Pointman

Tragic. Some parents use their kids to get at each other and it is not the right thing to do. Luckily extreme reactions like this are rare. Poor kids RIP.
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PhiriMapetla1

I condem what the man did but you sowetan must never called the guy a jelouse husband. I mean one can behave strangely when facing such situation.

That's why i can never get married.
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Lindrish

Its funny that man don't want to be cheated at, whereas they are the biggest cheaters ever. May the Kids souls rest in peace and you stupid man burn in hell.
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Gandokazi

Shame man may their souls rest in peace, men are not as strong as i think hey my ex cheated on me more than 20 times but not a single day did i think about killing myself but when i returned the favor he couldnt take it he tried to commit suicide by drinking ratex.
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Sekaku

Batho ba jola ban, Mme o mokana o nale nyatsi. Sis. R.I.P
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Dinamanama

Prayers and counselling didnt work,he should have just divorce this thing.@Phirimapetla i agree with you,never get married(ba tlo go jela)
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Magezi59

Why involve the kids?????????????????
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Ophezulu

So sad ,ayikho indoda efuna ukufetshelwa, If I was him I was gonna k.ill the woman and not my kids,how does one stop seeing your kids as your own ?
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Noir19

Now the kids are gone ka bofebe......ja basadi!
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tpaz

Serves the wif.e right, cheating ba.stard . Will forever live with a guilty conscience of 'killing' her kids for the love of d.ick.
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MorenaWaPolelo

Mara basadi batswana le pipii bona bjanong bana ba fela!!!
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BadBoy88

We live in a time where a man cannot simply walk away from their cheating spouse but resorts to killing his innocent children as a way of punishing their mother. Sick indeed. Why do some people think that they cannot live without others? The moment we begin to love ourselves more than we do other people, is when we will realize that nobody is worth killing yourself and innocent kids over.
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SeshegoGuY

Hmmm... On Valentine's day! how sad that the kids are involved


Lets Not condone/justify what happened people, imagine if it was one of ur family members
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BaleliM

Men, your w.fe is not your possession but a help mate and marriage is not a contract but a convenant.
Women, marriage is all about communication. If a man no longer do it for you, leave rather than cheat.

It is indeed sad that we live in times where so many kids are being k.lled because their fathers are upset with their mother.
Am yet to hear a woman k.ll her kids because the man was cheating and yet this happens more often than not.
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GO-GETTA

naare ga nosadi fela o nyetsweng a hlola a siane fo morago ga dipolo tsa banna ba bang a na le monna ...ebe eleng..sies ga ana mahlone legona mo ntlong ya monna o mong....shem bana ba modimo,,,kore dis man ga batla bana bage ba sala ba sotlega wen he liv....yerr ene monna fela o humileng ka dikgomo
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MommaC

Look at those beautiful little faces and tell me how anyone could hurt them so badly.

Some men should just grow a pair.
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imthegreatest

@Bloggers
almost every one here(if not all) struggle with this demon of ubofebe, pls let us not try to act holy here.
it was stupi for the lady to sleep with another man on her husband's bed and even worse for the man to do what he did. last a man in the same northwest did the same now again this. tswana men!
R.I.P
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tintan

Sowetan, I am not TINTAN PLEASE

This is sad. God help us all. Two wrongs do not make a right. Why must the poor kids suffer? The man had a choice but he chose to take his own life and those of the two innocent kids, as a result of her betrayal. Suicide is selfish, the sooner we understand that the better.

The are two sides to any story, I wish and pray that God grants the woman strength to carry on inspite of her terrible loss and that she will learn from her mistake. "He who is without sin must cast the first stone."

0408
Makhosini
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Ann

the young boy was attending creche with my son, he was so sweet and full of life, shame may their souls rest in peace
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SeshegoGuY

@Baleli

Come on now, this is no time for Men-bashing. This incident is very tragic and whether its a man or woman (Lets not pull out Stats) deserves to be condemned for what it is.

We really don't know the full story and i just wished they could have found other ways to resolve the issues in their marriage
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GO-GETTA

o bona fela ka leina lage...leina bobe-seromo..."INEELENG'' ba lekile ka baruti le ka counceling o padile monna o bile a inela ka go tsaya bophelo bage le bana...let d inocents souls rest in peace

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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe

@Boitumelo Tshehle

A JEALOUS husband set alight his two children and himself, after allegedly finding his wiife in bed with another man.
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Is this guy jealous whn his wiife cheated on him,what he did is not acceptable but what is written here is totally sh*t?
You wrote bull kak,bull sh*t on valentine's day.


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Dames

@ BaleliM
Men, your w.fe is not your possession but a help mate and marriage is not a contract but a convenant.
Women, marriage is all about communication. If a man no longer do it for you, leave rather than cheat.

It is indeed sad that we live in times where so many kids are being k.lled because their fathers are upset with their mother.
Am yet to hear a woman k.ll her kids because the man was cheating and yet this happens more often than not.
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I think you comments are biased, women throw kids into bins and some abort because of men, and women are the one who choose an easy way of cheating instead of walking away, men cheat for the fun of it not because things are not going well while women will rather keep quiet and cheat instead of sorting out relationship problems.
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MORNACHIES

I think the problem or mistake is when he decided to take the lives of the yound one's .
He should have taken the useless life of that bitch aka MAGO.SHA finish and klaar !!
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MGEEZ

What a wasted life!!! No human being is responsible for your life and happiness. Whan you wake up to this fact you will realise that killing yourself is just not worth it!!! However killing your children is beyond cruelty, is plain wickedness!!!
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JUBJUB

Just dont involve children ka nonsense ya lona...
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MorenaWaPolelo

@imthegreatest
Bua ntate!!!

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KUKU

Many0isto rule the World....
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manga2

What does the Sowetan implies by calling the deceased 'A JEALOUS HUSBAND'. Was this the only appropriate adjective available to describe this man?
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Almy

I'll never understand why kids are made to pay for their selfish parents' behaviour....sies man!
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MGEEZ

@Ophezulu
So sad ,ayikho indoda efuna ukufetshelwa, If I was him I was gonna k.ill the woman and not my kids,how does one stop seeing your kids as your own ?
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And what exactly do you think you would have achieved by killing someone else!!! You see; when a person cheats, it is always a symptom that something is wrong and that is not the root cause of the problem!!!
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Eraser

@Pointman
Tragic. Some parents use their kids to get at each other and it is not the right thing to do. Luckily extreme reactions like this are rare. Poor kids RIP.
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true hey its bul wht dey doing..
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MommaC

Dames

Women normally cheat because of insecurity. Most women that I know who have cheated have felt unloved and unlovely. Normally because they caught their men cheating and started questioning their own worth. Then a guy comes along who shows them a bit of appreciation and .......
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Csunder

Mr/Mrs/Ms who wrote this article how can a man be jealous of his spouse worse after finding her in bed with another man? This is too bias please don't print or upload crap like this where you gonna take sides. yes the man dd wrong but we should not be bias as the woman was also wrong. We don't know what was going on his head when he did this but we know that a husband cannot be jealous of finding his spouse (not girlfriend or makhwapheni) in bed with another man.
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Nwanawamukalaha

That's how bit*ches of these world behaves lately. Every opportunity they get, they resort to dic*k massage. Now the brother and the boys are gone barbaricly because of her.
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MGEEZ

@0408
The are two sides to any story, I wish and pray that God grants the woman strength to carry on inspite of her terrible loss and that she will learn from her mistake. "He who is without sin must cast the first stone."
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He who is without a sin must cast the first stone???? How is that relevant to the story????


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Nwanawamukalaha

Csunder
Mr/Mrs/Ms who wrote this article how can a man be jealous of his spouse worse after finding her in bed with another man? This is too bias please don't print or upload crap like this where you gonna take sides. yes the man dd wrong but we should not be bias as the woman was also wrong. We don't know what was going on his head when he did this but we know that a husband cannot be jealous of finding his spouse (not girlfriend or makhwapheni) in bed with another man.
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You are neither in a relationship nor married. Would you laugh if you find your woman naked win bed hlokolozing with another man?
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SeshegoGuY

@Momma

U r also being biased. When will Women stop blaming Men for EVERYTHING, yes we are not perfect but come on now.... EVERYTHING!!

People must learn to take responsibility for their own failures
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Ruudboy

Tragic, I dnt knw Y he couldnt leave de woman & move on. I blame da dude here
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DoughieLove121

ja ja ja.... i imagine ba moja ka Doughie.... e e e er what is wrong ka basadi mara he...
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BaleliM

SeshegoGuY
@Baleli

Come on now, this is no time for Men-bashing. This incident is very tragic and whether its a man or woman (Lets not pull out Stats) deserves to be condemned for what it is.

We really don't know the full story and i just wished they could have found other ways to resolve the issues in their marriage
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am not man bashing. i just feel that in men trying to be strong and act like men who do not break down and fail to seek help is the reason why so many are k.lling kids. I do not want to do stats either but seriously, we read about this every week and the victims here are the kids who have nothing to do with the fights parents have.
Seek help whether you are a woman or man.
you can not have a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
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MRPRESIDENT11

Ha re kotaneng feela,ntho ena ya marriage ha e spane straight
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Voltaire

@moderato...u are full of bs....since when ho bolaya in english has been abusive...u full of kak
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tintan

@MGEEZ
We cannot blame the woman for the death of the husband and the children.
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Hangwelani

Your comment has been rejected because it contains language we consider to be vulgar, discriminatory, obscene or abusive. The following words were flagged by the moderator:
ki.ll

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Mr. Sowetan Moderator wee, since when is the word ki.ll vulgar???

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BrapatakaJujuman

sowetan at its worst,how do u call the guy JEALOUS, from what, there is a thing called a split second decision when u are in such a situation.
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MommaC

SeshegoGuY

never said it was right or that people should not take responsibility for their own failures. I'm not even blaming men for anything. If anything, a woman is responsible for her own self worth and is just stupid to pin her entire identity to her desirability. I'm just telling you what I have witnessed over the years.

Women are very different from men. Our sexuality is tied to our emotions, not to our eyes
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Voltaire

nna i will never end my life for lehure la sefebe....life is a precious gift...at least if you lay your for someone who loves you..not for someone who disregard your fellings and take advantage of your love....if this guy wanted to die he should have ended hiis life and not involve the poor kids...
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Mangoz

I said it yesterday that it's woman, not anything else, just a woman, but some clever fuc*kers who commented on my comment opposing me. Now u have proof u st*upid kakaz, u must learn that some circumstances are rational and most adversely affected by emotions,
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BaleliM

@ Dames
I think you comments are biased, women throw kids into bins and some abort because of men, and women are the one who choose an easy way of cheating instead of walking away, men cheat for the fun of it not because things are not going well while women will rather keep quiet and cheat instead of sorting out relationship problems.
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am not being biased. what is a role of a man in a home. am i wrong in saying that the man is the one that protects and provides for the family whilst the woman natures? why then does the head of the house k.ll innocent kids?
and then, a man cheats for the fun of it you say? Does the hurt feelings of the w.fe know that it was just fun and not anything serious or does she hurt in as much as the man would hurt?
Am not condoning cheating am merely stating that both men and women should know that their role is when they commit to happily never after.
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MommaC

Women normally cheat because of insecurity. Most women that I know who have cheated have felt unloved and unlovely. Normally because they caught their men cheating and started questioning their own worth. Then a guy comes along who shows them a bit of appreciation and .......

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Ahh but of course....we can always justify Women cheating can't we?

When men cheat, = "ahh he is just a Dog"
When women cheat, = Open a Psychology Book and find the fanciest term that will paint HER "a victim", even better make HIS fault.
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Luv2kiss

BOITUMELO TSHEHLE writes " A JEALOUS husband "
kwaaaaaa, so this man is jealous according to you, are you a male or female wena boitumelo ?
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MommaC

imbabazane

Read my second comment in reply to SeshegoGuY.
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BrapatakaJujuman

Dames
@ BaleliM
Men, your w.fe is not your possession but a help mate and marriage is not a contract but a convenant.
Women, marriage is all about communication. If a man no longer do it for you, leave rather than cheat.

