Nooo Not him again on spotlight,cheating mmm...?? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mellow
LMAO so Mbhoro is a MINUTE MAN hahahaahahahahaha ouch my stomach is sore so ealry in the morning already hahaahahaaa
@Mbhoro Sir if you are capable of doing such incredible miracles as you claim why cant you bless yourself with a working TOOL and a STAMINA hahahahaha sorry i couldnt resist
The woman sounds crazy as well and her story doesnt really add up how can someone employ you without your consent? and actually end up working for him against you will? then go the whole 3min yards? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mpotjekegobotje
Sephiri se utolotjwe,yo o botja yola....Tjo,guyz watch out,basadi ba tla le senola! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
KHOROMMBI
Guys be serious...this makes me sick...using the namne of God in vain. Is the najme of God for entertainment. Mbhoro please....And U Sowetan... Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
KHOROMMBI
U can't avoid the wrath of God...I'm telling you...This no joke. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mosquer
False prophet, sefebe,liar. Nxa!!
I don't understand why people can't see Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
green2014
I don't sympathise with this woman, if her business is not doing well, there is something wrong with her business plan especially, cash flow projections, price/costing strategy, financial management, marketing strategy etc. She can climb her mountain of stupidity and pray till her voice is hoarse but the business will only recover if she takes corrective action and not fornicate with mboro. It is a positive thing to believe in something in life but you can't stop thinking or acting just because you have prayed, that's delusional. To me, although I don't believe in it, religion is there to give hope but not to perform miracles like jesus walking on water. That's an illusion because for that bugger to have been able to walk on water s/he would have to attain a speed of hundred km/h to compensate for the force of gravity. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
joyful
I believe you lady.....eh....PA.... and is a shame what people will do and do believe!
fact is no one owns God, every human being have equal access to God thru believing in Jesus's name! you do not need anyone to perform special deliverance, God is not deaf and HE knows u, there is no need to do all this things!
too sad that people have this tendency to "believe" these miracle workers! Report Abuse
I know de gal, she is a bitch who is after money. now dat everything went 2 a smoke, she is talking nonsence. “Mbhoro” is a FAKE and people continue to listen to his liars.
I don't blame him if he is having sex with these girls, they allowed him to touch their vigina in the first place. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Reyataz
The man is making a killing, getting believers to pay R70 as admin fee to see him perform miracles. Ah, the power of a positive mind-placebo effect! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Kganjor
How can a man of God pray for women a ba phoplophotha. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
joyful
I didn't even know he was married! what about kids, does he have any? what kind of example is he setting?
who is his wife? why does she not appear on his shows?
anyway, I do hope this is an eye opener ..........I just hope people do see!
u do not need anyone to "take you to God" ....... you can take yourself to before HIS throne, and it cost nothing! until people learn to do that, they will keep on loosing their money and dignity! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Serene
This story does not add up. there is too much smoke in here. There are lots of things this woman is not telling....anyway she was sleeping with Mbhoro when Mbhoro was still married y cry that he was shagging other girls coz she one of the girls too? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Kaylae
Mbhoro and your lady you are such a bore.now you say he is a 3min man but you agreed to be shagged by a married man and to top it all your pastor.both of you must go where the sun doesn't shine.We need real stories sowetan not this nonsense Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mosquer
Kganjor
How can a man of God pray for women a ba phoplophotha.
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A man of God...?????? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
nevus
yha ausi you've been enjoying those three minutes all along now that its over o batla re tsebe?you and mbhoro must go to hell its non of our business gore bosatan ba etsang behind closed doors. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
MaLindo
i don't know her but would believe her and the Albeton Mcdonald know this guy very well. One time i took my daughter for lunch at Mc D and found Mboro there with almost 5-6 young gal who look like the came from a club all dirty and stuff he bought them food and he was all over one of the chick, she looked like the ring leader and got out all into Mboro's car and let with his bodyguards Weird i tell you. If this man claim his a man of God, his one with no respect for himself. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
vilavoco
Ziyadliwa lezingane ngabafundisi kulibe kuthiwa Personal Assistant. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
mamaThando
Sies ntombazane how can u even kiss that man awuzithandi wena kuqala nxa! slept him now you running to the media as for Mboro stop ur nonsense, claiming that you can help people sies maan Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Nasty-Bis
@ KHOROMMBI
For the first time i hear you make a comment with some sense in it
Im proud of you bra,thats a sing of growth.
People musnt play with Lord Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
masepa
The story sound more like a smear campaign. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
masepa
@MaLindo
Are you saying he must not be seen with little dirty girls and buy them food? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mdav
Mbhoro is but a humanbeing and has all the features. He is displaying them thru actions..... Whether u a profet,doctor, nurse,president or officers, you 'll do this. Get me right, I'm not saying it is right.......People wish they were in his position! Jelaa!
Hlaba Mbhoro hlaba.......Ziyaletha izfetshana lezi........Nomunye nomunye usebinzisa ithuba alitholile........Kuphela nje dont' videotape! an let them talk.......... Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
ladygaga
oho now that dilo a di sa tsamaya sharp o mmuwa gampe, hai mara some ppl....
lol @ this statement 'I told him it was a sin to have sex before marriage. He said we should do it and then apologise.” bwahahahahhaha mbhoro ke tsotsi hahhahahahah im sure he slept with all his assistants already Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
cobol
@ all . you can say what ever you want about u-mbhoro but theres no one like him.sunday world is trying by all means to tarnish his image but im telling you you will never survive.give up sunday world this is the son of god .you can print wrong things about him everyday but im telling you that will nerver change us from being his followers.look sunday world if you need stories to up your sales simply come to our church on sunday , im telling you you will get good heart warming stories for the next coming 100 years that you can print on a daily base and your journalists will earn 4 times what they making . Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
KHOROMMBI
Nasty-biss, thyank you man. As a born-again christian, it pain me when people use our Lord's name in vain. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
SmartMoa
Mbhoro ke sefebe fela se berekisang lebitso la Morena Jeso in vain. People are so lost. Batho ba tlo tlogela neng go fora ke baruti ba maaka ba berekisang ke sathane like bo Mbhoro? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Grootman!
Big Ups to Mboro! That's a way to go broer! If someone wants favours by offering sex, 'eat them'. I'll also do the same if some foolish woman comes to me with her sh!t and start telling me about the problems she's having. She had evil intentions and Mboro beat her to it.
Business problems needs business solutions! 3 minutes or less, fact is, he 'ate' her, and her estranged husband knows about it! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
matzzzzz
some women dnt love themselves..HOW CAN U SLP WITH SUCH A CREATURE TO START WITH SIES!!! ..what a disgrace.. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
NATAL
@Cobol, you are one of the decieved innocent ppl of God. Leave Mboro's church before it is too late. He is a false Prophet can't you see. Why your prophet specialises in healing the problems of private parts. Why would a true prophet uses water, petrolium jelly, and satinary pads etc for healing, why the tangeable things. Because biblical we are only allowed to apply olive oil not all of the above. I have see the episodes on Soweto TV, lately you sing more about Mboro than you do about God. I heard that Queen Iyaya Sesoko is one of the junior prophets there, I trust she is now born again christian to hold such an important position at church. The bible warned us that the false prophets in nthe last day will perform many miracles to deveive many, so don't be deceived by seeing Mbhoro performing miracles that is not the sign that he is a true prophets, the bible says they will manage to perform such miracles assisted by the powers of darkness, the bible says they will also call the name of another Jesus, so don't be decieved just because a false prophet do call the name of Jesus. The bible says we will distinguish between the true and false prophets by their fruits. Check Mbhoro's fruits...... Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
nevus
what a stupid woman she hanged her dirty linen in public(as per Gigolo) Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Ntotoemonate
Morning All, Ke tshwere ke "Ntoto Babelaas". Le re Mboro o entseng? I am too lazy to click on the sunday world link. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
sh!tFaceSamsung
"....I could feel his manhood was aroused and I froze with fear."
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hahahahaha eish women: sometimes crazy nehh: or want to tarnish the image of mbhoro
Ntotoemonate - Ke tshwere ke "Ntoto Babelaas"
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are u trying to tell us, got it all 2 in one over the weekend 'alcohol + sex' Report Abuse
@sh!tFaceSamsung, No man it was not 2 in 1, It was only rough s*x that I last had when we first met in 2005. I wonder who is the b*tch that made him get his groove back. U know bo makhwapheni strenghthens the home. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mybra
Maar okusele u MBHORO ukudlile wena. Mzalwane. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mybra
Now Sowetan must get us the three minutes video yalomfundisi edla ibandla e pulpit yakhe.
Sister, you knew that he is married but still went ahead. So now the sh!t has hit the fan, we must symphatise. It is not our fault that he is 3minute man and not the stallion you thought he is. Since he helps guys with their vuvuzelas so you thought he will be singing "all nithg long" with you ko dikobong.
Funny, o kwatetse ho*re ha o nyatsi No.1 hona le ba bang........ Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Papage
Eish ke Moruti o, ka mahlo a red, o kare o tsuba motokwane yo! women please, please, please stop been fooled like kids, why always put yourself in shit. hell knows, this is a women's month and these is what you do to yourself. this is disgusting to say the least, I am embarased, by both of you Elderly people. What about your childred, will they still respect you after this story? I feel sorry for the poor children who look up to their parents. God will never let you go unpanished, repent now Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Galfrend
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned! They can both go to hell! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
cobol
@ natal. correction there he does no specialise in healing problems of private parts and he is not a healer , jesus is the healer .mbhoro is just a bridge for you and me to connect to jesus . look people you can scream , shout , swear and call all this funny names but one thing for sure it ain't gonna change us . Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
G-ruff
Somebody is telling lies in this article. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mybra
A preacher once said a woman is a helper.
Any man, doing anything, will get a helper.
Even MBHORO gets help.
Ntotoemonate
if given any chance would u realy be happy to do it again le bo makwapheni Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
nevus
Mbhoro o ba je wena ha ba go phaphela,every last Sunday of the month most of them had new tight outfits ko kerekeng to impress the pastor.And the competition will be between the married and young ladies rona they dont even notice that we exist all of them want the loud man infront of us.Am gonna be a pastor le nna will be wearing expensive suits and driving a nice car and chowing a lot kuku than the king. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
4biko
@Cobol - do you think that the Mboro is genuine?
My view - the girl allowed Mboro to use her. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mybra
The real victim in this whole story is Mapaseka's wife.
Incredible things are hjappening in her life.
The husband is cheating on her.
Congregants who call her "Mamfundisi" are sleeping with her hubby.
Incredible indeed! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Galfrend
Cobol-Im curious dude,what exctaly happens in that church.I hear you guys dont read the bible is that true?And why do you write God with a small letter g?Im just curious my dear,please break it down for me,do people really give birth to fish and stones,do people really get healed there? Report Abuse
@Galfrrend
I have seen the guy on tv a few times - i have never seen him give a proper sermon.
Fish and stone stories are just plain lies - Where was the fish? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mybra
Galfrend
Cobol-Im curious dude,what exctaly happens in that church.I hear you guys dont read the bible is that true?And why do you write God with a small letter g?Im just curious my dear,please break it down for me,do people really give birth to fish and stones,do people really get healed there?
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@Galfrrend
I have seen the guy on tv a few times - i have never seen him give a proper sermon.
Fish and stone stories are just plain lies - Where was the fish?
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Where was the fish? You tell us.
4biko-Have you ever heard him qouting some verses from the bible?
About Fish and stones,well thats what they call miracles a kere...lol Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mybra
When this married mzalwane felt the man of god's aroused manhood, she froze with fear.
So, she was a frozen fearful turkey. Always frozen and fearful?
Lying spirit!
4BIKO-Oh I got you wrong.You mean you have NEVER seen him give a proper sermon,thought you said you have seen him give a proper sermon.My bad.
Thats the thing,I have never seen him qoutng verses from the bible,all he "preaches"about is vuvuzelas and biscuits. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Preacher
MBHORO does actually read the bible. Even satan quoted the bible at Jesus Christ of Nazareth in the wilderness. Reading from the bible is no evidence that a man is called of God. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
4biko
my knowledge of the scripture is better than this Mboro guy...
A friend of mine likes to say - Baloi ga ba sale ko magaeng - ba bula dikereke. They want benefits. HaHAHA!
Mboro - boloi fela. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Galfrend
Preacher-NO ONE said reading the bible IS evidence that a man is called of God. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
spokowee
Sesi wee sale wa bona kae ngaka e kalafa, Mbhoro wa tshogelwa moes cos kemo o kgona go dira for 3minutes, o rata dilo maan o laile setlaela ke wena. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Preacher
Galfrend
Preacher-NO ONE said reading the bible IS evidence that a man is called of God
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You did not say so my sister. But there are people who believe that. Honestly.
“Three minutes for him is too much when we have sex.”
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mmhhhhhhhhh, it seems most women are starving out there. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
4biko
ntshware-ke-yawa
“Three minutes for him is too much when we have sex.”
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mmhhhhhhhhh, it seems most women are starving out there
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They blame stress... i think it is the food/diet mordern men eat. I know a lot of unhappy women
@LOVESUCKS
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Controversial “prophet” and pastor Paseka “Mbhoro” Motsoeneng is learning that hell hath no fury like a woman cheated on.
Mbhoro has allegedly been getting to “know” his patient and personal assistant Olipha Dube-Modiga in the biblical sense behind his wife’s back.
Now the extra-marital affair has backfired and is the subject of a police matter after Mbhoro laid charges of intimidation and crimen injury against her.
And Olipha is singing like a canary about their furtive dalliance, after making a statement to the Alberton police, she spilt the beans to Sunday World.
She alleges Mbhoro is a brittle-boned sissy who is being beaten up by his wife Mokgadi.
And though Mbhoro is well-endowed, he is not a marathon runner but a sprinter in bed.
“Three minutes for him is too much when we have sex.”
Other details are too graphic for publication.
“I asked myself why he can’t help himself because he claims to help other people,” she says.
