the republiek?
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Tasto
@somaartakeit - that is not unique remember even the Isrealites in deserts they longed for Pharoah.Let us not lose site what is happening to the promised land(transformation or total overahual).No way , no comrade worth his\her salt recognises Sebe, Oupa Gqozo, Matanzima, Mpepu and Mangiope of this world.The money to create those pseaudo industries was from apartheid regime to sell to the international community their doctrine of seperate development in SA.THose factories were own by foreign nationals who could not enjoy white status in apartheid SA, who set up factories in Dimbaza ?
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JajazQueen
@RobinHTasto: Would you recognise reasoning if you encountered it?
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No he wouldnt!!!
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@somaartakeitand to argue that black ppl embraced Bantustan and reason out by saying they even acquired passports, is supercilious comment at its best, I mean its like most against anc regime corruption but we still need to acquire necessary documents such id's and whatever else is required to facilitate one's life officially.
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For apartheid to be so successful, the majority of black people had to agree to the enforcement of its policies. I mean in 1988, 19million people were living in and supporting the homeland systems. No one was forcefully coming to Jozi to erect shacks in defiance?
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RobinH
For interest. I think whoever said "mute point" really meant "moot point" Amusing and all, but actually nonsense.JJQ: On that one we are agreed. Ciao.
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It does not say anywhere that there will be support and training available to the recipients of the tractors. What happens when it breaks down, need an oil change, need new tires etc. Is Mr Zuma going to provide that too?Report Abuse
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@RobinHEnjoy!!!!!!
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@JajazQueen@somaartakeit
"Hee hee heee! for 1 hour. Don't you know that homelands were created to control the influx of .b.l.a.c.k.s. into the republiek? " Hence I asked why do you make it out(in your argument) as if this influx served any purpose of mutual benefit to the point you use this as your reasoning point in favour of homelands?
Most black ppl who were made homeland dwellers had no choice, this decision was imposed on us, so I disagree with your views, but the ONLY thing that I agree with, is that those b@@sboys there were organised, eg EC ppl didn't have to migrate for employment purposes they were self sufficient, unlike fmr transkeians who had to go to the mines (Temba) and as a direct result end up with being expose to all kinds of exploitations and inhumane conditions they had to work under and have not been compensated for this abuse, and this regime of the meek is failing to demand fair compensation so that these ppl can retire in reasonably decent life, cause the Anglo Americans are multi billionaires as direct sweat of enslaving mine workers, this is why Jaja I say the anc has failed the masses the sooner they admit this the better so we can move this project to stage 2.
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@popitlove hayi mara nawe cld you honestly use same words as training/empowerment and anc on one line? pliz speak English woman, lol otherwise its a transparent move by zuma to b@y votes, this is a bribe, you see when you have leaders who think bribery is way of life, we end up with this BS, Thixo I can't wait for next general elections.Report Abuse
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@somaartakeitI am not in support of homelands and never was, I am responding to little Tasto who thinks they were a figment of our imagination. I am telling him they were a reality. And the reason they succeded was because the majority allowed them to happen because they were too scared to fight.
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@JajazQueen - you must be clever in your own eyes, nexttime you stand in the mirror be honest with yourself !!Report Abuse
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@somaartakeitcause the Anglo Americans are multi billionaires as direct sweat of enslaving mine workers, this is why Jaja I say the anc has failed the masses the sooner they admit this the better so we can move this project to stage 2.
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Anglo skrews our people and the ANC takes the blame for it? How do you figure that out?
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@Jaja our ppl were not afraid to fight, but what happened is that a few namely chiefs sold them out, the chiefs were the ONLY ones who gained in this transaction, even now the anc uses the chiefs bribing tact to strengthen its power grip, something they have learnt good from their nat predecessors who have since fused into the anc!!Of course some bought to this sham (Bantustan) cause they sincerely believed in these chiefs that they have their best interests to heart, that is why the anc even now is relying on bribing the chiefs as the meal ticket to remain in power.