It is indeed sad that we live in times where so many kids are being k.lled because their fathers are upset with their mother.
Am yet to hear a woman k.ll her kids because the man was cheating and yet this happens more often than not.
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I think you comments are biased, women throw kids into bins and some abort because of men, and women are the one who choose an easy way of cheating instead of walking away, men cheat for the fun of it not because things are not going well while women will rather keep quiet and cheat instead of sorting out relationship problems
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Halleluah true that
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takoskonvict

this f.ucker is a coward, he should have k.illed the cheating b.itch and the boyfriend the moment he found them bonking, now he k.illed his sons because of these two loosers?.


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Hangwelani

This stupid useless excuse of a human being should just have taken his life and leave the kids out of this. So what if you found your wi.fe in bed with another man, how many times did you cheat on her, did she ki.ll herself and the kids, NO, instead she returned the favour.

Men if you dont want your women to cheat on you, dont cheat on your women. Do unto others what you would like done to you, its that simple.
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imbabazane

MommaC

Okay, fair enough....but still, this pigion holing of Men's VS Women's Sexuality is probably loosing its relevance, In my experience there is a growing number of women who are "doing it" just for the Sex.
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MGEEZ

0408
@MGEEZ
We cannot blame the woman for the death of the husband and the children.
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Ofcourse we can!!!! The men did not wake up and torch his kids for no reason!!!
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LESKOPRESKO

The guy was not jealous he was hurt, nd when U r caught in such a situation U don't apply UR mind, the only thing that U think of of ke go bolaya nd then guy thought he was doing the right thing by taking the lifes of his loved ones nd his own life, i don't condone what he did but just imagine if it was U o bona motho wa gago a jewa goed one otlo dirang (those 2 bustards are lucky ba bangwe banna babolaya zonke)

May their souls rest in peace, Okare monna a hlantsha ke a phone call what about go jelwa......Ja basadi babangwe ...............but not all of them are like that.

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Nwanawamukalaha

Tseramisiamelo yo vhulaisa vhana...............
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MommaC

imbabazane

I can only comment regarding my personal observations over the years. If that is changing then it isn't something I have seen as yet.
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SeshegoGuY

@Momma

"........and is just stupid to pin her entire identity to her desirability"

But this is whats happening with so many of our Women (I have also witnessed that over the years) to the point where they do not even know "who they really are". Popular culture has altered the way relationships function and as a result what u have with someone is defined by Society (Picket fences & all that crap)

@BaleliM

Men are weak emotionally (Thats why its not easy for Men to forgive when cheated on) and worse part is that we bottle up our emotions and that can create a huge problem considering how needy some women can be (Which is not a problem). I believe they were just not compatible emotionally and i just feel very sad for the poor kids
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MGEEZ

Csunder
Mr/Mrs/Ms who wrote this article how can a man be jealous of his spouse worse after finding her in bed with another man? This is too bias please don't print or upload crap like this where you gonna take sides. yes the man dd wrong but we should not be bias as the woman was also wrong. We don't know what was going on his head when he did this but we know that a husband cannot be jealous of finding his spouse (not girlfriend or makhwapheni) in bed with another man.
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What would you rather Sowetan wrote?? A loving husband????
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tintan

MGEEZ
We should be all responsible as well as accountable for our own actions. Let us not use circumstances as our defence. If the husband did not die, he was going to be charged for murder and even if he used the extenuating factor that he found the madam, in bed with another man, it will not save him from going to jail. The bottom line, he had a choice to walk away.
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Mzalaz

Eish...some man so stupido man! Why killing thos cute 2 boys, if their mama cheated so why killing the kids instead of killing himself (father) if he cant deal with the problem properly.

We don't know why they had so many problems in 2 years of marriage..., maybe HIM also had an affair but man seem to think they have a right to cheat on their wives jus bcoz they are man, but when women do the same, it's so bad and they jump to DIVORCE OR K**LING.

Lets vote...How many women that stays in their marriages even when knowing that the husband has an affair??

Women stays for the kids etc but man;... They go mad nx, ayaphapha amadoda asemzansi nx.

Best thing to do : NEVER GET MARRIED. Finish!
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BaleliM

I have a fridge magnet that is hilarious.

"baby i did not say it was your fault, i just said i was going to blame you".

These are the games that men and women play every single day. Two wrongs will never make a right and revenge will never have long term happiness.
You can not deal with what you will not comfront.
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Jaja'sQueen

People must just stop wanting to die in the company of others, it's nasty. If one has had it with life, they must do the honourable thing, lock themselves alone somewhere and get it over and done with. These dramatic exits are too upseting for everyone.
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life1703

Morning all,
What a sad story so early in the morning. However, why did my brother take the innocent lives away?He could have just left the woman as she found it fit, to give her husband's piece of cake to a stranger.This man could have just divorced and undergone counselling processes, including anger management and later continue with his own and children's life.Anyway, we differ in characters and thoughts.
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SeshegoGuY

Its programmed into us from a very young age. The whole fairytale of the beautiful princess and the ugly stepsisters gets pumped up with the magazines and the music videos. By the time most girls get to puberty they are firmly indoctrinated with the need to be 'beautiful'. There is also this stupid idea that gets pushed on us by society that a woman has to have a man or she is somehow a 'failure'. Terribly superficial and a recipe for sadness
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SeshegoGuY

@BaleliM

I just feel ur comments are too personal, somehow btwn the lines there are some small doses of man-bashing. Tell me if im wrong but u must understand that some people enter in to relationships for all the wrong reasons------ Love Urself first and then spread that love.....
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LESKOPRESKO

MRPRESIDENT11
Ha re kotaneng feela,ntho ena ya marriage ha e spane straight
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Wena wa bheda fela, in life U must have someone U can trust nd call her Mma go sebanebane, anyone can tell gore wena o skhotheni or one of those guys ba emelang mama go bowa mmerekong batle ba mogopele chelete ya duzu or borotho.U DON'T HAVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY.
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rasefatee

Caught wifex in bed with another man
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another reason not to celebrate valentine day
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Asinamali

guys lets be strong,if a woman or men is cheating don't take your life or her life away,there is nothing wrong to stay alone,look at those two handsome kids,they are gone now.guys we can make the plans but we cant control the outcomes,if not working don't take your life or somebody life
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sexy!!!!!ahahahahah

Happy valentine blogers.
This is a very sad story indeed.To all the man, when you love someone always leave room for disappointment and never make a decision when you are too angry.
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SeshegoGuY

@MommaC

100% agree!! ...and some of these women, when they don't feel that "I am Beautiful" with whoever they are with move on to the next charming guy (In our time charm is Rich)

With Men its also the same thing (BaleliM said Men must be the Protecter & provider to the family)--- and that can only mean a huge mansion and all the nice things Money can buy (Popular culture). With that in mind a man will think that he has failed if he finds a women cheating, Ego and Pride is the driver of the environment/society we find ourselves in.

EXPECTATIONS has placed a huge burden (Emotionally and otherwise) on our society
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BaleliM

SeshegoGuY
@BaleliM

I just feel ur comments are too personal, somehow btwn the lines there are some small doses of man-bashing. Tell me if im wrong but u must understand that some people enter in to relationships for all the wrong reasons------ Love Urself first and then spread that love.....
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I lost a friend who got married a v.rgin and 6 months after marriage she went for a routine check up as she was expecting and she did not only have std but the virus. instead of the man dealing with the issue, he shot her and shot himself.
so to answer your question, am not man bashing but merely stating that men need someone to talk to and deal with their emotions.
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dubai

This is crazy, why not file for divorce and leave innocent souls alone. Those two boys were cute.
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momopat

Daily Sun material.......
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Thulz

Stupid man, defeated in love!!
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Rakgadi-Tabeya

Shame man! Eish this is sad mara lefatshe le le jwang bathong???? Banna ha ba leka go nna faithful then go simolla basadi eish mara they've learnt from the best.

Bana ba Modimo ba senang molato - ithoballeng ka khotso kiddies
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LESKOPRESKO

Basadi ba bangwe ba nale sebete ebile o yena onale letshwafu, how can U sleep le madakweni mpetong wa monna wa gago? jeeeerrrr basadi ba bangwe maann le metogo.they were supposed to go ESGANGENI or rented a place mo ba ka se boneng ke monna o, obviously basadi bajewa mara ba iphithla.
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Danielrjvv

Well this is weird? I always found it a tad disturbing how parents take their children with them. Why not give them a fighting chance at life? Very selfish. Why not confront the wive or just leave her. Is this common place under the people of the area? Self immolation?
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Charriii

Poor kids I can just imagine the pain they went through seeing their father killing them like that
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cheeseballs

This dude was selfish. Why the kids? He should've taken isfebe and left the poor kids alone. Nxa best *Believe Dat*
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TDK

Common guys. Let's stop these senseless killing of our families let alone innocent kids. Just leave her if she is unfaithful to her. BE A MAN ENOUGH.
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BaleliM

SeshegoGuY
@MommaC

100% agree!! ...and some of these women, when they don't feel that "I am Beautiful" with whoever they are with move on to the next charming guy (In our time charm is Rich)

With Men its also the same thing (BaleliM said Men must be the Protecter & provider to the family)--- and that can only mean a huge mansion and all the nice things Money can buy (Popular culture). With that in mind a man will think that he has failed if he finds a women cheating, Ego and Pride is the driver of the environment/society we find ourselves in.

EXPECTATIONS has placed a huge burden (Emotionally and otherwise) on our society
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I do not live in a mansion and neither is my partner rich. We may not have what we want but we have everything that we need including what money can not buy. Being a provider is much more than what you can buy off a counter but am talking in terms of values, love, respect and humility in a home.
Yes there women who are in it for the money but trust me, when you give a woman what you can not buy, you will be amazed at the kind of relationship that you can have.
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dubai

LESKOPRESKO
Basadi ba bangwe ba nale sebete ebile o yena onale letshwafu, how can U sleep le madakweni mpetong wa monna wa gago? jeeeerrrr basadi ba bangwe maann le metogo.they were supposed to go ESGANGENI or rented a place mo ba ka se boneng ke monna o, obviously basadi bajewa mara ba iphithla.
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Le lena ga le baje ga botse, well bonked woman will never cheat.
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Phunyukabemphethe

May your soul RIP but the same woman will continue ka Bofebe, Actually you better stay single forever than to see your lover cheating on you
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BaleliM

@BaleliM

Men are weak emotionally (Thats why its not easy for Men to forgive when cheated on) and worse part is that we bottle up our emotions and that can create a huge problem considering how needy some women can be (Which is not a problem). I believe they were just not compatible emotionally and i just feel very sad for the poor kids
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If men are weak emotionally then they need to be with a woman that does not hit them when their down but rather pulls them up with her strength.
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Snowman11

This is so sad. May God b protect their souls. Once a b*tch, awlays a b*tch.
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MamDubs

Snowman11 Yathukana.
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imbabazane

BaleliM

Yes there women who are in it for the money but trust me, when you give a woman what you can not buy, you will be amazed at the kind of relationship that you can have.

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I have a problem with this line of thinking. When it comes to romance, why must women's love and affection always be "reactionary" ? Why must the man initiate AND THEN the woman reacts? Why don't we ever here about what WOMEN MUST DO to initiate things?
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SeshegoGuY

@BaleliM

Wow! That is so sad, very Tragic hey. I understand where u are coming from. My Mom always say Nothing is ever fair in this world. We can never predict the future and cannot control what other people do to us---- We only can control our re-action and that is what will make us worthy
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skhokho21

BaleliM, a marriage is a contract, don`t confuse people who are not married, it depends which type of contract you choose for yourself.

Could n`t this guy get a gun & shoot the wi.fe, boyfriend, then himself and leave kids with grand parents or sister atleast we were going to look after them, iyho, subjecting kids to that pain of 500 degrees of fire is too much.

Cheating is part of our lives, we all still going to do it, if you cannot handle it stay single, even the nuns & fathers are chowing each other these days.
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RETHASMOM

Eish mara banna ba dommmm maaannn jeerrrrrrrr morning all
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sdakwa

People need to get used to the fact that this thing refered to as "CHEATING" is and will always be a part of our lives and not let thier SELFISH PRIDE destroy everything they have lived for. It's like they always say that your own SELFISH PRIDE IS YOUR WORST ENEMY. The divorce rate is currently unbelievably high and the major contributing factor is the same "CHEATING". Now imagine what would happen if everyone who was being "CHEATED" decided to do this horrible thing. Shame poor KIDS, may their souls rest in peace and may the father rot in hell.
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MommaC

SeshegoGuY

Life was so much simpler before this celebrity worship started.