Olipha says she first went to Mbhoro’s Incredible Happenings Church in Katlehong, Ekurhuleni in January in the hope of getting divine intervention when she was in need.
“I told him what my problem was and he said I had to be delivered from the demons that possessed me. He then prayed for me,” she says.
Olipha says Mbhoro asked her to come with him to his house in Alberton in Jozi so he could completely banish her evil spirits.
“I sat on the couch in his house and he came and sat on my lap with his legs around my body. He then asked me why my demon was not manifesting,” she says.
“He then pressed himself against me and I could feel his manhood was aroused and I froze with fear.
Olipha says Mbhoro asked her why she came to his church. “I told him I wasn’t well, my businesses weren’t doing well and that I had a relationship problem with my estranged husband.
“He said he would see what he could do and let me leave.
“A few days later he called me and asked me to come to his house again. He then asked me to accompany him to the bank.
“While in the car, outside the bank, he told me God had showed him what to do but he wouldn’t do it because he can’t ‘cook the food for another man’.
“I asked him if he loved me but he never said anything. I then told him I was leaving and he told me I was going to die,” she says.
She says a few days later he summoned her to his house again. Mbhoro sent two church members into the room in which she was waiting and they asked her if she was willing to ask God to give her the man He wants instead of her reconciling with her man. I told them I wanted Mbhoro to help me solve my problems with my partner and not to give me another man,” she says.
“They then asked: ‘What if God sent you to this church to find the man He had reserved for you?’ I ended up saying if that is God’s wishes I would accept it.
“And they asked what I would do if that man was Mbhoro.”
Olipha says she flipped her lid and tried to leave the house, but Mbhoro emerged and again threatened to curse her to death.
“I then apologised and left.”
Olipha says Mbhoro employed her as his personal assistant without her consent. She had continued attending his church, so she often found herself in his company.
“When he spoke on the phone he’d say: ‘No, speak to my PA’, give it to me and tell me what to tell them.”
She says they eventually struck up a relationship after Mbhoro confessed his undying love for her.
She says when she asked him where his wife was he told her they were in the process of divorcing because she ‘donder hom goed’.
“From there it was an everyday thing. He’d call and say: ‘Babe, do that thing you do to me.’He’d even park his car alongside the road so I could...”
She tells us how Mbhoro first asked her to go all the way.
“He said the things I did to him were amazing and he wanted to experience my ability when we go full steam. I told him it was a sin to have sex before marriage. He said we should do it and then apologise.”
She says their first sexual encounter was at his house and they used a condom.
Olipha says their relationship blew up when she discovered he was shagging other girls too.
“I told him I’m not prepared to share him with other people because I’m a Christian, so I dumped him and even left his church,” she says.
Olipha says he threatened to kill her if she went public about their affair. And in what she says was a bid to prevent her from exposing him, Mbhoro opened a case of crimen injuria and intimidation against her at Alberton police station on Tuesday.
Olipha was arrested and released on R500 bail.
She will appear at Germiston Magistrates’ Court on Wednesday.
“The police phoned me and said they wanted to ask me questions about my car. When I arrived there they arrested me for insulting and intimidating Mbhoro on Tuesday.
“The truth is I phoned him and told him I’d beat him too if he doesn’t stop preaching about me in church.”
Mbhoro ignored our calls and messages we left on his cellphones.
Police spokesperson Manaka Raphulu confirms Mbhoro opened a case of crimen injuria against Olipha, that she was released on R500 bail and that she will appear in court on Wednesday.
@lovesucks
here u go. le wena tlogela go beraka mandia
Controversial “prophet” and pastor Paseka “Mbhoro” Motsoeneng is learning that hell hath no fury like a woman cheated on.
Mbhoro has allegedly been getting to “know” his patient and personal assistant Olipha Dube-Modiga in the biblical sense behind his wife’s back.
Now the extra-marital affair has backfired and is the subject of a police matter after Mbhoro laid charges of intimidation and crimen injury against her.
And Olipha is singing like a canary about their furtive dalliance, after making a statement to the Alberton police, she spilt the beans to Sunday World.
She alleges Mbhoro is a brittle-boned sissy who is being beaten up by his wife Mokgadi.
And though Mbhoro is well-endowed, he is not a marathon runner but a sprinter in bed.
“Three minutes for him is too much when we have sex.”
Other details are too graphic for publication.
“I asked myself why he can’t help himself because he claims to help other people,” she says.
Olipha says she first went to Mbhoro’s Incredible Happenings Church in Katlehong, Ekurhuleni in January in the hope of getting divine intervention when she was in need.
“I told him what my problem was and he said I had to be delivered from the demons that possessed me. He then prayed for me,” she says.
Olipha says Mbhoro asked her to come with him to his house in Alberton in Jozi so he could completely banish her evil spirits.
“I sat on the couch in his house and he came and sat on my lap with his legs around my body. He then asked me why my demon was not manifesting,” she says.
“He then pressed himself against me and I could feel his manhood was aroused and I froze with fear.
Olipha says Mbhoro asked her why she came to his church. “I told him I wasn’t well, my businesses weren’t doing well and that I had a relationship problem with my estranged husband.
“He said he would see what he could do and let me leave.
“A few days later he called me and asked me to come to his house again. He then asked me to accompany him to the bank.
“While in the car, outside the bank, he told me God had showed him what to do but he wouldn’t do it because he can’t ‘cook the food for another man’.
“I asked him if he loved me but he never said anything. I then told him I was leaving and he told me I was going to die,” she says.
She says a few days later he summoned her to his house again. Mbhoro sent two church members into the room in which she was waiting and they asked her if she was willing to ask God to give her the man He wants instead of her reconciling with her man. I told them I wanted Mbhoro to help me solve my problems with my partner and not to give me another man,” she says.
“They then asked: ‘What if God sent you to this church to find the man He had reserved for you?’ I ended up saying if that is God’s wishes I would accept it.
“And they asked what I would do if that man was Mbhoro.”
Olipha says she flipped her lid and tried to leave the house, but Mbhoro emerged and again threatened to curse her to death.
“I then apologised and left.”
Olipha says Mbhoro employed her as his personal assistant without her consent. She had continued attending his church, so she often found herself in his company.
“When he spoke on the phone he’d say: ‘No, speak to my PA’, give it to me and tell me what to tell them.”
She says they eventually struck up a relationship after Mbhoro confessed his undying love for her.
She says when she asked him where his wife was he told her they were in the process of divorcing because she ‘donder hom goed’.
“From there it was an everyday thing. He’d call and say: ‘Babe, do that thing you do to me.’He’d even park his car alongside the road so I could...”
She tells us how Mbhoro first asked her to go all the way.
“He said the things I did to him were amazing and he wanted to experience my ability when we go full steam. I told him it was a sin to have sex before marriage. He said we should do it and then apologise.”
She says their first sexual encounter was at his house and they used a condom.
Olipha says their relationship blew up when she discovered he was shagging other girls too.
“I told him I’m not prepared to share him with other people because I’m a Christian, so I dumped him and even left his church,” she says.
Olipha says he threatened to kill her if she went public about their affair. And in what she says was a bid to prevent her from exposing him, Mbhoro opened a case of crimen injuria and intimidation against her at Alberton police station on Tuesday.
Olipha was arrested and released on R500 bail.
She will appear at Germiston Magistrates’ Court on Wednesday.
“The police phoned me and said they wanted to ask me questions about my car. When I arrived there they arrested me for insulting and intimidating Mbhoro on Tuesday.
“The truth is I phoned him and told him I’d beat him too if he doesn’t stop preaching about me in church.”
Mbhoro ignored our calls and messages we left on his cellphones.
Police spokesperson Manaka Raphulu confirms Mbhoro opened a case of crimen injuria against Olipha, that she was released on R500 bail and that she will appear in court on Wednesday. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
lindsay
And though Mbhoro is well-endowed, he is not a marathon runner but a sprinter in bed.
see there is evidence size does not matter.
@ Nevus
ya gagagagagagagaagag don't be a hater that the preacher is getting some hahahahaha competition : lol you killed me. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Preacher
This lady complainant is just the same with MBHORO. They have laid charges against each other. Paul said it is not supposed to be among believers. So, both of them are actually unbelievers. Don't you know that we shall judge the world? So, when you ask the world to judge you, you have descended to their level and have become one with them.
@galfrend
i think we did it simultaneously dear. howz things with @nevus? hope u worked out things neh! phela u r meant to be together, this is a divine connection . . . lol! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Preacher
“The police phoned me and said they wanted to ask me questions about my car. When I arrived there they arrested me for insulting and intimidating Mbhoro on Tuesday.
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So the police lied to you. When the police lie, we have a national problem.
When this guy was moving to new premises, he said he was going to slaughter cows, that is when i realised this guy is a false prophet. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Galfrend
@WOG-Yah I think we did.Eish can we not talk about that please,me and him,divine connection what what ,can we not talk about that today please, neh?Rather tell me how your weekend was?Did you pray for me? Report Abuse
She says when she asked him where his wife was he told her they were in the process of divorcing because she ‘donder hom goed’
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SMH
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“He said the things I did to him were amazing and he wanted to experience my ability when we go full steam. I told him it was a sin to have sex before marriage. He said we should do it and then apologise.”
dre10
When this guy was moving to new premises, he said he was going to slaughter cows, that is when i realised this guy is a false prophet.
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So, a guy who slaughters cows is a false prophet? You mean we cannot have beef now?
Olipha says their relationship blew up when she discovered he was shagging other girls too.
“I told him I’m not prepared to share him with other people because I’m a Christian, so I dumped him and even left his church,” she says.
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Now this is the greatest lie told by Olipha.
@nevus
what space? ga o na dishares mo sowetan mann!!!
@galfrend
yes i did and for everyone. ok! i wil not. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
ntshware-ke-yawa
4biko
ntshware-ke-yawa
“Three minutes for him is too much when we have sex.”
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mmhhhhhhhhh, it seems most women are starving out there
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They blame stress... i think it is the food/diet mordern men eat. I know a lot of unhappy women
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4biko; you say u know a lot of them,tjoooooooo,I wish I was you mchana Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Preacher
4biko
@Preacher
Nice one!!
But as an African i know what the meaning of that blood that was shed...
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The blood of cows? It meant nothing. just that cows were slaughtered and people
were going to have beef. All else is pure speculation.
i always knew dat something was wrong with dis prophet. ja neh! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Galfrend
Preacher-As much as you are also speculating that cows were slaughterd for beef,allow us to also speculate that cows might have been slaughterd for other reasons. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Preacher
Galfrend
Preacher-As much as you are also speculating that cows were slaughterd for beef,allow us to also speculate that cows might have been slaughterd for other reasons.
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That people who were there on that day ate beef cannot be disputed. It is fact and not
speculation. All else is.
Preacher
Galfrend
Preacher-As much as you are also speculating that cows were slaughterd for beef,allow us to also speculate that cows might have been slaughterd for other reasons.
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That people who were there on that day ate beef cannot be disputed. It is fact and not
speculation. All else is
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How do you know that for sure?Where you there?It can actaully be disputed unless of course you were there yourself!We are all commenting on assumptions here. Report Abuse
@4biko
Not all cow blood is asumed to be sacrifice in African practices but there are specific rituals where the cow is sacrifice and the blood used for specific rituals. Not all Africans believe that and we must all know that religion is a choice, each and every one of us choses her/his religion based on reason and not because it was practiced by our ancestors. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Preacher
Galfrend
Preacher
Galfrend
Preacher-As much as you are also speculating that cows were slaughterd for beef,allow us to also speculate that cows might have been slaughterd for other reasons.
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That people who were there on that day ate beef cannot be disputed. It is fact and not
speculation. All else is
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How do you know that for sure?Where you there?It can actaully be disputed unless of course you were there yourself!We are all commenting on assumptions here.
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I was not there. I spoke to people who went there and did not assume they were eating the meat;
they ate the meat.
Preacher
Galfrend
Preacher
Galfrend
Preacher-As much as you are also speculating that cows were slaughterd for beef,allow us to also speculate that cows might have been slaughterd for other reasons.
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That people who were there on that day ate beef cannot be disputed. It is fact and not
speculation. All else is
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How do you know that for sure?Where you there?It can actaully be disputed unless of course you were there yourself!We are all commenting on assumptions here.
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I was not there. I spoke to people who went there and did not assume they were eating the meat;
they ate the meat.
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You are so stubborn! Anyway you win. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
maezizsto
“He said the things I did to him were amazing and he wanted to experience my ability when we go full steam. I told him it was a sin to have sex before marriage. He said we should do it and then apologise.”
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Hahahhaahahahahaha mbhoro ke tsotsi kikikikikikki.mara o le mosa*di o nyetswe e be someone a tla ka story like this go go nyoba o bo dumela?3 minutes of nie 3 minutes bottom line o jele kuku ya gago mbhoro and o maaka ne o se na timer gore o bue di 3 minutes hiso
@Gigolo
He is a fraudster and a liar.
Actually when i was retrenched i thought of opening my own church. People are just plain gullible. They believe any rubbish you tell them. You just need one well ochastrated good deed. You will have them eating at the palm of your hands - especially women, the poor, those who are allegic to reading and thinking for themselves and the emotionally bankrupt. My mom told me that i will be leading people astray... all the moral issues. I stopped.
and some women are just attracted to the bad boy!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Galfrend
Preacher
All have sinned. Olipha, MBHORO, preacher, and all you reading this.
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No one said we have never sinned. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Preacher
Now Olipha's hubby can file for divorce. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Fergie
It's my birthday today, can someone cheer me up by singing for me!!
Mffffmmm, she wanted him, sh emust stop waisting our time with her nonsence.. Why did she keep going back to Mbhoro's place after the first encounter if she did not want him..
Th emiracle she needed was that of having sex outside her marriage.. She shouldbe ashamed of herself because, while she was marriede she slept with another man who is also married.
Mbhoro is a grace to the Christian community.. atsho ngeengcangula zamazipho..sies man... how do even sleep with a man like that with such looong nails.. disgusting
@Mellow.. Staminaaa yah the woman is crazy.. uyasihlaza as ladies qha..
