A BURGLARY at the house of a top Johannesburg advocate boasting clients such as embattled ANC youth league president Julius Malema and Human Settlements Minister Tokyo Sexwale has raised serious suspicions of political machinations.
Something is very very fishy here. This is like deja vu from other African countries where governments terrorised any people perceived to be against them, this is just the beginning if this is what they will do to get elected in Mangaung what do you think they will do if we tried to vote them out of government. South Africa be afraid be very afraid! Wake up and vote in the next elections vote for anything but the ANC, Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
BaleliM
So many people are r obbed and k illed and women r aped in the process and i do not see anyone worrying about that fact. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Socrates
Ask senior ANC members who send cops and thugs to do their dirty work within the Zuma clique Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
ntiki
Now they are using thugs to help them Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
MsBlackberry
so what ?Sowetan,is this the frist time u hera of robbery mxm Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
COUNSELLOR
So whatm i was also a victim of burglary! my neighbour also and my colleague. is there nothing else interesting that Sowetan can report on? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
kaparaphiri19
Is this dictatorship?????????? I hope not. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Ndese1
Malema lawyer want sympathy from the public. He actually the criminals, nothing strange her Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Mdala
Zuma is trying to show this young mapara called Malema that he (Zuma) is the boss Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
ApelMankotsana
So..Mr.Kanga is using dirty tricks to ensure his re-election in Mangaung...The ANC is moving towards an era where presidents will assume power through coups. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
MsMash1
Bathong Sowetan!! House break-ins happen almost daily in this country, which go unsung!!!! Is there a particular reason why Sikhakhane's ordeal is being reported???? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Wisdom2
You have already judged.H e has just said that his Friends asked him why he supported certain people and you are their condenming Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Nincompoop
Why did he not keep important files and documents under lock-and-key, in a safe? Report Abuse
Oh please! It's just common thuggery which we all suffer on a daily basis thanks to our insufficient visible policing (if only the buffoons that rule this country could do something!). He should actually be grateful he is alive, some are not so lucky. Report Abuse
Ordinary burglars don't take legal files. This has got to be specifically targeted. I'm just glad nobody was home at the time as things would have got very nasty.
I don't think this has anything to do with him being Malema's lawyer, crime happens to anyone in SA. @Ndese1, i agree with you. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
the more things the more they remain the same, only because the ppl have given politicians blank signed cheques to run amok. The diffs btwn apartheid and now is the skin colour of the oppressor. Lets recap, the former regime when they didn't agree with views of others, the lawyers representing those will be ransacked or even imprisoned in the case of Mxenges they were murdered, SA are you paying attention?
they tried to pass on the murder of Biko as suicide, we just learn yesterday about suspicions that the body guard who is alleged to have committed suicide his death points more to 'murder' than suicide, hopefully, is it just possible his affair with president's w!fe has anything to do with him committing staged suicide?
So far we watched in horror as the police ruthlessly gunned Tatane just like apartheid police ruthlessly gunned down Hector, SA you better be paying attention, cause at least now we still have a chance to change this horror movie gracing our screens. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Ndese1
Malema lawyer want sympathy from the public. He actually hired the criminals, nothing strange here Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
@Nwanawamukalaha - he paid him more, he rewarded his brother with top secret service job, what more do you want eintlik him to do in order for you to realise that he does keep his promise to those connected to him?
Just before you ask, Mdluli has also gotten his reward, apparently SAns are paying 5mil for jobs and perks affording his family working for security services, looks like zuma is not only fathering the nation, he is also building a private army for himself. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
the reason politicians in Africa will always get with violating rights of their citizens is because Africans generally have a short memory span and instead of using heads during elections they use hearts, generally African have mentalities of abuse victims, who refuse to break away from abusive relationships, that is why most African leaders are not afraid to blatantly abuse power cause they know they will not be held accountable. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
guiliano
I know it is malema's publicity stunt, maybe he wants sympathy from the anc. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@Ndese1
Malema lawyer want sympathy from the public. He actually hired the criminals, nothing strange here
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Yep nothing here, I bet you he called the newspapers before he even called the police.
So are they linking the robbery with JZ cause he is having beef with both Malema and Tokyo? what about his other clients that are not known Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
Tokyo is poised to benefit from 10bil tender, but the gov is more concerned abt 10mil allegedly owed by malema to the taxman, I wonder how is this regime's priorities set iro zuma alleged commitment to fight corruption within the gov? or this 10bil tender will only be pursued once Tokyo falls out of favour with the powers be? Report Abuse
@Tkay any information (confidential) disclosed to the lawyer by his/her client, will be a good weapon to use in the uphill battle leading to Manguang, this is an old gov tact of fighting opponents, it happened during apartheid too, personally I will not put this past zuma regime Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
@MC don't know if you read the M&G over the week-end apparently his company is linked to a 10bil tender, pliz go read under 'amabhungane' is the investigate report from the MG. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@MommaC
somaartakeit
Which tender did Tokyo get?
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@Jaja had it not been in black and white print I'd agree that I am on a tangent but it was printed boldly by our heroic reporters who are doing their best to keep us informed but then the likes of you remain uninformed and ignorant, it is such a pity that education was wasted on you, cause nje you are the type that is uneducatable. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Sinudeity
JajasQueen - Speaking of which, why havent you commented on the articles about "financial rot in Joburg" article, or the 1.5 million ECape kids who havent gotten their textbooks yet? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Sinudeity
somaartakeit - I think ignorant is a better word. Report Abuse
Dear Jaja God gave you brains so that you can use them for your benefit, when women like you support corrupt politicians, they contribute to pre-mature deaths of African children, due to African medical infrastructure being unequipped for the task, you are not doing yourself favours by supporting corruption more than you are condemning Africa to perpetual charity. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
MommaC
somaartakeit
I can't find it, doll. There is only a piece by him on how difficult it is to get information. Can you remember the title of it? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
@Sin or that she benefits directly from this corrupt, that is the only reason she wld be condoning it. But then she is from the EC, where children have to travel km's on empty stomachs cause the EC gov FAILED to improve or maintain what they took over from Lennox Sebe regime, cause you know the ppl of the EC were never economic migrants we boasted some of the best factories the country had, and best colleges which the anc destroyed to ashes since the infestation. Now the EC children have to be education/medical migrants in other provinces, you know we had some of the well managed hospitals/clinics? I lived that life, so I know, but then when anc became gov like most we thought there will even be better, Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
will go hunt and will post it here... can't remember the title:-) Report Abuse
aah dankie liebe Sinudeity you saved time:-) Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Sinudeity
somaartakeit - ECape is where the majority of our motor-industry is. The province, does indeed have manufacturing capacity. Just a pity the province is operated by incompetent/corrupt officials. Report Abuse
@Sowetan
Come on now.. this is r!diculous,what should we do about this..? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
and it has great tourism potential for sea sport and also fertile farming land, which the anc regime failed to prevail and grow the economic pie for the ppl of SA and for their upkeep as well, instead they are concentrating on the WC/GP economies and bleeding tax payers in those region dry with eToll-Thievery and other scams. THey let infrastructure collapse, how expensive this will be to rebuild these from the beginning, EC used to boast basic railway infrastructure, some of which has since been used to build shacks, the most basics of tasks the anc fails cause they failed to appoint qualified persons in strategic positions,
aaah you should see the waste they make in the foreign mission offices, it will blow you how SAns tax payers money is used to throw parties... Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Sinudeity
somaartakeit - Like this weekend it was reported, the sports ministry blew R50 million on a party. And their annual lotto budget is R70 million. So much for using the money to train our athletes or investing in school sport programs. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
MommaC
Thanks Sinudeity.
Very convoluted tie in though. It certainly sounds all very incestuous but I'm not sure if there is a direct line to Tokyo or if there is just a heck of a lot of ties between absolutely everyone in it. The authors did more to confuse me than to inform me so maybe I'm just not seeing it. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
@Sinudeity
somaartakeit - "Like this weekend it was reported, the sports ministry blew R50 million on a party" I bet jaja will reason out that this party was necessary for whatever the hell her new excuse is to support waste of SA's meagre resources, whilst millions of SAn have to dwell in the graveyard due to lack of basic resources to support these ppl. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Sinudeity
MommaC - Yeah, that is does. But it still draws quite abit of attention to the corrupt tender practises employed. How one company, influences another company to get the tender. And how the government is influenced in getting said tenders. Attention was drawn on Jacob's lawyer as well, and the nice job he is getting. Report Abuse
@Mrazane - "if this is what they will do to get elected in Mangaung what do you think they will do if we tried to vote them out of government."
That's my fear for this country. I don't think they will accept the results of the votes and will do as the other countries always do. What a frightening thought. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
Sinudeity
JajasQueen - Speaking of which, why havent you commented on the articles about "financial rot in Joburg" article, or the 1.5 million ECape kids who havent gotten their textbooks yet?
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@somaartakeit
Dear Jaja God gave you brains so that you can use them for your benefit, when women like you support corrupt politicians, they contribute to pre-mature deaths of African children, due to African medical infrastructure being unequipped for the task, you are not doing yourself favours by supporting corruption more than you are condemning Africa to perpetual charity.
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Which politicians do you know who are not corrupt?
@JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
Dear Jaja God gave you brains so that you can use them for your benefit, when women like you support corrupt politicians, they contribute to pre-mature deaths of African children, due to African medical infrastructure being unequipped for the task, you are not doing yourself favours by supporting corruption more than you are condemning Africa to perpetual charity.
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Which politicians do you know who are not corrupt?
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this question has what to do iro large scale mismanaged of resources we don't have or barely have? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Sinudeity
JajasQueen - You are the one spreading venom missie. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
@Sin this jaja character is a typically tin pot politician who think that corruption is a normal way of life, she is typically anc in arrogance when defending this corruption, cause most of them believe its their time to 'eat' is it any wonder wtih ppl like jaja in top gov position Africa is such a cesspool of poverty and all other corruption linked mayhem.
Anyway jaja the good news is the West has no money to bail/donate as they now have to rescue themselves, and the voting lines in the West are that, resources of the ppl there have to be used on the ppl in those countries, cause tax payers there say they don't see progress for most of what's been given out as donation/aid, and most political parties are competing with ideas on how their political parties will effectively use resources should they be elected to power, its an interesting trend to watch and I feel envious of these guys for their ability to hold their leaders accountable, I wish that could rub off on Africans who are voting, cause some how we always manage to vote ourselves leaders who are wasteful of our resources. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
You have not given me a list of politicians who are not corrupt. That's what I asked for?
@Sinudeity
JajasQueen - You are the one spreading venom missie.
------------------------------------she is typically anc obfuscating and trying to divert discussion abt corrupt gov officials, unfortunately for her everyone is now aware of her anc outdated obfuscation agenda, jaja you can fool some at some of the times but you can't fool everyone all the time, and soon the ppl of SA will vote the corruption out and usher in a responsible and accountable gov, that much I have not lost hope in our ppl Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
@JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
"You have not given me a list of politicians who are not corrupt" and you would have done what exactly abt such a list had it been given to you? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Sinudeity
somaartakeit - I think the next elections are going to be very interesting. Like I have been saying for a few months, I think Gauteng will switch over to the DA. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
JajasQueen - You are the one spreading venom missie.
------------------------------------she is typically anc obfuscating and trying to divert discussion abt corrupt gov officials, unfortunately for her everyone is now aware of her anc outdated obfuscation agenda, jaja you can fool some at some of the times but you can't fool everyone all the time, and soon the ppl of SA will vote the corruption out and usher in a responsible and accountable gov, that much I have not lost hope in our ppl
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You have not given a list of non corrupt politicians...does that mean we do not have politicians who are not corrupt in SA?
JajasQueen - "You have not given me a list of politicians who are not corrupt."
According to the article that you are avoiding, the Midvaal DA politicians. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
Anyway I am now gonna have to go win some breadie:-)
Oldlady you asked the other day if what happens if a tradition woman wld marry more than one husband in line of this polygammy culture? well as things stand, the boyfriend/toyboy will commit (staged) suicide as it has now transpired with the Mantuli's late lover... that my friend is guaranteed to send a clear msg to wld be competitor. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
MolomoMonate
but this guy looks on the pic looks like that one who went to heaven and draw the map. I THOUGHT THE STORY CONTINUES LOL Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
somaartakeit
@JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
"You have not given me a list of politicians who are not corrupt" and you would have done what exactly abt such a list had it been given to you?
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Actually the list will prove that SA has been plagued by corrupt politicians nothing to do with any political party per se...so will you forward a list of the not corrupt politicians. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
MolomoMonate
I mean he looks alike with the heaven man. Report Abuse
"You have not given me a list of politicians who are not corrupt" and you would have done what exactly abt such a list had it been given to you?
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"Actually the list will prove that SA has been plagued by corrupt politicians..." and that makes it alright then? or is that supposed to justify corruption Jaja? or you're trying to say we should live with it? what exactly are you insinuating by this comment of yours? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
""Actually the list will prove that SA has been plagued by corrupt politicians..." and that makes it alright then? or is that supposed to justify corruption Jaja? or you're trying to say we should live with it? what exactly are you insinuating by this comment of yours?
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What I am saying is that in all 400+ years since politics were introduced in SA, we have never had a non corrupt politician. Why is that? Don't you think we should be looking at that instead of siyekehe phezulu lento? Why has SA never had a politician who is above board?
""Actually the list will prove that SA has been plagued by corrupt politicians..." and that makes it alright then? or is that supposed to justify corruption Jaja? or you're trying to say we should live with it? what exactly are you insinuating by this comment of yours?
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Correction: What I am saying is that in all 400+ years since politics were introduced in SA, we have never had a non corrupt politician. Why is that? Don't you think we should be looking at that instead of SIYIKHE phezulu lento? Why has SA never had a politician who is above board? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
itsme4sure
OMG...here we go with list of names again.....JaJa and Sin.....dont you two ever get bored with the same rhetoric on every political article Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@itsme4sure
OMG...here we go with list of names again.....JaJa and Sin.....dont you two ever get bored with the same rhetoric on every political article
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Why do you think SA has never had politicians who are above board?
JajasQueen - "Why has SA never had a politician who is above board?"
You are not looking in the right place. We have plentyt of above board politicians. But they are not part of your party. That is the problem. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
itsme4sure
we can assume all we want until the truth comes out during the investigations...for now, this is a normal house burglary at a lawyers house.....2 cars (subsequently found) & 2 TV’s was stolen including documents....no one knows which documents was stolen at this moment...stop the assumptions people. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
Hey Jaja did the anc not say they will do better by than the nats and former colonisers? and in any-case you have no business referring to those ppl, considering that no non white voted for them as such they were not accountable to us they didn't even pretend they want to gov us fairly, so what's your point really? I have said to you before, if you must obfuscate on behalf of the gov, pliz be intelligent about it, and don't drag the dead carcasses onto the table that will cause a stink. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Sinudeity
itsme4sure - Evil prevails if good men do nothing. I cant allow Jaja to prevail :P Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
itsme4sure
@JajasQueen
Ask Sin for the list of reasons why there has never been politicians above board. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
@Itsme... since when the crooks who break into houses concerned themselves about some legal documents or any documents more than their main concern is property which they can sell and profit from it? the mere fact that documents were missing leads many to believe that its a staged robbery as part of the Manguang fight.... cause any information given to this lawyer cld be usable in the fight, and I wldn't put anything past zuma considering how he illegally obtained tapes which later resulted in him not standing trial for corruption relationship he has a convicted fraudster. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
Hey Jaja did the anc not say they will do better by than the nats and former colonisers? and in any-case you have no business referring to those ppl, considering that no non white voted for them as such they were not accountable to us they didn't even pretend they want to gov us fairly, so what's your point really? I have said to you before, if you must obfuscate on behalf of the gov, pliz be intelligent about it, and don't drag the dead carcasses onto the table that will cause a stink.
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And the ANC has done better than the Nats...ANC has delivered to more SAns than the Nats or anyone ever has in SA.... now going back to why we do not have politicians who are up to scratch in SA. Why is that?
ooh ja they did do better than the nats, at least the nats looked after the ppl who voted for it, hence the Sandtons and other developed areas, the majority voting anc live in shacks, go figure they've bettered the subjecting black SAns into poverty, they won hands down against the nats insulting the dignity of millions of black SAns. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@itsme4sure
@JajasQueen
Ask Sin for the list of reasons why there has never been politicians above board.
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Do you think he will have it? Cause he has never put anything tangible or of value since day one.
JajasQueen - "now going back to why we do not have politicians who are up to scratch in SA. Why is that?"
We do, they are just not in your party. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
ooh ja they did do better than the nats, at least the nats looked after the ppl who voted for it, hence the Sandtons and other developed areas, the majority voting anc live in shacks, go figure they've bettered the subjecting black SAns into poverty, they won hands down against the nats insulting the dignity of millions of black SAns.
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So you think this makes them bad politicians? Why? Cause all we've had through history were actually worse?
JajasQueen - Just think how much better we could do, if we didnt have the corrupt/incompetent ANC. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
itsme4sure
@somaartakeit
at present, no one can prove beyond reasonable doubt what the motive was for the robbery.....can we....so you can assume all you want, until the truth comes out or the law can prove what the motive was....until then. JZ (even though i dont like the man) and the rest of the Govt is innocent.
i wouldn't be surprised if the police are the ones who broke in , so the television, cellphone and cars were just a coverup so that it people should the motive was to still some furniture whilst they are interested on files Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
mambaaai
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Taxman serves R10m bill on Malema
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By: Carien du Plessis and Sipho Masondo
2012-04-22 10:00
Suspended ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema has been served with a tax bill of more than R10 million.
At the same time, Malema hit out at his detractors, saying they have “unleashed all state agencies against me because they want to silence me”.
Speaking outside his house in Flora Park, Polokwane, yesterday, Malema said if anybody wanted to arrest him “they know my address”.
The South African Revenue Service (Sars) has added to Malema’s woes by demanding more than R10 million in taxes from him – apparently related to the millions deposited into his Ratanang Family Trust.
Malema is likely to be kicked out of the governing ANC this week for ill-discipline.
Malema initially reacted with shock when City Press approached him for comment, saying via SMS: “What? That’s not possible.”
But later he again replied via SMS, saying his accountant said the amount owed to Sars was R120 million. He added: “We prefer to (deal) with Sars directly, not through City Press.”
It is not clear how he got to the figure of R120 million, or whether he was joking.
Soon afterwards, his lawyer, Nicqui Galaktiou, sent the following message: “Disclosure of Mr Malema’s private affairs with Sars is a violation of his right to privacy.”