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Dames

@dubai
LESKOPRESKO
Basadi ba bangwe ba nale sebete ebile o yena onale letshwafu, how can U sleep le madakweni mpetong wa monna wa gago? jeeeerrrr basadi ba bangwe maann le metogo.they were supposed to go ESGANGENI or rented a place mo ba ka se boneng ke monna o, obviously basadi bajewa mara ba iphithla.
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Le lena ga le baje ga botse, well bonked woman will never cheat.
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this is the most foolish thing I ever heard this morning. a dog is a dog it doesn't matter what you give it, you cannot teach a dog to be human after some time it will return to its own vomits.
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PTW

Sefebe wase tlogela Period Eish poor kids they died for nothing!
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zulustereotype

This man can go to hell.

What have the kids go to do with your problems.

Masipa Mmau!!!!
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Bumboklaat

Bofebe ba bonchi! Basadi bare rena banna re dimpya mara bona ke dimpya tse kgolo!
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Garang

@ Momma C...."There is also this stupid idea that gets pushed on us by society that a woman has to have a man or she is somehow a 'failure'. Terribly superficial and a recipe for sadness"

Let me beg to differ with you on this one point. God was not foolish when he created a man and a woman and made sure the two have to cohabit. It is not society that pushes that idea to us. It is only natural. I hope even yourself, was not pushed by society to have who ever is in your life (partner) judging by the way you sound so wise. Wild animals are not as wise as we are but they also move around in pairs and often fight for some kind of place around the female i.e. the males of cause. So when we as human beings also fight for what we perceive as our sweet hearts, we are not being stupid.

As for this man, my personal opinion is that he may thought that if he walked away from the relationship, with the way he so "loved" his kids, he would loose them altogether to w.ife because of the foolish laws of SA. Therefore for him imagining his kids being around another man who would not be him, he could not stomach that, neither would l. He therefore decided to take his baggage with him. Sounds foolish of cause but the foolishness shall always remain with us because it is only natural. No cow attends to a calf that is not theirs..
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Skopokopo

My man cheated on me, i kept saying things will be right. Then one day i met a wonderful friend we exchanged numbers nd he will sms me. I started not to worry about his cheatings that's when he started to think im cheating whereas i was not. One day he took my pone and found the messages. All hell broke looose, he was so heartbroken forgeting how he has broken me.
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SeshegoGuY

@BaleliM
Emotions are very complex, some people still do not even know themselves (their weaknesses, what makes them tick and the likes) which then becomes difficult when u try to enter into a relationship.

I for one know that my Career is top priority at the moment and i will not give it up for anyone so Im just not ready "to be tied up". Im still learning a bit more about myself before i can make that big step
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RETHASMOM

Skopokopo
My man cheated on me, i kept saying things will be right. Then one day i met a wonderful friend we exchanged numbers nd he will sms me. I started not to worry about his cheatings that's when he started to think im cheating whereas i was not. One day he took my pone and found the messages. All hell broke looose, he was so heartbroken forgeting how he has broken me.
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like i said gal banna ba domm
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Poponas

Bana ba ba handsome so,,'tsek wena mon.na ke wena wa houtkop le mosa.di wa gao wa mpja!!!
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Garang

@Skopokopo---You were already cheating on him. What smses was that friend send across to you? Obviously they were containing some connotations that pointed on you two being an item. Basop!!! you can be k..illed by these men.
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maezizsto

MommaC
Look at those beautiful little faces and tell me how anyone could hurt them so badly.

Some men should just grow a pair.
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@MommaC we told yesterday the woman had somethin to do with this,now innocent children have lost their lives
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Phunyukabemphethe

@Sowetan Boitumelo Tshehle
'A JEALOUS husband set alight his two children''
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What were thinking about this sentence above, Are you trying to promote bofebe or trying to say the woman was right to sleep with another man in his bed
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LESKOPRESKO

dubai
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Le lena ga le baje ga botse, well bonked woman will never cheat.
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O nkwe o nkwishishe mma, o gona motho wa mme akareng yena o jewa ke monna o mo tee molefatsheng, Mo ke molefatsheng UYADLA UYADLIWA, its just that other people are 2 good 2 hide their tracks, if wena o kgona go ja motho wa mme wa batho then wa gago go gana kae gore ajewe, bajewa batho ba rena is just that we have'nt seen it.

Dames
its not foolish ke reality papa go a jewana molefatsheng nd i don'nt know who is gonna stop it.
Our own president was catcht bonking mme ole but he 's got so many wifes (is that a foolish comment or KE REALITY PAPA)

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BaleliM

skhokho21
BaleliM, a marriage is a contract, don`t confuse people who are not married, it depends which type of contract you choose for yourself.

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I beg to differ. if marriage is a contract, then the T&C's can be changed at any given time and a contract can be terminated when the other is not happy.
However, a covenant is a totally different story all together. It changes the outlook on marriage and the reasons for getting into it are deeper and hopefully lifetime.
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Vongsta

This is really sad...two wrongs never make a right.............Now people are dead because of a woman who close her legs........very sad!
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Shredder

@PhiriMapetla1
@Dinamanam

Are nyaleng banna. Akere le lona le jela ba bangwe, le lona ba tlo le jela. Are nyaleng banna. Maybe you will be lucky ba se go jele.
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SeshegoGuY

Some Men's views on this topic really makes me feel ashamed and somehow i don't blame some women when they say "Men r dogs". I mean humanity must always prevail at the end of the day
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Vongsta

If marriege was a contract then where do you get the t's and C's? people let's not confuse marriege with our selfish desires. God didn't create it to hurt each other but to love and spend time together.................
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MORNACHIES

@LESKOPRESKO,
Wa bua moo ntate ,it is true, if u can manage to sleep with someone's wifey then there's
a huge possibility that even that of yours can be bonked by others .....I still cries for my
beloved Nomsa ,she used to tell her husband that she is going to Mabopane while she
cums to mi place ....trully speaking that's the tym when i enjoyed sex to the bit .look at
me today always with MAGOS.HA ...Is this life ?eish may her soul rest in peace !!!!!
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Yoghurt

Men are caught in bed with other women all the time and it is OK because they are the men. What the man has done is wrong the kids' soles will haunt him where ever he is. Men can just stop fooling themselves and come to terms with the fact that women do cheat just like them period.
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full.lips

Men are such rubbish, they cheat with impunity but can't take it when wi.fe does the same thing.
Who do they think they are, women's hearts are not made out of rocks, we also feel pain nwhn you bastards cheats but won't dose our family with petrol. Sies, some are low lifes even steeping so low as sleeping with abomagosh* but won't forgive a poor wi.fe for sleeping with another man.
I am fuming nxa ...may the souls of those young boys rest in peace.
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dubai

LESKOPRESKO
dubai
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Le lena ga le baje ga botse, well bonked woman will never cheat.
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O nkwe o nkwishishe mma, o gona motho wa mme akareng yena o jewa ke monna o mo tee molefatsheng, Mo ke molefatsheng UYADLA UYADLIWA, its just that other people are 2 good 2 hide their tracks, if wena o kgona go ja motho wa mme wa batho then wa gago go gana kae gore ajewe, bajewa batho ba rena is just that we have'nt seen it.

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Even if that woman can stand up are yena o jewa ke motho o motee so far you are not going to believe her. Ok problem ke eng LESKOPRESKO le lena banna le dumela go ja mos*adi o mo one le le twelve and even worse le ja le di married women, what is left in your mind basadi are same,

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MGEEZ

0408
MGEEZ
We should be all responsible as well as accountable for our own actions. Let us not use circumstances as our defence. If the husband did not die, he was going to be charged for murder and even if he used the extenuating factor that he found the madam, in bed with another man, it will not save him from going to jail. The bottom line, he had a choice to walk away.
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Indeed, we should all be responsible and accountable for our actions and yes if he was alive he would have been charged. However we do not know what would have became the verdict of the court and unless we have precedence in that respect I suggest we do not go that way in our discussion. I fail to understand what you are talking about when you say that let us not use the circumstances as our defence; I have not defended myself to you at all and if you read my comments prior our dialogue you would realise that I have absolutely no reason to do so; remember I did not torch anybody!!! My question to you was based on the relevance of the words that you extracted from the sciptures and used here!!! Sometimes we use the Word of God in vain you see and get all the Atheist on this blog excited (arguing things they know nothing about); hence my question to you.

Yes the men had a choice and according to the story he made his choice, the reason for our discussion is that we do not agree with his choice, but the bottom line is that he has exercised it.
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Phunyukabemphethe

@BaleliM
I beg to differ. if marriage is a contract, then the T&C's can be changed at any given time and a contract can be terminated when the other is not happy.However, a covenant is a totally different story all together. It changes the outlook on marriage and the reasons for getting into it are deeper and hopefully lifetime.
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If we were having renewable marriage contract for a period of four years in your lifetime i think they will be less divorce and cheating

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Mthondowethusi

Men can cheat but keep it tight secret , yo patner must not even suspect u banging ada ladies out der.
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pierre2000

@ manga2
What does the Sowetan implies by calling the deceased 'A JEALOUS HUSBAND'. Was this the only appropriate adjective available to describe this man?
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Its jeolousness that triggered the whole process. The fact that he found his wify with anaother man. What would u call that? To me its jeolousness and stupidity
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Mosquer

Sowetan, can you really call this man "JEALOUS" husband!!!!!

Mara basadi ke dikobane tše bohloko maan
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe

Monna ke tsela ha di tsejwe,
Ke se tlaama thoto ka mafifi shwalane,
O ya shona jwaloka lelanka,
Ke buile seZULU jwale"O ya shona jwaloka lelanka"kgelek.

Dintho ha di sa tsamaye hantle mosadii o tlameha ho re ha a bula mahlo hoseng o thole o se o le siyo.Le diphahlo tsa hao di ile,o seitse bana lelapa e seng o ba bolaye chee.

Monna ke sechu(stew) sa mehakajane,
O tshwana hantle le lefokolodi,
Ntho e shwelang tseleng e etile,
O itshwanela hantle le hlooho ya pere,
Hoba manong ha a e qete.

Kgepho,qhushu! ya kgaola yaya.

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Printa

Usishiyeleni isifebe sona. Ngendi qale ngaso!!!
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MommaC

Garang

No religion, PLEASE.

It takes two whole people to make a marriage. It isn't a 50:50 partnership, it is a 100% commitment. If one of the parties is not 'whole' then they cannot give 100%. Any woman that NEEDS a man to feel successful isn't grown up enough to deserve to have one
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LESKOPRESKO

dubai
are tseye wena dubai, e sale e ba wena ojelwe ke banna ba ba kae ebile o nyetswe na?
ebile the worse part ke gore o berekisa le bitso la DUBAI (ke moteng mo banna bajelang bas*adi ba batho)

Go jewa is natural nd U don't have 2 hide it nd to correct all of U bas*adi, an AFRICAN man is not supposed to have one lady (he can have as many as 20) not the other way round.