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@JajazQueen@somaartakeit
"Anglo skrews our people and the ANC takes the blame for it? How do you figure that out?" They were our custodian for our issues at the WTC negotiations weren't they? instead they sold us short, now we have to bleed in order for land reform to be kick started, cause these sell outs also looted Land Bank?
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@somaartakeit - why are you teaching her on this history, where was she if she is so clue-up abt the anc ?Its like you are inducting RobinH to black politics !!
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@somaartakeit@Jaja our ppl were not afraid to fight, but what happened is that a few namely chiefs sold them out, the chiefs were the ONLY ones who gained in this transaction, even now the anc uses the chiefs bribing tact to strengthen its power grip, something they have learnt good from their nat predecessors who have since fused into the anc!!
Of course some bought to this sham (Bantustan) cause they sincerely believed in these chiefs that they have their best interests to heart, that is why the anc even now is relying on bribing the chiefs as the meal ticket to remain in power.
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The chieftain system was set up by colonialists - all the .b.l.a.c.k.s. who protested too much to their looting, were either beheaded or offered these silly positions if they were corruptable. We are currently stuck with these fools who take their positions too seriously and have the support of our people. We have no choice but to work with them cause isolating them would cause chaos.
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you may give them tractors and cattle in an exercise to win votes, i will bu y them sausage and braai for then and then tell them to vote against you, see you won't win i too can play the game rememberReport Abuse
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@Tasto we must most definitely induct the RobinHs of SA so they can finally understand what our issues are and what gets the masses ticking, instead of being paranoid every time we raise issues affecting black folk and accuse some of us having chips on our shoulders, the anc gave the Robins false impression, that questioning the injustice in the way resources are distributed is an attempt at destabilising SA, it is not, this is an issue which needs to be discussed had we had leaders who are proper and committed so social justice.Report Abuse
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hope this is not another malobolo in disguise!!!!!Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit"Anglo skrews our people and the ANC takes the blame for it? How do you figure that out?" They were our custodian for our issues at the WTC negotiations weren't they? instead they sold us short, now we have to bleed in order for land reform to be kick started, cause these sell outs also looted Land Bank?
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Anglo accpets no responsibility for event which took place during apartheid. But the ANC made the best deal with Anglo - cause they are barred from investing the money made here outside South Africa.
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Jaja I disagree we have a choice its clearly defined in the constitution, zuma has no business to undermine local gov which is the official gov structure and give whatever it is to his corruptible chieftan friends, more than he is re-enforcing apartheid stance on how to deal with the guys in that region, fortunately the youth are not influenced by the chiefs cause everyone they are prone to being corrupted and are all a bunch of self serving pirates just like zuma and his regime.Report Abuse
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@lindsayyou may give them tractors and cattle in an exercise to win votes, i will bu y them sausage and braai for then and then tell them to vote against you, see you won't win i too can play the game remember
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LOL! the DA slaughted cows at the Jabulani stadium campaigning for votes....sneaky bastards!
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@JajazQueen@somaartakeit
"Anglo accpets no responsibility for event which took place during apartheid..." it is this arrogance which is empowerment by the corrupt anc regime that Anglo is not accepting responsibility and it is still allowed to operate here when at the time when they told anc b@@sboys that they are not taking responsibility the anc should have NATIONALISE directly.
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and of course Jaja the reason the anc has not nationalised is bcoz they want to use this as their last card to remain in power, like Mugabe used land reform card to remain in power when his regime should have long been removed for failing the ppl of Zimbabwe and Mugabe taken to the Haige for murdering abt 20,000+ Matebeles. I anc is nothing but a bunch of Nongqawuses and we shall corner them, don't worry abt that Jaja.Report Abuse
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@somaartakeitJaja I disagree we have a choice its clearly defined in the constitution, zuma has no business to undermine local gov which is the official gov structure and give whatever it is to his corruptible chieftan friends, more than he is re-enforcing apartheid stance on how to deal with the guys in that region, fortunately the youth are not influenced by the chiefs cause everyone they are prone to being corrupted and are all a bunch of self serving pirates just like zuma and his regime
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I think you have no idea what a stronghold these chiefs have....they have even formed a congress to force the government into honouring their 'place' as leaders.