She also said publishing private tax information was a criminal offence “and breaks the sanctity between a taxpayer and Sars”.
City Press understands that the more than R10 million he owes Sars includes penalties. Money owed in an assessment usually emanates from income that wasn’t declared or not fully declared.
Three independent sources confirmed Malema’s tax troubles.
City Press reported last month that in 2010 alone, R3 million was paid into the trust by different people.
The league’s officials said in a statement in July last year if there was any wrongdoing on the part of the trust, Malema “is open and ready for investigations by Sars, and any other law enforcement agencies”.
It is believed Malema will object to the Sars assessment. He could then approach a tax court or appeal against the finding in a high court. At this point, his tax affairs would become public. If this appeal is turned down, he’d have to pay up or have his assets attached.
Sars spokesperson Adrian Lackay could not comment, saying taxpayers’ affairs are secret.
Now people will start with their assumptions and not let the law take its cause, yes the motive might be political but how sure are you guys that it wasn't intentional ploy just to get sympathy from the public for Malema and his lawyer Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Sinudeity
JajasQueen - PS, a government of 11 year olds could have done a better job than the Nats, if merely the fact that they had to lift apartheid laws off the country. Saying the ANC is doing better than them, isnt saying much at all. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
and not to mention that the anc ploughs back all resources in already developed areas cause they make sure that town ships are inhabitable, so the black middle class have to live in former white only areas cause of infrastructure and convenience which means their incomes are spent developing already developed areas whilst the masses wallow in sewage bursting pipes, toxic drinking, crime dens I just read that last week now the graveyards are seen by some of the downtro ddens as habitable places, jirre not even evil Verwoed could have thought this was possible to dehumanise ppl in this way, but hey we have your anc to thank for this jaja. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
@mambaaai
SITES/SERVICES >
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By: Carien du Plessis and Sipho Masondo
--------------------------------------------------------------What earth shattering news, how will I now be able to sleep with all this information in my head? MCWIM!!! Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
@lindsay - exactly Lindsay but the cellphones are useful for the records of who else is on the database of the lawyer and whether such contacts can be used in this Manguang fight. SAn is F*cked if that man retains second term presidency. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
It has Mangaung written all over it.
Well advocate, cry me a salt river infested with crocodiles........... you are not the first crime victim and nor will you be the last, you have just added another digit to the statistics........ Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
mambaaai
thats just the tax bill on stuff they can prove..... 1st cut............ wonder about the bIIG brudddas.... Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
@mambaai as I've said here before small minds are amused by small things, malema is a small fry in the sea of corrupt more over he is not a gov official I don't quite know how can it be justified abusing our tx chasign after him, yet the premier who allowed such tenders to happen in Limpopo is poised to be re-deployed, pliz think outside party lines, think first as a SAn not anc supporter cause then when you do it should outrage you that the anc is fighting its manguang battle using tax payers resources. And that is IMMORAL in a country where millions wallow in poverty, Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
and not to mention that the anc ploughs back all resources in already developed areas cause they make sure that town ships are inhabitable, so the black middle class have to live in former white only areas cause of infrastructure and convenience which means their incomes are spent developing already developed areas whilst the masses wallow in sewage bursting pipes, toxic drinking, crime dens I just read that last week now the graveyards are seen by some of the downtro ddens as habitable places, jirre not even evil Verwoed could have thought this was possible to dehumanise ppl in this way, but hey we have your anc to thank for this jaja.
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I asked you what is it that make ANC such bad politicians according to you....since all our politicians have been worse?
and even if the anc were prove that malema is a fully blown corrupt, what are they going to do about it? cause we have cele, shiceka, and myriad of other corrupt thieves in the anc helm still go strong and those who are caught are put on idle at tax payers expense (suspension with full salary), Report Abuse
lets hope Juju is clever enough and blows this whole stuff wide open Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Charley4sure
We are living in a Mafia state being led by one. The robbery has everything
to do with Richard Mduli and Jacob Zuma. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
I am not going to mention names, but it is no secret who is involved in this whole saga. The KZN Mafia is involved in this whole saga. You do not have to be a genius to figure this one out. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
mambaaai
@Charley4sure you reacon guys gonna start getting taken out? Mafia style? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
@jaja you have this talent of asking what one wld think its obvious? honestly jaja can you not use your brains in this life, or you're waiting to use it after life?
the vast difference is so obvious btw the nat vs anc regime, I've already told you in one of my comments above at that nat regime delivered to its constituent even when that meant it has to upset majority as was the case with group areas act and other acts, but the anc is stealing from the very ppl voting it to power leaving desperate and downtrodden, the president's (anc) fa mily alone is responsible to create 700+ destitute from Aurara, need I go on and continue to embarrass your regime of uselessness and super corrupt? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
I've already told you in one of my comments above at that nat regime delivered to its constituent even when that meant it has to upset majority as was the case with group areas act and other acts, but the anc is stealing from the very ppl voting it to power leaving desperate and downtrodden,
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So you think the Nats were okay because they stole from non voters?
This is living proof that crime sees no colour or political affiliation......................in this country, if you in the wrong place at the wrong time, youre BEEEEEEEP!
@The-Rothschilds
This is living proof that crime sees no colour or political affiliation......................in this country, if you in the wrong place at the wrong time, youre BEEEEEEEP!
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This is a lawyer, they are always at the right place and at the right time....no crime here!
JajasQueen
@The-Rothschilds
This is living proof that crime sees no colour or political affiliation......................in this country, if you in the wrong place at the wrong time, youre BEEEEEEEP!
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This is a lawyer, they are always at the right place and at the right time....no crime here!
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The-Rothschilds.............. well said...............and if they can keep the people they are ripping off arguing the toss, about the past, sub structures, tribes including the white ones and irrelavant rubbish they can carry on in the dark like a pack of economic heyenas.....because economics is where its at the people need money effectively, clevrly spent to have our standard of living fixed Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
Jaja are you able to comprehend what's been written in simple English or your pathetic attempts at obfuscating makes it difficult to undestand simple msgs written in English? I have said Nats delivered to their constituent the anc doesnt', I have said the nats pulled all the stops to ensure deliverance of services incl disadvantaging others, if I thought the nats actions were justified why do you think I am mad that they are infiltrating the anc from within causing it to not deliver on amongst other land reform, was Dereke Hannekom not a nat mister who held a land reform portfolio within the anc, and you b@@sboys/girls allowed him to get away with this, and given him a whip to crack on those calling for land reform? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
The-Rothschilds
JajasQueen
@The-Rothschilds
This is living proof that crime sees no colour or political affiliation......................in this country, if you in the wrong place at the wrong time, youre BEEEEEEEP!
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This is a lawyer, they are always at the right place and at the right time....no crime here!
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I have also said here that anc is an organisation of stoogies who are infiltrated by former nat ministers and remote controlled by India corrupt friends of zoomer, I am telling you jaja anc that it wld be easier to deliver the services then I will be off anc's case then you don't have to defend the indefensible b@@sgirl ndini. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
somaartakeit
Jaja are you able to comprehend what's been written in simple English or your pathetic attempts at obfuscating makes it difficult to undestand simple msgs written in English? I have said Nats delivered to their constituent the anc doesnt', I have said the nats pulled all the stops to ensure deliverance of services incl disadvantaging others, if I thought the nats actions were justified why do you think I am mad that they are infiltrating the anc from within causing it to not deliver on amongst other land reform, was Dereke Hannekom not a nat mister who held a land reform portfolio within the anc, and you b@@sboys/girls allowed him to get away with this, and given him a whip to crack on those calling for land reform?
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I hear you my sister, so you are saying that the ANC has been infiltrated by a bunch of rogues and that I have been saying from day one?
JajasQueen
somaartakeit
"I hear you my sister, so you are saying that the ANC has been infiltrated by a bunch of rogues and that I have been saying from day one?" they are ONLY infiltrated cause they chose to sold out cause they knew they could count on you support to support and defend that, cause the minute you saw they were being inflitrated by the rougues what did you do to make others aware of this and possible withhold your vote to protest against such infiltration? instead you are like a female m0nkey ullalating at your b@@s Derek Hann#kom as he cracks his whip on those calling for land reform? Ungomnye wabathengisi unguhlohlesakhe at expense of the masses uyazi? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
The-Rothschilds
somaartakeit
Jaja are you able to comprehend what's been written in simple English or your pathetic attempts at obfuscating makes it difficult to undestand simple msgs written in English? I have said Nats delivered to their constituent the anc doesnt', I have said the nats pulled all the stops to ensure deliverance of services incl disadvantaging others, if I thought the nats actions were justified why do you think I am mad that they are infiltrating the anc from within causing it to not deliver on amongst other land reform, was Dereke Hannekom not a nat mister who held a land reform portfolio within the anc, and you b@@sboys/girls allowed him to get away with this, and given him a whip to crack on those calling for land reform?
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I respect Mr Hannekom for defending minority rights within the ANC. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
@Rothschilds you said it ma man, that Hannekom is there for minority rights not the rights of ALL SAns who voted the party who gave him such a priviledge to start off with, and jaja here expect us to take anc serious?
out of curiosity may I ask how is it that rights of minority are threatened when we speak abt land reform? I was also of the impression that all SAns rights are protected under the constitution, but today you taught me something new, hehehe Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
"I hear you my sister, so you are saying that the ANC has been infiltrated by a bunch of rogues and that I have been saying from day one?" they are ONLY infiltrated cause they chose to sold out cause they knew they could count on you support to support and defend that, cause the minute you saw they were being inflitrated by the rougues what did you do to make others aware of this and possible withhold your vote to protest against such infiltration? instead you are like a female m0nkey ullalating at your b@@s Derek Hann#kom as he cracks his whip on those calling for land reform? Ungomnye wabathengisi unguhlohlesakhe at expense of the masses uyazi?
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So it is very possible that the ANC is doing an excellent job but because of these infiltrations by corrupt elements we do not see that. So dont you think that uprooting these elements will help us see the real and good ANC which has the people's interests at heart?
jaja anc is not able to do anything for the ppl of SA, hence you have lives of the down troddens still remain unchanged, now don't go seek scape g@ots cause I can infilitrated you only when you want to, the anc allowed itself to be infiltrated cause they have stupid ppl at leadership who are pre occupied with looting than delivering services to the ppl who voted for it. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
somaartakeit
@Rothschilds you said it ma man, that Hannekom is there for minority rights not the rights of ALL SAns who voted the party who gave him such a priviledge to start off with, and jaja here expect us to take anc serious?
out of curiosity may I ask how is it that rights of minority are threatened when we speak abt land reform? I was also of the impression that all SAns rights are protected under the constitution, but today you taught me something new, hehehe
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I think the ANC stands for the protection of all SAns rights....so if hanekom upholds that stance....that's still okay cause our/ANC constitution protects the rights of all. The DA is another story though.
the only change post 1994 is that we can now move around sort of fr#ly that is if crimin als do not curtail this fr#dom, for the rest majority bl@cks social status still remain or with very minimal improve ment, so the anc are tender-preneuring b@@sboys and girls with no ability to translate their polices into actions . Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
@jaja don't bring the DA into this, cause I am not their spokesperson, my only relationship with them is that they deliver the service to earn my vote, unlike you being anc fanatic. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
jaja anc is not able to do anything for the ppl of SA, hence you have lives of the down troddens still remain unchanged, now don't go seek scape g@ots cause I can infilitrated you only when you want to, the anc allowed itself to be infiltrated cause they have stupid ppl at leadership who are pre occupied with looting than delivering services to the ppl who voted for it.
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Personally I think you keep tripping over your tongue...you agreed that the ANC is the only party to have delivered to all SAns whether they were voting constituencies or not. They delivered to all SAns?
@you agreed that the ANC is the only party to have delivered to all SAns whether they were voting constituencies or not. They delivered to all SAns? ROTFLOL your imagination is getting the better of you, now that you imagined i said the anc is the only party which delivered, I said the ONLY thing we have is fre#dom of movement which we have negotiate with tsotsis let loose on the streets of SA by the corrupt prison officials losing and selling dock.ets.
I spend most of this morning highlighting to you anc sheop how the anc has failed even the very basics, result in us have highest number of amongst high infant mortality which affects mostly black women girls, is it any wonder that we have now more SA suffering mental dis order? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
and naturally post 1994 the anc didnt' really have a contest cause they are abusing the apartheid and liberation struggle to the hilt and when it suits them, and in the process locking out (PAC) others who also contributed to our liberation, as I understand it PAC political prisoners (some of them) are still in prisoned to this day, hence I said the anc is very much like the nat regime, like the nat regime they imprison and k!ll those opposed to them, I do hope that uJuju has paid up his burial society lol cause he will end up like that body guard who was shagging one of the zoomer w!ves Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
I spend most of this morning highlighting to you anc sheop how the anc has failed even the very basics, result in us have highest number of amongst high infant mortality which affects mostly black women girls, is it any wonder that we have now more SA suffering mental dis order?
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Sana, wena you have a habit of hopping all over the place. Now we have agreed that SA does not have a history of good politicians....we have also agreed that no political party in government has delivered as much as the ANC has done....now my question is what makes you think the ANC is the worst that you have seen in this country?
wena jaja you can deny and defend anc misdemeanors against the masses, one day these will catch up with them and all hell will break loose and you and other blind followers of the anc wld have fully deserved it, cause we are doing all we can to warn you guys of the dangers to the society of corruption infestation wena cause you are a permanent resident of in the trough you defend deny and justify, you know who is the worse enemy of hte poor is you anc ppl, cause you have opportunity to uplift our ppl but instead you chose to enslave them. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
somaartakeit
and naturally post 1994 the anc didnt' really have a contest cause they are abusing the apartheid and liberation struggle to the hilt and when it suits them, and in the process locking out (PAC) others who also contributed to our liberation, as I understand it PAC political prisoners (some of them) are still in prisoned to this day, hence I said the anc is very much like the nat regime, like the nat regime they imprison and k!ll those opposed to them, I do hope that uJuju has paid up his burial society lol cause he will end up like that body guard who was shagging one of the zoomer w!ves
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LOL! Now you see what I mean by hopping all over the place?
@JajasQueen
Hey Bongi, are not you supposed to be on honeymoon this week? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
@Jaja now you expect me to jump up and down for the pathetic and shambolic deliverance the anc has must in 18yrs+ sorry Jaja I don't celebrate mediocre and is mediocre much more could have been done had they not been busy with being corrupt and inept. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
@JajasQueen
Hey Bongi, are not you supposed to be on honeymoon this week?
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You've addressed your comment to the wrong person.
that's not hopping all the over the place jaja that is bringing to table everything the anc crime the anc is guilty of against the masses, and i will continue doing this till you ppl curtail your urge to be corrupt, a Sin rightly said, evil prevails when good ppl do nothing, I will fight for our country as fiercely as I did against apartheid regime, you better be of good health cause you will need all of your stamina to keep up with me. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
somaartakeit
wena jaja you can deny and defend anc misdemeanors against the masses, one day these will catch up with them and all hell will break loose and you and other blind followers of the anc wld have fully deserved it, cause we are doing all we can to warn you guys of the dangers to the society of corruption infestation wena cause you are a permanent resident of in the trough you defend deny and justify, you know who is the worse enemy of hte poor is you anc ppl, cause you have opportunity to uplift our ppl but instead you chose to enslave them.
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Take a deep breath........ which party has ever done better than the ANC in SA?
@somaartakeit
@Jaja now you expect me to jump up and down for the pathetic and shambolic deliverance the anc has must in 18yrs+ sorry Jaja I don't celebrate mediocre and is mediocre much more could have been done had they not been busy with being corrupt and inept.
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SAns have never decided on how much delivery was to be considered as adequate. So wena how much delivery would you consider as adequate?
and you know jaja what is nice about this fight against corrupt anc regime, is that neither or my family is indebted to them, so I can say what needs to be said which I believe to be truth, as I they saying goes, truth shall triumph over evil. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
somaartakeit
that's not hopping all the over the place jaja that is bringing to table everything the anc crime the anc is guilty of against the masses, and i will continue doing this till you ppl curtail your urge to be corrupt, a Sin rightly said, evil prevails when good ppl do nothing, I will fight for our country as fiercely as I did against apartheid regime, you better be of good health cause you will need all of your stamina to keep up with me.
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You raise very important questions but I think you skip to the next one before we have exhausted the one at hand.
LoL did you actually say this "SAns have never decided on how much delivery was to be considered as adequate" LovL *uncontrollably* and you are sober when writing this on a public forum in defense of poor service delivery? jirre I wonder where does anc recruit the likes of you and mthembu who just blacken out your case just by the sheer stupidity of your comment, and your incapability to reason from the perspective of those you are supposed to serve, anyway you guys should feel like cause you are voted in by unthinking flock Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
and you know jaja what is nice about this fight against corrupt anc regime, is that neither or my family is indebted to them, so I can say what needs to be said which I believe to be truth, as I they saying goes, truth shall triumph over evil.
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Dont get emotional and religious on me, we need to talk this out.
Don't you get tired of trying to make someone see the light when they are perpetually looking at a closed door? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
LoL did you actually say this "SAns have never decided on how much delivery was to be considered as adequate" LovL *uncontrollably* and you are sober when writing this on a public forum in defense of poor service delivery? jirre I wonder where does anc recruit the likes of you and mthembu who just blacken out your case just by the sheer stupidity of your comment, and your incapability to reason from the perspective of those you are supposed to serve, anyway you guys should feel like cause you are voted in by unthinking flock
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No SAns have never given a target....but lets take housing.....how much delivery do you think is adequate to the needs of our people?
@BaleliM I see your point, but it has become critically important that as many of us are vocal against this misgoverning of our country, this is the very least we can do to try salvage the country from the wolves poorly dressed in sheep's clothing. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Oshmax
All files lost, oh dear, not again, again, again, again, again, again....... Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
BaleliM
@ somaartakeit & Sinudeity
Don't you get tired of trying to make someone see the light when they are perpetually looking at a closed door?
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Why do you thing SA has never had good politicians throught its history? You seem like a clever girl whose got it all together? You are perpertually looking at an open door.
somaartakeit
@BaleliM I see your point, but it has become critically important that as many of us are vocal against this misgoverning of our country, this is the very least we can do to try salvage the country from the wolves poorly dressed in sheep's clothing.
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Don't you get tired of trying to make someone see the light when they are perpetually looking at a closed door?