BAS*ADI KE BA MONNA nd MONNA KE WA MOS*ADI finish nd klaar
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Garang

Where love is involved..jealousy is also around there. These two are inseparable. If you are wronged, you obviously get angry and anger manifests in many ways. Others cry, physically fight, isolate themselves , and others decide to die. Now all this depends on one's emotional management capabilities. Those who decide to just walk away from sour relationships, "pretend" that all is fine when deep inside they will be dead and surely they die emotionally which is also not ayoba..!
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Mokgalaka2

Thobela

May their souls rest in peace..............
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thembag0206

Wow!!!! why why why oh my god!!!! what happened to love,this is beyond comment,
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SeshegoGuY

@Garang

LoL Momma gets offended by debates which "shields" behind Religion. Now u know

@BaleliM

We just need a revolution in our society because whats happening right now is not sustainable
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zulustereotype

Basadi learn to keep your legs closed and your brains open.
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RobinH

Some seriously disturbing chauvinism on the loose in some of these comments.
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pierre2000

@BaleliM
@ Dames
I think you comments are biased, women throw kids into bins and some abort because of men, and women are the one who choose an easy way of cheating instead of walking away, men cheat for the fun of it not because things are not going well while women will rather keep quiet and cheat instead of sorting out relationship problems.
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am not being biased. what is a role of a man in a home. am i wrong in saying that the man is the one that protects and provides for the family whilst the woman natures? why then does the head of the house k.ll innocent kids?
and then, a man cheats for the fun of it you say? Does the hurt feelings of the w.fe know that it was just fun and not anything serious or does she hurt in as much as the man would hurt?
Am not condoning cheating am merely stating that both men and women should know that their role is when they commit to happily never after.
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She could have cheated, if she wanted, but not doing that in the man's house, bedroom and for heaven's sake in the man's bed!! The man's reaction was stupid and extreme, he should have at least gone for the bastar.d who was hammering his wify

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SKIZOBANTWANA

JEEEEEEEEEER !!! What a tragic incident,Wonderful-Handsome young boys are nomore..

@ Sowetan
S.T.O.P WRIGHTING NONE_SENSE --------THIS GUYS WAS NOT JEALOUS BUT HURT, THOUGH I CONDEMN THE K!LL!NG OF KIDS
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Garang

@Momma C...As human species, we are involved in heart to heart relationships in our very early stages of life. A young man / girl in their twenties, will never reason like 50 year olds and these two will not wait until they are fifty so that they can be able to make "rational" decisions. That is the reason why l will always say it is only natural. The way you reasoned about relationship matters when you were 20 is not the same way you reason now...that is if you are now far over 20 which l suppose you are. Therefore every body deserves to be in a relationship and they learn from within.
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KUKU

They use to say "Jesu watla" but this days is more like "Sathane watla mo lefaseng"

Gape things that ppl do - mehlolo feela.
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MommaC

Garang

Yes, we are herd creatures who want the emotional closeness and the feeling of being special to someone. My argument is that you cannot expect someone else to complete you. That is being a parasite. You have to be complete in yourself or you cannot contribute to the relationship.
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Garang

@SeshegoGuy.."LoL Momma gets offended by debates which "shields" behind Religion. Now u know"

One of these days she will need to confide in us why she so hates religion before we starting concluding that may be somewhere along the line of religion she was abused by the Word of God or the so called servants of the church...PASTORS l mean..LOl....No offense Momma C..!

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Papgat

This man is a coward, is not man enough to stand for the harsh. In life someone need to be strong, because life is a field of unlimited possibilities.
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PDreamz

The man is a coward how can he k.ill his kids, they tried getting help it didn’t work the best next thing was to leave the cheating w#ore not to take the lives of innocent kids. He might be their father but that didn’t give him the right to play God with their innocent lives. I wish his soul could rot in hell and I also wish this tart of a useless w!fe can die and rot in hell with him they are both selfish. It’s so irritating when you find parents like who puts their kids through such an awful ordeal and we supposed to sympathise with them fck them both I feel for the kids.

Those who says the woman is responsible for the k.illing you're crazy the man must be hold accountable for his actions the jezzable she married did buy that petrol or help him to set the house on fire.

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Papgat

There are problems in life, however how long the night, the dawn will break.
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PDreamz

the man must be hold accountable for his actions the jezzable she married DIDNT buy that petrol or help him to set the house on fire.


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sdakwa

I would like to appeal to some of the bloggers to stop calling women names. It takes two people to do this, it can be two people of the same or it be two people of the opposite sex.
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dubai

LESKOPRESKO
BAS*ADI KE BA MONNA nd MONNA KE WA MOS*ADI finish nd klaar
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Not in dis life time, women are going to fuc*k u up. M telling you.
You dont care about STD's and other related diseases, man...............
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tintan

MGEEZ
Apologies for the misunderstanding. Let me explain the relevance of the scripture. I said two wrongs do not make a right. The decision that the husband made was wrong as well as the woman's betrayal, but there seems to be double standards in our societies or communities, people use different pedestal to judge men or women. Let us not look at gender, but wrong is wrong, even if it was the husband, who was caught in bed. No one is perfect.
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Mbeva

The man finds his wif3 red-handed with another man,did he ever get his sons red-handed on top of his wif3? Why slay the inncocent sons? Moronic coward.
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pierre2000

@Mzalaz
Eish...some man so stupido man! Why killing thos cute 2 boys, if their mama cheated so why killing the kids instead of killing himself (father) if he cant deal with the problem properly.

We don't know why they had so many problems in 2 years of marriage..., maybe HIM also had an affair but man seem to think they have a right to cheat on their wives jus bcoz they are man, but when women do the same, it's so bad and they jump to DIVORCE OR K**LING.

Lets vote...How many women that stays in their marriages even when knowing that the husband has an affair??

Women stays for the kids etc but man;... They go mad nx, ayaphapha amadoda asemzansi nx.

Best thing to do : NEVER GET MARRIED. Finish!
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I agree with you that when some men are cheated, they over react. But when they cheat themselves, its like they have done something that is normal. I think culture and religion are to blame here. Traditionally men used to marry many women and even in the Bible some pipo used to marry man wo.men. But things have changed these days. There are many gud men out there. So plz don't rule out getting married. Marriage is sweet if u marry the right person!!!!!!!!
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Gijima

Cheating is not a new thing and it happens to anyone. never rule out the possibility of heppening to you.
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RobinH

Garang. People are generally not offended by religion, even though they may not embrace it. Religion itself is not offensive. It is the frequently belligerent arrogance and self-righteousness of bible bashers and religious fanatics that is offensive. I think you will find that that is MommaC's position too.
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Papgat

The poor guy who k.illed his son for the sake of a women, forget one thing ‘’Life isn`t about how you survived the storm……it`s about how you dance in the rain
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Palsah

IT IS HIGH TIME THESE CREATURES CALLED MEN GIVE BIRTH TOO..THEY DO NOT KNOW THE PAIN THAT COMES WITH IT, NO WONDER THEY KEEP PLAYING AROUND WITH PPL'S LIVES..THE DO NOT KNOW THE PRICE THAT IS PAID DURING LABOUR..
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Phunyukabemphethe

IF a man is found cheating/sleeping with another woman then the woman in charge will forgive the man.WHY THE MAN DO NOT DO THE SAME
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MommaC

Garang

:) no offence taken

Its no secret. I just don't believe the fairytales and it really irritates me when people use religion to hide behind. 'Because god said so' isn't a valid excuse and 'it is god's will' is just a cop out. Too many people use religion to avoid taking personal responsibility for their own stupidity.
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Garang

@Momma C..."Yes, we are herd creatures who want the emotional closeness and the feeling of being special to someone. My argument is that you cannot expect someone else to complete you. That is being a parasite. You have to be complete in yourself or you cannot contribute to the relationship"
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Now you are talking bid sister. A love relationship is a two way traffic thing so to say. Its a give and take and no win win type of thing. I do not get you clearly on the parasite part. I also would like to believe that genuine relationships are not decided by material wealthy but by "love" richness. Material riches tend to sublime into thin air at some stage but that must not herald the demise of a love relationship.

I would expect someone to complete me because for us to have 100% it means both lad and lady must supplement each other at theoretically 50/50 to make 100%. I will not say 100 / 100 because l do not believe that there is anything like 200%--meaning 200 out of 100. Its mathematically incorrect.
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra

According to him, the couple went through marriage counselling and church prayers but none of them helped.
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He caught the w.ife in bed with another man.......... lack of or boring mdavaso does not need prayers. These are ings which prayers and church cannot fix..........


May the innocent kids' souls rest in peace

To the coward father, no eternal peace for you but eternal flames
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SeshegoGuY

@RobinH

.......So do read the bible?? if yes, do u go to church??

I know u and Momma might differ but at leat Religion in some parts of the world has brought a bit of stability but then it all boils down to how u as an individual behaves
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sibuyim

STOP cheating. Stop Cheating.
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LESKOPRESKO

dubai
LESKOPRESKO
BAS*ADI KE BA MONNA nd MONNA KE WA MOS*ADI finish nd klaar
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Not in dis life time, women are going to fuc*k u up. M telling you.
You dont care about STD's and other related diseases, man...............
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Anyway batho bajana gontse go le bjalo,the reason why gonale bofebe is bcause our leaders are changing african laws,it is allowed 4 an african 2 have plenty of wifes.

When a man sleep with his wifes (it can be 10 of more) who are faithfull to him, no one will be infected with those deseases.look at our leaders Zuma, Mswati, Goodwill just to mension a few nd of course myself (we are all clean bcause abafazi bethu abayenzi amasimba)

Does anyone know what is the real cause of AIDS, i dont think so...............Mbeki was correct when he questioned the cause of aids.
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Akhonto

Pic 3- is that the mother found in bed with another man? yhooo
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SeshegoGuY

@Palsah

I see that ur dislike for Men has no limits..

@MommaC

U see what i was talking about......We get blamed for EVERYTHING!! Read what Palsah posted
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Palsah

@Palsah

I see that ur dislike for Men has no limits..
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Seshego i love men so much trust me,, it is only their evil deeds that drive me up the wall.
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MGEEZ

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MGEEZ
Apologies for the misunderstanding. Let me explain the relevance of the scripture. I said two wrongs do not make a right. The decision that the husband made was wrong as well as the woman's betrayal, but there seems to be double standards in our societies or communities, people use different pedestal to judge men or women. Let us not look at gender, but wrong is wrong, even if it was the husband, who was caught in bed. No one is perfect.
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100% spot on!!!
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RobinH

SeshegoGuY: In my youth I studied the bible intensively but eventually decided that although I try to follow the manner in which Christ is purported to have lived (as I consider - from what one knows of him - that he was an extraordinary individual), I have no need to embrace the formal religions that followed after. I have also read the Quran and several Buddhist and Hindu "scriptures" or writings. I haven't been to church, except for weddings and funerals, for very many years. The rampant intolerance of other ways of thinking displayed by too many who follow formal religion is, in my view, a complete reversal of the teachings of Christ, and thus I simply cannot align myself to such thinking.

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Garang

Momma C

I also would like to believe that those people who attend church say from their early day as kids ( Sunday school ), to some time when they turned 18yrs....these people behave slightly differently from those who never did. There is an African proverb that directly translates as.....the hide (skin) is worked on while it is still wet..... All l am saying is religion shapes us in a way that is positive at some stage. But those who use religion for their own selfish rotten behaviors, that is something else and l also condone that in very strong terms. Otherwise we are able to live life minus religion just like what wild animals do. But l for one, when l feel like k..illing you, l will quickly think of the verse that says Thou shall not k**ill....and l will simply shy away with much respect to life.
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sdakwa

RobinH
SeshegoGuY: In my youth I studied the bible intensively but eventually decided that although I try to follow the manner in which Christ is purported to have lived (as I consider - from what one knows of him - that he was an extraordinary individual), I have no need to embrace the formal religions that followed after. I have also read the Quran and several Buddhist and Hindu "scriptures" or writings. I haven't been to church, except for weddings and funerals, for very many years. The rampant intolerance of other ways of thinking displayed by too many who follow formal religion is, in my view, a complete reversal of the teachings of Christ, and thus I simply cannot align myself to such thinking.
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A bottle of BELLS whisky is on it's honourable Robin.



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Palsah

Garang...Well Said.. i like.
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sdakwa

@RobinH
SeshegoGuY: In my youth I studied the bible intensively but eventually decided that although I try to follow the manner in which Christ is purported to have lived (as I consider - from what one knows of him - that he was an extraordinary individual), I have no need to embrace the formal religions that followed after. I have also read the Quran and several Buddhist and Hindu "scriptures" or writings. I haven't been to church, except for weddings and funerals, for very many years. The rampant intolerance of other ways of thinking displayed by too many who follow formal religion is, in my view, a complete reversal of the teachings of Christ, and thus I simply cannot align myself to such thinking.
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A bottle of BELLS whisky is on it's way honourable Robin.

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Garang

@RobinH.....Do you not think that the blame should like squarely on those whom we trust with interpreting the word to us? These people may be mess around with our vulnerable minds.
I would also like to think that studying religion and worship are two different things....what do you think?
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SeshegoGuY

@RobinH

yes i agree that there are many who do not "Practice what they Preach" but aren't u a little Judgemental?? I guess what im saying is that it seems to me that although u believe in the bible u have simply given up on religious people whether genuine or not.