@green2014.. She can climb her mountain of stupidity and pray till her voice is hoarse
True that Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Preacher
They had sex and then did not apologise. Now on wednesday, they will be at court. I wish I had a car. Would have gone to listen. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Galfrend
Fergie-Happy birthday gal,wish you many more! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Fergie
Thanx guys *smiling*
Bluemas
I'm afraid of cameras, front page stories is not my thing darling... Report Abuse
Bluemmy-Im fine big bro and wena?Have you forgotten that uFergie doesnt do chocolate brothers..lol Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
gigolo
4biko
Thank you scarry stuff, am catholic our priests are known for fondling boys not women and it is just as bad and embarrassing being a member of the church but this. This woman is silly though, going to the pastor's house for an intervention and going as far as allowing yourself to be reduced to a PA when in her own admission she has businesses. I am still thinking of opening my church. There are many Pastor Chris's in South Africa.
Question: Why do we have so many nigerian churches in SA which are not even registered and nothing happens to them and Pastors buy*ng jets Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
sh!tFaceSamsung
tpaz
Men with huge di.cks can't fcuk..... .MR BIG German cut , example.
Now Moruti last for 180 seconds only.....
I am challenging bloggers......Minimum requirements :
15 cm + length and 3cm + thickness.....( no anacondas please)
Duration: 15 minutes plus.....I don't need 2 hours to climax.
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don't look further am available hun- mi pinini is much less- so don't stress ka anaconda : carnal knowledge Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Bluemas
@Galfrend
She is been dumped by the whittys that is why she is back to u. Uwele! puuu phantsi ngesiso. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
sh!tFaceSamsung
Fergie
happy-birth-birthday little woman : have lovely day dear Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
nevus
@Fergie-happppppppyyyyyyyyyyyy,yanong e kae kuku?
WordofGod
@nevus
what space? ga o na dishares mo sowetan mann!!!
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between your legs,as long as ke sena tsona mo wena dont worry. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
4biko
@Gigolo
Nigerians drug infested churches are everywhere in SA because we allow them to be here. In PTA, JHB, and CT there is a nigerian run church in every run down building. Interesting SA are attending those churches - and bringing their tithe and offering.
Some Nigerian came to SA flying economy on some cheap airline now flies BA/SAA first class when he goes home -
As a bible scholar i know that this was spoken about - they are here to lead the blind masses astray. Report Abuse
Thank you scarry stuff, am catholic our priests are known for fondling boys not women and it is just as bad and embarrassing being a member of the church but this. This woman is silly though, going to the pastor's house for an intervention and going as far as allowing yourself to be reduced to a PA when in her own admission she has businesses. I am still thinking of opening my church. There are many Pastor Chris's in South Africa.
Question: Why do we have so many nigerian churches in SA which are not even registered and nothing happens to them and Pastors buy*ng jets
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Nothing happens to them? Or you meant our government is not taking action against them.
Because the devil is presently headquartered in Nigeria, but is hungrily prowling out there like a lion, seeking to devour South Africa. Will the believers say: Amen.
Mboro ke njavana, ke graduate yako ModderB. He is making a kill from ignorant people. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
masepa
@4biko
Ya, Nigerians are making it big in SA using the name of God to rob. They threaten and lie in there, yet many women who are mainly profesionals are following. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Preacher
I saw an old taxi in Lagos. You know what's written on it? "Unto God." Report Abuse
@Masepa
Thats what i dont understand. I have two friends with Msc ni the field of science and Engineering, they attend one of these Nigerian churches. They come home after 9pm three times a week doing bible study... Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mzabalazo
Religion is the most dangerous tool of mind control ever invented by human beings. Life would have been much better without these brain numbing teachings. Even the most intelligent person can be so fooled by religious leaders, they are the worst manipulators,worse than politicians and they have been doing this for a very long time. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Tidoz
I am patiently waiting for KUKU to comment.
Again it is a "Kuku" on the spotlight that's all i have to say. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Preacher
4biko
@Masepa
Thats what i dont understand. I have two friends with Msc ni the field of science and Engineering, they attend one of these Nigerian churches. They come home after 9pm three times a week doing bible study...
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They are down sinking... Their monies are going to the Nogerian pastor and by the time
they open their eyes, they will be as bankrupt as the churchmouse. Watch this space.
When I say nothing happens to them I meant we tend to scrutinise the fake churches run by the South Africans as opposed to Nigerians, case in point we all have something to say about how fake Mboro is what about Pastor Chris? I am not even going to get on the government part there are over 400 churches (reportedly) but only 27 are registered as members of SACC and not even ZCC and Shembe for example are registered. Yet they are exempted from paying they are part of Section 21 but they are a profit making institutions, where would a pastor get money to b.y a jet let alone maintaining it? Tax man should start visiting these people. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
4biko
@Mzabalazo
It think you are refering to blindly following a religion - some of the greatest men who had a great impact on the world that were are living in were very relogious - Martin Luther, Lartin Luther Jnr, The first president of the ANC (forgot his name), Isaac Newton... all these men were bible scholars and it reflected in the character.
The fight my dear - the greatest fight is the fight for the control of your mind. The fight started ages ago
You know what really upsets me most. People are looking for miracles. They are not after the heart of God. If the church preaches about righteousness, about repentance, about sin, about hell and abot Jesus. Very few people go there.
However, if you preach about money, that they will be delivered from their problems. If you stage-manage the events and people rise from their wheel chairs etc. You will see people being very full in that church. They will tell you that you should come to their church and see wonders and miracles. People are looking for miracles not God.
1Timothy 6:5 ... supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
Indeed, they think that when you have money then you are godly. No. Stop looking for miracles and seek God while you can still find Him.
1Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
This woman went to Mbhoro because her business are not doing fine. Now she has pierced herself with sorrows and she is crying foul. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Galfrend
Preacher
Nigerian men wear long dresses. Sies!
_________________LOL Whats wrong with that?Its their culture. Report Abuse
gigolo
Guys no offense, is this man really a pastor or it is just a cover to make money and abuse women?
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both Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Preacher
Galfrend
Preacher
Nigerian men wear long dresses. Sies!
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LOL Whats wrong with that?Its their culture.
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When I say nothing happens to them I meant we tend to scrutinise the fake churches run by the South Africans as opposed to Nigerians, case in point we all have something to say about how fake Mboro is what about Pastor Chris? I am not even going to get on the government part there are over 400 churches (reportedly) but only 27 are registered as members of SACC and not even ZCC and Shembe for example are registered. Yet they are exempted from paying they are part of Section 21 but they are a profit making institutions, where would a pastor get money to b.y a jet let alone maintaining it? Tax man should start visiting these people.
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Nigerians are 419's and they are beyond salvaging. With Mbhoro, our countryman, taking lessons from Nigerian wizards, we can still save him from going down the pit.
The issue is not registration and tax but that churches must do right. I mean, some churches have been in tents for morfe than ten years and yet every week, they collect money from the members, called "building fund" but the buildings are not erected.
Paying taxes will mean them joining forces with corrupt government officials and we may end up worse-off.
As for Chris Oyakhilome and his family, God will deal with them.
Now I know your true identity because all you stand for is all that this man ever does, alsways in the company of women and doing things he should not be doing with them, what did you get up to this weekend? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
nevus
WordofGod
@galfrend
i think we did it simultaneously dear. howz things with @nevus? hope u worked out things neh! phela u r meant to be together, this is a divine connection . . . lol!
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mme weee ka kopo tlhe lesa leina la me fa o gaseletsa le metswalle ya gago tlhe,e seng ka bo maswe fela nka itumela fa o ka ntirela jalo,kgang e e mferosa dibete.K tshepa fa re tla utlwana ntle le mengapano epe. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
gigolo
Preacher
As one blogger said it is all about being gullible, do you honestly think Mboro will ever be saved? He is tasted the good life, he is like Julius Malema (in context please) where people do not think he can do wrong he is this perfect being. I referred to them as paying tax cause they use the banner of being a section 21 company and yet they are making profit and they should not be, as for me if I go to church and I keep paying for the building fund for more than three years I don't even so much see the foundation I am so gone. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Preacher
4biko
@Preacher
_Ugly culture, yho, just imagine!
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Beauty is relative - especially if you view it from the point of the slave master from the EU. All that is not white becomes ugly
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Africans, including Nigerians, never wore cotton dresses before the whites came, if you want to take it there. They wore animal skins. The clothes that we wear today are from the Europeans. So what is your point exactly? You will not use roll-on because you are black and proud? How are you going to deal with the stink of sweaty armpits?
@nevus
vandag ke busy. ga kena nako ya go hlala Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
masepa
@4biko
And this Nigerian pastors do not want to be asked questions about their beliefs, they get angry and promise you the God sjambok, or God burning you alive during the day. All what they do is to threaten you with God like He is their property and in their control, some kind of their pitbull. Women in there are threatened the same way. A case in point is another one in Pretoria, Sunnyside. He was sharing flat when he came here and looking for employment. All of a sudden, he opened a church and in three months, he drove Jeep Cherokee and opened another church in hatfield, again profesional women running around him but I suspect this women want something else, just like in this Mbhoro case. Report Abuse
As one blogger said it is all about being gullible, do you honestly think Mboro will ever be saved? He is tasted the good life, he is like Julius Malema (in context please) where people do not think he can do wrong he is this perfect being. I referred to them as paying tax cause they use the banner of being a section 21 company and yet they are making profit and they should not be, as for me if I go to church and I keep paying for the building fund for more than three years I don't even so much see the foundation I am so gone.
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It is not really about the length of time. It is about pastors revealing the church"s financials to
the members. Everybody must know where every cent in the church is going and if there is a plan to put up a building, everyone has to know how far the plan is at every given stage.
Remember in the book of Acts, there is a record there that the apostles said it is not right for them to be looking after the finances but they must preach the gospel. So, they charged the congregation with the task of appointing men from the church, to wait tables. These days, pastors are only interested in the money and nothing else.
If Mbhoro is willing to change, yes he can still change. He was once a humble man of no substance, doing rounds in homes in the East Rand, preaching the gospel. He did not attach any cancy labels then to himself. Somewhere along the line, he met the wrong bunch and is now on the wrong road.
Wena cobra why o roga ngwana o mong?
Did you sleep with her? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Preacher
masepa
@4biko
And this Nigerian pastors do not want to be asked questions about their beliefs, they get angry and promise you the God sjambok, or God burning you alive during the day. All what they do is to threaten you with God like He is their property and in their control, some kind of their pitbull. Women in there are threatened the same way. A case in point is another one in Pretoria, Sunnyside. He was sharing flat when he came here and looking for employment. All of a sudden, he opened a church and in three months, he drove Jeep Cherokee and opened another church in hatfield, again profesional women running around him but I suspect this women want something else, just like in this Mbhoro case.
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The Nigerians have been perfecting the art of deception for a long time now. Make no mistake, they are masters at it. Look at the problems the 419 boys are causing even in developed western nations. Point of the matter is that we must not be fooled into desiring the wealth of the wicked for God will breathe just once and they shall be no more.
I would not have asked had I not wanted to know out with it, I know you are itching to tell me.
Preacher
So he is a pastor? A real pastor, that you say took a wrong turn, in that case since God forgives I will open my own church and then will change when I have made enough money cause God is a forgiving God, which is not fair if one puts it like that, he can't have a good life with the proceeds of people gullible people and then claims to be a man of God, that is practically stealing from the people. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Preacher
gigolo
I would not have asked had I not wanted to know out with it, I know you are itching to tell me.
Preacher
So he is a pastor? A real pastor, that you say took a wrong turn, in that case since God forgives I will open my own church and then will change when I have made enough money cause God is a forgiving God, which is not fair if one puts it like that, he can't have a good life with the proceeds of people gullible people and then claims to be a man of God, that is practically stealing from the people
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You can do whatever you like. It's up to you. Yes, you can even steal from the people but when their wrath is turned against you, enjoy. Like Gadafi, like Mubarak and many others whose turn is coming. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
WordofGod
@nevus
o bua too much mo, ba go dampile maloba. to me it doesnt matter whether motho or no motho, i have Jesus Christ and thats all that matters right now. and ke busy mannn, ntlogele!!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
masepa
@Preacher
Do you think Gadaffi too was stealing or is making it dificult for Europeans to steal Libya oil? Mubarak was supported by them financially but Gadafi has been pain on their a$$$ and now that their economies are not gaining any meaningful movement, they turn to exploit Africa again. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
nevus
@WOG-ke go kopile tsweetswee go sa lwe le wena jaanong o ntshasa sebabatsane mo diropeng o nagan ke tla nna tududu? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mzabalazo
4biko
Those were intelligent people with great minds, yet were victims of religion, just like a great person become an alcoholic, that doesnt change the fact that he is naturally intelligent. What Malom X, Martin Luther King and many others were, was not influenced by the bible or Koran, if so every Koran and bible reader/scholar would have acted the way they did. eg Mandela did not become a revolutionary just because he was not a dedicated Christian, Slovo did not become a revolutionary just because he was an atheist. The core of a person is neither build by religion or atheism, it is what the person feels and believe and then build his/her values. eg Paul, Peter who were leaders in the christian religion, discouraged the rebellion of slaves, they encouraged the subjection of slaves to thier masters, and my affording Christians owned slaves, it you read the the book of James in the bible.So is the Koran it encourages slavery. So if these great minds I mensioned/you mensioned were driven or according to you were reflecting the bible/Koran teachings, they would have submitted themselves to the authorities, they would have supported slavery, just as the teachers in the bible did. It was their inner core,that built their values not the bible. The bible's teachings were reflected in the Klu Klux Klan and the NG Kerk too. These people used scriptures that supported their cause. eg Look how the Jewish/Hebrew religion justified us blacks as faulty,we are falsely said we are the descendents of a curse. The racist myth in the bible says, Noah was drunk and Ham laughed at him and when Noah woke up, and was told of the incident, he cursed his grandson, a son of Ham for his father's deed. The cursed grandson was Cush? Do you know who that was? A forefather of blacks, they falsely claim we are the descendents of Cush. Do you know the meaning of the word Cush in Hebrew? Dark. Please read the story of Noah after they had come out of the ark. If you read different translation on Jeremiah 13:23 you will realize that a Cushite is a black man,it reads thus: ...can a Cushite change his skin? other translations reads : Can a black man change his skin? Can an Ethiopian man change his skin? Cush was the alleged cursed son of Ham. Again just see how racists Jeremiah the prophet of god was: Why is he thinking a Cushite would like to change his skin? Because Jeremiah and other prophets of god saw our skin as a curse, something that needs to be changed if possible, if not so. why did he say can an Arab, Greeck, European or Hebrew? It is not the bible that made these intelligent people do what they did, if itb was they wouldnt have ever acted agaqinst the principles of their fore teachers,who preached submission until god's salvation comes on earth, which isnt going to happen because its part of a religoius myth. As much as these people were great,they had a weakness, just like a great person who has a weakness of been an alcoholic. Alcoholism doesnt make you to be a fool,or poor or stupid,but you can be a great professor, leader and or teacher who is an alcoholic, just like Boris Yeltsin,or Steve Thswete. So the weakness of these great minds was to believe a Hebrew myth as the word of god and in the case of Malcom X, believe the myth of Mohammed as the word of god(allah). Report Abuse
The fact is a man of God needs to know better and show leadership, if he fails it means he is not ready. anyway ... who decides that a person is now a prophet ... Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Shredder
@Mbabalazo - How did Cush become black? Was his mother black? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
gigolo
Preacher
Am so waiting for Ghadaffi's turn its not even funny.