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JajazQueen@lindsay
"LOL! the DA slaughted cows at the Jabulani stadium campaigning for votes....sneaky bastards!" IF the DA bought said cows with its own money I have no problems with that, but I have a big problem when a politicians raids public purse to go sh0pp ing for votes,
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......The homelands were created and limited by the apartheid system to a fraction of the territory......After the "ANC liberation" in 1994, now they occupy the 90% of the territory.........Same system, different actors.......Report Abuse
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@somaartakeit"Anglo accpets no responsibility for event which took place during apartheid..." it is this arrogance which is empowerment by the corrupt anc regime that Anglo is not accepting responsibility and it is still allowed to operate here when at the time when they told anc b@@sboys that they are not taking responsibility the anc should have NATIONALISE directly.
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Wena somaar awukho-right....you talk about job creation all the time.....what do you think will happen if Anglo leaves SA? Hah?
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If he did not deliver the cattle and tractors,who was going to do it? We would not have known even about something called tractors.Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit"LOL! the DA slaughted cows at the Jabulani stadium campaigning for votes....sneaky bastards!" IF the DA bought said cows with its own money I have no problems with that, but I have a big problem when a politicians raids public purse to go sh0pp ing for votes,
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@JajazQueen@somaartakeit
"I think you have no idea what a stronghold these chiefs have....they have even formed a congress to force the government into honouring their 'place' as leaders"
jaja how much power or influence does eg Mandla Mandela have on the ppl in former Transkei where his territory is, cause in Ciskei most loathe him cause they think he is a woman abuser and opportunist riding on Mandela name for all its worth.
That brother of Holomisa who does he influence? the only strong hold the chiefs have is that they are colluding with the anc to robbing us (tax payers), some like Goodwill have more strong hold cause they will expose corruption which they know know some of the deals (corrupt) were made in their presence, the anc must really start to understand the concept of clean governance, cause this bribing this one and bribing the other one is getting us nowhere. That is why I say this chieftancy is a BS machination with no relevance whatsoever in today's life, if anything we should do a Marie Antoinette on them good for nothing b@stards.
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@JajazQueen@somaartakeit
"Wena somaar awukho-right....you talk about job creation all the time.....what do you think will happen if Anglo leaves SA? Hah" IF they leave will they take the mine with them? don't be silly wena Jaja, Argentina has just nationalised oil company and there is nothing Spain who are the majority investors in that company can do about that, the ONLY problem we have in SA is that this regime has a lot of dead wood uneducatable who couldn't run a bathtub hence I said the other day anc regime will always need a white man's hand to help them, cause they are stupid, that is why zuma is handled by Gupta, on his own he has no brains no agenda to take this country fwd, the b@@sboy!
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k'onana
.......HA HA HA HA HA...........So the ANC IS abusing the tax payer's money.....We knew that from the very beginning......and it has not changed a bit all these years..... except for the worse, naturally!!!...........Report Abuse
somaartakeit
If the deployees as ZEE or whatever they are, deployed in Anglo and other institutions had the brains, there shouldn't be any reason whatsoever to not effectively run those companies should they become a state property, but alas Jaja the anc need a white/indian man's hand to guide them on their own they are useless that is why they sold our interests for a penny at WTC they are the Judases. Now I am warning cause I am angry when I think about this.Report Abuse
Naked
tlebebehope this is not another malobolo in disguise!!!!!
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I would'nt be suprised at all - hope not..lol!!!!
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JajazQueen
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@somaartakeit
"Wena somaar awukho-right....you talk about job creation all the time.....what do you think will happen if Anglo leaves SA? Hah" IF they leave will they take the mine with them? don't be silly wena Jaja, Argentina has just nationalised oil company and there is nothing Spain who are the majority investors in that company can do about that, the ONLY problem we have in SA is that this regime has a lot of dead wood uneducatable who couldn't run a bathtub hence I said the other day anc regime will always need a white man's hand to help them, cause they are stupid, that is why zuma is handled by Gupta, on his own he has no brains no agenda to take this country fwd, the b@@sboy!