@Garang
Completely agree my man
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BaleliM

@ Garang
Well said.
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SeshegoGuY

@Palsah

We are all human (Men &Women) and we have many flaws. Picking one from the other and claiming that "THEY" are doing this/that more than the "OTHER" is really pointless and will not solve the issues which we currently find ourselves in.

The only thing u (Women and Men) r in control of is ur reaction to events/others and that is he difference between maturity and child-like behaviour.
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full.lips

wi.ves are not properties to be owned/controlled , it's our bodies, pu.nani and surely can do as we please , if you don't like the arrangement then butt off !!!! No killings please especially of our off springs.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe

So called a womann disappointed Jesus what men can do?

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SKIZOBANTWANA

@Palsah
I wonder what happened to you ,to even think that way...

If married _stay truthful to your spouse, but i can't say the same with us who are not married
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RobinH

Garang: Let's put it this way: I see no point in discussing the existence or not of a God. I am here. I try to live a decent life with some degree of integrity. I try to do my best to be of some use to my community. I do NOT see any point in considering the existence or not of an afterlife, as I believe one should strive to be a "good" person without the offer of a reward (heaven) or threat of punishment (hell) having to M O T I V A T E one. I fully accept that studying religion is not the same as worship, but don't see what point you are trying to make. I have no desire to worship, though I admit that certain pieces of music etc. move me in inexplicable ways..... about the closest thing I know to a form of metaphysical experience. It simply does not work for me, and I see no reason why it should.

sdakwa: Many thanks, kind Sir. This is a matter I contemplate quite a lot.

OH MY: THE WORD "M O T I V A T E" is deemed vulgar!!! HA HA HA HAHA. Sowetan, you are something else. Seriously.
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RedRhino

Only men should have more than 1 partner...
It’s unnatural for women to cheat, see results !

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RobinH

SeshegoGuY: Maybe I am being judgemental, but I think in a rather gentle way, as my judgement manifests itself in my refusal to participate in formal religion. I don't blow up anyone for believing differently. I don't send anyone off to hell or suggest that this is where they are heading. I simply go my own way.... and certainly have no qualms about pointing out the inherent contradictions of hypocrisy manifested by the more fanatical and/or verbal adherents.

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SeshegoGuY

@RedRhino

This is why some people don't support "Save the Rhino" campaign
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Charley4sure

This guys should have set fire on the bi*#@th and leave the kids alone.
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full.lips

why can't just MEN forgive and put this whole thing behind them ?
that pu.nani will still taste same, geez maybe the wi.fe will even love you more for being the bigger man, hehehe..pun intended.
I still say you men can sleep with magosh* who just slept with 20 guys before you BUT won't erase the imagine of your partner being pumped just once by one man...Hypocrites !!!
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Garang

@ RobinH.... I am here. I try to live a decent life with some degree of integrity. I try to do my best to be of some use to my community. I do NOT see any point in considering the existence or not of an afterlife, as I believe one should strive to be a "good" person without the offer of a reward (heaven) or threat of punishment (hell) having to M O T I V A T E one. I fully accept that ..."

The type of life you mentioned and aspire to live and pursue, is exactly what the bible is advocating for. I can only describe you as a mature "Godly" person...Myself and the society at large is very safe in your vicinity. Thank you for being respectful to what nature has put along side you.
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MommaC

Garang

Yes, the hide must be fresh to be worked well but that has more to do with family honour than with religion. Children learn what they see, not what is said to them. You can send a child to church but if the parents are criminals then they are unlikely to take the teaching of the church over their life experience. I don't ki11 because it is against the principles I was taught as a child, not because I am scared of a pitchfork up my behind when I'm dead. The difference is that you don't ki11 because you are told not to - I don't ki11 because I don't want to
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Palsah

We are all human (Men &Women) and we have many flaws. Picking one from the other and claiming that "THEY" are doing this/that more than the "OTHER" is really pointless and will not solve the issues which we currently find ourselves in.

The only thing u (Women and Men) r in control of is ur reaction to events/others and that is he difference between maturity and child-like behaviour
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@Seshego we cannot keep saying we have many flaws..some flaws are inexcusable and rather unforgivable..i mean how many times have we heard similar cases where men kil innocent children as method of revenge?? That is why i sometimes think that you MEN are cluless on what it feels like to bring a baby into this world..it We end up pointing fingers at each other instead of finding the solution to solving all ths cra.p..
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RobinH

Garang. Thankyou so much. It is not often I encounter that kind of understanding. I truly appreciate it. Very deeply.
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Candyboy

Why are some of us men so damn weak.....if you w!fe cheats on you then bru....you not doing that pumpum good in the bedroom...stop hating if your woman cheats on you.....us men do it all the time.....and for christ sake....leave the innocent kids to live their lives if you gonna k!ll urslf......i feel no pity for this looser for k1lling himself........my heart goes out to the kids, but as the word declares.....unto to them (children) the kingdom of heaven belongs, RIP.
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tabadiametwa

May his soul rest in hell, rramarete!
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MommaC

SeshegoGuY

LOL
Don't cry about women blaming men for everything. Men spend just as much time blaming women for all their woes.
Kinda makes you wonder at the intelligence behind the concept of polygamy, doesn't it :)
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Palsah

@Palsah
I wonder what happened to you ,to even think that way...

If married _stay truthful to your spouse, but i can't say the same with us who are not married
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SKIZO Im not married..it is because of such things that you men do that some of us dont believe in the importance marriage anymore..
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mogogonope

nkabe ae polaye ale tee a tlogele bana.
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SeshegoGuY

@RobinH

Seems to me that u r content with the road u've taken ( I cnt argue with that). Some of us are still caught up in this jungle trying to move up the corporate ladder and acquiring more money "So that i can be deemed Marriage material" Lol

As for Religion, it keeps me going when the roda gets tough and I believe Im what i am because of those values enshrined in the bible

Moderator Please get a life!
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RedRhino

@SeshegoGuY

Ok ‘Guy-Fawkes’....
There's a big difference between men & guys ok !

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RobinH

Palsah: I Agree. "If married _stay truthful to your spouse". If you no longer get on, don't cheat on her. Come clean, end the relationship and move on. There is absolutely no acceptible reason for cheating. The same "ethic" applies to any relationship, whether marriage or simply "being an item".
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Mzabalazo

Cheating- Both men and women do it and cheating has been with us from time immemorial and is here to stay. There are women and men whose strenght of resisting cheating their spouse is a second nature. Not every man or woman cheats. As much as we always blame men for cheating, men are not cheating with other men excerpt for people in the same sex relationship and those who have taste for both men and women( which is just a few in numbers),men cheat with other women and most women will know that the person they are sharing the bed with has a good relationship or he is married. This phenomenon is not only about starvation or celebrity is about many things and we cannot really ground it to one or two. As much as the society hates it is embedded in our genes, it is reflect the way we used to do things in the stone age or longer than that. We have modernised our behaviour but the traits will always show. eg it has been proven scientifically that men still move their heads around, wether they are married or not wether they are happily married or happily in their relationship or not, when an ovulating woman passesby, that is natural. They might not know that they are doing that, but it is natural. Woment too will unknowingly react differently when ovulating in front of men. Some tell tale signs are involuntarily eg their waist become much smaller and some areas become exaggerated, this remind me of the animal kingdom when it is time for mating. Having said that we humans set ethicall and moral rules to guide our behaviour, we have developed discipline in different ways to fend off promiscuoity and anarchy, but some of us will remain weaker than others and some of us will prefare such behaviour, while others will be drawn to such behaviour because of wanting to be loved , exploitation, sex addiction and socialization. Yet we cannot rule out choice.
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SeshegoGuY

@MommaC

Lol Please lets not go there, I do not believe in Poligamy essentially because i believe in equality (I was raised by very independent and Strong women)

Im starting to buy into that whole thing: that Men r from Mars and Women from Venus----Why can't we just all get along
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Eezy

I also have 99 thousand problems but a b*tch is non of them,.
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Garang

@Mommac C...True that. Family values play a major roll in shaping up whom we become later in life. It is that "God" respecting family that you are taught to respect human life. For you to want or not to should have some complex back ground. There is a stage early in life that you decisions are more inclined to what you see around than what you want. Young people make some mistakes, not because they want but because they happen to be entangled into those things one way or the other. I would like to believe that we only become in charge of our actions at some intrinsic stage again as we develop. That development stage is the one that is sophisticated and how best can we deal with it?
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tintan

@ Mzabalazo
Well said my sister. Are you advocating sisi that we look at the menu and always eat at home? LOL

Its a pleasure hearing from you. How are you?

Makhosini
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mozmoz

God will judge us when we reach heaven
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mozmoz

@ kurhula i love u so much girl , u rock my world
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Palsah

Palsah: I Agree. "If married _stay truthful to your spouse". If you no longer get on, don't cheat on her. Come clean, end the relationship and move on. There is absolutely no acceptible reason for cheating. The same "ethic" applies to any relationship, whether marriage or simply "being an item".
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RobinH- i heard one guy saying the reason behind this whole cheating is that lots married people fear to opt for divorce simply because of the "stigma' that comes with it..
How can one sacrifice their own happiness and sexual satisfaction because of the fear that people will judge..That is exactly what leads to majority of married people engaging infedility..and of course the sad loss of innocent lives..
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Bumbu

Tswana women wh_ores.Like Xhosas.
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SeshegoGuY

@Palsah

Im NOT condoning his behaviour, actually there is no justification in taking some one's life.

You cannot look at the solution as being "Men must wake up"--That is playing the man instead of playing the ball. Such extreme behaviour always has their roots in the how he was raised as a young man. Im not making excuses for his barbaric behaviour but our soceity really needs a wake up call. Our collective Moral behaviour leaves much to be desired
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Thulz

Women learn from the best in cheating, after all you MEN who do you cheat with Women not cows,cats,chicken.Earth is round and if you cheat out there BE sure this is coming your way too.
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RobinH

Palsah: I know many that have put forward that argument, and I agree, it is just so much BS. Completely lacking in logic and ultimately simply cowardly.
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Mtho'eng'nanqondo

People think this guy ki#led his children because he did not love them?
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Mzabalazo

Full.lip

Why men cannot forgive? That boils back to evolution's great defence., preservation of species. Mne will never forgive most of the time, just like a male lion does, the instict of evolution is about survival. Men want only their offsprings to be born from their women and cannot bear the fact that you might be carrying another breed. Yet women would easily forgive as their male will not be carrying a different offspring, because men will not be pregnant. The only time the women will react to preserve their offspring/species, is when a man brings his offsprings from another breed or another woman. The woman who recieve these offsprings which are not hers will react by ill-treating them, it doesnt matter whether they are a poor or rich family. Again that is not across the board, we have women who will treat such offsprings alm ost as theirs, almost because they will keep on showing more favour and affection to theirs more even if they do not ill- treat the "other" offsprings. That too has evolved and been polished by eth#ical and moral standards that guides the survival of the bigger family , ie a clan, tribe nation. But we also have our unforgiving side as women. Self - presevation.
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full.lips

@ RedRhino
Only men should have more than 1 partner...
It's unnatural for women to cheat, see results !
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Hahahaha....that's laughable , and who said that?
men don't cheat with trees, they cheat with other women....and you know what two can play that game
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Sgandy

Amazing how weak we men are..such emotional wrecks we are.much as we remain the 'Goliaths and Samson's' of this earth we snub like twigs emotionally..One can only imagine how would this earth be if women were this weak emotionally..we could have all perished..but they stood firm and take all kinds of rubbish men hurl to them,beatings,rape,cheating,neglect etc..and it is quiet rare for a woman to do such an evil thing..I mean killing your kids in this way..damn..that's ultra evil..the poor boys got nothing to do with the parents marital problems and surely they would have loved to see another brightness of the day..fact is men cheat on women so much and they think its a game they can master..but when the tide turns against them they slither and crumble destroying everything around them..weak bastards we are.
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Palsah

Im NOT condoning his behaviour, actually there is no justification in taking some one's life.