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Correction:Why do you THINK SA has never had good politicians throught its history? You seem like a clever girl whose got it all together? You are perpertually looking at an open door.
and just for the records I am not even trying to convince jaja on anything, cause everyone by now is aware that she is part of the cancer devouring our country, but I am talkign the silent voices who are reading these blogs, cause I know that anc jaja as an abuser she will never see the error of hers and her corrupt colleagues ways, even with slave traders they didn't set the slaves fr# cause they decided one day they don't want to be slave masters/traders, they did so cause the slaves were organising themselves against their handlers, so in fear of revolt the handlers surrendered, but the problem with African enslavers, they can't see the bigger picture, even though the Arab spring should have been warning for them, no they insist on putting them (slaves) under their boots,
jjq 1.level that does not have the people protesting and burning tyres in the streets
2. where people and their children can walk around safely like in a normal country, and we dont have murder statistics that are higher than countries engaged in a full blown declared war
3.where there are many continuous widespread stories of large cases of corruption high up
where there are not reports of losses and misaproration of funds throughout the land 4. adequate levels of education so people can see and understand what hell is actually going on Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
@BaleliM as you know these ppl are so engrossed in self they will confuse us being silent as approving their further committing crime (corruption) against us, so my dear, you better buckle up and drag yourself out of your comfort zone and we must tackle these corrupt, there is so much at stake for us, failing which will result in us not only being economic/education/health migrants in WC and GP but in foreign countries too Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
I now must go nourish my body, brain and soul, and come back to fight even more, today I feel particularly energised to fight corrupt anc jaja. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
somaartakeit
and just for the records I am not even trying to convince jaja on anything, cause everyone by now is aware that she is part of the cancer devouring our country, but I am talkign the silent voices who are reading these blogs, cause I know that anc jaja as an abuser she will never see the error of hers and her corrupt colleagues ways, even with slave traders they didn't set the slaves fr# cause they decided one day they don't want to be slave masters/traders, they did so cause the slaves were organising themselves against their handlers, so in fear of revolt the handlers surrendered, but the problem with African enslavers, they can't see the bigger picture, even though the Arab spring should have been warning for them, no they insist on putting them (slaves) under their boots,
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Remember the last time you and I talked...we were on delivery expectations.....and I gave housing as an easy example.
somaartakeit
I now must go nourish my body, brain and soul, and come back to fight even more, today I feel particularly energised to fight corrupt anc jaja.
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@mambaaai
jjq 1.level that does not have the people protesting and burning tyres in the streets
2. where people and their children can walk around safely like in a normal country, and we dont have murder statistics that are higher than countries engaged in a full blown declared war
3.where there are many continuous widespread stories of large cases of corruption high up
where there are not reports of losses and misaproration of funds throughout the land 4. adequate levels of education so people can see and understand what hell is actually going on
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Is this proof of total non delivery or pockets of society who have problems with delivery? Big difference here.
Substandard delivery, innefiient delivery, and non delivery in places, and very very stupid decisions....... Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
you know jaja wena you wld deny if you could walk even though you are not on wheelchair or using crutches, you will still deny that you are able to walk, cause that is what you are an repentant denialist.
@Mambaai thanks for once against posting as a proof of charges of many against anc regime here, but jaja is a brick wall, but we must not resolute and steadfast in our fight against substandard deliverance of services, we not only speak here for our selves we are speaking for our children who will have to inherit a country rotten to the core, you know anc regime inherited a reasonably well functioning country from their predecessors why wld they not want to afford future generations of SA same? they are selfish that's why... Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
mambaaai
we want people who can do the job at the level they are being paid at........... they dont just get or take peanuts,.................... Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
I know that jaja wld argue that but the infrastructure inheritted only served minorities, when in actually fact it was the best developed infracture in the sub-sahara above all other countries considered to be fr# when we were still battling apart-heid,
my point is that, you guys didn't inherit a jungle with no basic structures like Ethiopia and those pathetic countries, all you needed to do was grow from there on. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
BaleliM
somaartakeit
@BaleliM as you know these ppl are so engrossed in self they will confuse us being silent as approving their further committing crime (corruption) against us, so my dear, you better buckle up and drag yourself out of your comfort zone and we must tackle these corrupt, there is so much at stake for us, failing which will result in us not only being economic/education/health migrants in WC and GP but in foreign countries too
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i guess you are right. We get so frustrated by them not seeing what is in front of their eyes and decide to give up and that is what they want.
am buckled up big time Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@mambaaai
Substandard delivery, innefiient delivery, and non delivery in places, and very very stupid decisions.......
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Interesting you should say substandard. inefficient??? So what is substandard delivery at the squatter camp? Informal areas residents in SA set their own residential areas on fire if their bins are not collected, and that's okay? I live in 4ways and when my bin does not get collected I do not set the area on fire? These people do not pay a cent in service rates, so basically you're saying the tax-payer should be happy to foot their bill? Cause the municipality is not getting a cent from them, so somebody has to pay???
and btw jaja if the anc wanted to earn some respectability they should admit/acknowledge that they fail, instead of taking us for fools and getting guys like you and mthembu to arrogantly deny the obvious.
You know the Germans are world respected today, cause they didn't shy away from the Jewish holocust they owned up to it, this sort of lessons the vermin and the anger towards them for their part in this, nina kwi ianc nizi k@k@ nje busy denying the obvious, Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
and wena jaja in particular you insist on making comparisons with the colonists and nats regime, did these regime promised majority (black) SAns a better life or was this the promise made to us by the anc? most black SAns don't care about nats and the colonisers cause they made not promises nor commitments to better our lives, I am shocked that you wld want to use this in your line of argument. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
I know that jaja wld argue that but the infrastructure inheritted only served minorities, when in actually fact it was the best developed infracture in the sub-sahara above all other countries considered to be fr# when we were still battling apart-heid,
my point is that, you guys didn't inherit a jungle with no basic structures like Ethiopia and those pathetic countries, all you needed to do was grow from there on.
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And we have grown...beyond imagination. Look at the jhb map of 1994 and now you will be gobsmacked.
Don't you get tired of trying to make someone see the light when they are perpetually looking at a closed door?
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Correction:Why do you THINK SA has never had good politicians throught its history? You seem like a clever girl whose got it all together? You are perpertually looking at an open door.
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It is not a matter of having a good politician. it is a matter of having politicians that talk with action. I want to see results rather than talk whenever it is election time. The corruption in this country is way to high and absolutely so service delivery.
As for seeming like a clever gal, well i am not. Am actually an intelligent lady. I look at the open door as through that comes opportunity.
In your case jaja as a black woman you should be ashamed for defending the anc blatantly squandering public resources on corrupt agenda, cause consequences of this affect mostly black women, who are main victims of poor health cause health infrastructure is allowd to collapse, who are the main victims of r@pe crime cause corrupt police who are not managed effectively by your leaders fail to deal with corrupt officers and force them to deliver service to crime victims as expected as a direct result foreign donors fund ngo's dealing with r@pe victims in SA, how can you be proud of gross violation to the point you are defending it? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
and wena jaja in particular you insist on making comparisons with the colonists and nats regime, did these regime promised majority (black) SAns a better life or was this the promise made to us by the anc? most black SAns don't care about nats and the colonisers cause they made not promises nor commitments to better our lives, I am shocked that you wld want to use this in your line of argument
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Unfortunately I have no one else to compare with. Politics are based on comparisons, you compare one party to the other. Unfortunately all the parties we have had, have never promised nor delivered to the majority of SAns.
it is black children mainly who are falling prey to child molesters as they have to walk miles and miles to get basic education/health, to date it has been black children are reported to be high risk of premature deaths and infant mortality rate, how can you jaja defend this? cuz this is a direct failure of the regime to deliver basic service. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@BaleliM
It is not a matter of having a good politician. it is a matter of having politicians that talk with action. I want to see results rather than talk whenever it is election time. The corruption in this country is way to high and absolutely so service delivery.
As for seeming like a clever gal, well i am not. Am actually an intelligent lady. I look at the open door as through that comes opportunity.
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Mmmhhhhhhhh??? Which politicians do you know who have ever talked action? Intelligent lady?
how about not comparing but just stick up for what is just? how about sensitising your morals to the injustice that is committed against our ppl by the regime you support? how about being a woman (tigress) and fight for salvation of a fr# enslavement of the children of Africa? why do you contribute instead to African child being condemned to being a slave by the corrupt regimes running not only SA but the continent aground, and how do you find peace within you that we (black women) are the 5th citizens of the world, cause we are most rescued/donated to/charity cases the world over, on issues we should have said no to, instead we defend them like you are doing corrupt which is the enemy of emancipation economically and otherwise? Do you have no heart jaja? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
You know jaja in Ughanda when Amin was r@ping his country to pieces women like you ululated and were hoping to be next in bed with him, do you know what has that done to that country? after Zimbabwe, Malawi in SADC Ughanda produces most refugees, you go figure adn think about how long will SA withstand being perpetually r@ped by politicians supported by you Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
it is black children mainly who are falling prey to child molesters as they have to walk miles and miles to get basic education/health, to date it has been black children are reported to be high risk of premature deaths and infant mortality rate, how can you jaja defend this? cuz this is a direct failure of the regime to deliver basic service.
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It so unfortunate that you as a black woman would fail to see how even the mortallity rates have effectively gone down in SA as compared to previous years. You know somaar, it is so easy to poke holes instead of being part of the doers....I am not sure what the ANC has done to you on a personal level? or who in the ANC has done to you? But I think we should learn to seperate your ANC bias from their job in government. You seem to mix the two up a lot.
and not mention that in Ughanda a woman/girl has to sleep with gov officials in order to get a job in gov, and aids is as bad as in SA and under developing countries, I heard this from one Ughanda's refugee who is seeking asylum in Belgium,
Jaja does it make you feel proud that Africans after our corrupt leaders have corrupted our countries aground, we then go to white run countries to seek refugee? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
You know jaja in Ughanda when Amin was r@ping his country to pieces women like you ululated and were hoping to be next in bed with him, do you know what has that done to that country? after Zimbabwe, Malawi in SADC Ughanda produces most refugees, you go figure adn think about how long will SA withstand being perpetually r@ped by politicians supported by you
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Jirre jaja I don't care what is passed as statistics by your corrupt regime in their poor attempts at hiding the failures, bottom line is that, I know women/girls who have lost their babies due to bad health conditions or non deliverance of this necessary services in the rural and townships, you should not assume you are talking to an armchair politician, I am very much in touch with what's going in SA/Africa and the world, I also know what some SAn gov schools who are sponsored by donors from the West, and yet the anc regime is not short in funds to throw a party. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
I am not hopping more than I am showing you how dangerously closely our situation is to that of Ughanda and other failed states of Africa, or do you measure high percentage of destitute as a success? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
mambaaai
@jjq
Unfortunately I have no one else to compare with. Politics are based on comparisons, you compare one party to the other. Unfortunately all the parties we have had, have never promised nor delivered to the majority of SAns.
how will you know if you prefer strawaberry or banana ice cream....... you have to try them both....its the only way....
if your nails are done badly at one place and you are not toatally happy....do you keep going back for more
NO, because Einstein observed "Its absolute insanity to keep doing the same thing expecting to get different results....."
I reacon its just high time that there is some real competition going here, so that when the one party is not performing well enough or clearly failing, we dont need to argue. just get another one in for a term or two....and then the next time they come back they will be completely focussed on what they are SUPPOSED to be doing..... kinda like giving a naughty child a hiding.....
also you shld use SADC example I gave you to mirror SA, that way you can see for yourself that so called deliverance of service by this regime is a bloody mediocre, cause inspite what I said about Ughanda they have aids problem under control whilst here in SA in a country with most infrastructure in the sub Sahara are succumbing to it, did you know that foreign donors are forking out to charities supposedly supporting homes headed by children who themselves are victims of aids? Do you see why I believe that anc regime is incompetent that not only has condemned young ppl of SA into perpetual charity cases they further confirm general belief that African gov generate charity cases? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
Jirre jaja I don't care what is passed as statistics by your corrupt regime in their poor attempts at hiding the failures, bottom line is that, I know women/girls who have lost their babies due to bad health conditions or non deliverance of this necessary services in the rural and townships, you should not assume you are talking to an armchair politician, I am very much in touch with what's going in SA/Africa and the world, I also know what some SAn gov schools who are sponsored by donors from the West, and yet the anc regime is not short in funds to throw a party.
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Bring proof of your allegations...paste right here/
how in the world wld Africa ever get respect from the world when we continue to fail, lead by ppl who have no ability/interest to advance our issues thus reducing us into world charity cases? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
I am not hopping more than I am showing you how dangerously closely our situation is to that of Ughanda and other failed states of Africa, or do you measure high percentage of destitute as a success?
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This is SA and Ugandan dynamics will never apply here. Do you think the same Ugandan dynamics will apply in Greece....since they are corrupt as well?
why don't you ask SAn foreign office, namely uGumbi who collected cheque from the UN abt 3yrs ago for such a charity to build roof for a gov school in the EC. and you know what I find most insulting about this, he was responsible to throw a party on the boat for the rich whilst he was on foreign mission. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
RPF
@mambaaai
jjq 1.level that does not have the people protesting and burning tyres in the streets
2. where people and their children can walk around safely like in a normal country, and we dont have murder statistics that are higher than countries engaged in a full blown declared war
3.where there are many continuous widespread stories of large cases of corruption high up
where there are not reports of losses and misaproration of funds throughout the land 4. adequate levels of education so people can see and understand what hell is actually going on
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Is this proof of total non delivery or pockets of society who have problems with delivery? Big difference here.
It's a proof of a government failing to execute it's function to maintain a safe environment for her citizen, especially the poor and the previously disadvantaged people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
of course its already happening, others marry so they can be closer to the one controlling money in the tender preneuring example is the presidential spouses apparently his latest addition to the harem has been benefiting from tender in kzn, lol and she was given a job by an auditing firm, no doubt in return they expect to get business frm gov, its the same old shyte every time. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
BaleliM
JajasQueen
@BaleliM
It is not a matter of having a good politician. it is a matter of having politicians that talk with action. I want to see results rather than talk whenever it is election time. The corruption in this country is way to high and absolutely so service delivery.
As for seeming like a clever gal, well i am not. Am actually an intelligent lady. I look at the open door as through that comes opportunity.
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Mmmhhhhhhhh??? Which politicians do you know who have ever talked action? Intelligent lady?
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what is the point of your argument? that because there has been no history of action in the making by Govt, this one must be excused?
We are all safe, because the given driver for any party is to stay in power and the only way to do that is to deliver to the people..... simple .....straight....... and so regardless of the new party they will deliver to the majority of SAns its obvious.......At the moment we are seeing very BIG delivery to a very very very select few and survival is dependant on hanging in there tooth and nail......... with all sorts of appeals...... Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
so why must always divert stuff now you are bringing in Greece scenario which you have no clue about, either than saying they are corrupt, of course they are as corrupt as anc ministers, they were also tender preneuring during onlympic bid, but at least after the olympics there are huge developments in Athens, plus now they have to walk on a very tight and stringent rope set out by ethics comity of the EU, and are expected to service the EU bail out debt, but our AU what exactly have they achieved to reverser the culture of corruption and non service delivery in the continent? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
IF anything good can come out of this anc corruption regime, is that SAns are now vigilant the new regime will be kept on its toes, cause from our experience with the anc we are not going to be able to trust politicians to work on our interests, so there is some good out of this bad situation. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@BaleliM
Mmmhhhhhhhh??? Which politicians do you know who have ever talked action? Intelligent lady?
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what is the point of your argument? that because there has been no history of action in the making by Govt, this one must be excused?
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You are an intelligent lady so you should know the point of this argument. So you are telling me that in your time you have never been exposed to a good politician, party or a good government?
somertakeit 100% there the ANC will be on their case..........if they do corruption shite....and so it will be better for all SAns Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
btw jaja have you noticed surveys carried out across new agents incl this one that rating for anc regime are lower than 30% every time? what does this say about anc regime? and you shld not say to me that its only the ones who have access to i-net cause you know well that most of us have grass roots connections (relatives) as such their conditions which have not changed iro a better life for all will use their circumstances to reflect on effectiveness or lack thereof of this regime when casting our votes, I have no doubt in my mind that the anc will be nailed in the up coming elections, and it wld have fully deserved that. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
ooh btw jaja something for you to ponder on, have you noticed how in most cases there is just the 3 of you supporting this anc corruption here on Sowetan, mind you when I started blogging here there a lot anc followers, so instead of you being arrogantly denying that this regime is not delivering and is prone to being corrupt, why don't you tell us what are you as jaja doing against your corrupt colleagues, what are you doing to ensuring service delivery, cause denials and emotional blackmails by refering to SA's history 400yrs ago won't cut it this time. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
mambaaai
All the failings in SA linked to this self serving crew........not doing their job...and have stopped caring because they have become too comfortable Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
so why must always divert stuff now you are bringing in Greece scenario which you have no clue about, either than saying they are corrupt, of course they are as corrupt as anc ministers, they were also tender preneuring during onlympic bid, but at least after the olympics there are huge developments in Athens, plus now they have to walk on a very tight and stringent rope set out by ethics comity of the EU, and are expected to service the EU bail out debt, but our AU what exactly have they achieved to reverser the culture of corruption and non service delivery in the continent?
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We've had huge developments after FIFA despite being misguided and ripped off too. So why are their achievements hailed and not ours? You will keep spreading lies about corruption - our government is one of the most uncorrupt in the Africa. Yes it does have a few rotten apples that need to be rooted out. But the ANC has my permanent vote till the SACP manages to find an exit point from their grave.
@mambaaai
All the failings in SA linked to this self serving crew........not doing their job...and have stopped caring because they have become too comfortable
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@Mambaai did they ever cared, and I mean really cared for issues affecting the masses? or they saw their being elected as a ticket to the trough? Cause if they had principles and morals they wldn't sell their souls so easy, and what is worse they are persecuting the PAC trying to suppress it from pointing out anc failures iro fre3dom charter, that's why some PAC politicians are still political prisoners to this day, cause were PAC active, anc wld not be grossly riding on the liberation struggle card for all its worth the PAC wld have put them straight, I am not even PAC supporter but I strongly believe that as our liberation struggle has now been hijacked and hte anc playing race card against the DA we are left with option PAC. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
ooh btw jaja something for you to ponder on, have you noticed how in most cases there is just the 3 of you supporting this anc corruption here on Sowetan, mind you when I started blogging here there a lot anc followers, so instead of you being arrogantly denying that this regime is not delivering and is prone to being corrupt, why don't you tell us what are you as jaja doing against your corrupt colleagues, what are you doing to ensuring service delivery, cause denials and emotional blackmails by refering to SA's history 400yrs ago won't cut it this time.