Nevus
Am waiting wena do tell I have a Gautrain to catch lol. Report Abuse
WordofGod
@nevus
o bua too much mo, ba go dampile maloba
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go dampiwa is an in thing,even uDinny o dumped uKenny so tell me should i be worried for being dumped? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Shredder
@Doctor-who - Now this my opinion. I believe the time of the prophets is gone. We can only learn from the written word. If a person tells you "God told me", listen carefully and ask yourself if that is line with the Word of God. If it is not, throw that away. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Preacher
masepa
@Preacher
Do you think Gadaffi too was stealing or is making it dificult for Europeans to steal Libya oil? Mubarak was supported by them financially but Gadafi has been pain on their a$$$ and now that their economies are not gaining any meaningful movement, they turn to exploit Africa again.
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If Gadafi was not stealing from the people of Libya, there would be no armed rebels storming Tripoli even as we speak. Europe does not steal Libyan oil. They buy it and Gadafi took the money and stashed it into his family's accounts spread over various European countires, the USA and some even here in South Africa. Yes he has been a pain in their ass because of the plane hijackings he bacame synonymous with. As for exploitation, look at how African leaders, former freedom-fighters, are looting the people's resources. May the light of reason shine in your propagandised mind.
Shredder
@Doctor-who - Now this my opinion. I believe the time of the prophets is gone. We can only learn from the written word. If a person tells you "God told me", listen carefully and ask yourself if that is line with the Word of God. If it is not, throw that away.
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You are right. Time for prophets came and went. Now God speaks to us directly. If someone says God told him something about me, I know that person is lying because God should have told me first since it concerns me. Imagine all the prophets in the blue and white tents in the township, all claiming God sent them. Waste. That includes Mapaseka and Chris and Lukau and Oyedepo and all of them.
@nevus
ga ke batle go lwana lenna. ke on and off - menopause symptoms dintshwere kudukudu! and o maka mann! pelo ya gago e rotha madi. jst be honest and admit it gore u stil love her Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
nevus
@WOG-polo ya ka e rothela wena madi.*oops meant say pelo*nna ke rata wena. Report Abuse
@Shredder
spot on! too bad our black people just LOVE miracles! They believe so much in miracle workers, and that had enslaved them........... the same people who say they are "delivering" them are actually binding them, binding them with promises, display of power... all these while enriching themselves!
and there is nothing you and I or anyone can do about it!
it is just with this woman - common sense should have informed her to not be in a house alone with a man(sitting on your lap too!).................
you don't need to be a christian to know it is wrong for someone to do that! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
nevus
@JubJub-eish girl i missed you dearly wa tseba? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
4biko
@Mzabalazo
Love the argument - but it is so flawed. But i love you thought process.
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The core of a person is neither build by religion or atheism, it is what the person feels and believe and then build his/her values
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Relook and rethink this statement you made earlier. i think it is one of the building block of your argument. I know after careful consideration you will see the flaw. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Preacher
“I asked him if he loved me but he never said anything. I then told him I was leaving and he told me I was going to die,” she says.
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You went there seeking help for your businesses that were going down but
then, being a married woman, you asked a married man whether he loved
you. He said nothing. That was your answer right there.
@joyful - "and there is nothing you and I or anyone can do about it! "
Unfortunately that is the sad truth.
It is not just South Africa blacks, watch TBN. You will see how people love money and they distort the truth of the Word of God.
Speaking of TBN, I was impressed on Saturday, I watched it and there was this pastor from Cavalry Chapel. He preached the Word of God, he talked about sin, righteousness, hell and salvation. People listened attentively and only clapped their hands after he finished. it was not a disorganized sermon where pastors entertain people by making jokes and enticing them about money, but there was order. God is not the author of confusion. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Preacher
Shredder
@joyful - "and there is nothing you and I or anyone can do about it! "
Unfortunately that is the sad truth.
It is not just South Africa blacks, watch TBN. You will see how people love money and they distort the truth of the Word of God.
Speaking of TBN, I was impressed on Saturday, I watched it and there was this pastor from Cavalry Chapel. He preached the Word of God, he talked about sin, righteousness, hell and salvation. People listened attentively and only clapped their hands after he finished. it was not a disorganized sermon where pastors entertain people by making jokes and enticing them about money, but there was order. God is not the author of confusion
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there is no difference between TBN an MBHORO on Soweto TV and Christ Embassy's Atmosphere
of Miracles. All birds of the same feather. Soon as Mapaseka has money, he will buy a slot on TBN.
WordofGod
@motabolapasa
nna ga ke itse gore abuti o felletse kae? ga reya kopana. aaiii! wa bona, this is the reason ke dula ke le nosi. banna ba tena
@nevus
that is why ba go dampile. o tumme ka dilo tse snaks fela. ke eng dilo tse o di buang jwanong? nxa!
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ke rileng yanong? ao tlhe o sa ruruga marago kana nna ke leka go ipobola tlhe.
@Shredder & Joyful
I think sometimes it is because people are just desperate for healing, desperate to solve their problems. The truth is these guys messages promises that. The sermon dont focus on telling people about their sins - they are focused on "blessings" from God and material accumulation.
Often as people we view a better life as havign a bigger bank balance. Thats why morality is out of the window for a dollar. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
JUBJUB
@Nevus
Lenna ke ntse ke go gopotse waitse Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Shredder
@Preacher - Who is this Mapeseka? I see her name coming up over and over :). You are probably right; there is no difference between all these. That is why I said I was impressed on Saturday because I saw something unfamiliar on that channel. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mzabalazo
Shredder
I cannot answer that because the bible myth is written by Hebrews. But my take is that, the myth writer is implying that we are the result of a curse.Cush is cursed by Noah ,due to what one of Noah did and Cush is the son of of Ham.In Genesis, this is the first time a Cushite is mensioned and even then you wont even know that a cushite is a black person as it doesnt give much to people who do not known Hebrew. But to Hebrew whom this myth was written for them, they understood that Cush was dark/black, because the word Cush means Dark/black. Then the rest of the non Hebrew reader only get to understand that Cush is black when they read the book of Jeremiah 13:23.
I myself knows one fact there is white/yellow person who acn give birth to a black person unless if these two things happen: 1) A white or a yellow person had had a sexual relationship with a black person. 2) The white/yellow person has African genes whom they got from one of their ancestors who was black. Here the bible is been so unscientific. Arabs called Adam and Eve give birth to Arab kids who then give birth to other Arab kids,then all of a sudden an Arab Noah's sons give birth to different races, Shem: Gives birth to the Semitic or Shemitic people who were known as Hebrew, then Isrealis and now Jews, Japhet:Gives birth to Indo Europeans.i.e. Greecks, Medo- Persians and Ham: Gives birth to Cushites(blacks), Libya, Canaanites. But here is the myth exposed,Shem give birth to Jews only i.e. one nation only and the two brothers give birth to more than one nations, they produce assoterd, when Jews are just not sharing other nations with their father. Here the writer tries to make Jews/ Hebrews unique, special , superior. The Rabbis take this myth further by preaching that only Shem was born circumsiced and became the great grand father of Abraham. Now this turns the whole thing a lie that the Hebrew were chosen by the Humbleness of Abraham,the bible here shows us that the Hebrews were manufatured to be chosen. The Hebrews/Jews are been promoted by the bible as a special chosen nation, but this racial supremacy is accepted because is preached by the bible, yet we would not have accepted it if it was written in political books, how is this different form the supremacy preached by the Boeremag, Klu Klux Klan and other racial suprimacy theories.And the rest of us are beggers from the blessing of Abraham, even Jesus comes to earth as a Jew, the heavenly reward is called the higher Jerusalem, God is called the god of Isreal, those who are Christians are called in the bible spiritual Jews. As much as the christians writers say we are all welcome but we have to identify ourselves with the Jewish culture. Other than that I find any religion crippling the mind,Islam and Christianity as well as any other religion foreign to Africa is a religious colonialisation. Report Abuse
@4biko - 1Timothy 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
1Timothy 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
If I may expound on these, I'd say, these people think that godliness is gaining. That is why they always preach about blessings all the time, how your neighbors will envy you. Some even go to such an extend that you have to be rich so that people can see which God you pray unto. But godliness with contentment is great gain, not being wealthy is godliness.
dille
So Preacher are you a Christain?
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No, I am not. Does it matter with you?
It does matter, because it will make a case for the argument. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Spharaphara
the lady waphapha,she is now angry that Mbhoro did not take out the usual stones out of her.Otherwise this story does not add up. The lady sounds like a sex addict. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
WordofGod
@nevus
is this is the freedom that u always wanted? ke ya go bona gore o busy too much. o playboy mansion wena . . . Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mzabalazo
4biko
Its not flawed but its unacceptable to people who have been made to believe that the bible is not flawed. The threat that has been imprinted in our minds that facts against religion are blasphemy and hell is awaiting those who use their brain, those who want to understand the logic in a cruel god who once told Moses to kill,women and children including animals of the Moabites , a god who himself says he will make Pharaoh's heart hard, so as to display his might, how selfish is that, in today's words it is called abuse of power. Because it wanst Pharaoh willingly refusing the Hebrews to leave, but someone so powerful had him by his spell so as to demostrate his power, Pharaoh did not volenteer to be used as a guinue pig of god and Isreal, in today language we call it abuse, god did not get a consent to experiement with Egyptian people's lifes. This was so selfish and inconsiderate and was unjustified. Thats where my point is when I say even intelligent people when they in religion they mind become numb. How can Martin Luther King see such unjust actions of god as worth praising. Imagine , 4Biko a god, something you cannot fight or protect yourself from, killing all the first born children in your country, for the fun of it. hHe god hardened the heart of Pharaoh, that was unjust, uncaring and unsymphathetic and murderous, it cannot be justified in our society today and that means it couldnt be justified then. Report Abuse
People might wonder why I call Adam and Eve Arabs, it is because the two rivers that the bible cliam to be bordering the garden of Eden ,Pishon and Gihon are found in Southern Kuwait. So I cannot be a descendent of Arabs. Maybe Isrealis are as they live closer to the Kuwaitis not me. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
4biko
@Mzabalazo
Your thinking reminds me of someone very close to me.Your understanding of who God is not truth. God is love - his character is love.
Out of courosity - What books are you reading?
I enjoy your argument - maybe as i have said reminds me of my dad. Report Abuse
4Biko the Hebrew nationalists who wrote the Hebrew religious books that christians call them oldtestament. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
nevus
teduetee
horny pastor
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hey Ted ngwanola wa Rythm City o robegile molala(Puleng) Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Aiden
"And though Mbhoro is well-endowed, he is not a marathon runner but a sprinter in bed.
“Three minutes for him is too much when we have sex.”
Other details are too graphic for publication".........................................................................................................*KILLING MYSELF LAUGHING* Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
joyful
@Mzabalazo
Here the bible is been so unscientific. Arabs called Adam and Eve give birth to Arab kids who then give birth to other Arab kids
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who said Adam and Eve were Arabs??? There is strong belief that they were black ............. even more stronger belief that the garden of eden was in Africa............. all researches (scientific, archeoligist, religious) points to all humans originating from Africa................ but not too worry about that, just die and ask God to show you Adam! LOL!
@tedu
direng Mchana, hei ne ke re o one on this 3 minutes session but i was wrong, le Pastor shoo mchana Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
4biko
Mzabalazo
I like your passion... but relook at your arguments. They do have flaws. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
teduetee
motabolapasa..marago a bose warra,o ka se laste 4 mins Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Shredder
@Mzabalazo - The problem is that our righteousness is different from God's kind of righteousness. That is why we all get into all these kinds of problem because we reason to ourselves that we know better. For example, pre-marital sex and adultery. Due to our limited knowledge we thought that we can practice s3x according to our understanding now the whole world is in trouble. This is just one example. I accept His sovereignty, there are some things that I don't understand that God forbids us to do or want us to do or He does but my limited knowledge on such issues don't make me doubt His sovereignty. I think it is evident in many things that we are doing now that are in contrary with The Word of God that those things are steadily putting us in deep trouble. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
joyful
As for Mbhoro .......... he is only as powerful, hideous, angelic, demonic....etc....... as long as people allow him!