You cannot look at the solution as being "Men must wake up"--That is playing the man instead of playing the ball. Such extreme behaviour always has their roots in the how he was raised as a young man. Im not making excuses for his barbaric behaviour but our soceity really needs a wake up call. Our collective Moral behaviour leaves much to be desired
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Seshego-Zone1..That is sooo true hey..Like is said, Pointing fingers at each other wont help..and the point u have raised on "how he was raised as a young man", well it does not really cut it for me,, wa tseba gore m.oruti ga a belegi m.oruti akere?? every1 is unique in their own way..and people cannot continue with their extremely absurd behaviour and want to blame in on "When i was young my father used to abuse my mother"
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MOTSOKWANA

Bo efa
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full.lips

@ Mzabalazo
excuses after excuses , men simply cheat because they have no morals & control by their d*cks.
We are all human being, born the same with with same emotions/feeling, we bleed the same blood so what gives you the right to sleep around and not expect me( woman) to do the same?
nothing is stopping a woman to have 4 husbands, only society frown upon such behaviour but Biologically a woman can take as much d*cks in her lifetime.
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Palsah

@ Mzabalazo
excuses after excuses , men simply cheat because they have no morals & control by their d*cks.
We are all human being, born the same with with same emotions/feeling, we bleed the same blood so what gives you the right to sleep around and not expect me( woman) to do the same?
nothing is stopping a woman to have 4 husbands, only society frown upon such behaviour but Biologically a woman can take as much d*cks in her lifetime
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FULL.Lips..hahahahahaaa.. i fully agree..What men can to do, Women can do TEN TIMES BETTR..lol..
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SeshegoGuY

@Palsah

errrrr.... Not that im offended but let me just point it out that im NOT from zone1, Im a proud resident of ZONE 4 (Beach park & all)

well it could also mean that the Pastor did not raise his kids very well, u know how some of them can be dictators ka mo ntlong "in the name of God". Yes u right some crimi.nals always use that excuse about their childhood for their crimes but that just shows u that we live with Psycho-paths in this world
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JozibelXXX

Men are happy when they cheat, my husband was a player with a small tool!! didn't know how to use it, though he was loaded with money. I left him because i was tired to cheat...and for that matter took a complementary career where i can enjoy all sizes and shapes everyday!!
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Mzabalazo

0408

Hi! Dear, well that is how in my opinion things are, this is not a fact but an opinion. Well we have to avoid sleeping around because if we do not, nature will and it does stop us. For instance if we look at how many disease that we might get that are sexually transmitted. Nature might be regulating us. I was watching a certain species of rodents which perplexed the biologists. Due to their ever growing number they throw themselves into the fall and drown, ye twe cannot 100% say they are delibaretely committing suicide as they cannot communicate to us. But this phenomenon is only happening when the number of these rodents rises, when it is lower they do not throw themselves to death. What I am trying to argue here is that nature has ways of regulating our behaviour, and I might be wrong but if we look at the number of people world wide, reflect not only sex amongst partners or married couples, it also reflect the number of extra- marital sexual relationship. Could HIV/AIDS be another way of human rodents been regulated to stick to one partner? We might never know. In short love, self-preservation might be taking another step. If you want to play outside the relationship you have to bandage your particulars and again the condom is not a 100% guarantee that you are safe, it is just a prefered way of reducing the risk, not eliminating the risk. This means the risk is as it was before, the condom might burst or it might have tiny holes. We have one choice: be honest or be infected. Just a theory.
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full.lips

Karma is a bi*tch and knows every address in this world, if you cheat & hurt your woman chances are she will return the favour.
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full.lips

@ Sgandy
well said, props 2 u bru..........give that man a Bells!
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BlackLion

This has nothing to do with either being Men or Women.

Cheating is not a good thing at all and no amount of so called reasons will ever justify that. It really does not matter who says what; the truth is that cheating is not attribute of Love.

People must stop entering into sacred communion for financial reasons.

Falling in Love is similar to having a close relationship with the Creator; you break that communion, you are bound to suffer serious consequences.

Death is the results of Sin; no scientist nor prison will ever change that

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Mzabalazo

What would I do if my partner cheat? First step I will get tested, then deal with the results, either get treatment and counsilling, yes I would be devastated, but will find a way to cope. Secondly, I will let the culprit know that he has infected me and stop the relationship. If luckly enough I am negetive, I will still fire the culprit and move on. If a person risk their lives they should do it alone they must not involve innocent people. I am raising this issue because people jump to the conclusion that cheaters should be forgiven. Well that is a personal matter, if you decide to forgive that is your choice and risk, but we should not be telling people or expecting every person to forgive a cheating partner, whether they are marrried or not. I for one will not allow a person to getaway with ruining my life, my child's life, and the lives of my freinds and relatives who love me, who will have to pick up the pieces of my broken heart.
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SeshegoGuY

Mzabalazo and BlackLion

I couldn't have said it better than what u 2 posted.

100% agree!!!!!!!!!!
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Mzabalazo

BlackLion

What sin? Do you want to tell me that animals were living forever before the fairytale of sin? Do you want to tell me that trees, flowers, insects, bacteria, worms were living forever? What proof or evidence would you support that? Death is a natural process, nothing has ever been alive forever, even the sun dies, so what sin did these other living things committed, as they all eventually die?
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Palsah

errrrr.... Not that im offended but let me just point it out that im NOT from zone1, Im a proud resident of ZONE 4 (Beach park & all)

well it could also mean that the Pastor did not raise his kids very well, u know how some of them can be dictators ka mo ntlong "in the name of God". Yes u right some crimi.nals always use that excuse about their childhood for their crimes but that just shows u that we live with Psycho-paths in this world
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And it looks like there is nothing we can do to change it hey..i have tried praying now my knees are swollen
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Garang

@Mzabalazo...you will have to pick up those broken pieces yourself. To avoid all these problems, stay away from men which is not possible again because nature dictates.
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JozibelXXX

@Mzabalazo
you sounded like a scientologist with all your theories...I live in the real world and deal with real issues. Men cheat because their women do not satisfy them, women are pushed to cheat because their husband do not fulfill nor respect them and or cheat openly.
I as a W*h*ore serve the needs those h@rny men who do not get it the way they want it at home. To avoid situations like this ---married couples should talk about s@x and what makes them happy sexu@lly...when i ask the men i sleep with why they come to buy ---things like my w!fe is not adventurous, she likes the missionary position and i like doggy style or woman-on-top!! when i tell her to dunuza - she say she is not a wh@re!! Sex is communication by right ---even if there are problems in the marriage - when you connect they dissolve as if were discussed verbally!!
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Skopokopo

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Skopokopo
My man cheated on me, i kept saying things will be right. Then one day i met a wonderful friend we exchanged numbers nd he will sms me. I started not to worry about his cheatings that's when he started to think im cheating whereas i was not. One day he took my pone and found the messages. All hell broke looose, he was so heartbroken forgeting how he has broken me.
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like i said gal banna ba domm
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True gal, he is still hurting on it, he has felt the pain that was hitting me with his cheatings.
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Garang

@Mzabalazo..sori, the sun does not die...the moment when you do not see it, its just that it will be behind you....Lol.

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BlackLion

There is nothing that is a sin, there is wrong and right according to people's values and that of the wider society, and we have been jugding ourself on those basis up until we evolved the kingdoms that dectated what our values should be. Then we got colonised and new values we dictated upon us, some were strange and others were similar to our own values that includes the interpretation of wrong behaviour as a sin, we also adopted the Roman Dutch Law which legislated what is and what is not accepted. But other than that the sin philosophy is just a story of the Hebrews and their God, luminated by both Moslem and Christian religion. People have been dying ever since they evolved/appeared/began, just like everything else, there is no sin that k#illed people, its just your religious interpretation of events, trying to make sense of death and life just like the ancient people did, infact sin is just a superstition.
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rasefatee

Aooo beautiful boys your mom is a bitchx RIP
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Skopokopo

Garang
@Skopokopo---You were already cheating on him. What smses was that friend send across to you? Obviously they were containing some connotations that pointed on you two being an item. Basop!!! you can be k..illed by these men.
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Yes, the smses where raising eyebrows but we were not involved, they only shifted me from himt. As soon as he realised im no more fighting him for his behaviour, he was on me!
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Palsah

Mzabalazo
you sounded like a scientologist with all your theories...I live in the real world and deal with real issues. Men cheat because their women do not satisfy them, women are pushed to cheat because their husband do not fulfill nor respect them and or cheat openly.
I as a W*h*ore serve the needs those h@rny men who do not get it the way they want it at home. To avoid situations like this ---married couples should talk about s@x and what makes them happy sexu@lly...when i ask the men i sleep with why they come to buy ---things like my w!fe is not adventurous, she likes the missionary position and i like doggy style or woman-on-top!! when i tell her to dunuza - she say she is not a wh@re!! Sex is communication by right ---even if there are problems in the marriage - when you connect they dissolve as if were discussed verbally
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JozibelXXX are u saying you are a Wh@re by profession?? Well i think i have learnt alot from you..Generally ALL MEN DOGS, so we always say, forgetting that sometims as women we fail to deliver our conjugal duties..the diffrence we have here is that men have a huge sexual drive/libido in comparison to women..sometimes it is just too hard to keep up hey..
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Garang

Every star dies, our sun is the star and it will die, not in our life time. Right now one of the biggest Sun Canis majos is dying.There are many suns that are dead or dying and other are born, this happens in our galaxy as well as in hundred billion galaxies known to humans.

The lifespan of a star/sun is between 4 to 6 billion minimum, so our sun will die just like it was born after its "mother sun died. And when our sun dies it will give life to a new sun for the next life, just like a fruit with a seed in a tree, when the fruit fall it eliminated from the mother plant, it gets no food, it dies, but the seed will germinate and give another chance for survival a continuois cirlce , whether the circle is forever no one knows, people give different theories which cannot be proven just like the theory of sin.
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full.lips

@ Mzabalazo

I hear you sista. I was cheated on, my husband of 5 years decided to cheat whilst I was away on maternity leave (my mom's place). I stayed there for 4 months with a new baby, men are selfish while I was having sleepless night, breastfeeding and dealing with post-natal depression , he was f*cking around. To cut the story short, I eventually found out ( sms) phone the skank he was scr*wing and she confessed everthing. I was on the verge of losing my mind, the shame, blame, guilt,betrayal, low self esteem , every pain you could imagine. It took me everything to forgive him, to move on and build on the relationship again. I ha.ted him, loath the intamacy but with time I healed, nothing can rebuild that trust but forgiveness is key. I took him back under 2 conditions, you repeat ur sh*t , I am leaving with my our two kids or I also take someone on the side.......hehehehe you should saw his blood boiling.
Because Karma has it's way, I found comfort in the arms of my ex bf, we met during my healing period and rekindled our love since then, hubby is still mine but never cross a woman.
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Jozibelxx

Those are your values, and that is fine by me. But saying that only your values reflect the real world is not true, they reflect your opinion, your socialisation and choices. This world we live in is not a one size fit all. If you thing we are to do things the way you do them, then I doubt that you live in a rea;l world love. choices make different and accommodating other people's choices makes people live in a real world. I accommodate your choice of remaining with a cheat infected or not, believe me that is not wrong, I do not judge you, but you fail to accommodate my choice, you expect me to do the way you do things. My choice is also not wrong or stupid , but it reflect my socialization and values. PS: I am not a sceintoligists, I do not belong to a dogma. Learn to accommodate differences, that does not mean you agree with me but mine is living in a real world, just like anybody.
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full.lips

When a woman is fed up**** singing to R.Kelly
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Palsah

hhahahahaha..Full.Lips u hv made my day..u knw it is so exciting to hear that we share similar problems as women..Mara why did u decide to go and drown ur sorrows with ur ex, Two wrongs dont make a right remembe?? lol..Well i cant say im innocent myself, my boyfriend also cheated on me while i was pregnant.. To get my revenge i kinda " hit it off" with my driving school instructor..and my heart got all the healing it needed..In short, Men drive us to the edge shem..
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Garang