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ANC does not nationalise!
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somaartakeit
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"ANC does not nationalise!" of course they don't why wld they when they know they failed inthe past 18yrs to deveop sk!lls so our ppl can fully benefit from proceeds of Anglo other still colonised institutions?
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somaartakeit
Jaja what I can tell you is that, I look fwd to the mases to rise and chase the anc fat cats into the sea.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
as for this cows and tractors side show, I take it zuma delivered the bribe to the sellers (of the votes) personally, hopefully the yl in the EC will nail him and use this against him in their campaign to outst him, cause is abusing public resources to b@y votes,Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@somaartakeitIf the deployees as ZEE or whatever they are, deployed in Anglo and other institutions had the brains, there shouldn't be any reason whatsoever to not effectively run those companies should they become a state property, but alas Jaja the anc need a white/indian man's hand to guide them on their own they are useless that is why they sold our interests for a penny at WTC they are the Judases. Now I am warning cause I am angry when I think about this.
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Under the circumstances I think the ANC has done damn well in curbing Anglo's looting. Now back to you...you need to take some more Kura powder...iyabuya lanto yakho.
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325is
@somaartakeitI'm shaking with disbilief, you spiting so much sense with great understanding of politics yet mental slavery is destroying our ignorant people.
My take is that you're talking too much sense but to the wrong crowd, let them suffer, let them pay exobirtant tax to feed their greedy masters, let them fork out for each and every incompetance ANC is causing to SA. Let them suffer with high crime rates, dodgy hospitals, poor maintaned roads the list is endless.
Aluta Conitua Somaartakeit, ungapheli Amandla mfokababa I like your matured reasoning, they say knowledge is power and your're armed with the right MIND!!!!!!1
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JajazQueen
@somaartakeitJaja what I can tell you is that, I look fwd to the mases to rise and chase the anc fat cats into the sea
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Our people failed to do that donkey years ago....now the same fatcats are alleging that the only government that's ever had our interests at heart is corrupt. And they cant even bring proof to the table. Our stupid people believe them. Take you for instance, you are here fighting a personal battle with the ANC and people think you are in legitimate opposition. But you are on a solo vindictive mission to nowhere. Can you see how gullible apartheid has made our people. They fall for all sorts of promises - what has the DA done for anyone in SA? Nothing!
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@JajazQueen@somaartakeit
"Under the circumstances I think the ANC has done damn well in curbing Anglo's looting"
Under what circumstances Jaja?the anc had a power to use our national resources to rebuild prev underdeveloped areas to curb influx economic migration into WC and GP which are main economic hubs in SA, not settle for scraps the b@@s pushes to them, or do they think Anglo was going to willingly without resistance hand over the loot? The more I listen to your reasoning, the more I am praying that you are not in the decision making body of the anc, you know sometimes one misses leaders like Shaka Zu.lu cause that guy was everything but it can not be denied that he was 100% for the interests of his ppl (Nguni) tribe, ezik@k@ sishiyeke nazo ziyasithengisa qha.
"Now back to you...you need to take some more Kura powder...iyabuya lanto yakho" LoL I have to confess I don't know what is this Kura powder you're going on about, is this the same powder sold by Cwele's w!fe?
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@325is *winks*Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Jaja you are desperately clutching at straws in your claim on me fighting vengeance or solo mission whatever, I mean why in the world wld I do that? more mine grievance is mo.ti.vated by the suffering our ppl still find themselves in, whilst hte anc blows milions on birthday cakes and God knows whatever else instead of delivering basic services to the ppl.Report Abuse
TheTrueWord
Buying of tractors is not a comprehensive sustainable rural development plan. Naye uMsholozi uyazi. It's simply a tactic to ganner amavoti ase EC for himself - that is the truth.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Trueword, the youth of SA wld do well to remember that once again our corrupt and bribery prone president has not failed to shock us, by abusing public purse for self interests, they should use this in their campaign agains his second term presidential term, we must vote leaders who have a vision and clear strategy on how to move ship SA fwd.Report Abuse
JajazQueen
@somaartakeit"Now back to you...you need to take some more Kura powder...iyabuya lanto yakho" LoL I have to confess I don't know what is this Kura powder you're going on about, is this the same powder sold by Cwele's w!fe?