It is amazing that this woman came to church seeking a way to improve her business (surprisingly), but she saw no problem with Mbhoro touching her, sleeping with her...............
unless of course if the business she is in is PROSTITUTION???
South Africans need to wake up! read your bible, spend time with your GOD, know him more as your loving, caring father!
I mean the bible practically says " Trust in the LOrd and you will not be put to shame", it says "Do not put your trust in the sons of men"
oh no, they prefer to hear:
"fire, fire, burn! come out! the party is over!"
and of course vomitting, falling, rolling around, exposed, "prophet" Mbhoro touching their "biscuits"(as he calls it), him inserting his thin fingers with those terrible long nails ko kukung tsa bona, and then make a show of "confessions"!
@joyful - As for me, it doesn't really bother me about the colour of Adam and Eve. Though I do take your point that they could have been black. It is possible, I don't know. When they talk about the garden of Eden, they talk about the river going through Ethiopia and Ethiopia is in Africa. So, that may support your statement, I don't know. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Galfrend
Yah reLigion is so flipping confusing!Im getting dizzy just by reading some of these comments!
Please continue guys,you are really schooling me religion wise.
@Joyful-LOL She must die and ask God...you crazy wena..LOL Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Motabolapasa
@tedu
le dira ke di braai pack tše le dijang mchana, le fetoga dikgogo.
tsoga ka motogo mchana o tla bona, 20 mins + Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Spharaphara
can you imagine Mbhoro fingering the lady with his dirty long nails , tell her that the stones will out any minute from now. Report Abuse
Shredder
Truth... the thing is we dont know everything. Thats why i always say if you know 10% of the human anatomy and how it functions, 6% of science it is difficult to disprove God. The truth is often the ego to sound clever and well read blinds us to the truth. I know i have my moments of glory which are just nothing but my ego betraying me to display pure stupidity.
The Bible is the easiest book to read but not that easy to understand. You cannot pick up an Ahmed Dedaat book and try to dosprove God. You cannot disprove the existance of God just as much as you cannot disprove love - for He is love. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
joyful
one other thing before I go: why is it that all these amazing things happen to blacks??????
are demons ONLY terrorising blacks? especially black women???? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Shredder
@Galfrend
Yah reLigion is so flipping confusing!Im getting dizzy just by reading some of these comments!
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Lol, I can imagine you pulling your hair, haaaaaa!!! Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Motabolapasa
@tedu
o sepetše bjang maloba mchana, ngwana Modimo a ema wa se te ponagatše, Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Galfrend
Joy=Hey befor you go,what do you mean by "amazing" in this context?
@joyful
sometimes they dont even have the decensy to wear good underwear...
I think what we are seeing its spirituality - i have seen some of these events on DSTV - they dont differ from bosangoma. I am of the though somehow people are bringing those practices into the church. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Galfrend
Shredder and ALL-What other relevant supporting books do you guys read besides the bible.I once tried reading Ellen G.White but picked up some flaws in her arguments.What other books do you read guys? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mzabalazo
4Biko
My understanding of who the god of the bible and the koran are, according to the evidence for m both these books is contradictory to your statement of love. 4Biko if a person promises to t be so vengeful like the god of the bible koran then your understanding of love is flawed. This god is going to burn those who not by the fault of their own chose not to praise him, forever, what kind of love is that. god's faulty creation is blamed on us human, he is the one who failed to create people who will listen to him, he failed to create angels who will listen to him.He even said in Genesis I regret that I created a human. He claims to be having power to see things long before they happen yet he failed to see that one of the angel will turn people against him. by saying he regrets to me it means that he lies to us when he says he can see the future, cause if he did he would have seen how bad the people will be and the create something else that he will not regret about. This god you say is love is so much in love with blood, he buries people alive, 4Biko you do not have the love that the bible and koran claim god has but still even if I did not see you, but have that trust that you will never tell people to kill all women and children, what kind of love and symphaty is that. He told Moses to kill children, 4Biko if that doenst touch you, then you are beyond repair, can a loving person command Isreal to kill defenseless women and children? He killed the daughter of Japhther, the Judge of Isreal for what? This stupid Japhter like most of god's prophets are, he was sent by god to fight one of the Palestinian nations and he asked god to give him power to defeat the enemy and promised god that he will give anyone who will be the first to welcome him from the battle, from his household as a live burning offering, guess who rejoiced that her father has won the battle and wolcomed him.It was the only Child and DAUGHTER of this foolish man. The foolish prophet burned her alive. Read your bible an dyou will see that both Jephter and god broke the law in Duet 12:27 making a burned offering with a child. the bible continues that god smelled a sweet offering, is he a cannibal? read for yourself Judges 11 and see how your god is love. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mzabalazo
Galfrend
Iam glad that you know about Ellen G. White, I recommend you read everything on her books, and you will see how people can believe all sorts of unbelievable stories. I wish you to read about the founder of Mormons too, Smith, and then read about the founder of WatchTower, Pator CT Russel, but the most intersting chap in the Jehovah's Witnesses is Rutherford the second president, you will be amazed. Go back a little and read some failed prophecies of Miller whom The Seveth Adventist broke away from adn then read about Goerge Storr one of the Adventist preacher and writer in the 1700's he too had failed prophecies. Interesting luv. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Shredder
@Galfrend - I think by amazing she meant strange. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Galfrend
Tjo-Mzabalazo,yah gal respect to you.Your arguments are a real eye opener.
And thank you for the recommendations,just wrote them down and will try to find them.
Just wondering though,are you a Christian? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Shredder
@Galfrend - I once read "Book of Facts", I must get it. I don't know where I am gonna get it, but my friend had it. I wonder if he still does.
Though I believe The Bible more than other books. I can use other material to get the exact location because The Bible already has been written in historical sense. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Shredder
@Mzabalazo - But all those religions like the Mormons, and others, they are cults and do not teach what the Bible teaches. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
4biko
What happenedto my comment.
I have read EGW book years ago. i enjoyed it. As a scientist a balance view i came across was from Dwight Nelson. His argument on creation and evolution - the role of science are mind provoking.
Mzabalazo -
God is love - why am i saying this:
He says thou shall not steal, kill, commit adultery, envy your bretheren things... all this shows his love for humanity. If we keep thse commandments of love there will be no war, rape, HIV ... It is His law of loove to
Shredder-Who is the writer of book of facts? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
4biko
Mzabalazo
Have you really read the books you mentioned or you read someone commenting on them. Can you honestly say that you have sat and studied and anaylsed the books you qouted.
when I say "all amazing things happens to ONLY blacks", I was referring to all these "miracles":
- stones coming from a person's kuku
- a woman supposedly giving birth to live fish
-people "burning" while due all kinds of crazy act (falling, rolling, undressing themselves, vomitting)
- watch all these "miracles" channels, I guarantee you that 99% of "delivarance" are blacks, of which 101% are black women!!!!
and I ask why? what about other races (whites, chinese, indians etc)? do these "demons" only choose blacks??????????????? Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Preacher
Too much judgementalism on little knowledge. But it is written:
"For now we know in part and prophesy in paert but then we shall know in full..." Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Preacher
joyful
@Galfrend
just came back to answer your question.
when I say "all amazing things happens to ONLY blacks", I was referring to all these "miracles":
- stones coming from a person's kuku
- a woman supposedly giving birth to live fish
-people "burning" while due all kinds of crazy act (falling, rolling, undressing themselves, vomitting)
- watch all these "miracles" channels, I guarantee you that 99% of "delivarance" are blacks, of which 101% are black women!!!!
and I ask why? what about other races (whites, chinese, indians etc)? do these "demons" only choose blacks???????????????
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The rise of Christianity by W.H.C. Frend.
Millennium : The end of the world and the forging of christendom by Tom Holland.
The Dead Sea Scroll Deception by Micheal Baigent and Richard Liegh.
The God Fallacy by Laurence Kalnln.
Jesus By Micheal Grant
The lost years of Jesus by Elizabeth Clare Prophet
The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins
God is not Great: How religion poisons everything by Christopher Hitchenes.
Th e Holy Bible 15 English Translation.
Islam: A brief history by Paul Lunde
Muhammad: by Karen Amstrong
Infidel : My life by Ayaan Hirsi Ali
The Koran translated from the Arabic by J.M. Rodwell
Researching how the other churches that started after the protestant evolution and recent churches ie started in the 60's.
The most valuable teacher in all this is life experience, newpaper publication on religion's accumulation of wealth.
People I know.
I had a lot of interest in studying JW Watchtowers' history,Adventists' history, Mormon's history and Evengelists( Goerge Bush 's faith). After I finish Islam as it is not going to take that long,thanks to the lady Ayaan who gave me much detailed injustices and violence in Islam through her lovely book Infidel, Karen Armstrong, a former Nun also gave me a better picture about the life of Mohammad, who married a 12yrs old gilr. I would like to research in details, Ama Nazaretha( Shembe) ZCC and Sephiri as well as IPC Modise. The Zions abapostoli, need only to findout when did the start and by whom, which is going to be a challenge,but other than that.
The other thing I want to learn more about is magic/illussion because I suspect humans established formal religous worship after they discovered magic/illussions, which is simply how to trick the mind. I have a strong suspicion on that. You can just imagine how people are persuaded by the power of miracles( which is magic) and is not long lasting,seen by the few,and occuring insecluded places.
The bible also helps me unlearn all the myth that I was spoon fed by my parents and the community at large, It is has been of great help. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mzabalazo
4Biko
You asked me what which book did I read out of good faith and my answer is out of good faith. look i advice you you save the blog we post on and you will see that I have a lot of info and my comments on my post on the same issues is supported by different materials. Unless you think Iam a genius, all of this info Im posting is my work,I will be gladly accept that flettery but that wouldnt be true. My instinct and my hunger to know drove me to this desparation on knowledge. One white girl in a conference in Zeerust said to me, she heard that if you want to hide something from a black person put it in a book. I was so angry but,because she said that when teh conference started and I never saw her again for three years. But when I thought about that I found a certain truth on her statement, but that statement was wrong on one thing, selection of blacks as the only people whom you can hide something in a book. I had to prove my hypothesis that if you want to hide some thing for people wether its most or some, put it in a book.
I asked Kerry who is a dedicated Lutheran and a former colleague about 4 question, the first was is there a book of Habakuk. She looked puzzled and asked me if the writer was an African, Kerry is white, she carries a bible every Sunday yet she thinks the book of Habakuk has to an African book somewhere. To cut things short, these questions were from the bible and were not even difficult.
Yasser a Moslem: I asked him if he does eat a fish which is not hallal, he said no, it should be hallal. The koran says fish lives in the water therefore its clean,it doesnt need to be hallal.
I ask Christians even on such posts and find out that though they qoute the popular scriptures they do not know the ones I bring forth, some were taken by suprise that all five witnesses who claimed to have lived with Jesus and those who saw his empty tomb do not agree on how many women saw an ampty tomb. Two of the disciples do not give us the same statement on how Judas died, one says he hanged himself, the other he exploded and all his intestine were blown out of his stomachs.
Then the is an issue of who bought the field of blood, one says Judas and the other says its the chief priest, and so on.
I havent finnishen the koran, because it is very boring,Mohammed forgets many a times that he said Allah is the one who is speaking, it become a singular and later a plural conversation and his math of fraction is so pathetic in dividing the wealth of the deceased in a family. Honestly It is the worst book I have ever read. It doesnt flow like the bible does.
Yes I read all of these books;
Ayaan is a woman from Somali, her father was one of the leaders of one of the fighters and he was educated too,went to exile and the family was left behind, but he managed to get a visa to work in Saudi Arabia provided the authority did not know that he was still involved in the revolution. Ayaan says the Somalis are so divided by clans, she says they will never have a stable govt because no clan wants to be ruled by the other and clan is as important as bread. In Saud Arabia she experienced discrimination. She says even if you are a Moslem as ;long as you are not an Arab you will feel the animosity of Arabs. But what touched me when she was in Saudi was the treatment of women. She says no woman is allowed to walk the streets without a man, atleast you have to be accompanied by a boy of 10 to get service in shops. She says they do not even take the money from the hand of a woman.