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All services due to communities are rendered....Sans require very diverse services and people have to be realistic on their expectations.....SAns are not realistic and neither are you. You think you can come here and fight your private ANC battles, think again!
LoL 'we have huge development' of white elephants stadiums some of which can not be sustained, lol now jaja that's a hell of developed by your standards. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
BaleliM
@ JJQ- barking with no teeth defeats the purpose. You can not have 101 people saying one thing and only you are going the other direction.
Am not wasting my time with you. somaartakeit has been trying all day to make you see something or try and kick start something in you but nada.
@somaartakeit I wonder why the great efforts against the PAC and the DA....maybe they see each of them as a threat ...... Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
@JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
"All services due to communities are rendered...." Yeah, is that why another community (was it Diepsloot, can't remember) can not drink tap water for the past week or so?
"Sans require very diverse services and people have to be realistic on their expectations....." why are you telling this to a SAn who has famlies in the rural/township/suburban do you think I don't know what services we should expect from the gov, mcwim!!
"SAns are not realistic and neither are you" so you and the anc corrupt lards are the only ones realistic?
"You think you can come here and fight your private ANC battles, think again!" Now tell me about these private anc battles I am fighting here, cause inasfaras me and the anc it is a political organisation with no personal relations to me, so how did the fight become private? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
@mambaaai
@somaartakeit I wonder why the great efforts against the PAC and the DA....maybe they see each of them as a threat ......
DA is guilty to them for exposing corrupt and hauling hte president to court for bad decisions he made which wld have affected effective running of the country.
well if PAC was here do you think the anc wld be lying about liberation struggle contributions? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
mambaaai
suppose the DA as the opposition party ends up looking bad becasue they have to blow the whistle.....
if they had the platform....I suppose they could explain that Cape Town was voted by Yahoo on line travel survey as the Destination of choice in the WORLD
and a few other accolates associated with the leadership
wonder how these guys would perform if they had the chance to do for the whole country Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Sinudeity
JajasQueen - "I am sure you will give examples?"
How about the 1.5 million ECape kids who havent gotten their textbooks yet? You know, the other article you refuse to comment on today :P
PS, average life expectency was HIGHER during apartheid. People are receiving less quality healthcare now, then what they were during apartheid (black and white). Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
BaleliM
@ JJQ- barking with no teeth defeats the purpose. You can not have 101 people saying one thing and only you are going the other direction.
Am not wasting my time with you. somaartakeit has been trying all day to make you see something or try and kick start something in you but nada.
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the DA is further guilty to zoomer in particular for demanding review of armsdeal case, but to me they are doing a fine job for exposing this corruption and in my opinion the DA are but the ONLY political party btwn complete demolishing our values and everything we gained to date and the anc self serving, imagine if there were not DA to act as a national guard against corruption, can you believe the anc is now resorting to put a ban on freedom of press cause were it for the relentless of some journos like the guys of Amabhungane (investigative journos) and other columnist like Mo-Afrika and them we all wld have been non the wiser on the level of corruption going in the anc, Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
LoL 'we have huge development' of white elephants stadiums some of which can not be sustained, lol now jaja that's a hell of developed by your standards.
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Yeah unfortunately we we skrewd by FIFA's promises, like I said. But never again!
@somaartakeit
cause inasfaras me and the anc it is a political organisation with no personal relations to me, so how did the fight become private?
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and how was it so easy to be screwed? is it cause the ppl who were tasked to work on our interests allowed themselves to be seduced by Blatter and co or they were just plain stupid comprising our interests and willing to sell us out to the first possible exploiter, just like they sold slaves to the slavemasters? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
@JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
cause inasfaras me and the anc it is a political organisation with no personal relations to me, so how did the fight become private?
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Good to hear that...
---------------------------------Not so fast pliz elaborate on your attempt at discredit my views on the anc by perpetuating the myth that mine to them is a private matter, pliz elaborate, cause I have said this here time and time again, I am not in a BEE/AA or anything from the anc, all that I have bcome is down to m y own hard work and commitment to my personal development, on the way I came across ppl who saw potential in me and helped me, I worked less than 5yrs for the regime, so how the f@ck according to you that my issues with them are private? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
DA is guilty to them for exposing corrupt and hauling hte president to court for bad decisions he made which wld have affected effective running of the country.
well if PAC was here do you think the anc wld be lying about liberation struggle contributions?
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DA is guilty of so many things...racism...false allegations of corruption...insulting bl @cks...segregation....dictatorship....lies....espionage....yho! the list is endless.
PAC is in the same grave that my SACP is in...dead
and those that helped me were not anc or da affiliated they were private individuals who appreciated that a girl like me with humble begining did not allow herself be bowled over by circumstances but soldiered on when m ost wld have thrown in a towel, now I want you to elaborate cause you jaja know nothing about me (personally) to arrogantly declare that I am fighting private battles with the anc, I cld chose to keep quite and get on with enjoying what I have, but my conscience won't allow me, cause when I drive to the township I am faced first hand with plight of our ppl, do you know jaja of my closet friends I grew up with, I lost about 8 to aids, and others are just mere drivers for the ministers? and I am talking here about graduates, you know how hard it is in teh EC for ppl to get jobs esp if you are not politically connected, Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
so how the f@ck according to you that my issues with them are private?
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Personal insults normally reveal a very personal relationship.
"DA is guilty of so many things...racism...false allegations of corruption...insulting bl @cks...segregation....dictatorship....lies....espionage....yho! the list is endless.
PAC is in the same grave that my SACP is in...dead "
suppose you can supply examples and proof??????????????????? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
@JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
"DA is guilty of so many things...racism..." racism is it the ONLY card you can play against the DA?
"false allegations of corruption..." LOL yoo Sin over to you! lol
"insulting bl @cks...segregation....dictatorship....lies....espionage....yho! the list is endless" and the anc has not taken the DA to Equality Court because....? you are just a desperate anc liar who always cling onto race card to shield yourself frm taking responsibility of supporting corrupt regime.
"PAC is in the same grave that my SACP is in...dead" you mean the SACP (blade) has become chief capitalist? and SACP's youth wing is fighting capitalists interests? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
somaartakeit
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
so how the f@ck according to you that my issues with them are private?
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Personal insults normally reveal a very personal relationship. has it occur to you that I maybe insulting due to having lack respect for the anc, as a direct result of them being corrupt and arrogant about it? And that they sold us out, otherwise how do you expl that most them leaders are multi millionaires and billionaires in such a short space fo time in power? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaar
cause when I drive to the township I am faced first hand with plight of our ppl, do you know jaja of my closet friends I grew up with, I lost about 8 to aids, and others are just mere drivers for the ministers? and I am talking here about graduates, you know how hard it is in teh EC for ppl to get jobs esp if you are not politically connected,
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All of us have very sad and personal stories to tell. I know how hard the politics of the ECape are. And that place is very close and very dear to me cause I can trace my ancestory through there. No one can force you to vote ANC or DA. But personally as a black woman who has been through the system I have found a lot that me and community can benefit from in ANC policies. My party the SACP is dead and I have made an alliance with the ANC cause they are the only party who will and has delivered to our people.
@somaartakeit
Personal insults normally reveal a very personal relationship. has it occur to you that I maybe insulting due to having lack respect for the anc, as a direct result of them being corrupt and arrogant about it? And that they sold us out, otherwise how do you expl that most them leaders are multi millionaires and billionaires in such a short space fo time in power?
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I know for a fact that its not only ANC who have benefitted from the empowerment programmes in SA. There are a lot of players in big business who have beneffited, you have benefitted and so have millions of SAns. Not all of us would be rich, but we will all have many empowering benefits to our disposal.
@jaja I am not expecting that everyone in SA is rich, but I expect is that everyone in SA has access to the basic necessities such as health, education, shelter and by now the anc shld have been close achieving almost 50% access to these by all citizens, into nje endiyibonayo i anc ilahlela abantu bakuthi emathuneni, hence that guy and many others like him dwelling in the grave yard, jaja do you not think that if the anc was running this country with a fraction of decency, they'd have more support than critics? do you not think that if it did just that (deliver basic services) you wldn't be needing to defending their serial record of failures?
As for your last para, I don't believe that, cause if anc regime was interested in empowerment projects they wldnt' have closed down some of our best teachers/nurses training collegues, consequences of such resutlign in SAn children ONLY being required to have 30% pass rate a practice which serves to devalue SAn qualifications, I ask how will these kids ever make something of themselves in the global stage? did you see qualifications of the Nigerian woman who was contesting for a top job at World Bank? do you think in SA we have a chance of producing that kind of skill? taking 30% in account in your response pliz. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Sinudeity
Yeah, Jaja, just a desperate ANC lair. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Sinudeity
"DA is guilty of so many things...racism...false allegations of corruption...insulting bl @cks...segregation....dictatorship....lies....espionage....yho! the list is endless."
Let me put this to you in your own terms...
Proof please :P
And if you cant prove it, then STFU. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
mambaaai
@jjq
"DA is guilty of so many things...racism...false allegations of corruption...insulting bl @cks...segregation....dictatorship....lies....espionage....yho! the list is endless.
PAC is in the same grave that my SACP is in...dead "
suppose you can supply examples and proof???????????????????
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@jjq to add to somaartakeit look at the recent e toll and tag fiasco if empoyerment was high on the agenda why wasnt a local company empowered to do it.... for example Im sure Denel could have would have easily done this and security and vehicle monitoring could be seen to fit withing their portfolio.....
but they were too worried about their own pockets.....and we live in the world where in fact our minority brothers are in fact a big percentage out there and are still an econmic majority Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
@jaja I am not expecting that everyone in SA is rich, but I expect is that everyone in SA has access to the basic necessities such as health, education, shelter and by now the anc shld have been close achieving almost 50% access to these by all citizens, into nje endiyibonayo i anc ilahlela abantu bakuthi emathuneni, hence that guy and many others like him dwelling in the grave yard, jaja do you not think that if the anc was running this country with a fraction of decency, they'd have more support than critics? do you not think that if it did just that (deliver basic services) you wldn't be needing to defending their serial record of failures?
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Ha ah man somaar la ndoda iphambhene...you can't use him as an example. All our people are recepients of all the services due to them...all infants are immunised.....all school going children are in school.....all pregnant and sick are receiving health care. No one is without electricity and water in this country.
JajasQueen - Hehe, you call 1.5 million kids without textbooks delivery? Please Jaja, please. You are lying to yourself. You are lying to everyone here. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
@jaja I am not expecting that everyone in SA is rich, but I expect is that everyone in SA has access As for your last para, I don't believe that, cause if anc regime was interested in empowerment projects they wldnt' have closed down some of our best teachers/nurses training collegues, consequences of such resutlign in SAn children ONLY being required to have 30% pass rate a practice which serves to devalue SAn qualifications, I ask how will these kids ever make something of themselves in the global stage? did you see qualifications of the Nigerian woman who was contesting for a top job at World Bank? do you think in SA we have a chance of producing that kind of skill? taking 30% in account in your response pliz.
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JajasQueen - "All our people are recepients of all the services due to them...all infants are immunised.....all school going children are in school.....all pregnant and sick are receiving health care. No one is without electricity and water in this country."
Hehehe, your ignorance is shining here. No, most school going children arent in schools. Most of them drop out before matric. Pregnant and sick are not receiving healthcare. A family recently sued the health department, for crippling their baby boy during birth. Lots of people are without water, lots of people are without electricity. You need to get out abit more jaja. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Sinudeity
JajasQueen - You are doing the hopping missie. We are just countering your bullsh1t. Report Abuse
JajasQueen - Nah, the ANC exceeded YOUR expecations. Millions of people feel that the ANC has failed them. Millions of people. If you want an example, I can give you the figure of 18 million unemployed. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
mambaaai
Im not the government so they wouldnt.............. buut I have seen people in the streetsvery very angry....we have all seen country wide black outs......
and our minority brothers never had or caused such rubbish....and all the electrification is a little extension of what they initially did .... Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
mambaaai
well we know your expectations were set very very low for your own reasons.....others around you use the real world as a bench mark and what the minority brothers had a bench mark.....and we want the same....
not an open toilet and dirty water from a tap over there....... Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@mambaaai
Im not the government so they wouldnt.............. buut I have seen people in the streetsvery very angry....we have all seen country wide black outs......
and our minority brothers never had or caused such rubbish....and all the electrification is a little extension of what they initially did ....
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You seem to be talking about other people's needs. What about you? Don't you need anything?
@mambaaai
well we know your expectations were set very very low for your own reasons.....others around you use the real world as a bench mark and what the minority brothers had a bench mark.....and we want the same....
not an open toilet and dirty water from a tap over there.......
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Around the world??? So which country is the bench mark?
somaartakeit
@Rothschilds you said it ma man, that Hannekom is there for minority rights not the rights of ALL SAns who voted the party who gave him such a priviledge to start off with, and jaja here expect us to take anc serious?
out of curiosity may I ask how is it that rights of minority are threatened when we speak abt land reform? I was also of the impression that all SAns rights are protected under the constitution, but today you taught me something new, hehehe
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The ANC is thinking of changing the property clause in the constitution. Based on easy-way-out politics that is a short-term solution.
For example, Mugabe's land reform program won ZANU PF one election, until the economy went down the tube, caused mass starvation & exodus to neighboring countries. This lead to ZANU PF losing majority votes to the MDC in the following 2008, and now the MDC are expected to have a land-slide victory in next years national election. A fast tracked land reform program would only solve the ANC's problems in the short-run, but will cost them, possibly even absolute power in the medium and long runs because of the backfiring economics that comes with revolutions that are not sustainable.
Hanekom sees through the land rhetoric the harsh reality should we chose the wrong path of Zimbabwe. Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Sinudeity
JajasQueen - "Around the world??? So which country is the bench mark?"
If there was a country who's political system I wish we mimicked, it would be Swedens. And their education, healthcare, delivery etc.
Which country are you comparing South Africa too? Im assuming Zimbabwe? Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
mambaaai
@jjQ need a better lifestyle in my community for me and my family ...... for the money I pay in taxes....not going off into some fatcat pocket....
@JJQ I need people who run a country properly and dont sell b u l ll sh!t stories that people with big fat blinkers on who just believe propaganda....when there is too much evidence as to WHY the goodies are not forthcoming Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
mambaaai
@jjQ need a better lifestyle in my community for me and my family ...... for the money I pay in taxes....not going off into some fatcat pocket....
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What is a better lifestyle, be clear in your needs! You want a better house? A new car?
@mambaaai
@JJQ I need people who run a country properly and dont sell b u l ll sh!t stories that people with big fat blinkers on who just believe propaganda....when there is too much evidence as to WHY the goodies are not forthcoming
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So on a personal level you have running water, electricity, health care, access to housing? The only thing you do not want is b ull s hit stories? Well to put you at ease...all politicians are full of those!
@JJQ contious electricity for one
a safe environment to live in for two, normal in a countries in the 21st century Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@mambaaai
JJQ contious electricity for one
a safe environment to live in for two, normal in a countries in the 21st century
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Are you not safe in your living evironment? I dont understand what you mean about 21st century....what?...
jjq your paradigms are 500 years ago thats why your expectations have been exceeded.......... in which case the minority brothers are heroes because at that time they brought us the idea of running warter , education, toilets, clean water, continuous electricity, roads, medical sciences and sytems, cars education houses other than grass kaya etc etc Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
JajasQueen
@mambaaai
jjq your paradigms are 500 years ago thats why your expectations have been exceeded.......... in which case the minority brothers are heroes because at that time they brought us the idea of running warter , education, toilets, clean water, continuous electricity, roads, medical sciences and sytems, cars education houses other than grass kaya etc etc
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My personal paradigms? You reckon...I have very low ones. What should I be opting for? Since electricity, education ....the basics being delivered by the ANC are not enough to aspire for. What should I be aspiring for?
@jjq similar comments going on here like that white tribe used to say ....everyone has voting rights just got to go to our homelands.... Report Abuse
Apr 23, 2012
Wordoftruth
The B!ack Lawyers Society better not keep quiet on this. Ukushishimbiswa kwabameli yinto esayilwela ngezinkathi zeApartheid and it should not be allowed in a new democracy. Report Abuse
Apr 24, 2012
jonazzjon
great blog,, u cn also check: http://www.mzansiLink.com Report Abuse
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So..Mr.Kanga is using dirty tricks to ensure his re-election in Mangaung...The ANC is moving towards an era where presidents will assume power through coups.Report Abuse
MsMash1
Bathong Sowetan!! House break-ins happen almost daily in this country, which go unsung!!!! Is there a particular reason why Sikhakhane's ordeal is being reported????Report Abuse
Wisdom2
You have already judged.H e has just said that his Friends asked him why he supported certain people and you are their condenmingReport Abuse
Nincompoop
Why did he not keep important files and documents under lock-and-key, in a safe?Report Abuse
Nzule
Zuma,no doubt!Report Abuse
Reyataz
Oh please! It's just common thuggery which we all suffer on a daily basis thanks to our insufficient visible policing (if only the buffoons that rule this country could do something!). He should actually be grateful he is alive, some are not so lucky.Report Abuse
Lehido
and?....We suppose to give a sh!t?Report Abuse
JajasQueen
I dont know whether its me...but I get the feeling there seems to be more lawyers than people?Report Abuse
MorenaWaPolelo
Dirty tricks here no doubt!!!Report Abuse
MommaC
Ordinary burglars don't take legal files. This has got to be specifically targeted. I'm just glad nobody was home at the time as things would have got very nasty.Report Abuse
life1703
Nothing synical. I am also a victim,so what??????????Report Abuse
Nwanawamukalaha
Zuma is a coward...........BTW, did JZ re-pay Shaik his R2m he owes him?
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Punkies
I don't think this has anything to do with him being Malema's lawyer, crime happens to anyone in SA. @Ndese1, i agree with you.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
the more things the more they remain the same, only because the ppl have given politicians blank signed cheques to run amok. The diffs btwn apartheid and now is the skin colour of the oppressor. Lets recap, the former regime when they didn't agree with views of others, the lawyers representing those will be ransacked or even imprisoned in the case of Mxenges they were murdered, SA are you paying attention?they tried to pass on the murder of Biko as suicide, we just learn yesterday about suspicions that the body guard who is alleged to have committed suicide his death points more to 'murder' than suicide, hopefully, is it just possible his affair with president's w!fe has anything to do with him committing staged suicide?