Do not think if you live in a lonely world with no relative support, everyone does. When things fall apart some of us have relatives who are open minded and supportive, we share probl;ems and discuss issues and we respect each others choices. We do not dictate our opinions and values to each other, we agree to dissagree and that my man is what revolve in my world. We pick up each other's pieces and we shelve our differences in my world, something you might not even have in yours that is why you do not understand.
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fi.gal

bomme ba bangwe mare,jaanong bana ba ile ka ntlha ea bogagapa jwa gagwe
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AfroPanther

full.lips
When a woman is fed up**** singing to R.Kelly
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You have issues with men.
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Femi

Very Tragic indeed.
Relationships!!! Aren't they complex? Sigh!!!
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Mzabalazo

Fulll.lips
Girlfriend that is a heart breaking story, thanks for sharing with me. What you did is not wrong, it is what works for you. I am glad that you are still attractive and well taken care of by someone who deserves you.I cannot set standards for anyone, because what works for one person might not work fopr the other, there is no one-size fit -all as some want us to believe. I am glad that you are happy where you are. Peace my dear.
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Garang

There tamed species of men, who will supress their natural animalist behaviour, just like dogs are tamed wolves, so I won't remain lonely or be forced to remain with apartheid-like type men like you who believe we ahve to accept all the rubbish shoved on us, Garang we are now equals, if you think it is right for men to be sleeping around you have to accept the opposite, accept your cheating w#ife/girlfriend and stay with them even if they are cheating, if you fail to do that then stop your imposing your uncooked Hitlerite- male chauvinist idelogy, this is the 21 century. I can tolerate your views and accept them but you have no right to push them down my throat, they are yours and those oppressed women who abide by them, not me, take care love, remember that the sun dies, all shooting stars are remnants of a dead star, remember that.
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Onu

@ Seshego: Wow! That is so sad, very Tragic hey. I understand where u are coming from. My Mom always say Nothing is ever fair in this world. We can never predict the future and cannot control what other people do to us---- We only can control our re-action and that is what will make us worthy
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Hey! its as u r toking to me, thanks bhuti..u dont have any idea of how ur words have opened my eyes... Thank you
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TKay

Why did he involved the innocent kids in these - he should have k!lled the biatch alone, now her biatcheness cost the life of kids...nxa!
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BlackLion

Mzabalazo

Why would you live to die? Is there common sense?

Life lived forever

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full.lips

@ Palsah

Yep, men can drive us to edge and you won't believe how many women share similiar experiences.

Ex BF - oh, he such a doll. He was there for me during the trying times, he was a shoulder to cry on, I poured my feelings to him without being judged ( unlike my girlfriends) actually he was the one who encouraged me to work on my marriage, he helped me to heal.
He understand & respect our stand point, he is also married with kids, no drama, calls late at night or weekends and definetely no jealously. Its just some fun of calls, sms, dates, during the working hours and a shag there & then....he keeps me insane and good for laughs.
Don't get me wrong I still love hubby, even more now because I saw the remorse and change in his behaviour , I sometimes feel guilty but in most times a woman can only take as much BS.

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AfroPanther

Maybe monogamy is not natural,even if you marry somebody,o tlo jewa whether you find out or not.
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BlackLion

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Let me not use the word sin because you scientific brain marries this word with religion.
You need to understand that a sin does not necessarily mean wickedness in biblical ideology; it also means ignorance of law; it could also mean negligence; etc.

Let’s try wrongful action to be precise; use an example of a swimmer who ignores a warning sign about Sharks and goes on to swim and dies. Is that evolution according to science?

Death and life are the only two things that can be depended upon

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BaleliM

full.lips
When a woman is fed up**** singing to R.Kelly
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there is nothing you can do about it... singing along
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LeratoMothopeng

son of a bitch< y dont he die on his own bastard
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BlackLion

full.lips; Palsah and others who share your opinion

I heard that some lines in computer programs are not executed because they are not triggered.

However, that does not mean those lines do not work; it could be that they were never triggered in that period.

So same with you; maybe you just didn’t realize that you were cheaters by birth until your boyfriends triggered that quality embedded in you.

Be responsible and stop blaming others for your shortfalls

We are all conscious of our actions; drunk or sober

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Mzabalazo

I really praise men who gainst all odds become faithful, because it is not that simple for male to be, that natural and it how we evolve. I wiil state the facts for my argument
1) Men produce billions of sp#erms everyday, according to the scientific journal men produce 1500 sp#erms per second. Now that is how nature works, these sp#erms need to be released, that is a fact and we cannot avoid it, in the stone age and iron age it was acceptable for men to have many wive#s and concubi#nes for this purpose( even amongst, As#ians,Middle-easterners and Europeans ) This is a challenge that males have. Why do males produce so many sp#erms? This will interests Black Lion, because it because of death. Most sp#erms die, the opposite of what we might think, the woman's cervix is the most unfriendly and dangerous terraces for sp#erms, once the sp#erm enter that area, the immune system of a woman detect and invasion of foreign bodies, that are no different than germs and most sp#erms are k#llied by the immune system, some that survive never reach the egg because of lack of energy, and amongst the few who reach the egg most of the time only one healthy , energetic sp#erm will fertilize the egg. This means when sp#erms are released not every sp#erm will result in and me, that means no God knows which sp#erm will survive and fertilize the egg, unless we want to say God even protect and guide a certain sp#erm to fertilize a certian egg. It is a jig saw puzzle. Coming back to us women, we only manufacture one of two eggs per month . That means naturally we are not always in heat, when males are always in heat, ready to pass on their genes.Having said that we live in a modern world, so we have a choice to choose the self-tamed male species, those who have the skill of supressing the need to fertilize every women they are attracted to, especially when they ovulate. This brings me to another conclusion, that means if my parent did not decide to have sex precisely, on a certain munite, day, month, I wouldnt have been concived, because everyone dead or alive, is equal to a certain sp#erm released on a certain time and a egg released on a certain month.If the would have decide to have sex a day before or days later, whoever was going to be concieved wouldnt have been me. So would it have been possible for a God to know that I will be me? Never, unless if we say God dectates or influences the time, the spe#rm and an egg that will be released and when they are released. That is a big lotterey, in short not every sp#erm would have contributed to be me and not every egg would contributed to fuse with a any spe#rm to making me . If God was involved in our making, my father will have had one spe#rm instead of billion sperms competing for survival, and the woman will have one egg. ie one sper#rm in a sack per sex, not billions for one moment of sex. Billion sp#erms only proves one thing, that nature doesnt know which spe#rm will make it, so it needs to produce billions just to fertilize one egg.That is a lottery.
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BlackLion
Mzabalazo

Why would you live to die? Is there common sense?

Life lived forever
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BlackLioon

Why would you hope to live forever when you know that you will die? Is there commons sense?

Life is lived once and for limited period of time, that is a fact of life.
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Blacklion

The word sin is just the word Ohmy God, it doesnt necessary mean all people use it are calling God or believe in God.Ther are lot of atheists who are socialised to use it as figure of speech, But the fact is as simple as the fact about the origin of the word sin or evil. They might not be used only religiously, but their originality is religious. That is a fact boyfriend and you usage of the word is religiously" finish and klaar", so said the frmr Comm of Police Jackie Selebi.
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Blacklion

Qoute me one legislative that uses the word sin instead of crime, or offence?
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Blacklion

I meant to say qoute me 1 legislation that uses the word sin instead of offence/wrongdoing or crime?
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BlackLion

Your questions are just not making it. If you you swim in a shark infested waters will that prove that you are created by God? Or if you break the law of physics, let's say gravitational force and you fall and die does that prove you are cretaed by God? What does creatinism has to do with breaking the the law or putting your life at risk?
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BlackLion

If you break the law whether natural law or legislative law knowingly it only proves one thing : that you are dumb, it neither proves creationism nor evolution.
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BORGANDAZ

I WOULDNT HAVE TAKEN MY LIFE LET ALONE MY KIDS FOR THIS STUPID WOMAN OH HELL NO!!!! (UMUNTU MAKAYIFELE MAN)
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Blacklion
Death is the absence of life in something/person that once had one. Why is that? It is how it is and it will never change.

If you want to unravel the 419 of life after death, ask your question why should you be rewarded with good life when you are not even in a position to experience it, when you are dead? When there will be no witness to that? That is 419, you invest your money in a fake company and they will give it to in 3 weeks when it has multiplied by 10000000000, they know they would have closed the office and dissappeared. That boyfriend is a false promise. Read Paul in Thessalonica:

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up <726> together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Now tell me boyfriend, did Jesus come when Paul was alive? Did Paul go to the clouds alive and meet Jesus? This is pure daybroadlight 419. Paul died he never saw Jesus in the clouds coming, let alone go with lost followers to the cloud, he died, the fact that you are running away from is that people die and never go anywhere. Now can you see that Paul was decieved by the belief of going to heaven and live there thinking he is so special than the rest of us, he wont die, he died, and is no more not in heaven.

The second 419, the bible claim Jesus was murdered in public, but when he raises to life it happen is secret, when he goes to heaven he raises in the clouds he is in a high position yet only the few delluded follewrs see him. does that make sense? Can an shuttle be shot up into the air in public and only be seen by few delluded astronomers? Does that make sense? That is a 419, anotehr 419 is Mohammed he doesnt die instead he taken to heaven from a less holy place inJerusalem, instead of the most Holy place Mecca why? 419, because there were people in Mecca so they would have witness such a great action so let's say he was taken from the Jerusalem Mosque, where no one will confirm. I really do not understand such reasoning, it never add on, never.
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zaco

Blacklion

howzit brother...i see these mares are trying to slay you.....

you are the king of the jungle, i bet they wont win..hahahaha!
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No, it will prove that ignorance of law is no excuse and that there will be consequences.

Your frustration about religious beliefs has nothing to do with me; and just to add on, I was not reasoning from a biblical perspective.

Whether it’s called a sin, wrongful action, crime, etc; fact is that all of them defy laws put into place and there will be consequences; Simple as that.

As for life, it shall continue to exist while you perish

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Blacklion
I know that life will continue without me as it was before but I wonder if you are still decieved by Paul thinkiong you will never perish as you do not include youiself, just as many denialist do.
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Budapat

SOWETAN = A JEALOUS husband set alight his two children and himself, after allegedly finding his VROU in bed with another man.

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DAILY SUN = "wonder where do these two editors come from, tjo!!"
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full.lips

@ Zaco --- truth hurts.

@ Mzabalazo
Big ups to you sista, u are so wise I have personally learned a thing or two from you today.
I especially your take on spermies & eggs although this must not condone cheating spouses.
The consequences are severe like killing of the entire families by men or contracting some nasty d*seases. We are human and should learn how to contain our insticts.
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zaco

Greetings my brother

I have high regard for women and those that do not have essence will never change my stand towards others who have.

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BalckLion

Like I said the question you asked me was not relevant to what I was talking about, as there is nowhere in my post where I said/encouraged or claimed that people who break the law will not reap the consequences, that is why, my answer is that when one breaks the natural law/ laws of physics or the legislation knowingly will be dumb. As for the frustration boyfriend is not even in my sub-conscious, I am cool and collected, nothing is frustrating me, this is just nothing but sharing,.Sorry if I struck a nerve, I did not think that you are that sensitive, I genuenely apologise if my views are that harsh, I mean no harm, and I do not want to create enemies. If you feel that bad I will restrain from responding to your post, even though I wil be tempted. Hardy Joe, hayikabi, ayidl'iyishiyele. Peace.
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BlackLion

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I do not fear death, so that is not a concern for me. I don’t know where I was before and that also did not worry me. It’s actually being alive amongst such human that worries me the most.

So with your tree theories, maybe you should do the same and clone yourself before you perish.

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BlackLion

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No need, I take no offence to opinions. It was the word SIN that made you to retrieve archived ideologies.

Beings sensitive proves that there is life in me

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Full.lips

Like I said girlfriend, we have the right to choose the tamed men, they exist, we do not want those who are still stuck in the past.The wordl is well populated so what else? I wont condone that girlfriend, but I try to understand why people do things the way they do. its just like feeling empathy for a street kid who stole because of hunger, but not supporting the act of stealing. Do not worry girlfriend, there a lot of tamed men.Remember that men also select their companions because of certain traits, so that is what we also should be doing. Thanks, though some people take my post personal, I really do not want to antagonise pratrons, but at the same time I cannot compromise my own understanding. I also welcome anyone to criticise my veiws in the spirit of discussions not war. Peace girl.
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BlackLion
This has nothing to do with either being Men or Women.