The family left for Kenya, you will appreciate how difficult it was to go to Kenya during the fighting. Started to date a Kenyan non moslem boy . Got to be arranged a husband form the same clan,the man was living in Germany. Ayaan was not attracted to the man. Then came the Moslem signing of Marriage certificate,Ayaan said to her father, I wont even be there to sign the certificate,thinking the marriage will not continue. The father said to her" my daughter you do not need to be there, as long as your father is there to sign, that will be enough for you to be married', Lett me nlot spoil it by giving everything, but gradually she get to get an awakening and realize how wicked the religion is, the awakening was tickled by the unbrotherly love of people who live wher the Mecca is ie the Saudis, but the experience of a different life in Kenya and the strictness in the her Moslem school, forced marriage and the real freedom she got when she was in Holland. There she became an MP and so on.... I read Ayaan,s book 3yrs ago. Buy it,get it from e bay or amazons on a cheaper price if you cannot afford to buy a brand new one. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mzabalazo
Shredder
Do not come with excuses, this world has and was in trouble from its inception, this world as a planet has been experiencing events of extinctions, 45millions yeras or so, dinaursurs were wiped out by a meteorite and that evidence is registered in fossils. Earth quakes lightings and hurrricanes as well as floods have bee raveging the earth and they will not stop.You people you do not bother to make a research. Let me tell you there is no way the earth will ever stop experiencing earthquakes and disasters. Look at how this planet is unsafe, 90% of the earth is a ball of fire, this melted liquid metal on its center it has a cold iron metal and the the continents have seismic plates which every time they move the cause friction and when the other is pushed underneath the other, the one underneath is melted by this fire and wallah, the mellted liqiud pushes up and we have a volcano, or times the friction causes just a tsumani. It has nothing to do with whatever. Even if everyone on earth can be a dedicated christian disasters will continue, they know nothing about your faith or your rottenness, this is how the earth it is. If it wasnt working the way it does no living thing would have been on eartn. Nina nicabanga ukuthi lezzinto are mistakes or anger from your cruel god. No he himself doesnt know what hey are,because he claim he created the earth in 6 days and christrians like you make extra excuses that a day is a 1000yrs, thus the wrong theory that the earth is 6ooo to 7000yrs. What a bull, dinausars die d 45 million years or so and dinasaurs were not the first to live on this planet, their predecessors lived 200 million years befor the dinars, plus the fact thats the earth took some millions of years to have oxgygen. So if according to your theory that 1 day is equal to 1000 years then 245 million years divide by 1000 years, you will find that god is either dead of very old to know what is going on. Stop telling fibbles sibadala, nothing is new trouble except religion. Its very supestitious. There is nothing that is going to change by religion in nature, your christian magic will end only in your church workshops. Come on man, hwo many times did people pray for drought tpo end and never did. A god who cannot even control his so called his nature is man made. Pray that ok but there is prayer that will change the cause of nature. Goa doesnt even know how many women saw thet empty tomb of his beloved son, how can he know how to deal with the world which is millioms or years old when he thinks its only 7 days old. Guys you do not want to you your brains, you are decieved by Paul who lied right in your bible saying he was going to go to heaven alive.The Romans killed him, that is the only way christains and moslems go to heaven when they cannot even know or recognisse the very same promised land, just like Isreal who were promised the world of honey and milk and got the Palestinian desert. Wake up and reason, dont be fool by illiterate shepards who did not even know that the stars are bigger than the moon and their god who says the has a light, if he created the moon why doesnt he know that the monn has no light but it reflects the sun's light. It better to read Mickey mouse than to be so brainwashed. Even when facts are thrown in your face you do not see a thing. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mzabalazo
4Biko
I did seek the truth and got it long ago, now Im researching in order to put a label on the right spot. I know that the pattern of the evotion of religion is one, same method same motivation which is money power and a bargaing power to others, to gain respect and recognition. You couldnt be a king but you can get a followiing which will respect you and feed you just like they do to the king, thas the model from time immemorial.. My research has not to do with the truth but to help those people whom the truth is hidded to them right intheir bible. The bible is so faulty, even a composition of a grade 5 student isnt as faulty. So Im done with the bible 4Biko, it cannot change its lies, they are so obvious. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mzabalazo
Joyful
There was never a black person in Kuwait in an era you are talking about. You can believe that they black but that will be your strong beliefs and those fools who do not know geography. You have been well delt with my sister the naxt thing you will telling us that jesus is black too. No black person was ever in Kuwait. The skeletal of a Negroniod or Afronoid was never found over there. Skeletal of blacks in the middle east date back to the days when Egypt was dominatant and then the Roman empire Era, then down up to slaves trading era by the arabs. No skeletal of an Afronoid was ever foound dating back as long as that unless you are telliong me that Adam was a Pharoar, or lived in the Egyptian times. Joyful, can you please qoute and refer us to the source of information, stop feeding us unsupported beliefs, support your statement luv.Strong belief, there is a strong belief that when you a child put their tooth in a shoe they will get money,another strong belief is tat there is an old man who wears read and white who give people presents, they are just strong beliefs, but that doesnt make them true. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mzabalazo
4Biko
I do not think you know people, you think you know people , lets disect what you just said.
You think I had all this time a list of books ready that I copied in case 4Biko asks me where I got all this info. You think I knew that you were going to ask such a question. But I am not suprised, if you believe in Jew who was killed and hanged in a tree, then rose again , you can beleive that I had a list ready. Right where is a challege of your doubts. Get any of those books and ask me where is what who said what which year is and other events. Ie is from any of these books I qouted to you
I have got 8 hard cover books that I summarised the dates of all the fathers in chriastain church up to the counsel of NECAE 325 which adopted a false celebration of chrismas, I challeneg you ask me about that, ask me how nad when did john die, when Ignatious became a biscop of the church( no misspelling biscop as in old English). Our mind is under used I am suppose to read atleast 100 books in a year and all these books that makes you panick were not read in a year but years. So how many books do read in a year, I guess you read a 3 pages, if you are shocked by this. In 6 month I read 2 books by Ray Franse a formr JW which a 967 pages each. Report Abuse
Aug 22, 2011
Mzabalazo
4BIko
Oh I see you confused because I said 15b bible translations, I do not read these translations from page to page,in fact I have read the bible by force when I was young and by choice when the brain washing to its cause so I do not need to read it page by page. When there is a vers Im interested in let say Jeremia 12 :23 I will compare other translation how they put it. That is why I get annoyed when people make excusess because I make sure that I read and compare/. He**l no I do not read these other bibles nor do I read the bible chapter to chapter. My apologies, I did not put the whole thing otgether. Butv as for the other books I read them all and Iam struggling with the Koran,but Ima reading it Report Abuse
Aug 23, 2011
Maxqui-BB
And you just had to enjoy the "many 3 minute" sessions with the man? be His PA? Occassionally Stop on the road for halfway sessions? And sit in, in most of His services and listen to him preach? And All of this is fine with you Ma'am, just a problem when more like you get the same "3minute treatment" from the man? One has to wonder if it's not as Xhosas would say "Bezimuncu kakade" Report Abuse
Aug 24, 2011
Bobie
Mhoro i want you please call me otlo mparolla ka lepara lagago lelekotokoto,i love you Report Abuse
Jan 11, 2012
oomzweListo3
ROMANS 1:21-32 AND 2THEESALONIANS 2:12.....SAYS IT ALL AND Y PPL SHUD B DECIEVED CUZ THEY DENIED THE LORD JESUS AND SALVATION... THEY WILL KEEP ON BEING DECIEVED NO-ONE WILL STOP TILL THEY REPENT, BASOKOLOHE Report Abuse
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PapaJR
Nooo Not him again on spotlight,cheating mmm...??Report Abuse
Mellow
LMAO so Mbhoro is a MINUTE MAN hahahaahahahahaha ouch my stomach is sore so ealry in the morning already hahaahahaaa@Mbhoro Sir if you are capable of doing such incredible miracles as you claim why cant you bless yourself with a working TOOL and a STAMINA hahahahaha sorry i couldnt resist
The woman sounds crazy as well and her story doesnt really add up how can someone employ you without your consent? and actually end up working for him against you will? then go the whole 3min yards?
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Mpotjekegobotje
Sephiri se utolotjwe,yo o botja yola....Tjo,guyz watch out,basadi ba tla le senola!Report Abuse
KHOROMMBI
Guys be serious...this makes me sick...using the namne of God in vain. Is the najme of God for entertainment. Mbhoro please....And U Sowetan...Report Abuse
KHOROMMBI
U can't avoid the wrath of God...I'm telling you...This no joke.Report Abuse
Mosquer
False prophet, sefebe,liar. Nxa!!I don't understand why people can't see
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green2014
I don't sympathise with this woman, if her business is not doing well, there is something wrong with her business plan especially, cash flow projections, price/costing strategy, financial management, marketing strategy etc. She can climb her mountain of stupidity and pray till her voice is hoarse but the business will only recover if she takes corrective action and not fornicate with mboro. It is a positive thing to believe in something in life but you can't stop thinking or acting just because you have prayed, that's delusional. To me, although I don't believe in it, religion is there to give hope but not to perform miracles like jesus walking on water. That's an illusion because for that bugger to have been able to walk on water s/he would have to attain a speed of hundred km/h to compensate for the force of gravity.Report Abuse
joyful
I believe you lady.....eh....PA.... and is a shame what people will do and do believe!fact is no one owns God, every human being have equal access to God thru believing in Jesus's name! you do not need anyone to perform special deliverance, God is not deaf and HE knows u, there is no need to do all this things!
too sad that people have this tendency to "believe" these miracle workers!
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sodoma
mbhoro ke ledimon nkwababaneReport Abuse
cobra
I know de gal, she is a bitch who is after money. now dat everything went 2 a smoke, she is talking nonsence. “Mbhoro” is a FAKE and people continue to listen to his liars.I don't blame him if he is having sex with these girls, they allowed him to touch their vigina in the first place.
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Reyataz
The man is making a killing, getting believers to pay R70 as admin fee to see him perform miracles. Ah, the power of a positive mind-placebo effect!Report Abuse
Kganjor
How can a man of God pray for women a ba phoplophotha.Report Abuse
joyful
I didn't even know he was married! what about kids, does he have any? what kind of example is he setting?who is his wife? why does she not appear on his shows?
anyway, I do hope this is an eye opener ..........I just hope people do see!
u do not need anyone to "take you to God" ....... you can take yourself to before HIS throne, and it cost nothing! until people learn to do that, they will keep on loosing their money and dignity!
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Serene
This story does not add up. there is too much smoke in here. There are lots of things this woman is not telling....anyway she was sleeping with Mbhoro when Mbhoro was still married y cry that he was shagging other girls coz she one of the girls too?Report Abuse
Kaylae
Mbhoro and your lady you are such a bore.now you say he is a 3min man but you agreed to be shagged by a married man and to top it all your pastor.both of you must go where the sun doesn't shine.We need real stories sowetan not this nonsenseReport Abuse
Mosquer
KganjorHow can a man of God pray for women a ba phoplophotha.
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A man of God...??????
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nevus
yha ausi you've been enjoying those three minutes all along now that its over o batla re tsebe?you and mbhoro must go to hell its non of our business gore bosatan ba etsang behind closed doors.Report Abuse
MaLindo
i don't know her but would believe her and the Albeton Mcdonald know this guy very well. One time i took my daughter for lunch at Mc D and found Mboro there with almost 5-6 young gal who look like the came from a club all dirty and stuff he bought them food and he was all over one of the chick, she looked like the ring leader and got out all into Mboro's car and let with his bodyguards Weird i tell you. If this man claim his a man of God, his one with no respect for himself.Report Abuse
vilavoco
Ziyadliwa lezingane ngabafundisi kulibe kuthiwa Personal Assistant.Report Abuse
mamaThando
Sies ntombazane how can u even kiss that man awuzithandi wena kuqala nxa! slept him now you running to the media as for Mboro stop ur nonsense, claiming that you can help people sies maanReport Abuse
Nasty-Bis
@ KHOROMMBIFor the first time i hear you make a comment with some sense in it
Im proud of you bra,thats a sing of growth.
People musnt play with Lord
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masepa
The story sound more like a smear campaign.Report Abuse
masepa
@MaLindoAre you saying he must not be seen with little dirty girls and buy them food?
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Mdav
Mbhoro is but a humanbeing and has all the features. He is displaying them thru actions..... Whether u a profet,doctor, nurse,president or officers, you 'll do this. Get me right, I'm not saying it is right.......People wish they were in his position! Jelaa!Hlaba Mbhoro hlaba.......Ziyaletha izfetshana lezi........Nomunye nomunye usebinzisa ithuba alitholile........Kuphela nje dont' videotape! an let them talk..........
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ladygaga
oho now that dilo a di sa tsamaya sharp o mmuwa gampe, hai mara some ppl....lol @ this statement 'I told him it was a sin to have sex before marriage. He said we should do it and then apologise.” bwahahahahhaha mbhoro ke tsotsi hahhahahahah im sure he slept with all his assistants already
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cobol
@ all . you can say what ever you want about u-mbhoro but theres no one like him.sunday world is trying by all means to tarnish his image but im telling you you will never survive.give up sunday world this is the son of god .you can print wrong things about him everyday but im telling you that will nerver change us from being his followers.look sunday world if you need stories to up your sales simply come to our church on sunday , im telling you you will get good heart warming stories for the next coming 100 years that you can print on a daily base and your journalists will earn 4 times what they making .Report Abuse
KHOROMMBI
Nasty-biss, thyank you man. As a born-again christian, it pain me when people use our Lord's name in vain.Report Abuse
SmartMoa
Mbhoro ke sefebe fela se berekisang lebitso la Morena Jeso in vain. People are so lost. Batho ba tlo tlogela neng go fora ke baruti ba maaka ba berekisang ke sathane like bo Mbhoro?Report Abuse
Grootman!
Big Ups to Mboro! That's a way to go broer! If someone wants favours by offering sex, 'eat them'. I'll also do the same if some foolish woman comes to me with her sh!t and start telling me about the problems she's having. She had evil intentions and Mboro beat her to it.Business problems needs business solutions! 3 minutes or less, fact is, he 'ate' her, and her estranged husband knows about it!
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matzzzzz
some women dnt love themselves..HOW CAN U SLP WITH SUCH A CREATURE TO START WITH SIES!!! ..what a disgrace..Report Abuse
NATAL
@Cobol, you are one of the decieved innocent ppl of God. Leave Mboro's church before it is too late. He is a false Prophet can't you see. Why your prophet specialises in healing the problems of private parts. Why would a true prophet uses water, petrolium jelly, and satinary pads etc for healing, why the tangeable things. Because biblical we are only allowed to apply olive oil not all of the above. I have see the episodes on Soweto TV, lately you sing more about Mboro than you do about God. I heard that Queen Iyaya Sesoko is one of the junior prophets there, I trust she is now born again christian to hold such an important position at church. The bible warned us that the false prophets in nthe last day will perform many miracles to deveive many, so don't be deceived by seeing Mbhoro performing miracles that is not the sign that he is a true prophets, the bible says they will manage to perform such miracles assisted by the powers of darkness, the bible says they will also call the name of another Jesus, so don't be decieved just because a false prophet do call the name of Jesus. The bible says we will distinguish between the true and false prophets by their fruits. Check Mbhoro's fruits......Report Abuse
nevus
what a stupid woman she hanged her dirty linen in public(as per Gigolo)Report Abuse
Ntotoemonate
Morning All, Ke tshwere ke "Ntoto Babelaas". Le re Mboro o entseng? I am too lazy to click on the sunday world link.Report Abuse
sh!tFaceSamsung
"....I could feel his manhood was aroused and I froze with fear."-------------------------------------------
hahahahaha eish women: sometimes crazy nehh: or want to tarnish the image of mbhoro
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sh!tFaceSamsung
Ntotoemonate - Ke tshwere ke "Ntoto Babelaas"------------------
are u trying to tell us, got it all 2 in one over the weekend 'alcohol + sex'
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JUBJUB
Stupid WomanReport Abuse
Ntotoemonate
@sh!tFaceSamsung, No man it was not 2 in 1, It was only rough s*x that I last had when we first met in 2005. I wonder who is the b*tch that made him get his groove back. U know bo makhwapheni strenghthens the home.Report Abuse
Mybra
Maar okusele u MBHORO ukudlile wena. Mzalwane.Report Abuse
Mybra
Now Sowetan must get us the three minutes video yalomfundisi edla ibandla e pulpit yakhe.Report Abuse
Thor_Fulgur
All I can say is that I am happy that most people are wide awake and see the FAKE that Mboro is! @Green2014....you hit the nail in the head there.Report Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
Sister, you knew that he is married but still went ahead. So now the sh!t has hit the fan, we must symphatise. It is not our fault that he is 3minute man and not the stallion you thought he is. Since he helps guys with their vuvuzelas so you thought he will be singing "all nithg long" with you ko dikobong.Funny, o kwatetse ho*re ha o nyatsi No.1 hona le ba bang........