So far we watched in horror as the police ruthlessly gunned Tatane just like apartheid police ruthlessly gunned down Hector, SA you better be paying attention, cause at least now we still have a chance to change this horror movie gracing our screens.
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Ndese1
Malema lawyer want sympathy from the public. He actually hired the criminals, nothing strange hereReport Abuse
somaartakeit
@Nwanawamukalaha - he paid him more, he rewarded his brother with top secret service job, what more do you want eintlik him to do in order for you to realise that he does keep his promise to those connected to him?Just before you ask, Mdluli has also gotten his reward, apparently SAns are paying 5mil for jobs and perks affording his family working for security services, looks like zuma is not only fathering the nation, he is also building a private army for himself.
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somaartakeit
the reason politicians in Africa will always get with violating rights of their citizens is because Africans generally have a short memory span and instead of using heads during elections they use hearts, generally African have mentalities of abuse victims, who refuse to break away from abusive relationships, that is why most African leaders are not afraid to blatantly abuse power cause they know they will not be held accountable.Report Abuse
guiliano
I know it is malema's publicity stunt, maybe he wants sympathy from the anc.Report Abuse
JajasQueen
@Ndese1Malema lawyer want sympathy from the public. He actually hired the criminals, nothing strange here
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Yep nothing here, I bet you he called the newspapers before he even called the police.
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TKay
So are they linking the robbery with JZ cause he is having beef with both Malema and Tokyo? what about his other clients that are not knownReport Abuse
somaartakeit
Tokyo is poised to benefit from 10bil tender, but the gov is more concerned abt 10mil allegedly owed by malema to the taxman, I wonder how is this regime's priorities set iro zuma alleged commitment to fight corruption within the gov? or this 10bil tender will only be pursued once Tokyo falls out of favour with the powers be?Report Abuse
MommaC
somaartakeitWhich tender did Tokyo get?
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somaartakeit
@Tkay any information (confidential) disclosed to the lawyer by his/her client, will be a good weapon to use in the uphill battle leading to Manguang, this is an old gov tact of fighting opponents, it happened during apartheid too, personally I will not put this past zuma regimeReport Abuse
somaartakeit
@MC don't know if you read the M&G over the week-end apparently his company is linked to a 10bil tender, pliz go read under 'amabhungane' is the investigate report from the MG.Report Abuse
JajasQueen
@MommaCsomaartakeit
Which tender did Tokyo get?
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She's off rattling on one of her tangets again...
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somaartakeit
@Jaja had it not been in black and white print I'd agree that I am on a tangent but it was printed boldly by our heroic reporters who are doing their best to keep us informed but then the likes of you remain uninformed and ignorant, it is such a pity that education was wasted on you, cause nje you are the type that is uneducatable.Report Abuse
Sinudeity
JajasQueen - Speaking of which, why havent you commented on the articles about "financial rot in Joburg" article, or the 1.5 million ECape kids who havent gotten their textbooks yet?Report Abuse
Sinudeity
somaartakeit - I think ignorant is a better word.Report Abuse
Lipgloss
indlu yakho yinhleReport Abuse
somaartakeit
Dear Jaja God gave you brains so that you can use them for your benefit, when women like you support corrupt politicians, they contribute to pre-mature deaths of African children, due to African medical infrastructure being unequipped for the task, you are not doing yourself favours by supporting corruption more than you are condemning Africa to perpetual charity.Report Abuse
MommaC
somaartakeitI can't find it, doll. There is only a piece by him on how difficult it is to get information. Can you remember the title of it?
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somaartakeit
@Sin or that she benefits directly from this corrupt, that is the only reason she wld be condoning it. But then she is from the EC, where children have to travel km's on empty stomachs cause the EC gov FAILED to improve or maintain what they took over from Lennox Sebe regime, cause you know the ppl of the EC were never economic migrants we boasted some of the best factories the country had, and best colleges which the anc destroyed to ashes since the infestation. Now the EC children have to be education/medical migrants in other provinces, you know we had some of the well managed hospitals/clinics? I lived that life, so I know, but then when anc became gov like most we thought there will even be better,Report Abuse
somaartakeit
will go hunt and will post it here... can't remember the title:-)Report Abuse
Sinudeity
MommaC - mg.co.za/article/2012-03-23-sexwales-prints-all-over-r10bn-tenderReport Abuse
somaartakeit
aah dankie liebe Sinudeity you saved time:-)Report Abuse
Sinudeity
somaartakeit - ECape is where the majority of our motor-industry is. The province, does indeed have manufacturing capacity. Just a pity the province is operated by incompetent/corrupt officials.Report Abuse
Sinudeity
somaartakeit - :)Report Abuse
SKIZOBANTWANA
@SowetanCome on now.. this is r!diculous,what should we do about this..?
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somaartakeit
and it has great tourism potential for sea sport and also fertile farming land, which the anc regime failed to prevail and grow the economic pie for the ppl of SA and for their upkeep as well, instead they are concentrating on the WC/GP economies and bleeding tax payers in those region dry with eToll-Thievery and other scams. THey let infrastructure collapse, how expensive this will be to rebuild these from the beginning, EC used to boast basic railway infrastructure, some of which has since been used to build shacks, the most basics of tasks the anc fails cause they failed to appoint qualified persons in strategic positions,aaah you should see the waste they make in the foreign mission offices, it will blow you how SAns tax payers money is used to throw parties...
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Sinudeity
somaartakeit - Like this weekend it was reported, the sports ministry blew R50 million on a party. And their annual lotto budget is R70 million. So much for using the money to train our athletes or investing in school sport programs.Report Abuse
MommaC
Thanks Sinudeity.Very convoluted tie in though. It certainly sounds all very incestuous but I'm not sure if there is a direct line to Tokyo or if there is just a heck of a lot of ties between absolutely everyone in it. The authors did more to confuse me than to inform me so maybe I'm just not seeing it.
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somaartakeit
@Sinudeitysomaartakeit - "Like this weekend it was reported, the sports ministry blew R50 million on a party" I bet jaja will reason out that this party was necessary for whatever the hell her new excuse is to support waste of SA's meagre resources, whilst millions of SAn have to dwell in the graveyard due to lack of basic resources to support these ppl.
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Sinudeity
MommaC - Yeah, that is does. But it still draws quite abit of attention to the corrupt tender practises employed. How one company, influences another company to get the tender. And how the government is influenced in getting said tenders. Attention was drawn on Jacob's lawyer as well, and the nice job he is getting.Report Abuse
letsetse
Right on brotherReport Abuse
Shredder
@Mrazane - "if this is what they will do to get elected in Mangaung what do you think they will do if we tried to vote them out of government."That's my fear for this country. I don't think they will accept the results of the votes and will do as the other countries always do. What a frightening thought.
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JajasQueen
SinudeityJajasQueen - Speaking of which, why havent you commented on the articles about "financial rot in Joburg" article, or the 1.5 million ECape kids who havent gotten their textbooks yet?
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JajasQueen
@somaartakeitDear Jaja God gave you brains so that you can use them for your benefit, when women like you support corrupt politicians, they contribute to pre-mature deaths of African children, due to African medical infrastructure being unequipped for the task, you are not doing yourself favours by supporting corruption more than you are condemning Africa to perpetual charity.
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Which politicians do you know who are not corrupt?
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Sinudeity
JajasQueen - *yawn*In no mood for your circumvention today.
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MommaC
SinudeityOld Hulley seems to have his fingers in every skellem pie. I notice that Lazarus Zim is still staying under the radar though.
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JajasQueen
SinudeityJajasQueen - *yawn*
In no mood for your circumvention today.
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somaartakeit
@JajasQueen@somaartakeit
Dear Jaja God gave you brains so that you can use them for your benefit, when women like you support corrupt politicians, they contribute to pre-mature deaths of African children, due to African medical infrastructure being unequipped for the task, you are not doing yourself favours by supporting corruption more than you are condemning Africa to perpetual charity.
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this question has what to do iro large scale mismanaged of resources we don't have or barely have?
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Sinudeity
JajasQueen - You are the one spreading venom missie.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@Sin this jaja character is a typically tin pot politician who think that corruption is a normal way of life, she is typically anc in arrogance when defending this corruption, cause most of them believe its their time to 'eat' is it any wonder wtih ppl like jaja in top gov position Africa is such a cesspool of poverty and all other corruption linked mayhem.Anyway jaja the good news is the West has no money to bail/donate as they now have to rescue themselves, and the voting lines in the West are that, resources of the ppl there have to be used on the ppl in those countries, cause tax payers there say they don't see progress for most of what's been given out as donation/aid, and most political parties are competing with ideas on how their political parties will effectively use resources should they be elected to power, its an interesting trend to watch and I feel envious of these guys for their ability to hold their leaders accountable, I wish that could rub off on Africans who are voting, cause some how we always manage to vote ourselves leaders who are wasteful of our resources.
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JajasQueen
@somaartakeitYou have not given me a list of politicians who are not corrupt. That's what I asked for?
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somaartakeit
@SinudeityJajasQueen - You are the one spreading venom missie.
------------------------------------she is typically anc obfuscating and trying to divert discussion abt corrupt gov officials, unfortunately for her everyone is now aware of her anc outdated obfuscation agenda, jaja you can fool some at some of the times but you can't fool everyone all the time, and soon the ppl of SA will vote the corruption out and usher in a responsible and accountable gov, that much I have not lost hope in our ppl
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somaartakeit
@JajasQueen@somaartakeit
"You have not given me a list of politicians who are not corrupt" and you would have done what exactly abt such a list had it been given to you?
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Sinudeity
somaartakeit - I think the next elections are going to be very interesting. Like I have been saying for a few months, I think Gauteng will switch over to the DA.Report Abuse
JajasQueen
@somaartakeitJajasQueen - You are the one spreading venom missie.
------------------------------------she is typically anc obfuscating and trying to divert discussion abt corrupt gov officials, unfortunately for her everyone is now aware of her anc outdated obfuscation agenda, jaja you can fool some at some of the times but you can't fool everyone all the time, and soon the ppl of SA will vote the corruption out and usher in a responsible and accountable gov, that much I have not lost hope in our ppl
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You have not given a list of non corrupt politicians...does that mean we do not have politicians who are not corrupt in SA?
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Sinudeity
JajasQueen - "You have not given me a list of politicians who are not corrupt."According to the article that you are avoiding, the Midvaal DA politicians.
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somaartakeit
Anyway I am now gonna have to go win some breadie:-)Oldlady you asked the other day if what happens if a tradition woman wld marry more than one husband in line of this polygammy culture? well as things stand, the boyfriend/toyboy will commit (staged) suicide as it has now transpired with the Mantuli's late lover... that my friend is guaranteed to send a clear msg to wld be competitor.
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MolomoMonate
but this guy looks on the pic looks like that one who went to heaven and draw the map. I THOUGHT THE STORY CONTINUES LOLReport Abuse
JajasQueen
somaartakeit@JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
"You have not given me a list of politicians who are not corrupt" and you would have done what exactly abt such a list had it been given to you?
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Actually the list will prove that SA has been plagued by corrupt politicians nothing to do with any political party per se...so will you forward a list of the not corrupt politicians.
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MolomoMonate
I mean he looks alike with the heaven man.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@JajasQueensomaartakeit
@JajasQueen
@somaartakeit
"You have not given me a list of politicians who are not corrupt" and you would have done what exactly abt such a list had it been given to you?
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"Actually the list will prove that SA has been plagued by corrupt politicians..." and that makes it alright then? or is that supposed to justify corruption Jaja? or you're trying to say we should live with it? what exactly are you insinuating by this comment of yours?
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JajasQueen
@somaartakeit""Actually the list will prove that SA has been plagued by corrupt politicians..." and that makes it alright then? or is that supposed to justify corruption Jaja? or you're trying to say we should live with it? what exactly are you insinuating by this comment of yours?
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What I am saying is that in all 400+ years since politics were introduced in SA, we have never had a non corrupt politician. Why is that? Don't you think we should be looking at that instead of siyekehe phezulu lento? Why has SA never had a politician who is above board?
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JajasQueen@somaartakeit
""Actually the list will prove that SA has been plagued by corrupt politicians..." and that makes it alright then? or is that supposed to justify corruption Jaja? or you're trying to say we should live with it? what exactly are you insinuating by this comment of yours?
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Correction: What I am saying is that in all 400+ years since politics were introduced in SA, we have never had a non corrupt politician. Why is that? Don't you think we should be looking at that instead of SIYIKHE phezulu lento? Why has SA never had a politician who is above board?
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itsme4sure
OMG...here we go with list of names again.....JaJa and Sin.....dont you two ever get bored with the same rhetoric on every political articleReport Abuse
JajasQueen
@itsme4sureOMG...here we go with list of names again.....JaJa and Sin.....dont you two ever get bored with the same rhetoric on every political article
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Why do you think SA has never had politicians who are above board?
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Sinudeity
JajasQueen - "Why has SA never had a politician who is above board?"You are not looking in the right place. We have plentyt of above board politicians. But they are not part of your party. That is the problem.
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itsme4sure
we can assume all we want until the truth comes out during the investigations...for now, this is a normal house burglary at a lawyers house.....2 cars (subsequently found) & 2 TV’s was stolen including documents....no one knows which documents was stolen at this moment...stop the assumptions people.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
Hey Jaja did the anc not say they will do better by than the nats and former colonisers? and in any-case you have no business referring to those ppl, considering that no non white voted for them as such they were not accountable to us they didn't even pretend they want to gov us fairly, so what's your point really? I have said to you before, if you must obfuscate on behalf of the gov, pliz be intelligent about it, and don't drag the dead carcasses onto the table that will cause a stink.Report Abuse
Sinudeity
itsme4sure - Evil prevails if good men do nothing. I cant allow Jaja to prevail :PReport Abuse
itsme4sure
@JajasQueenAsk Sin for the list of reasons why there has never been politicians above board.
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somaartakeit
@Itsme... since when the crooks who break into houses concerned themselves about some legal documents or any documents more than their main concern is property which they can sell and profit from it? the mere fact that documents were missing leads many to believe that its a staged robbery as part of the Manguang fight.... cause any information given to this lawyer cld be usable in the fight, and I wldn't put anything past zuma considering how he illegally obtained tapes which later resulted in him not standing trial for corruption relationship he has a convicted fraudster.Report Abuse
JajasQueen
@somaartakeitHey Jaja did the anc not say they will do better by than the nats and former colonisers? and in any-case you have no business referring to those ppl, considering that no non white voted for them as such they were not accountable to us they didn't even pretend they want to gov us fairly, so what's your point really? I have said to you before, if you must obfuscate on behalf of the gov, pliz be intelligent about it, and don't drag the dead carcasses onto the table that will cause a stink.
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And the ANC has done better than the Nats...ANC has delivered to more SAns than the Nats or anyone ever has in SA.... now going back to why we do not have politicians who are up to scratch in SA. Why is that?
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somaartakeit
ooh ja they did do better than the nats, at least the nats looked after the ppl who voted for it, hence the Sandtons and other developed areas, the majority voting anc live in shacks, go figure they've bettered the subjecting black SAns into poverty, they won hands down against the nats insulting the dignity of millions of black SAns.Report Abuse
JajasQueen
@itsme4sure@JajasQueen
Ask Sin for the list of reasons why there has never been politicians above board.
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Do you think he will have it? Cause he has never put anything tangible or of value since day one.
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Sinudeity
JajasQueen - "now going back to why we do not have politicians who are up to scratch in SA. Why is that?"We do, they are just not in your party.
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JajasQueen
@somaartakeitooh ja they did do better than the nats, at least the nats looked after the ppl who voted for it, hence the Sandtons and other developed areas, the majority voting anc live in shacks, go figure they've bettered the subjecting black SAns into poverty, they won hands down against the nats insulting the dignity of millions of black SAns.
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So you think this makes them bad politicians? Why? Cause all we've had through history were actually worse?
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Sinudeity
JajasQueen - Just think how much better we could do, if we didnt have the corrupt/incompetent ANC.Report Abuse
itsme4sure
@somaartakeitat present, no one can prove beyond reasonable doubt what the motive was for the robbery.....can we....so you can assume all you want, until the truth comes out or the law can prove what the motive was....until then. JZ (even though i dont like the man) and the rest of the Govt is innocent.
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lehlanyaLaPTA
haona o mongwe... ke ZUMA!Report Abuse
lindsay
i wouldn't be surprised if the police are the ones who broke in , so the television, cellphone and cars were just a coverup so that it people should the motive was to still some furniture whilst they are interested on filesReport Abuse
mambaaai
SITES/SERVICES >CityPress Home > South Africa
Taxman serves R10m bill on Malema
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By: Carien du Plessis and Sipho Masondo
2012-04-22 10:00
Suspended ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema has been served with a tax bill of more than R10 million.
At the same time, Malema hit out at his detractors, saying they have “unleashed all state agencies against me because they want to silence me”.
Speaking outside his house in Flora Park, Polokwane, yesterday, Malema said if anybody wanted to arrest him “they know my address”.
The South African Revenue Service (Sars) has added to Malema’s woes by demanding more than R10 million in taxes from him – apparently related to the millions deposited into his Ratanang Family Trust.
Malema is likely to be kicked out of the governing ANC this week for ill-discipline.
Malema initially reacted with shock when City Press approached him for comment, saying via SMS: “What? That’s not possible.”
But later he again replied via SMS, saying his accountant said the amount owed to Sars was R120 million. He added: “We prefer to (deal) with Sars directly, not through City Press.”
It is not clear how he got to the figure of R120 million, or whether he was joking.
Soon afterwards, his lawyer, Nicqui Galaktiou, sent the following message: “Disclosure of Mr Malema’s private affairs with Sars is a violation of his right to privacy.”
She also said publishing private tax information was a criminal offence “and breaks the sanctity between a taxpayer and Sars”.
City Press understands that the more than R10 million he owes Sars includes penalties. Money owed in an assessment usually emanates from income that wasn’t declared or not fully declared.
Three independent sources confirmed Malema’s tax troubles.
City Press reported last month that in 2010 alone, R3 million was paid into the trust by different people.
The league’s officials said in a statement in July last year if there was any wrongdoing on the part of the trust, Malema “is open and ready for investigations by Sars, and any other law enforcement agencies”.
It is believed Malema will object to the Sars assessment. He could then approach a tax court or appeal against the finding in a high court. At this point, his tax affairs would become public. If this appeal is turned down, he’d have to pay up or have his assets attached.