Cheating is not a good thing at all and no amount of so called reasons will ever justify that. It really does not matter who says what; the truth is that cheating is not attribute of Love.

People must stop entering into sacred communion for financial reasons.

Falling in Love is similar to having a close relationship with the Creator; you break that communion, you are bound to suffer serious consequences.

Death is the results of Sin; no scientist nor prison will ever change that

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As much as I have accepted not to continue with issue, Iam boggled why my analogy on the word sin causes confusion. My argument is based not only on the word itself but on the context of the post too.
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It’s probably the statement “Death is the results of Sin; no scientist nor prison will ever change that” that caused confusion. Right away you thought of Christianity because you have issues with it.

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The above argue if I not not getting the facts wrong that the result of death on this issue is due to one breaking a sacred communion which is compared to a relationship with the creator. Serious consequences are suffered by those who break this communion , then death is the resun of sin, and this situation can neither be solved by a scientist nor a police. Up till now I do not see where the legislative laws nor the natural laws been affected or broken. And with the natural law or the legislative laws the consequences are are suffered by all those who are caught when breaking the law( unless in the legislative law when one can be corrupted or show unfair favours for certain chosen ones, but the laws of physics has no chosen ones.) And if my memory serves me correctly there are a lot of people break the marriage vows not once twice but three times and they are still alive and happy. I am not in favour of such things but I am trying to see how wrong I was in my presentation. Creator/communion/sarced communion/ death is the result of sin, maybe I was wrong but this sound religious rather than legislative.

My response in short says the word sin is superstitious and is religious.
The next response says sin, and oh My God can be used either way but basically they are derived from religion. The last response says: where is in any legislation/law is the word used

How then have I messed up? This is not for anyone to respond, but I wanted to reflect publicly on the discussion and see if I have been hard unfairly or I have misrepresented what I was respondin to. I still do not see anyawy I have used the word sin out of context of the argument. No offence meant to anyone.
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Blacklion

I do not wish to continue my brother. as it will not help any of us I have gone to your post 3 x, word by word , I see no legislative law punishing anyone on your post, I see religious punishment which has just selected this man out of so many cheaters and I think it cannot be right for us to be going on with this as it neither benefit you or me, all I am happy for is that I have apologisied for making you feel the way you felt and secondly I am glad that I find no fault in my handling the sin issue. Maybe the next blog will not cause some stuff. Thanks for the engagement and that there were no insults( unless if my stand on religion is an insult,honestly it was not intended to that)
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PolotiKhal

Kids have nothing to do with a man being failed by his woman, Fathers STOP, I repeat STOP killing the children, if you can't please your woman Killing the kids is not going to solve anything you small minded, selfish, irresponsible, useless Animal!! No wonder your woman doesn't find you man enough!!
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BlackLion

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You misread my post and so you know, I am not a Christian.

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To me religion any religion represent foggery and superstions that are not foundend, I find religion suffocating progress, and keeping our minds docile as it doesnt want to be challenged, any religion I do not choose or have preferance neither do I have respect for its dogma and lies that keep the world in perpretual servitude of a non-productive ancient idealogy. But I h#ate no one practicing or in favour of any religion. I have stated a thousand times that my beloved father is a preist and my twin brother is doing his second year in theology. These Christains I love them dearly, and the accommodate me as me , and I do the same. But when a topic or an opinion comes up we discuss and argue and finally agree that we disagreee and leave things as they are. This has been going on for years.The only person I do not discuss with religion is my mother because she becomes immotionally and cries, so I avoid upsetting her, so when I am at parents home and ma starts to talk negetively I just respectfulllly leave their hose and come back when she is not highly intoxicated by religion.

Christians or any other legal religion has the right to practice and discuss their beliefs and I do not look at them as having an issue with my atheist stance, I see them as people expressing their delluded faith that is based on Hebrew Jewish/European fairy tales. They themselves cannot be offended by my analysis of them as they also believe and hold views that I am been possessed by the devil himself, the percieve me as a girl from hell, that doesnt hurt me because I know that they are entitled to their opinion and most importantly I know that what they believe is just a belief, it is not true, there is no Devil so that does not insult me, how can I be hurt by been called by something that was never and will never be there. So guys chill out my stance is not changing your beliefs, just take it as I do, that what I am talking about is not true and ion non-existant, that might work better. Because I cannot help myself when people post religious dogma as a fact, I react. Right know I have had a hot correspondance with Moslems and two years ago most of them were insulting me when we started because of calling Mohammed , Mohammed as they were insisting that I should call him the Prophet Mohammed and my argument was that to me the word prophet is supestitious so I do not use it as a title to adress a person unless distinguishing them for the others. Right now my agrument with them is that The Syrian resistanece is not fair to blame the international community on their issues, as the international community is lead by ungodly infidels. My argument is that why they do not blame Allah who has powes more than the international infidel whom the koran says should be kill3d. When things get better they wont praise the international community but the lazy Allah who does nothing for them and himself accept isseing orders and promises of virgins in paradise. So that is me . i am called a heatheh worst of all a kaff1r by Moslem but that doesnt bother me because that is also not real but superstitious, unless if there was a God that would hurt me , now I know that it their false belief. That is me. I avoided so many topics for so many months I think since last year. I have been engaging with the Moslem community some they want my address and I know what that might mean.That is me,
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Blacklion

I apologised for thinking that you are Christian, but I have no prefarence nor do I differentiate when it comes to dogma, whether it comes from a non-practising religous person of any faith or past faith. I ha#te no one. I am just challenging theories that are expected that we should accept as facts without any proof
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samuelsentsho

What happened is sad, i mean if you are a man when solution comes you have to act.Some times woman is a woman vise- vesa man is a man...when coming to religeous this thing do not go hand in hand...soul meant for soul and earth meant earth.. to be born for the second times is not child thing..understand it is a fact once uyo decide you act that it is..your soul rest in peace...
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Sithandile123

VERY SAD he was my collegue Mawillis as we called him :(
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Osirus

The couple went through marriage counselling and church prayers, but none of them helped...

How on earth will praying to a european white god called jehovah help with black african people's matters???
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SHLAHLASOMDLOTHI1

IT IS VERY SAD,WHY KILING THE CHILDREN NOT THT BASTARD WOMEN.YA ABAFAZI!!
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Blacklion
I appreciate your concern about my death, I can understand why it is an issue that I perish, but that to me neither an issue or a conern and most religious people are quick in saying those who do not hold their view will perish as if they do not perish. Why are you so obsessed with my death, it perplexes me this affixiation with my death. Well if you have done your research well you would have realized that my clone will not be me but a clone/copy of me with its own mind and experience even though it has exact properties of me. A clone is not a solution for death and I wonder why you are so obsessed with all this, is because you are so desparetely wanting to live forever? The clone will not do that for you.
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SekgamaSaZille

Mara how is guy called a "JEALOUS"husband. Can you pfucken believe it?
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vusomujo

basadi bothle ke difebe all women cheat on their husbands and boyfriends it's only that they ur never caught and so the cases ur not recorded like that of men who ur always caught.cheating means u were caught chaeting but if u ur never found then u never cheated.i bet tpaz cheats on her spouse
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Paleesay

NGOANA O SHAPWA KA BOKHOPO BA MOTSOADI OA HAE...HAI MARA SUM PARENTS NXA. RIP BABIES
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mxosheni

poor kids ey.. sad one indeed

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Vusomujo

I have never seen or heard of a sane person insulting his mother, Vusomujo your mother is mosad#i/woman , your grandmother is mosa#di. How can you do that to the people who nourished and raised you to be what you are today? How do you sleep at night when insulting your parents for no apparent reason?" All women cheat on their husbands and boyfriends.", that is degrading every women on earth, those who you know and those who you don't.When you see a woman whether you know their history or you dont, you ses a whor#e.
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Leovandexhosa

Dude ur own Kids pho! Benzeni bona mara joe.. and to some idiots this is way beyond man cheating on who and woman cheating on who.. u Morrons! nxa Clearly u the bunch that just shav ur brains inbetween ur legs.. everything is abt infidelity to u!..
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Very sad indeed its sad that the children died for no reason at all. I wonder how we can rationalise this, it cannot. What does religion says about these innocent young victims, not only these but millions around the world? Some kids as we speak are sold into slavery, some as young as 9 are sold as sex slaves for pedophiles, some are betrothed to 60 to 70 year old greasely males whom most of them are religious. It has beed a daily occurance that a child or children become victims of a suicidal mother of father. Some kids are raped by their fathers, uncles, neighbhours and a family friend, when others are molested by their brothers. Imagine how this report on this paper is so unimaginably hard to digest, how much could we be able to take if we were to be in a position to see all these acts of cruelty happening on children in every country all at once with our naked eyes? What about the powres that we are told have the privilages of seeing these acts take place, they see these acts when they are still in the minds of the perpetrators, before they get to be executed. Some of these powers we are told are YHWH, Jesus, Allah, and the new one in the blog called the Universe( law of attraction, promoted by the Sarah's book The secret , and Ophra), how do these gods manage to look at these kids been tortured to death in so many ways? What is that touches these Gods to act on behalf of these poor souls? How true is it that they have the love for their creation ? What is their invested interests in people's problems? All I see from them is the obsession with controlling the humans to honour them, whilst they are lazy , enjoying prayers and songs that are sang to them all over the world. What logic is there for humans to believe these guys are interested in their well being? Why do these Gods behave worse than slave masters? All they do is promise and promise just like politicians and not deliver. These Gods have placed humans in a very violent planet, where volcanos, tsunamis, earthquakes and lightnings k#ill their creation for no reason, when they busting in heaven and or paradise enjoying themselves, The worst thing is that these guys do not even need money, food or housing , yet they have demanded humans to build them expensive mosques/temples/churches and Kingdom Halls, money they demand from humans never sieze to amaze me. What sense is there to be paying protection fee and praising mafias in heavens who do nothing to protect us? These guys are the most corrupt rulers of this world and looking at how they run their affairs on earth, I think they are not telling us the truth why the angel now labelled Satan the Devil rebelled against in heaven. why the angels in heavens decided to seek refuge on earth and marry human women, There is more that meet the eye about their demonising those who decided that they do not want to part of such an uncaring hierachy of Gods. This issue of the murdered children is going to be treated by these Gods the very same way they have treated the case of Rwanda, June 16, Syria uprising, 21st March 1960 and the genocide in Germany. They wiill only ask their representatives on earth to tell us that these kids are safe in heaven and enjoying real life. How can that be? Wont they be sent in hell to entertain these sadist Gods who like to torture their subjects with fire forever, some of these reps will be telling us that they are purgatory, some that they are waiting for the last horn in grave when all dead people will be raised. Their spokesmen and women will never agree about the where abouts of these kids. The time must come that humans should stop serving such tyrrants, blood thirsty and only serving their heavely/paradise interests at the expence of people who never asked to be created. How can we expect these Gods to deal with our issues fairly and intelligently when they failed to deal with a simple problem of two naked Arabs, the issue was about a simple misunderstanding of food and yet these Gods blew it out of proportion, so how can they deal with billions of people with billions of different problems? Their strategy is simple tell Moses and the rest to write a book and let them read and occupy themselves with and we will tell Mohhamed to write another book so as to keep them more busy, trying to compare the two books. And that heavenly trick worked, today we are still fighting against each other differing about how the bible should be interpreted and when some of us are fighting on how the koran should be interpreted. And this goes further because the fight crosses over to the fight by those who find the bible book been the right one agaainst those who say the koran was the last book so it the one we should follow. This will go on and whille the real issues that these Gods need to deal with remain untouched.
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Ayobas

I hope the wif-e and her nyatsi are happy for what they did. The wif-e should be blamed for all of this...
To the real men out there, please make sure that you don't go 100% when falling in love with her. In 2002 I nearly take my life because of loving too much, since then I've learned a lesson of not going all the way when meeting the one you think is your Miss Right.

The family are closed to me, since while I m working with the deceased's brother. It's sad, he did what he did because he didn't wanna see his boys been raised by a scumbag when he is gone.


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