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Papage
Eish ke Moruti o, ka mahlo a red, o kare o tsuba motokwane yo! women please, please, please stop been fooled like kids, why always put yourself in shit. hell knows, this is a women's month and these is what you do to yourself. this is disgusting to say the least, I am embarased, by both of you Elderly people. What about your childred, will they still respect you after this story? I feel sorry for the poor children who look up to their parents. God will never let you go unpanished, repent nowReport Abuse
Galfrend
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned! They can both go to hell!Report Abuse
cobol
@ natal. correction there he does no specialise in healing problems of private parts and he is not a healer , jesus is the healer .mbhoro is just a bridge for you and me to connect to jesus . look people you can scream , shout , swear and call all this funny names but one thing for sure it ain't gonna change us .Report Abuse
G-ruff
Somebody is telling lies in this article.Report Abuse
Mybra
A preacher once said a woman is a helper.Any man, doing anything, will get a helper.
Even MBHORO gets help.
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sh!tFaceSamsung
Ntotoemonateif given any chance would u realy be happy to do it again le bo makwapheni
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nevus
Mbhoro o ba je wena ha ba go phaphela,every last Sunday of the month most of them had new tight outfits ko kerekeng to impress the pastor.And the competition will be between the married and young ladies rona they dont even notice that we exist all of them want the loud man infront of us.Am gonna be a pastor le nna will be wearing expensive suits and driving a nice car and chowing a lot kuku than the king.Report Abuse
4biko
@Cobol - do you think that the Mboro is genuine?My view - the girl allowed Mboro to use her.
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Mybra
The real victim in this whole story is Mapaseka's wife.Incredible things are hjappening in her life.
The husband is cheating on her.
Congregants who call her "Mamfundisi" are sleeping with her hubby.
Incredible indeed!
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Galfrend
Cobol-Im curious dude,what exctaly happens in that church.I hear you guys dont read the bible is that true?And why do you write God with a small letter g?Im just curious my dear,please break it down for me,do people really give birth to fish and stones,do people really get healed there?Report Abuse
Mybra
uMbhoro uya Rocka.For three minutes?
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4biko
@GalfrrendI have seen the guy on tv a few times - i have never seen him give a proper sermon.
Fish and stone stories are just plain lies - Where was the fish?
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Mybra
GalfrendCobol-Im curious dude,what exctaly happens in that church.I hear you guys dont read the bible is that true?And why do you write God with a small letter g?Im just curious my dear,please break it down for me,do people really give birth to fish and stones,do people really get healed there?
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cobol is under MBHORO's spell.
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Mybra
4biko@Galfrrend
I have seen the guy on tv a few times - i have never seen him give a proper sermon.
Fish and stone stories are just plain lies - Where was the fish?
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Where was the fish? You tell us.
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Ntotoemonate
@Sh!tFaceSamsung, Why not?Report Abuse
Galfrend
4biko-Have you ever heard him qouting some verses from the bible?About Fish and stones,well thats what they call miracles a kere...lol
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Mybra
When this married mzalwane felt the man of god's aroused manhood, she froze with fear.So, she was a frozen fearful turkey. Always frozen and fearful?
Lying spirit!
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Galfrend
4BIKO-Oh I got you wrong.You mean you have NEVER seen him give a proper sermon,thought you said you have seen him give a proper sermon.My bad.Thats the thing,I have never seen him qoutng verses from the bible,all he "preaches"about is vuvuzelas and biscuits.
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Preacher
MBHORO does actually read the bible. Even satan quoted the bible at Jesus Christ of Nazareth in the wilderness. Reading from the bible is no evidence that a man is called of God.Report Abuse
4biko
my knowledge of the scripture is better than this Mboro guy...A friend of mine likes to say - Baloi ga ba sale ko magaeng - ba bula dikereke. They want benefits. HaHAHA!
Mboro - boloi fela.
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Galfrend
Preacher-NO ONE said reading the bible IS evidence that a man is called of God.Report Abuse
spokowee
Sesi wee sale wa bona kae ngaka e kalafa, Mbhoro wa tshogelwa moes cos kemo o kgona go dira for 3minutes, o rata dilo maan o laile setlaela ke wena.Report Abuse
Preacher
GalfrendPreacher-NO ONE said reading the bible IS evidence that a man is called of God
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You did not say so my sister. But there are people who believe that. Honestly.
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nevus
@Preacher exactly!!Report Abuse
ntshware-ke-yawa
“Three minutes for him is too much when we have sex.”---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
mmhhhhhhhhh, it seems most women are starving out there.
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4biko
ntshware-ke-yawa“Three minutes for him is too much when we have sex.”
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mmhhhhhhhhh, it seems most women are starving out there
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They blame stress... i think it is the food/diet mordern men eat. I know a lot of unhappy women
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Galfrend
Preacher-I got you.Report Abuse
lovesucks
copy n paste guys plz ..can't read da storyReport Abuse
WordofGod
aaaiiii! am so speechless . . .Report Abuse
Galfrend
@LOVESUCKS_________________________________________________________________________________-
Controversial “prophet” and pastor Paseka “Mbhoro” Motsoeneng is learning that hell hath no fury like a woman cheated on.
Mbhoro has allegedly been getting to “know” his patient and personal assistant Olipha Dube-Modiga in the biblical sense behind his wife’s back.
Now the extra-marital affair has backfired and is the subject of a police matter after Mbhoro laid charges of intimidation and crimen injury against her.
And Olipha is singing like a canary about their furtive dalliance, after making a statement to the Alberton police, she spilt the beans to Sunday World.
She alleges Mbhoro is a brittle-boned sissy who is being beaten up by his wife Mokgadi.
And though Mbhoro is well-endowed, he is not a marathon runner but a sprinter in bed.
“Three minutes for him is too much when we have sex.”
Other details are too graphic for publication.
“I asked myself why he can’t help himself because he claims to help other people,” she says.
Olipha says she first went to Mbhoro’s Incredible Happenings Church in Katlehong, Ekurhuleni in January in the hope of getting divine intervention when she was in need.
“I told him what my problem was and he said I had to be delivered from the demons that possessed me. He then prayed for me,” she says.
Olipha says Mbhoro asked her to come with him to his house in Alberton in Jozi so he could completely banish her evil spirits.
“I sat on the couch in his house and he came and sat on my lap with his legs around my body. He then asked me why my demon was not manifesting,” she says.
“He then pressed himself against me and I could feel his manhood was aroused and I froze with fear.
Olipha says Mbhoro asked her why she came to his church. “I told him I wasn’t well, my businesses weren’t doing well and that I had a relationship problem with my estranged husband.
“He said he would see what he could do and let me leave.
“A few days later he called me and asked me to come to his house again. He then asked me to accompany him to the bank.
“While in the car, outside the bank, he told me God had showed him what to do but he wouldn’t do it because he can’t ‘cook the food for another man’.
“I asked him if he loved me but he never said anything. I then told him I was leaving and he told me I was going to die,” she says.
She says a few days later he summoned her to his house again. Mbhoro sent two church members into the room in which she was waiting and they asked her if she was willing to ask God to give her the man He wants instead of her reconciling with her man. I told them I wanted Mbhoro to help me solve my problems with my partner and not to give me another man,” she says.
“They then asked: ‘What if God sent you to this church to find the man He had reserved for you?’ I ended up saying if that is God’s wishes I would accept it.
“And they asked what I would do if that man was Mbhoro.”
Olipha says she flipped her lid and tried to leave the house, but Mbhoro emerged and again threatened to curse her to death.
“I then apologised and left.”
Olipha says Mbhoro employed her as his personal assistant without her consent. She had continued attending his church, so she often found herself in his company.
“When he spoke on the phone he’d say: ‘No, speak to my PA’, give it to me and tell me what to tell them.”
She says they eventually struck up a relationship after Mbhoro confessed his undying love for her.
She says when she asked him where his wife was he told her they were in the process of divorcing because she ‘donder hom goed’.
“From there it was an everyday thing. He’d call and say: ‘Babe, do that thing you do to me.’He’d even park his car alongside the road so I could...”
She tells us how Mbhoro first asked her to go all the way.
“He said the things I did to him were amazing and he wanted to experience my ability when we go full steam. I told him it was a sin to have sex before marriage. He said we should do it and then apologise.”
She says their first sexual encounter was at his house and they used a condom.
Olipha says their relationship blew up when she discovered he was shagging other girls too.
“I told him I’m not prepared to share him with other people because I’m a Christian, so I dumped him and even left his church,” she says.
Olipha says he threatened to kill her if she went public about their affair. And in what she says was a bid to prevent her from exposing him, Mbhoro opened a case of crimen injuria and intimidation against her at Alberton police station on Tuesday.
Olipha was arrested and released on R500 bail.
She will appear at Germiston Magistrates’ Court on Wednesday.
“The police phoned me and said they wanted to ask me questions about my car. When I arrived there they arrested me for insulting and intimidating Mbhoro on Tuesday.
“The truth is I phoned him and told him I’d beat him too if he doesn’t stop preaching about me in church.”
Mbhoro ignored our calls and messages we left on his cellphones.
Police spokesperson Manaka Raphulu confirms Mbhoro opened a case of crimen injuria against Olipha, that she was released on R500 bail and that she will appear in court on Wednesday.
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@lovesuckshere u go. le wena tlogela go beraka mandia
Controversial “prophet” and pastor Paseka “Mbhoro” Motsoeneng is learning that hell hath no fury like a woman cheated on.
Mbhoro has allegedly been getting to “know” his patient and personal assistant Olipha Dube-Modiga in the biblical sense behind his wife’s back.
Now the extra-marital affair has backfired and is the subject of a police matter after Mbhoro laid charges of intimidation and crimen injury against her.
And Olipha is singing like a canary about their furtive dalliance, after making a statement to the Alberton police, she spilt the beans to Sunday World.
She alleges Mbhoro is a brittle-boned sissy who is being beaten up by his wife Mokgadi.
And though Mbhoro is well-endowed, he is not a marathon runner but a sprinter in bed.
“Three minutes for him is too much when we have sex.”
Other details are too graphic for publication.
“I asked myself why he can’t help himself because he claims to help other people,” she says.
Olipha says she first went to Mbhoro’s Incredible Happenings Church in Katlehong, Ekurhuleni in January in the hope of getting divine intervention when she was in need.
“I told him what my problem was and he said I had to be delivered from the demons that possessed me. He then prayed for me,” she says.
Olipha says Mbhoro asked her to come with him to his house in Alberton in Jozi so he could completely banish her evil spirits.
“I sat on the couch in his house and he came and sat on my lap with his legs around my body. He then asked me why my demon was not manifesting,” she says.
“He then pressed himself against me and I could feel his manhood was aroused and I froze with fear.
Olipha says Mbhoro asked her why she came to his church. “I told him I wasn’t well, my businesses weren’t doing well and that I had a relationship problem with my estranged husband.
“He said he would see what he could do and let me leave.
“A few days later he called me and asked me to come to his house again. He then asked me to accompany him to the bank.
“While in the car, outside the bank, he told me God had showed him what to do but he wouldn’t do it because he can’t ‘cook the food for another man’.
“I asked him if he loved me but he never said anything. I then told him I was leaving and he told me I was going to die,” she says.
She says a few days later he summoned her to his house again. Mbhoro sent two church members into the room in which she was waiting and they asked her if she was willing to ask God to give her the man He wants instead of her reconciling with her man. I told them I wanted Mbhoro to help me solve my problems with my partner and not to give me another man,” she says.
“They then asked: ‘What if God sent you to this church to find the man He had reserved for you?’ I ended up saying if that is God’s wishes I would accept it.
“And they asked what I would do if that man was Mbhoro.”
Olipha says she flipped her lid and tried to leave the house, but Mbhoro emerged and again threatened to curse her to death.
“I then apologised and left.”
Olipha says Mbhoro employed her as his personal assistant without her consent. She had continued attending his church, so she often found herself in his company.
“When he spoke on the phone he’d say: ‘No, speak to my PA’, give it to me and tell me what to tell them.”
She says they eventually struck up a relationship after Mbhoro confessed his undying love for her.
She says when she asked him where his wife was he told her they were in the process of divorcing because she ‘donder hom goed’.
“From there it was an everyday thing. He’d call and say: ‘Babe, do that thing you do to me.’He’d even park his car alongside the road so I could...”
She tells us how Mbhoro first asked her to go all the way.
“He said the things I did to him were amazing and he wanted to experience my ability when we go full steam. I told him it was a sin to have sex before marriage. He said we should do it and then apologise.”
She says their first sexual encounter was at his house and they used a condom.
Olipha says their relationship blew up when she discovered he was shagging other girls too.
“I told him I’m not prepared to share him with other people because I’m a Christian, so I dumped him and even left his church,” she says.