Sars spokesperson Adrian Lackay could not comment, saying taxpayers’ affairs are secret.
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Nhlanhlaz
Now people will start with their assumptions and not let the law take its cause, yes the motive might be political but how sure are you guys that it wasn't intentional ploy just to get sympathy from the public for Malema and his lawyerReport Abuse
Sinudeity
JajasQueen - PS, a government of 11 year olds could have done a better job than the Nats, if merely the fact that they had to lift apartheid laws off the country. Saying the ANC is doing better than them, isnt saying much at all.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
and not to mention that the anc ploughs back all resources in already developed areas cause they make sure that town ships are inhabitable, so the black middle class have to live in former white only areas cause of infrastructure and convenience which means their incomes are spent developing already developed areas whilst the masses wallow in sewage bursting pipes, toxic drinking, crime dens I just read that last week now the graveyards are seen by some of the downtro ddens as habitable places, jirre not even evil Verwoed could have thought this was possible to dehumanise ppl in this way, but hey we have your anc to thank for this jaja.Report Abuse
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@mambaaaiSITES/SERVICES >
CityPress Home > South Africa
Taxman serves R10m bill on Malema
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By: Carien du Plessis and Sipho Masondo
--------------------------------------------------------------What earth shattering news, how will I now be able to sleep with all this information in my head? MCWIM!!!
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somaartakeit
@lindsay - exactly Lindsay but the cellphones are useful for the records of who else is on the database of the lawyer and whether such contacts can be used in this Manguang fight. SAn is F*cked if that man retains second term presidency.Report Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
It has Mangaung written all over it.Well advocate, cry me a salt river infested with crocodiles........... you are not the first crime victim and nor will you be the last, you have just added another digit to the statistics........
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mambaaai
thats just the tax bill on stuff they can prove..... 1st cut............ wonder about the bIIG brudddas....Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@mambaai as I've said here before small minds are amused by small things, malema is a small fry in the sea of corrupt more over he is not a gov official I don't quite know how can it be justified abusing our tx chasign after him, yet the premier who allowed such tenders to happen in Limpopo is poised to be re-deployed, pliz think outside party lines, think first as a SAn not anc supporter cause then when you do it should outrage you that the anc is fighting its manguang battle using tax payers resources. And that is IMMORAL in a country where millions wallow in poverty,Report Abuse
JajasQueen
@somaartakeitand not to mention that the anc ploughs back all resources in already developed areas cause they make sure that town ships are inhabitable, so the black middle class have to live in former white only areas cause of infrastructure and convenience which means their incomes are spent developing already developed areas whilst the masses wallow in sewage bursting pipes, toxic drinking, crime dens I just read that last week now the graveyards are seen by some of the downtro ddens as habitable places, jirre not even evil Verwoed could have thought this was possible to dehumanise ppl in this way, but hey we have your anc to thank for this jaja.
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I asked you what is it that make ANC such bad politicians according to you....since all our politicians have been worse?
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somaartakeit
and even if the anc were prove that malema is a fully blown corrupt, what are they going to do about it? cause we have cele, shiceka, and myriad of other corrupt thieves in the anc helm still go strong and those who are caught are put on idle at tax payers expense (suspension with full salary),Report Abuse
mambaaai
somaartakeit 10:4 you are right!Report Abuse
mambaaai
lets hope Juju is clever enough and blows this whole stuff wide openReport Abuse
Charley4sure
We are living in a Mafia state being led by one. The robbery has everythingto do with Richard Mduli and Jacob Zuma.
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
I am not going to mention names, but it is no secret who is involved in this whole saga. The KZN Mafia is involved in this whole saga. You do not have to be a genius to figure this one out.Report Abuse
mambaaai
@Charley4sure you reacon guys gonna start getting taken out? Mafia style?Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@jaja you have this talent of asking what one wld think its obvious? honestly jaja can you not use your brains in this life, or you're waiting to use it after life?the vast difference is so obvious btw the nat vs anc regime, I've already told you in one of my comments above at that nat regime delivered to its constituent even when that meant it has to upset majority as was the case with group areas act and other acts, but the anc is stealing from the very ppl voting it to power leaving desperate and downtrodden, the president's (anc) fa mily alone is responsible to create 700+ destitute from Aurara, need I go on and continue to embarrass your regime of uselessness and super corrupt?
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JajasQueen
I've already told you in one of my comments above at that nat regime delivered to its constituent even when that meant it has to upset majority as was the case with group areas act and other acts, but the anc is stealing from the very ppl voting it to power leaving desperate and downtrodden,__________________________
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The-Rothschilds
This is living proof that crime sees no colour or political affiliation......................in this country, if you in the wrong place at the wrong time, youre BEEEEEEEP!Report Abuse
JajasQueen
@The-RothschildsThis is living proof that crime sees no colour or political affiliation......................in this country, if you in the wrong place at the wrong time, youre BEEEEEEEP!
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This is a lawyer, they are always at the right place and at the right time....no crime here!
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JajasQueen@The-Rothschilds
This is living proof that crime sees no colour or political affiliation......................in this country, if you in the wrong place at the wrong time, youre BEEEEEEEP!
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This is a lawyer, they are always at the right place and at the right time....no crime here!
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What are you suggesting?
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mambaaai
The-Rothschilds.............. well said...............and if they can keep the people they are ripping off arguing the toss, about the past, sub structures, tribes including the white ones and irrelavant rubbish they can carry on in the dark like a pack of economic heyenas.....because economics is where its at the people need money effectively, clevrly spent to have our standard of living fixedReport Abuse
somaartakeit
Jaja are you able to comprehend what's been written in simple English or your pathetic attempts at obfuscating makes it difficult to undestand simple msgs written in English? I have said Nats delivered to their constituent the anc doesnt', I have said the nats pulled all the stops to ensure deliverance of services incl disadvantaging others, if I thought the nats actions were justified why do you think I am mad that they are infiltrating the anc from within causing it to not deliver on amongst other land reform, was Dereke Hannekom not a nat mister who held a land reform portfolio within the anc, and you b@@sboys/girls allowed him to get away with this, and given him a whip to crack on those calling for land reform?Report Abuse
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@The-Rothschilds
This is living proof that crime sees no colour or political affiliation......................in this country, if you in the wrong place at the wrong time, youre BEEEEEEEP!
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This is a lawyer, they are always at the right place and at the right time....no crime here!
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What are you suggesting?
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I have also said here that anc is an organisation of stoogies who are infiltrated by former nat ministers and remote controlled by India corrupt friends of zoomer, I am telling you jaja anc that it wld be easier to deliver the services then I will be off anc's case then you don't have to defend the indefensible b@@sgirl ndini.Report Abuse
JajasQueen
somaartakeitJaja are you able to comprehend what's been written in simple English or your pathetic attempts at obfuscating makes it difficult to undestand simple msgs written in English? I have said Nats delivered to their constituent the anc doesnt', I have said the nats pulled all the stops to ensure deliverance of services incl disadvantaging others, if I thought the nats actions were justified why do you think I am mad that they are infiltrating the anc from within causing it to not deliver on amongst other land reform, was Dereke Hannekom not a nat mister who held a land reform portfolio within the anc, and you b@@sboys/girls allowed him to get away with this, and given him a whip to crack on those calling for land reform?
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I hear you my sister, so you are saying that the ANC has been infiltrated by a bunch of rogues and that I have been saying from day one?
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"I hear you my sister, so you are saying that the ANC has been infiltrated by a bunch of rogues and that I have been saying from day one?" they are ONLY infiltrated cause they chose to sold out cause they knew they could count on you support to support and defend that, cause the minute you saw they were being inflitrated by the rougues what did you do to make others aware of this and possible withhold your vote to protest against such infiltration? instead you are like a female m0nkey ullalating at your b@@s Derek Hann#kom as he cracks his whip on those calling for land reform? Ungomnye wabathengisi unguhlohlesakhe at expense of the masses uyazi?
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somaartakeitJaja are you able to comprehend what's been written in simple English or your pathetic attempts at obfuscating makes it difficult to undestand simple msgs written in English? I have said Nats delivered to their constituent the anc doesnt', I have said the nats pulled all the stops to ensure deliverance of services incl disadvantaging others, if I thought the nats actions were justified why do you think I am mad that they are infiltrating the anc from within causing it to not deliver on amongst other land reform, was Dereke Hannekom not a nat mister who held a land reform portfolio within the anc, and you b@@sboys/girls allowed him to get away with this, and given him a whip to crack on those calling for land reform?
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I respect Mr Hannekom for defending minority rights within the ANC.
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@Rothschilds you said it ma man, that Hannekom is there for minority rights not the rights of ALL SAns who voted the party who gave him such a priviledge to start off with, and jaja here expect us to take anc serious?out of curiosity may I ask how is it that rights of minority are threatened when we speak abt land reform? I was also of the impression that all SAns rights are protected under the constitution, but today you taught me something new, hehehe
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@somaartakeit"I hear you my sister, so you are saying that the ANC has been infiltrated by a bunch of rogues and that I have been saying from day one?" they are ONLY infiltrated cause they chose to sold out cause they knew they could count on you support to support and defend that, cause the minute you saw they were being inflitrated by the rougues what did you do to make others aware of this and possible withhold your vote to protest against such infiltration? instead you are like a female m0nkey ullalating at your b@@s Derek Hann#kom as he cracks his whip on those calling for land reform? Ungomnye wabathengisi unguhlohlesakhe at expense of the masses uyazi?
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So it is very possible that the ANC is doing an excellent job but because of these infiltrations by corrupt elements we do not see that. So dont you think that uprooting these elements will help us see the real and good ANC which has the people's interests at heart?
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somaartakeit
jaja anc is not able to do anything for the ppl of SA, hence you have lives of the down troddens still remain unchanged, now don't go seek scape g@ots cause I can infilitrated you only when you want to, the anc allowed itself to be infiltrated cause they have stupid ppl at leadership who are pre occupied with looting than delivering services to the ppl who voted for it.Report Abuse
JajasQueen
somaartakeit@Rothschilds you said it ma man, that Hannekom is there for minority rights not the rights of ALL SAns who voted the party who gave him such a priviledge to start off with, and jaja here expect us to take anc serious?
out of curiosity may I ask how is it that rights of minority are threatened when we speak abt land reform? I was also of the impression that all SAns rights are protected under the constitution, but today you taught me something new, hehehe
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I think the ANC stands for the protection of all SAns rights....so if hanekom upholds that stance....that's still okay cause our/ANC constitution protects the rights of all. The DA is another story though.
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somaartakeit
the only change post 1994 is that we can now move around sort of fr#ly that is if crimin als do not curtail this fr#dom, for the rest majority bl@cks social status still remain or with very minimal improve ment, so the anc are tender-preneuring b@@sboys and girls with no ability to translate their polices into actions .Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@jaja don't bring the DA into this, cause I am not their spokesperson, my only relationship with them is that they deliver the service to earn my vote, unlike you being anc fanatic.Report Abuse
JajasQueen
@somaartakeitjaja anc is not able to do anything for the ppl of SA, hence you have lives of the down troddens still remain unchanged, now don't go seek scape g@ots cause I can infilitrated you only when you want to, the anc allowed itself to be infiltrated cause they have stupid ppl at leadership who are pre occupied with looting than delivering services to the ppl who voted for it.
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Personally I think you keep tripping over your tongue...you agreed that the ANC is the only party to have delivered to all SAns whether they were voting constituencies or not. They delivered to all SAns?
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somaartakeit
@you agreed that the ANC is the only party to have delivered to all SAns whether they were voting constituencies or not. They delivered to all SAns? ROTFLOL your imagination is getting the better of you, now that you imagined i said the anc is the only party which delivered, I said the ONLY thing we have is fre#dom of movement which we have negotiate with tsotsis let loose on the streets of SA by the corrupt prison officials losing and selling dock.ets.I spend most of this morning highlighting to you anc sheop how the anc has failed even the very basics, result in us have highest number of amongst high infant mortality which affects mostly black women girls, is it any wonder that we have now more SA suffering mental dis order?
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and naturally post 1994 the anc didnt' really have a contest cause they are abusing the apartheid and liberation struggle to the hilt and when it suits them, and in the process locking out (PAC) others who also contributed to our liberation, as I understand it PAC political prisoners (some of them) are still in prisoned to this day, hence I said the anc is very much like the nat regime, like the nat regime they imprison and k!ll those opposed to them, I do hope that uJuju has paid up his burial society lol cause he will end up like that body guard who was shagging one of the zoomer w!vesReport Abuse
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@somaartakeitI spend most of this morning highlighting to you anc sheop how the anc has failed even the very basics, result in us have highest number of amongst high infant mortality which affects mostly black women girls, is it any wonder that we have now more SA suffering mental dis order?
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Sana, wena you have a habit of hopping all over the place. Now we have agreed that SA does not have a history of good politicians....we have also agreed that no political party in government has delivered as much as the ANC has done....now my question is what makes you think the ANC is the worst that you have seen in this country?
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wena jaja you can deny and defend anc misdemeanors against the masses, one day these will catch up with them and all hell will break loose and you and other blind followers of the anc wld have fully deserved it, cause we are doing all we can to warn you guys of the dangers to the society of corruption infestation wena cause you are a permanent resident of in the trough you defend deny and justify, you know who is the worse enemy of hte poor is you anc ppl, cause you have opportunity to uplift our ppl but instead you chose to enslave them.Report Abuse
JajasQueen
somaartakeitand naturally post 1994 the anc didnt' really have a contest cause they are abusing the apartheid and liberation struggle to the hilt and when it suits them, and in the process locking out (PAC) others who also contributed to our liberation, as I understand it PAC political prisoners (some of them) are still in prisoned to this day, hence I said the anc is very much like the nat regime, like the nat regime they imprison and k!ll those opposed to them, I do hope that uJuju has paid up his burial society lol cause he will end up like that body guard who was shagging one of the zoomer w!ves
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LOL! Now you see what I mean by hopping all over the place?
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@JajasQueenHey Bongi, are not you supposed to be on honeymoon this week?
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somaartakeit
@Jaja now you expect me to jump up and down for the pathetic and shambolic deliverance the anc has must in 18yrs+ sorry Jaja I don't celebrate mediocre and is mediocre much more could have been done had they not been busy with being corrupt and inept.Report Abuse
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Hey Bongi, are not you supposed to be on honeymoon this week?
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that's not hopping all the over the place jaja that is bringing to table everything the anc crime the anc is guilty of against the masses, and i will continue doing this till you ppl curtail your urge to be corrupt, a Sin rightly said, evil prevails when good ppl do nothing, I will fight for our country as fiercely as I did against apartheid regime, you better be of good health cause you will need all of your stamina to keep up with me.Report Abuse
JajasQueen
somaartakeitwena jaja you can deny and defend anc misdemeanors against the masses, one day these will catch up with them and all hell will break loose and you and other blind followers of the anc wld have fully deserved it, cause we are doing all we can to warn you guys of the dangers to the society of corruption infestation wena cause you are a permanent resident of in the trough you defend deny and justify, you know who is the worse enemy of hte poor is you anc ppl, cause you have opportunity to uplift our ppl but instead you chose to enslave them.
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Take a deep breath........ which party has ever done better than the ANC in SA?
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@somaartakeit@Jaja now you expect me to jump up and down for the pathetic and shambolic deliverance the anc has must in 18yrs+ sorry Jaja I don't celebrate mediocre and is mediocre much more could have been done had they not been busy with being corrupt and inept.
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SAns have never decided on how much delivery was to be considered as adequate. So wena how much delivery would you consider as adequate?
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and you know jaja what is nice about this fight against corrupt anc regime, is that neither or my family is indebted to them, so I can say what needs to be said which I believe to be truth, as I they saying goes, truth shall triumph over evil.Report Abuse
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somaartakeitthat's not hopping all the over the place jaja that is bringing to table everything the anc crime the anc is guilty of against the masses, and i will continue doing this till you ppl curtail your urge to be corrupt, a Sin rightly said, evil prevails when good ppl do nothing, I will fight for our country as fiercely as I did against apartheid regime, you better be of good health cause you will need all of your stamina to keep up with me.
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You raise very important questions but I think you skip to the next one before we have exhausted the one at hand.
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LoL did you actually say this "SAns have never decided on how much delivery was to be considered as adequate" LovL *uncontrollably* and you are sober when writing this on a public forum in defense of poor service delivery? jirre I wonder where does anc recruit the likes of you and mthembu who just blacken out your case just by the sheer stupidity of your comment, and your incapability to reason from the perspective of those you are supposed to serve, anyway you guys should feel like cause you are voted in by unthinking flockReport Abuse
JajasQueen
@somaartakeitand you know jaja what is nice about this fight against corrupt anc regime, is that neither or my family is indebted to them, so I can say what needs to be said which I believe to be truth, as I they saying goes, truth shall triumph over evil.
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Dont get emotional and religious on me, we need to talk this out.
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BaleliM
@ somaartakeit & SinudeityDon't you get tired of trying to make someone see the light when they are perpetually looking at a closed door?
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@somaartakeitLoL did you actually say this "SAns have never decided on how much delivery was to be considered as adequate" LovL *uncontrollably* and you are sober when writing this on a public forum in defense of poor service delivery? jirre I wonder where does anc recruit the likes of you and mthembu who just blacken out your case just by the sheer stupidity of your comment, and your incapability to reason from the perspective of those you are supposed to serve, anyway you guys should feel like cause you are voted in by unthinking flock
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No SAns have never given a target....but lets take housing.....how much delivery do you think is adequate to the needs of our people?
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@BaleliM I see your point, but it has become critically important that as many of us are vocal against this misgoverning of our country, this is the very least we can do to try salvage the country from the wolves poorly dressed in sheep's clothing.Report Abuse
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All files lost, oh dear, not again, again, again, again, again, again.......Report Abuse
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BaleliM@ somaartakeit & Sinudeity
Don't you get tired of trying to make someone see the light when they are perpetually looking at a closed door?
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Why do you thing SA has never had good politicians throught its history? You seem like a clever girl whose got it all together? You are perpertually looking at an open door.
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somaartakeit@BaleliM I see your point, but it has become critically important that as many of us are vocal against this misgoverning of our country, this is the very least we can do to try salvage the country from the wolves poorly dressed in sheep's clothing.
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Fair enough, back to the example of housing....
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@ somaartakeit & Sinudeity
Don't you get tired of trying to make someone see the light when they are perpetually looking at a closed door?