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Yho! s.a.n.a k.a.n.t.i how old are you. I-Kura, ngeyezifo zonke, k.a.n.t.i iyayinceda nebhabhi! Unless of course you have been partaking in the Cwele powder...then only God can help you!
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and btw Jaja you say our ppl are gullible and naive as a result impact of apartheid on them, I ask you why has the anc failed to develop and empower them? Or they thought they will use their gullibility and naivette for cheap politicks rather than empower them so they can become self sufficient and independent from social grants cause this is what makes them votes slaves of the anc.As for your question about what the DA has done, the DA has curtailed the anc corrupts from running amok with public purse in their corruption schemes, that my friend counts for a lot, I am not saying they are perfect God knows they have a long and uphill battle to capture minds and souls of majority,
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@Jaja lol no hayi shem andiyazi tu leKura uthethayo, lol kwenziwa kukuba I only use herbs in my food and in general, its called being pro-active in combating illnesses, heheheReport Abuse
JajazQueen
@somaartakeitAs for your question about what the DA has done, the DA has curtailed the anc corrupts from running amok with public purse in their corruption schemes, that my friend counts for a lot, I am not saying they are perfect God knows they have a long and uphill battle to capture minds and souls of majority
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The DA makes wild allegations about corruption...if you can send me proof of these allegations I would really appreciate it.
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TheTrueWord
@ somaartakeit. Much as the ANC is our beloved (black folks who suffered under amabhunu) party, iningi labaholi bakaKhongolose don't like vocal outspoken people who speak for the poor black masses.ANC likes people who are only yes-man/woman without constructive critique for the movement and/or white capitalists and only like you if you are just a ZEE corruptible individual.
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@somaartakeit@Jaja lol no hayi shem andiyazi tu leKura uthethayo, lol kwenziwa kukuba I only use herbs in my food and in general, its called being pro-active in combating illnesses, hehehe
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Yep I use a lot of herbs too...
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somaartakeit
@JajazQueen@somaartakeit
"Yep I use a lot of herbs too... " *laughing* I have suspected that you were using a lot of ganja, lol its a herb also...lol
@Trueword, It think in order for anc to sustain itself and remain relevant they shld use critic from the public to mirror themselves, cause no sane African will go along with gross exploitation of our ppl. The anc leaders shld be happy cause we are expressing this views its like giving them guidelines,
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@JajazQueen@somaartakeit
"The DA makes wild allegations about corruption...if you can send me proof of these allegations I would really appreciate it" Honestly, I can't take you serious if you start reasoning like this, lol
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@somaartakeit"Yep I use a lot of herbs too... " *laughing* I have suspected that you were using a lot of ganja, lol its a herb also...lol
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The best herb ever....good for the skin, chest colds, pain, kills germs....I am so happy to have found a sister who loves the good herb too.
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JajazQueen
@somaartakeit"The DA makes wild allegations about corruption...if you can send me proof of these allegations I would really appreciate it" Honestly, I can't take you serious if you start reasoning like this, lol
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Allegations with no proof are just that....allegations!
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JajazQueen
@somaartakeitSthandwa sam, I have to go...enjoy your holiday!
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TheTrueWord
@somaartakeit, Agree, the ANC (if it was a visionary progressive institution) should be happy if they obtain and take public criticism in order to mend their ways. Unfortunately they don't and instead citizens get scared of talking publicly on the ANC's waywardness for fear of victimization nokuthi uhulumeni ophethwe yi ANC uzokuphuca lokho akunikeze kona noma akuncintshe. As a result people get ostracized from the party.Kubuhlungu kuthina abaningi ukubona i organisation oyithandayo i disintergrata at such fast pace, without abathu abakhuzayo ukuthi STOP! sekumoshakele futhi nje ooDA bayajabula.