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Correction:Why do you THINK SA has never had good politicians throught its history? You seem like a clever girl whose got it all together? You are perpertually looking at an open door.
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and just for the records I am not even trying to convince jaja on anything, cause everyone by now is aware that she is part of the cancer devouring our country, but I am talkign the silent voices who are reading these blogs, cause I know that anc jaja as an abuser she will never see the error of hers and her corrupt colleagues ways, even with slave traders they didn't set the slaves fr# cause they decided one day they don't want to be slave masters/traders, they did so cause the slaves were organising themselves against their handlers, so in fear of revolt the handlers surrendered, but the problem with African enslavers, they can't see the bigger picture, even though the Arab spring should have been warning for them, no they insist on putting them (slaves) under their boots,Report Abuse
mambaaai
jjq 1.level that does not have the people protesting and burning tyres in the streets2. where people and their children can walk around safely like in a normal country, and we dont have murder statistics that are higher than countries engaged in a full blown declared war
3.where there are many continuous widespread stories of large cases of corruption high up
where there are not reports of losses and misaproration of funds throughout the land 4. adequate levels of education so people can see and understand what hell is actually going on
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@BaleliM as you know these ppl are so engrossed in self they will confuse us being silent as approving their further committing crime (corruption) against us, so my dear, you better buckle up and drag yourself out of your comfort zone and we must tackle these corrupt, there is so much at stake for us, failing which will result in us not only being economic/education/health migrants in WC and GP but in foreign countries tooReport Abuse
somaartakeit
I now must go nourish my body, brain and soul, and come back to fight even more, today I feel particularly energised to fight corrupt anc jaja.Report Abuse
JajasQueen
somaartakeitand just for the records I am not even trying to convince jaja on anything, cause everyone by now is aware that she is part of the cancer devouring our country, but I am talkign the silent voices who are reading these blogs, cause I know that anc jaja as an abuser she will never see the error of hers and her corrupt colleagues ways, even with slave traders they didn't set the slaves fr# cause they decided one day they don't want to be slave masters/traders, they did so cause the slaves were organising themselves against their handlers, so in fear of revolt the handlers surrendered, but the problem with African enslavers, they can't see the bigger picture, even though the Arab spring should have been warning for them, no they insist on putting them (slaves) under their boots,
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Remember the last time you and I talked...we were on delivery expectations.....and I gave housing as an easy example.
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somaartakeitI now must go nourish my body, brain and soul, and come back to fight even more, today I feel particularly energised to fight corrupt anc jaja.
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I am waiting.....
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@mambaaaijjq 1.level that does not have the people protesting and burning tyres in the streets
2. where people and their children can walk around safely like in a normal country, and we dont have murder statistics that are higher than countries engaged in a full blown declared war
3.where there are many continuous widespread stories of large cases of corruption high up
where there are not reports of losses and misaproration of funds throughout the land 4. adequate levels of education so people can see and understand what hell is actually going on
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Is this proof of total non delivery or pockets of society who have problems with delivery? Big difference here.
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mambaaai
Substandard delivery, innefiient delivery, and non delivery in places, and very very stupid decisions.......Report Abuse
somaartakeit
you know jaja wena you wld deny if you could walk even though you are not on wheelchair or using crutches, you will still deny that you are able to walk, cause that is what you are an repentant denialist.@Mambaai thanks for once against posting as a proof of charges of many against anc regime here, but jaja is a brick wall, but we must not resolute and steadfast in our fight against substandard deliverance of services, we not only speak here for our selves we are speaking for our children who will have to inherit a country rotten to the core, you know anc regime inherited a reasonably well functioning country from their predecessors why wld they not want to afford future generations of SA same? they are selfish that's why...
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we want people who can do the job at the level they are being paid at........... they dont just get or take peanuts,....................Report Abuse
somaartakeit
I know that jaja wld argue that but the infrastructure inheritted only served minorities, when in actually fact it was the best developed infracture in the sub-sahara above all other countries considered to be fr# when we were still battling apart-heid,my point is that, you guys didn't inherit a jungle with no basic structures like Ethiopia and those pathetic countries, all you needed to do was grow from there on.
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somaartakeit@BaleliM as you know these ppl are so engrossed in self they will confuse us being silent as approving their further committing crime (corruption) against us, so my dear, you better buckle up and drag yourself out of your comfort zone and we must tackle these corrupt, there is so much at stake for us, failing which will result in us not only being economic/education/health migrants in WC and GP but in foreign countries too
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i guess you are right. We get so frustrated by them not seeing what is in front of their eyes and decide to give up and that is what they want.
am buckled up big time
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JajasQueen
@mambaaaiSubstandard delivery, innefiient delivery, and non delivery in places, and very very stupid decisions.......
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Interesting you should say substandard. inefficient??? So what is substandard delivery at the squatter camp? Informal areas residents in SA set their own residential areas on fire if their bins are not collected, and that's okay? I live in 4ways and when my bin does not get collected I do not set the area on fire? These people do not pay a cent in service rates, so basically you're saying the tax-payer should be happy to foot their bill? Cause the municipality is not getting a cent from them, so somebody has to pay???
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and btw jaja if the anc wanted to earn some respectability they should admit/acknowledge that they fail, instead of taking us for fools and getting guys like you and mthembu to arrogantly deny the obvious.You know the Germans are world respected today, cause they didn't shy away from the Jewish holocust they owned up to it, this sort of lessons the vermin and the anger towards them for their part in this, nina kwi ianc nizi k@k@ nje busy denying the obvious,
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and wena jaja in particular you insist on making comparisons with the colonists and nats regime, did these regime promised majority (black) SAns a better life or was this the promise made to us by the anc? most black SAns don't care about nats and the colonisers cause they made not promises nor commitments to better our lives, I am shocked that you wld want to use this in your line of argument.Report Abuse
JajasQueen
@somaartakeitI know that jaja wld argue that but the infrastructure inheritted only served minorities, when in actually fact it was the best developed infracture in the sub-sahara above all other countries considered to be fr# when we were still battling apart-heid,
my point is that, you guys didn't inherit a jungle with no basic structures like Ethiopia and those pathetic countries, all you needed to do was grow from there on.
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And we have grown...beyond imagination. Look at the jhb map of 1994 and now you will be gobsmacked.
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@ somaartakeit & Sinudeity
Don't you get tired of trying to make someone see the light when they are perpetually looking at a closed door?
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Correction:Why do you THINK SA has never had good politicians throught its history? You seem like a clever girl whose got it all together? You are perpertually looking at an open door.
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It is not a matter of having a good politician. it is a matter of having politicians that talk with action. I want to see results rather than talk whenever it is election time. The corruption in this country is way to high and absolutely so service delivery.
As for seeming like a clever gal, well i am not. Am actually an intelligent lady. I look at the open door as through that comes opportunity.
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In your case jaja as a black woman you should be ashamed for defending the anc blatantly squandering public resources on corrupt agenda, cause consequences of this affect mostly black women, who are main victims of poor health cause health infrastructure is allowd to collapse, who are the main victims of r@pe crime cause corrupt police who are not managed effectively by your leaders fail to deal with corrupt officers and force them to deliver service to crime victims as expected as a direct result foreign donors fund ngo's dealing with r@pe victims in SA, how can you be proud of gross violation to the point you are defending it?Report Abuse
JajasQueen
@somaartakeitand wena jaja in particular you insist on making comparisons with the colonists and nats regime, did these regime promised majority (black) SAns a better life or was this the promise made to us by the anc? most black SAns don't care about nats and the colonisers cause they made not promises nor commitments to better our lives, I am shocked that you wld want to use this in your line of argument
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Unfortunately I have no one else to compare with. Politics are based on comparisons, you compare one party to the other. Unfortunately all the parties we have had, have never promised nor delivered to the majority of SAns.
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it is black children mainly who are falling prey to child molesters as they have to walk miles and miles to get basic education/health, to date it has been black children are reported to be high risk of premature deaths and infant mortality rate, how can you jaja defend this? cuz this is a direct failure of the regime to deliver basic service.Report Abuse
JajasQueen
@BaleliMIt is not a matter of having a good politician. it is a matter of having politicians that talk with action. I want to see results rather than talk whenever it is election time. The corruption in this country is way to high and absolutely so service delivery.
As for seeming like a clever gal, well i am not. Am actually an intelligent lady. I look at the open door as through that comes opportunity.
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Mmmhhhhhhhh??? Which politicians do you know who have ever talked action? Intelligent lady?
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how about not comparing but just stick up for what is just? how about sensitising your morals to the injustice that is committed against our ppl by the regime you support? how about being a woman (tigress) and fight for salvation of a fr# enslavement of the children of Africa? why do you contribute instead to African child being condemned to being a slave by the corrupt regimes running not only SA but the continent aground, and how do you find peace within you that we (black women) are the 5th citizens of the world, cause we are most rescued/donated to/charity cases the world over, on issues we should have said no to, instead we defend them like you are doing corrupt which is the enemy of emancipation economically and otherwise? Do you have no heart jaja?Report Abuse
somaartakeit
You know jaja in Ughanda when Amin was r@ping his country to pieces women like you ululated and were hoping to be next in bed with him, do you know what has that done to that country? after Zimbabwe, Malawi in SADC Ughanda produces most refugees, you go figure adn think about how long will SA withstand being perpetually r@ped by politicians supported by youReport Abuse
JajasQueen
@somaartakeitit is black children mainly who are falling prey to child molesters as they have to walk miles and miles to get basic education/health, to date it has been black children are reported to be high risk of premature deaths and infant mortality rate, how can you jaja defend this? cuz this is a direct failure of the regime to deliver basic service.
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It so unfortunate that you as a black woman would fail to see how even the mortallity rates have effectively gone down in SA as compared to previous years. You know somaar, it is so easy to poke holes instead of being part of the doers....I am not sure what the ANC has done to you on a personal level? or who in the ANC has done to you? But I think we should learn to seperate your ANC bias from their job in government. You seem to mix the two up a lot.
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and not mention that in Ughanda a woman/girl has to sleep with gov officials in order to get a job in gov, and aids is as bad as in SA and under developing countries, I heard this from one Ughanda's refugee who is seeking asylum in Belgium,Jaja does it make you feel proud that Africans after our corrupt leaders have corrupted our countries aground, we then go to white run countries to seek refugee?
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@somaartakeitYou know jaja in Ughanda when Amin was r@ping his country to pieces women like you ululated and were hoping to be next in bed with him, do you know what has that done to that country? after Zimbabwe, Malawi in SADC Ughanda produces most refugees, you go figure adn think about how long will SA withstand being perpetually r@ped by politicians supported by you
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you are hopping again???
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Jirre jaja I don't care what is passed as statistics by your corrupt regime in their poor attempts at hiding the failures, bottom line is that, I know women/girls who have lost their babies due to bad health conditions or non deliverance of this necessary services in the rural and townships, you should not assume you are talking to an armchair politician, I am very much in touch with what's going in SA/Africa and the world, I also know what some SAn gov schools who are sponsored by donors from the West, and yet the anc regime is not short in funds to throw a party.Report Abuse
somaartakeit
I am not hopping more than I am showing you how dangerously closely our situation is to that of Ughanda and other failed states of Africa, or do you measure high percentage of destitute as a success?Report Abuse
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@jjqUnfortunately I have no one else to compare with. Politics are based on comparisons, you compare one party to the other. Unfortunately all the parties we have had, have never promised nor delivered to the majority of SAns.
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how will you know if you prefer strawaberry or banana ice cream....... you have to try them both....its the only way....
if your nails are done badly at one place and you are not toatally happy....do you keep going back for more
NO, because Einstein observed "Its absolute insanity to keep doing the same thing expecting to get different results....."
I reacon its just high time that there is some real competition going here, so that when the one party is not performing well enough or clearly failing, we dont need to argue. just get another one in for a term or two....and then the next time they come back they will be completely focussed on what they are SUPPOSED to be doing..... kinda like giving a naughty child a hiding.....
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also you shld use SADC example I gave you to mirror SA, that way you can see for yourself that so called deliverance of service by this regime is a bloody mediocre, cause inspite what I said about Ughanda they have aids problem under control whilst here in SA in a country with most infrastructure in the sub Sahara are succumbing to it, did you know that foreign donors are forking out to charities supposedly supporting homes headed by children who themselves are victims of aids? Do you see why I believe that anc regime is incompetent that not only has condemned young ppl of SA into perpetual charity cases they further confirm general belief that African gov generate charity cases?Report Abuse
JajasQueen
@somaartakeitJirre jaja I don't care what is passed as statistics by your corrupt regime in their poor attempts at hiding the failures, bottom line is that, I know women/girls who have lost their babies due to bad health conditions or non deliverance of this necessary services in the rural and townships, you should not assume you are talking to an armchair politician, I am very much in touch with what's going in SA/Africa and the world, I also know what some SAn gov schools who are sponsored by donors from the West, and yet the anc regime is not short in funds to throw a party.
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how in the world wld Africa ever get respect from the world when we continue to fail, lead by ppl who have no ability/interest to advance our issues thus reducing us into world charity cases?Report Abuse
JajasQueen
@somaartakeitI am not hopping more than I am showing you how dangerously closely our situation is to that of Ughanda and other failed states of Africa, or do you measure high percentage of destitute as a success?
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This is SA and Ugandan dynamics will never apply here. Do you think the same Ugandan dynamics will apply in Greece....since they are corrupt as well?
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why don't you ask SAn foreign office, namely uGumbi who collected cheque from the UN abt 3yrs ago for such a charity to build roof for a gov school in the EC. and you know what I find most insulting about this, he was responsible to throw a party on the boat for the rich whilst he was on foreign mission.Report Abuse
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@mambaaaijjq 1.level that does not have the people protesting and burning tyres in the streets
2. where people and their children can walk around safely like in a normal country, and we dont have murder statistics that are higher than countries engaged in a full blown declared war
3.where there are many continuous widespread stories of large cases of corruption high up
where there are not reports of losses and misaproration of funds throughout the land 4. adequate levels of education so people can see and understand what hell is actually going on
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Is this proof of total non delivery or pockets of society who have problems with delivery? Big difference here.
It's a proof of a government failing to execute it's function to maintain a safe environment for her citizen, especially the poor and the previously disadvantaged people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@mambaaaiWhat are you saying...??
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somaartakeit
of course its already happening, others marry so they can be closer to the one controlling money in the tender preneuring example is the presidential spouses apparently his latest addition to the harem has been benefiting from tender in kzn, lol and she was given a job by an auditing firm, no doubt in return they expect to get business frm gov, its the same old shyte every time.Report Abuse
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JajasQueen@BaleliM
It is not a matter of having a good politician. it is a matter of having politicians that talk with action. I want to see results rather than talk whenever it is election time. The corruption in this country is way to high and absolutely so service delivery.
As for seeming like a clever gal, well i am not. Am actually an intelligent lady. I look at the open door as through that comes opportunity.
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Mmmhhhhhhhh??? Which politicians do you know who have ever talked action? Intelligent lady?
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what is the point of your argument? that because there has been no history of action in the making by Govt, this one must be excused?
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mambaaai
We are all safe, because the given driver for any party is to stay in power and the only way to do that is to deliver to the people..... simple .....straight....... and so regardless of the new party they will deliver to the majority of SAns its obvious.......At the moment we are seeing very BIG delivery to a very very very select few and survival is dependant on hanging in there tooth and nail......... with all sorts of appeals......Report Abuse
somaartakeit
so why must always divert stuff now you are bringing in Greece scenario which you have no clue about, either than saying they are corrupt, of course they are as corrupt as anc ministers, they were also tender preneuring during onlympic bid, but at least after the olympics there are huge developments in Athens, plus now they have to walk on a very tight and stringent rope set out by ethics comity of the EU, and are expected to service the EU bail out debt, but our AU what exactly have they achieved to reverser the culture of corruption and non service delivery in the continent?Report Abuse
somaartakeit
IF anything good can come out of this anc corruption regime, is that SAns are now vigilant the new regime will be kept on its toes, cause from our experience with the anc we are not going to be able to trust politicians to work on our interests, so there is some good out of this bad situation.Report Abuse
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@BaleliMMmmhhhhhhhh??? Which politicians do you know who have ever talked action? Intelligent lady?
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what is the point of your argument? that because there has been no history of action in the making by Govt, this one must be excused?
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You are an intelligent lady so you should know the point of this argument. So you are telling me that in your time you have never been exposed to a good politician, party or a good government?
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mambaaai
somertakeit 100% there the ANC will be on their case..........if they do corruption shite....and so it will be better for all SAnsReport Abuse
somaartakeit
btw jaja have you noticed surveys carried out across new agents incl this one that rating for anc regime are lower than 30% every time? what does this say about anc regime? and you shld not say to me that its only the ones who have access to i-net cause you know well that most of us have grass roots connections (relatives) as such their conditions which have not changed iro a better life for all will use their circumstances to reflect on effectiveness or lack thereof of this regime when casting our votes, I have no doubt in my mind that the anc will be nailed in the up coming elections, and it wld have fully deserved that.Report Abuse
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ooh btw jaja something for you to ponder on, have you noticed how in most cases there is just the 3 of you supporting this anc corruption here on Sowetan, mind you when I started blogging here there a lot anc followers, so instead of you being arrogantly denying that this regime is not delivering and is prone to being corrupt, why don't you tell us what are you as jaja doing against your corrupt colleagues, what are you doing to ensuring service delivery, cause denials and emotional blackmails by refering to SA's history 400yrs ago won't cut it this time.Report Abuse
mambaaai
All the failings in SA linked to this self serving crew........not doing their job...and have stopped caring because they have become too comfortableReport Abuse
JajasQueen
@somaartakeitso why must always divert stuff now you are bringing in Greece scenario which you have no clue about, either than saying they are corrupt, of course they are as corrupt as anc ministers, they were also tender preneuring during onlympic bid, but at least after the olympics there are huge developments in Athens, plus now they have to walk on a very tight and stringent rope set out by ethics comity of the EU, and are expected to service the EU bail out debt, but our AU what exactly have they achieved to reverser the culture of corruption and non service delivery in the continent?
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We've had huge developments after FIFA despite being misguided and ripped off too. So why are their achievements hailed and not ours? You will keep spreading lies about corruption - our government is one of the most uncorrupt in the Africa. Yes it does have a few rotten apples that need to be rooted out. But the ANC has my permanent vote till the SACP manages to find an exit point from their grave.
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@mambaaaiAll the failings in SA linked to this self serving crew........not doing their job...and have stopped caring because they have become too comfortable
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@Mambaai did they ever cared, and I mean really cared for issues affecting the masses? or they saw their being elected as a ticket to the trough? Cause if they had principles and morals they wldn't sell their souls so easy, and what is worse they are persecuting the PAC trying to suppress it from pointing out anc failures iro fre3dom charter, that's why some PAC politicians are still political prisoners to this day, cause were PAC active, anc wld not be grossly riding on the liberation struggle card for all its worth the PAC wld have put them straight, I am not even PAC supporter but I strongly believe that as our liberation struggle has now been hijacked and hte anc playing race card against the DA we are left with option PAC.Report Abuse
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@somaartakeitooh btw jaja something for you to ponder on, have you noticed how in most cases there is just the 3 of you supporting this anc corruption here on Sowetan, mind you when I started blogging here there a lot anc followers, so instead of you being arrogantly denying that this regime is not delivering and is prone to being corrupt, why don't you tell us what are you as jaja doing against your corrupt colleagues, what are you doing to ensuring service delivery, cause denials and emotional blackmails by refering to SA's history 400yrs ago won't cut it this time.
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All services due to communities are rendered....Sans require very diverse services and people have to be realistic on their expectations.....SAns are not realistic and neither are you. You think you can come here and fight your private ANC battles, think again!
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LoL 'we have huge development' of white elephants stadiums some of which can not be sustained, lol now jaja that's a hell of developed by your standards.Report Abuse
BaleliM
@ JJQ- barking with no teeth defeats the purpose. You can not have 101 people saying one thing and only you are going the other direction.Am not wasting my time with you. somaartakeit has been trying all day to make you see something or try and kick start something in you but nada.
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mambaaai
@somaartakeit I wonder why the great efforts against the PAC and the DA....maybe they see each of them as a threat ......Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@JajasQueen@somaartakeit
"All services due to communities are rendered...." Yeah, is that why another community (was it Diepsloot, can't remember) can not drink tap water for the past week or so?
"Sans require very diverse services and people have to be realistic on their expectations....." why are you telling this to a SAn who has famlies in the rural/township/suburban do you think I don't know what services we should expect from the gov, mcwim!!
"SAns are not realistic and neither are you" so you and the anc corrupt lards are the only ones realistic?
"You think you can come here and fight your private ANC battles, think again!" Now tell me about these private anc battles I am fighting here, cause inasfaras me and the anc it is a political organisation with no personal relations to me, so how did the fight become private?
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@mambaaai@somaartakeit I wonder why the great efforts against the PAC and the DA....maybe they see each of them as a threat ......
DA is guilty to them for exposing corrupt and hauling hte president to court for bad decisions he made which wld have affected effective running of the country.
well if PAC was here do you think the anc wld be lying about liberation struggle contributions?
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suppose the DA as the opposition party ends up looking bad becasue they have to blow the whistle.....if they had the platform....I suppose they could explain that Cape Town was voted by Yahoo on line travel survey as the Destination of choice in the WORLD
and a few other accolates associated with the leadership
wonder how these guys would perform if they had the chance to do for the whole country
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Sinudeity
JajasQueen - "I am sure you will give examples?"How about the 1.5 million ECape kids who havent gotten their textbooks yet? You know, the other article you refuse to comment on today :P
PS, average life expectency was HIGHER during apartheid. People are receiving less quality healthcare now, then what they were during apartheid (black and white).
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BaleliM@ JJQ- barking with no teeth defeats the purpose. You can not have 101 people saying one thing and only you are going the other direction.
Am not wasting my time with you. somaartakeit has been trying all day to make you see something or try and kick start something in you but nada.
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101 just means all the fools are on one side...
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the DA is further guilty to zoomer in particular for demanding review of armsdeal case, but to me they are doing a fine job for exposing this corruption and in my opinion the DA are but the ONLY political party btwn complete demolishing our values and everything we gained to date and the anc self serving, imagine if there were not DA to act as a national guard against corruption, can you believe the anc is now resorting to put a ban on freedom of press cause were it for the relentless of some journos like the guys of Amabhungane (investigative journos) and other columnist like Mo-Afrika and them we all wld have been non the wiser on the level of corruption going in the anc,Report Abuse
JajasQueen
@somaartakeitLoL 'we have huge development' of white elephants stadiums some of which can not be sustained, lol now jaja that's a hell of developed by your standards.
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Yeah unfortunately we we skrewd by FIFA's promises, like I said. But never again!
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@somaartakeitcause inasfaras me and the anc it is a political organisation with no personal relations to me, so how did the fight become private?
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and how was it so easy to be screwed? is it cause the ppl who were tasked to work on our interests allowed themselves to be seduced by Blatter and co or they were just plain stupid comprising our interests and willing to sell us out to the first possible exploiter, just like they sold slaves to the slavemasters?Report Abuse
somaartakeit
@JajasQueen@somaartakeit
cause inasfaras me and the anc it is a political organisation with no personal relations to me, so how did the fight become private?
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Good to hear that...
---------------------------------Not so fast pliz elaborate on your attempt at discredit my views on the anc by perpetuating the myth that mine to them is a private matter, pliz elaborate, cause I have said this here time and time again, I am not in a BEE/AA or anything from the anc, all that I have bcome is down to m y own hard work and commitment to my personal development, on the way I came across ppl who saw potential in me and helped me, I worked less than 5yrs for the regime, so how the f@ck according to you that my issues with them are private?
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@somaartakeitDA is guilty to them for exposing corrupt and hauling hte president to court for bad decisions he made which wld have affected effective running of the country.
well if PAC was here do you think the anc wld be lying about liberation struggle contributions?
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DA is guilty of so many things...racism...false allegations of corruption...insulting bl @cks...segregation....dictatorship....lies....espionage....yho! the list is endless.
PAC is in the same grave that my SACP is in...dead
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and those that helped me were not anc or da affiliated they were private individuals who appreciated that a girl like me with humble begining did not allow herself be bowled over by circumstances but soldiered on when m ost wld have thrown in a towel, now I want you to elaborate cause you jaja know nothing about me (personally) to arrogantly declare that I am fighting private battles with the anc, I cld chose to keep quite and get on with enjoying what I have, but my conscience won't allow me, cause when I drive to the township I am faced first hand with plight of our ppl, do you know jaja of my closet friends I grew up with, I lost about 8 to aids, and others are just mere drivers for the ministers? and I am talking here about graduates, you know how hard it is in teh EC for ppl to get jobs esp if you are not politically connected,Report Abuse
JajasQueen
@somaartakeitso how the f@ck according to you that my issues with them are private?
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@jjq"DA is guilty of so many things...racism...false allegations of corruption...insulting bl @cks...segregation....dictatorship....lies....espionage....yho! the list is endless.
PAC is in the same grave that my SACP is in...dead "
suppose you can supply examples and proof???????????????????
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@JajasQueen@somaartakeit
"DA is guilty of so many things...racism..." racism is it the ONLY card you can play against the DA?
"false allegations of corruption..." LOL yoo Sin over to you! lol
"insulting bl @cks...segregation....dictatorship....lies....espionage....yho! the list is endless" and the anc has not taken the DA to Equality Court because....? you are just a desperate anc liar who always cling onto race card to shield yourself frm taking responsibility of supporting corrupt regime.
"PAC is in the same grave that my SACP is in...dead" you mean the SACP (blade) has become chief capitalist? and SACP's youth wing is fighting capitalists interests?
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JajasQueen@somaartakeit
so how the f@ck according to you that my issues with them are private?
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Personal insults normally reveal a very personal relationship. has it occur to you that I maybe insulting due to having lack respect for the anc, as a direct result of them being corrupt and arrogant about it? And that they sold us out, otherwise how do you expl that most them leaders are multi millionaires and billionaires in such a short space fo time in power?
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@somaarcause when I drive to the township I am faced first hand with plight of our ppl, do you know jaja of my closet friends I grew up with, I lost about 8 to aids, and others are just mere drivers for the ministers? and I am talking here about graduates, you know how hard it is in teh EC for ppl to get jobs esp if you are not politically connected,
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All of us have very sad and personal stories to tell. I know how hard the politics of the ECape are. And that place is very close and very dear to me cause I can trace my ancestory through there. No one can force you to vote ANC or DA. But personally as a black woman who has been through the system I have found a lot that me and community can benefit from in ANC policies. My party the SACP is dead and I have made an alliance with the ANC cause they are the only party who will and has delivered to our people.
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@somaartakeitPersonal insults normally reveal a very personal relationship. has it occur to you that I maybe insulting due to having lack respect for the anc, as a direct result of them being corrupt and arrogant about it? And that they sold us out, otherwise how do you expl that most them leaders are multi millionaires and billionaires in such a short space fo time in power?
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I know for a fact that its not only ANC who have benefitted from the empowerment programmes in SA. There are a lot of players in big business who have beneffited, you have benefitted and so have millions of SAns. Not all of us would be rich, but we will all have many empowering benefits to our disposal.
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@jaja I am not expecting that everyone in SA is rich, but I expect is that everyone in SA has access to the basic necessities such as health, education, shelter and by now the anc shld have been close achieving almost 50% access to these by all citizens, into nje endiyibonayo i anc ilahlela abantu bakuthi emathuneni, hence that guy and many others like him dwelling in the grave yard, jaja do you not think that if the anc was running this country with a fraction of decency, they'd have more support than critics? do you not think that if it did just that (deliver basic services) you wldn't be needing to defending their serial record of failures?As for your last para, I don't believe that, cause if anc regime was interested in empowerment projects they wldnt' have closed down some of our best teachers/nurses training collegues, consequences of such resutlign in SAn children ONLY being required to have 30% pass rate a practice which serves to devalue SAn qualifications, I ask how will these kids ever make something of themselves in the global stage? did you see qualifications of the Nigerian woman who was contesting for a top job at World Bank? do you think in SA we have a chance of producing that kind of skill? taking 30% in account in your response pliz.
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Sinudeity
"DA is guilty of so many things...racism...false allegations of corruption...insulting bl @cks...segregation....dictatorship....lies....espionage....yho! the list is endless."Let me put this to you in your own terms...
Proof please :P
And if you cant prove it, then STFU.
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mambaaai@jjq
"DA is guilty of so many things...racism...false allegations of corruption...insulting bl @cks...segregation....dictatorship....lies....espionage....yho! the list is endless.
PAC is in the same grave that my SACP is in...dead "
suppose you can supply examples and proof???????????????????
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Proof of the fact that the PAC and SACP are dead?
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@jjq to add to somaartakeit look at the recent e toll and tag fiasco if empoyerment was high on the agenda why wasnt a local company empowered to do it.... for example Im sure Denel could have would have easily done this and security and vehicle monitoring could be seen to fit withing their portfolio.....but they were too worried about their own pockets.....and we live in the world where in fact our minority brothers are in fact a big percentage out there and are still an econmic majority
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@somaartakeit@jaja I am not expecting that everyone in SA is rich, but I expect is that everyone in SA has access to the basic necessities such as health, education, shelter and by now the anc shld have been close achieving almost 50% access to these by all citizens, into nje endiyibonayo i anc ilahlela abantu bakuthi emathuneni, hence that guy and many others like him dwelling in the grave yard, jaja do you not think that if the anc was running this country with a fraction of decency, they'd have more support than critics? do you not think that if it did just that (deliver basic services) you wldn't be needing to defending their serial record of failures?
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Ha ah man somaar la ndoda iphambhene...you can't use him as an example. All our people are recepients of all the services due to them...all infants are immunised.....all school going children are in school.....all pregnant and sick are receiving health care. No one is without electricity and water in this country.
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JajasQueen - Hehe, you call 1.5 million kids without textbooks delivery? Please Jaja, please. You are lying to yourself. You are lying to everyone here.Report Abuse
JajasQueen
@somaartakeit@jaja I am not expecting that everyone in SA is rich, but I expect is that everyone in SA has access As for your last para, I don't believe that, cause if anc regime was interested in empowerment projects they wldnt' have closed down some of our best teachers/nurses training collegues, consequences of such resutlign in SAn children ONLY being required to have 30% pass rate a practice which serves to devalue SAn qualifications, I ask how will these kids ever make something of themselves in the global stage? did you see qualifications of the Nigerian woman who was contesting for a top job at World Bank? do you think in SA we have a chance of producing that kind of skill? taking 30% in account in your response pliz.
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JajasQueen - "All our people are recepients of all the services due to them...all infants are immunised.....all school going children are in school.....all pregnant and sick are receiving health care. No one is without electricity and water in this country."Hehehe, your ignorance is shining here. No, most school going children arent in schools. Most of them drop out before matric. Pregnant and sick are not receiving healthcare. A family recently sued the health department, for crippling their baby boy during birth. Lots of people are without water, lots of people are without electricity. You need to get out abit more jaja.
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mambaaai
@JJQNo one is without electricity and water in this country.
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ummmmmmmmmmmm prove it!
Oh and I suppose we all have enclosed toilets too .......flushed with poatable water..........
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@JJQ and you gonna tell us this has all exceeded our expectationsReport Abuse
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@mambaaaiNo one is without electricity and water in this country.
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ummmmmmmmmmmm prove it!
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Has someone come to you complaining they do not have electricity?
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JajasQueen
mambaaai@JJQ and you gonna tell us this has all exceeded our expectations
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The ANC has exceeded mine and millions of SAns....on a personal level what do you need to be done still?
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JajasQueen - Nah, the ANC exceeded YOUR expecations. Millions of people feel that the ANC has failed them. Millions of people. If you want an example, I can give you the figure of 18 million unemployed.Report Abuse
mambaaai
Im not the government so they wouldnt.............. buut I have seen people in the streetsvery very angry....we have all seen country wide black outs......and our minority brothers never had or caused such rubbish....and all the electrification is a little extension of what they initially did ....
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well we know your expectations were set very very low for your own reasons.....others around you use the real world as a bench mark and what the minority brothers had a bench mark.....and we want the same....not an open toilet and dirty water from a tap over there.......
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@mambaaaiIm not the government so they wouldnt.............. buut I have seen people in the streetsvery very angry....we have all seen country wide black outs......
and our minority brothers never had or caused such rubbish....and all the electrification is a little extension of what they initially did ....
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You seem to be talking about other people's needs. What about you? Don't you need anything?
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@mambaaaiwell we know your expectations were set very very low for your own reasons.....others around you use the real world as a bench mark and what the minority brothers had a bench mark.....and we want the same....
not an open toilet and dirty water from a tap over there.......
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Around the world??? So which country is the bench mark?
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somaartakeit@Rothschilds you said it ma man, that Hannekom is there for minority rights not the rights of ALL SAns who voted the party who gave him such a priviledge to start off with, and jaja here expect us to take anc serious?
out of curiosity may I ask how is it that rights of minority are threatened when we speak abt land reform? I was also of the impression that all SAns rights are protected under the constitution, but today you taught me something new, hehehe
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The ANC is thinking of changing the property clause in the constitution. Based on easy-way-out politics that is a short-term solution.
For example, Mugabe's land reform program won ZANU PF one election, until the economy went down the tube, caused mass starvation & exodus to neighboring countries. This lead to ZANU PF losing majority votes to the MDC in the following 2008, and now the MDC are expected to have a land-slide victory in next years national election. A fast tracked land reform program would only solve the ANC's problems in the short-run, but will cost them, possibly even absolute power in the medium and long runs because of the backfiring economics that comes with revolutions that are not sustainable.
Hanekom sees through the land rhetoric the harsh reality should we chose the wrong path of Zimbabwe.
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JajasQueen - "Around the world??? So which country is the bench mark?"If there was a country who's political system I wish we mimicked, it would be Swedens. And their education, healthcare, delivery etc.
Which country are you comparing South Africa too? Im assuming Zimbabwe?
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mambaaai
@jjQ need a better lifestyle in my community for me and my family ...... for the money I pay in taxes....not going off into some fatcat pocket....Report Abuse
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mambaaai
@JJQ and..... propaganda from fatcats who is full promises......and no delivery.....Report Abuse
mambaaai
@JJQ I need people who run a country properly and dont sell b u l ll sh!t stories that people with big fat blinkers on who just believe propaganda....when there is too much evidence as to WHY the goodies are not forthcomingReport Abuse
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mambaaai@jjQ need a better lifestyle in my community for me and my family ...... for the money I pay in taxes....not going off into some fatcat pocket....
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What is a better lifestyle, be clear in your needs! You want a better house? A new car?
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mambaaai@JJQ and..... propaganda from fatcats who is full promises......and no delivery.....
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What do you want delivered?
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@mambaaai@JJQ I need people who run a country properly and dont sell b u l ll sh!t stories that people with big fat blinkers on who just believe propaganda....when there is too much evidence as to WHY the goodies are not forthcoming
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So on a personal level you have running water, electricity, health care, access to housing? The only thing you do not want is b ull s hit stories? Well to put you at ease...all politicians are full of those!
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@JJQ contious electricity for onea safe environment to live in for two, normal in a countries in the 21st century
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@mambaaaiJJQ contious electricity for one
a safe environment to live in for two, normal in a countries in the 21st century
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Are you not safe in your living evironment? I dont understand what you mean about 21st century....what?...
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mambaaai
jjq your paradigms are 500 years ago thats why your expectations have been exceeded.......... in which case the minority brothers are heroes because at that time they brought us the idea of running warter , education, toilets, clean water, continuous electricity, roads, medical sciences and sytems, cars education houses other than grass kaya etc etcReport Abuse
JajasQueen
@mambaaaijjq your paradigms are 500 years ago thats why your expectations have been exceeded.......... in which case the minority brothers are heroes because at that time they brought us the idea of running warter , education, toilets, clean water, continuous electricity, roads, medical sciences and sytems, cars education houses other than grass kaya etc etc
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My personal paradigms? You reckon...I have very low ones. What should I be opting for? Since electricity, education ....the basics being delivered by the ANC are not enough to aspire for. What should I be aspiring for?
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The-Rothschilds
JajaQueen -> you sound like a female version of Irvin Jim.Report Abuse
mambaaai
@jjq similar comments going on here like that white tribe used to say ....everyone has voting rights just got to go to our homelands....Report Abuse
Wordoftruth
The B!ack Lawyers Society better not keep quiet on this. Ukushishimbiswa kwabameli yinto esayilwela ngezinkathi zeApartheid and it should not be allowed in a new democracy.Report Abuse
jonazzjon
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