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@jaja *shaking head* you are simply unbelievable lol that you deny the obvious, you remind me when Mdladlane once said crime is a figment of SAns imagination, it is this arrogance by you anc guys which has driven many into the arms of the DA, niyakruqula yhazi!Report Abuse
somaartakeit
take care Jaja, tomorrow then we take this fight fwd:-)@TrueWord unfortunately that has always been the anc, leaning heavy on dissent, when necessary using indimidation or bullyism tacts, most thina abantu sikhulele kuyo, and konke lokhu okushoyo ukuthi uzovinjwa amathuba ube sewe ostracizwa most of us have been there and done that, the way I see it its their loss to their detriment ultimately, cause what decent organisation wld want to ostricise ppl for speaking the truth?
anyway nam sendizohamba manje i taxi seyiyandishiya, lol
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WhiteMamba
A challenge to the Sowetan Newspaper.Give us a run down in six months time how these "gifts" were utilised and put to best use and who benefited. Make that the 1st of December 2012..
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ndovebj1
@ISH11121you re a joke , you dnt even understand the map of south africa and you are trying to tribalise the good ideology to help our poor communities ,this project was initiated long tym ago and it doesn't only help KZN but most of rural communities beefit and it was not initiaited with second term at mangaung but a good intention from a rural boy who understand the basics of rural communities ,it goes hand in hand with farming ,pls wake up
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Bebesocs
Whats happening now is no different from what happened with creation of HOMELANDS, even the tone of giving these tractors is no different, I agree with the writer who said the people in these rural areas should have been trained first and get the people to maintain these tractors, but watch the space after 6 months. I am sure if there was consultation with people on the ground these mistakes would not have been repeated. I wish the people of EC can make this a success and overlook the politik behind it, people need to develop otherwise poverty is on our doorstep and it is serious. Why did the government decide to deliver these GIFTS now because they are not difficult to get? Why wait 18 YEARS ?Report Abuse
Poppitlove
Bebesocs, I hope they make a success of this too. It will have such a positive influence on other similar projects. Too many of these projects have failed in the past, due to lack of support and of course corruption. I have to agree that this is a political campaign by Mr Zuma, and I do not agree with his hidden agendas, but if political campaigning means that rural areas benefit from it, then every day should be a campaign by Mr Zuma. This sort of thing should have started a long time ago. It would also have been good if the more successful farmers were encouraged to support the newcomer s to the current day trade, instead of being threatened, judged and blamed. Things can be so different if greed and hatred is taken out of the equation, and the willingness to learn and grow is brought into the equation. Instead people want quick fixes and easy ways out. I believe that Mr Mandela’s rainbow nation can exist, however our current leaders have lost their way.Report Abuse
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
This thing is not right. When are we going to get our tractors and cattle? They cannot just go to the select few.Report Abuse
Mzabalazo
This reminds me of what the BDP Botswana's ruling party, come election times it releases UN drought relief food to the rural people and tractors will be clearing roads as if a road will be constructed, after elections everything goes back to what it was. We are Africans no different form any others, so it is no suprise that we are going down the drain of poverty whilst the children of the new found Mobutu Sese Seko of this country getting fatter and fatter when the rest of the poor will continously languish in poverty. Our resources are not infinite, as we speak we have mines that have been made toys for the Sese Seko's children, Zondwa and Khul'ubuseReport Abuse
Bhubesi
Not impressed at all by this stuntman who appears in public occasionally just to perform empty Public Relation campaigns. It will certainly take more than cows and tractors to fix the mess your government has got us into. While you are sitting on that tractor can you assure us of water and food security in the long-term. And can you tell us how many water reservoirs has your government build till to date and what steps have been taken, to safe guard the public against hazardous pollutants pouring out in non-operational gold reef old mine.Report Abuse
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