Olipha says he threatened to kill her if she went public about their affair. And in what she says was a bid to prevent her from exposing him, Mbhoro opened a case of crimen injuria and intimidation against her at Alberton police station on Tuesday.
Olipha was arrested and released on R500 bail.
She will appear at Germiston Magistrates’ Court on Wednesday.
“The police phoned me and said they wanted to ask me questions about my car. When I arrived there they arrested me for insulting and intimidating Mbhoro on Tuesday.
“The truth is I phoned him and told him I’d beat him too if he doesn’t stop preaching about me in church.”
Mbhoro ignored our calls and messages we left on his cellphones.
Police spokesperson Manaka Raphulu confirms Mbhoro opened a case of crimen injuria against Olipha, that she was released on R500 bail and that she will appear in court on Wednesday.
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lindsay
And though Mbhoro is well-endowed, he is not a marathon runner but a sprinter in bed.see there is evidence size does not matter.
@ Nevus
ya gagagagagagagaagag don't be a hater that the preacher is getting some hahahahaha competition : lol you killed me.
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Preacher
This lady complainant is just the same with MBHORO. They have laid charges against each other. Paul said it is not supposed to be among believers. So, both of them are actually unbelievers. Don't you know that we shall judge the world? So, when you ask the world to judge you, you have descended to their level and have become one with them.Report Abuse
Galfrend
WOG-HAHAHAHAAAAA AND NOW?A KERE I'VE PASTED ALREADY...LOLReport Abuse
nevus
@Lindsay-i dont hate babes but annoyed that 20-28 women will want 1 man out of 40-56 men haikhona,mara ku zo lunga.eish bathong be gentle ka space tuu.
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WordofGod
@galfrendi think we did it simultaneously dear. howz things with @nevus? hope u worked out things neh! phela u r meant to be together, this is a divine connection . . . lol!
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Preacher
“The police phoned me and said they wanted to ask me questions about my car. When I arrived there they arrested me for insulting and intimidating Mbhoro on Tuesday.**********************************************************************
So the police lied to you. When the police lie, we have a national problem.
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dre10
When this guy was moving to new premises, he said he was going to slaughter cows, that is when i realised this guy is a false prophet.Report Abuse
Galfrend
@WOG-Yah I think we did.Eish can we not talk about that please,me and him,divine connection what what ,can we not talk about that today please, neh?Rather tell me how your weekend was?Did you pray for me?Report Abuse
4biko
@dre10kare Boloi fela.
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“He said the things I did to him were amazing and he wanted to experience my ability when we go full steam. I told him it was a sin to have sex before marriage. He said we should do it and then apologise.”
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Heheheheheheeee,and apologise later?hehehee sick!
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dre10When this guy was moving to new premises, he said he was going to slaughter cows, that is when i realised this guy is a false prophet.
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So, a guy who slaughters cows is a false prophet? You mean we cannot have beef now?
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Olipha says their relationship blew up when she discovered he was shagging other girls too.“I told him I’m not prepared to share him with other people because I’m a Christian, so I dumped him and even left his church,” she says.
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Now this is the greatest lie told by Olipha.
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@dre10Slaughtering cows means fall prophet?
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4biko
@PreacherNice one!!
But as an African i know what the meaning of that blood that was shed...
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@nevuswhat space? ga o na dishares mo sowetan mann!!!
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yes i did and for everyone. ok! i wil not.
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4bikontshware-ke-yawa
“Three minutes for him is too much when we have sex.”
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mmhhhhhhhhh, it seems most women are starving out there
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They blame stress... i think it is the food/diet mordern men eat. I know a lot of unhappy women
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4biko; you say u know a lot of them,tjoooooooo,I wish I was you mchana
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4biko@Preacher
Nice one!!
But as an African i know what the meaning of that blood that was shed...
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The blood of cows? It meant nothing. just that cows were slaughtered and people
were going to have beef. All else is pure speculation.
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i always knew dat something was wrong with dis prophet. ja neh!Report Abuse
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Preacher-As much as you are also speculating that cows were slaughterd for beef,allow us to also speculate that cows might have been slaughterd for other reasons.Report Abuse
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GalfrendPreacher-As much as you are also speculating that cows were slaughterd for beef,allow us to also speculate that cows might have been slaughterd for other reasons.
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That people who were there on that day ate beef cannot be disputed. It is fact and not
speculation. All else is.
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Men with huge di.cks can't fcuk..... .MR BIG German cut , example.Now Moruti last for 180 seconds only.....
I am challenging bloggers......Minimum requirements :
15 cm + length and 3cm + thickness.....( no anacondas please)
Duration: 15 minutes plus.....I don't need 2 hours to climax.
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Galfrend n Word of God tx Darlings....m thnkn of visiting man of God Mbhoro 4 beta job ...kikikikiii....Report Abuse
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@4bikoEvery blood of specific blood with specific purpose? African magic again?
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@PreacherProbably - just simulating all probabilities.
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LOL!
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PreacherGalfrend
Preacher-As much as you are also speculating that cows were slaughterd for beef,allow us to also speculate that cows might have been slaughterd for other reasons.
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That people who were there on that day ate beef cannot be disputed. It is fact and not
speculation. All else is
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How do you know that for sure?Where you there?It can actaully be disputed unless of course you were there yourself!We are all commenting on assumptions here.
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Lovesucks-*wink*Good luck! LOLReport Abuse
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@Tpazwhat is the max if you dont want anacondas?
@Masepa
I am just stating some of the possible reason for the shedding of blood.
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@TPAZTry me,I have all the requirements.
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Guys no offense, is this man really a pastor or it is just a cover to make money and abuse women?Report Abuse
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@4bikoNot all cow blood is asumed to be sacrifice in African practices but there are specific rituals where the cow is sacrifice and the blood used for specific rituals. Not all Africans believe that and we must all know that religion is a choice, each and every one of us choses her/his religion based on reason and not because it was practiced by our ancestors.
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Preacher-As much as you are also speculating that cows were slaughterd for beef,allow us to also speculate that cows might have been slaughterd for other reasons.
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That people who were there on that day ate beef cannot be disputed. It is fact and not
speculation. All else is
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How do you know that for sure?Where you there?It can actaully be disputed unless of course you were there yourself!We are all commenting on assumptions here.
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I was not there. I spoke to people who went there and did not assume they were eating the meat;
they ate the meat.
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All have sinned. Olipha, MBHORO, preacher, and all you reading this.Report Abuse
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PreacherGalfrend
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Galfrend
Preacher-As much as you are also speculating that cows were slaughterd for beef,allow us to also speculate that cows might have been slaughterd for other reasons.
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That people who were there on that day ate beef cannot be disputed. It is fact and not
speculation. All else is
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How do you know that for sure?Where you there?It can actaully be disputed unless of course you were there yourself!We are all commenting on assumptions here.
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I was not there. I spoke to people who went there and did not assume they were eating the meat;
they ate the meat.
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You are so stubborn! Anyway you win.
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“He said the things I did to him were amazing and he wanted to experience my ability when we go full steam. I told him it was a sin to have sex before marriage. He said we should do it and then apologise.”================================================================================
Hahahhaahahahahaha mbhoro ke tsotsi kikikikikikki.mara o le mosa*di o nyetswe e be someone a tla ka story like this go go nyoba o bo dumela?3 minutes of nie 3 minutes bottom line o jele kuku ya gago mbhoro and o maaka ne o se na timer gore o bue di 3 minutes hiso
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@GigoloHe is a fraudster and a liar.
Actually when i was retrenched i thought of opening my own church. People are just plain gullible. They believe any rubbish you tell them. You just need one well ochastrated good deed. You will have them eating at the palm of your hands - especially women, the poor, those who are allegic to reading and thinking for themselves and the emotionally bankrupt. My mom told me that i will be leading people astray... all the moral issues. I stopped.
and some women are just attracted to the bad boy!!!
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PreacherAll have sinned. Olipha, MBHORO, preacher, and all you reading this.
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No one said we have never sinned.
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Now Olipha's hubby can file for divorce.Report Abuse
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It's my birthday today, can someone cheer me up by singing for me!!Report Abuse
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Happy Birthday Fergie *singing*Report Abuse
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Happy Birthday ''''''FERGIE"""""Report Abuse
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@FergieCome to my office mapona and I will sing for you on top of my voice.
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FergieHave a lovely one! Spoil yourself -
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Mffffmmm, she wanted him, sh emust stop waisting our time with her nonsence.. Why did she keep going back to Mbhoro's place after the first encounter if she did not want him..Th emiracle she needed was that of having sex outside her marriage.. She shouldbe ashamed of herself because, while she was marriede she slept with another man who is also married.
Mbhoro is a grace to the Christian community.. atsho ngeengcangula zamazipho..sies man... how do even sleep with a man like that with such looong nails.. disgusting
@Mellow.. Staminaaa yah the woman is crazy.. uyasihlaza as ladies qha..
@green2014.. She can climb her mountain of stupidity and pray till her voice is hoarse
True that
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They had sex and then did not apologise. Now on wednesday, they will be at court. I wish I had a car. Would have gone to listen.Report Abuse
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Fergie-Happy birthday gal,wish you many more!Report Abuse
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Thanx guys *smiling*Bluemas
I'm afraid of cameras, front page stories is not my thing darling...
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@GalfrendHi babysister, are you ok?
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FergieThere's always a new story on the front page. Readers forget.
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@FergieI will make sure that the office is clean, free of electronic gadgets.
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4bikoThank you scarry stuff, am catholic our priests are known for fondling boys not women and it is just as bad and embarrassing being a member of the church but this. This woman is silly though, going to the pastor's house for an intervention and going as far as allowing yourself to be reduced to a PA when in her own admission she has businesses. I am still thinking of opening my church. There are many Pastor Chris's in South Africa.
Question: Why do we have so many nigerian churches in SA which are not even registered and nothing happens to them and Pastors buy*ng jets
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tpazMen with huge di.cks can't fcuk..... .MR BIG German cut , example.
Now Moruti last for 180 seconds only.....
I am challenging bloggers......Minimum requirements :
15 cm + length and 3cm + thickness.....( no anacondas please)
Duration: 15 minutes plus.....I don't need 2 hours to climax.
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don't look further am available hun- mi pinini is much less- so don't stress ka anaconda : carnal knowledge
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@GalfrendShe is been dumped by the whittys that is why she is back to u. Uwele! puuu phantsi ngesiso.
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Fergiehappy-birth-birthday little woman : have lovely day dear
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@Fergie-happppppppyyyyyyyyyyyy,yanong e kae kuku?WordofGod
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what space? ga o na dishares mo sowetan mann!!!
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between your legs,as long as ke sena tsona mo wena dont worry.
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@GigoloNigerians drug infested churches are everywhere in SA because we allow them to be here. In PTA, JHB, and CT there is a nigerian run church in every run down building. Interesting SA are attending those churches - and bringing their tithe and offering.
Some Nigerian came to SA flying economy on some cheap airline now flies BA/SAA first class when he goes home -
As a bible scholar i know that this was spoken about - they are here to lead the blind masses astray.
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@nevusjaaa wena snai
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gigolo4biko
Thank you scarry stuff, am catholic our priests are known for fondling boys not women and it is just as bad and embarrassing being a member of the church but this. This woman is silly though, going to the pastor's house for an intervention and going as far as allowing yourself to be reduced to a PA when in her own admission she has businesses. I am still thinking of opening my church. There are many Pastor Chris's in South Africa.
Question: Why do we have so many nigerian churches in SA which are not even registered and nothing happens to them and Pastors buy*ng jets
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Nothing happens to them? Or you meant our government is not taking action against them.
Because the devil is presently headquartered in Nigeria, but is hungrily prowling out there like a lion, seeking to devour South Africa. Will the believers say: Amen.
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Mboro ke njavana, ke graduate yako ModderB. He is making a kill from ignorant people.Report Abuse
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@4bikoYa, Nigerians are making it big in SA using the name of God to rob. They threaten and lie in there, yet many women who are mainly profesionals are following.
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I saw an old taxi in Lagos. You know what's written on it? "Unto God."Report Abuse
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@Bluemas-neeee wena sganaiReport Abuse
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Nigerian men wear long dresses. Sies!Report Abuse
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@MasepaThats what i dont understand. I have two friends with Msc ni the field of science and Engineering, they attend one of these Nigerian churches. They come home after 9pm three times a week doing bible study...
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Religion is the most dangerous tool of mind control ever invented by human beings. Life would have been much better without these brain numbing teachings. Even the most intelligent person can be so fooled by religious leaders, they are the worst manipulators,worse than politicians and they have been doing this for a very long time.Report Abuse
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I am patiently waiting for KUKU to comment.Again it is a "Kuku" on the spotlight that's all i have to say.
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Thats what i dont understand. I have two friends with Msc ni the field of science and Engineering, they attend one of these Nigerian churches. They come home after 9pm three times a week doing bible study...
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They are down sinking... Their monies are going to the Nogerian pastor and by the time
they open their eyes, they will be as bankrupt as the churchmouse. Watch this space.
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PreacherWhen I say nothing happens to them I meant we tend to scrutinise the fake churches run by the South Africans as opposed to Nigerians, case in point we all have something to say about how fake Mboro is what about Pastor Chris? I am not even going to get on the government part there are over 400 churches (reportedly) but only 27 are registered as members of SACC and not even ZCC and Shembe for example are registered. Yet they are exempted from paying they are part of Section 21 but they are a profit making institutions, where would a pastor get money to b.y a jet let alone maintaining it? Tax man should start visiting these people.
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@MzabalazoIt think you are refering to blindly following a religion - some of the greatest men who had a great impact on the world that were are living in were very relogious - Martin Luther, Lartin Luther Jnr, The first president of the ANC (forgot his name), Isaac Newton... all these men were bible scholars and it reflected in the character.
The fight my dear - the greatest fight is the fight for the control of your mind. The fight started ages ago
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You know what really upsets me most. People are looking for miracles. They are not after the heart of God. If the church preaches about righteousness, about repentance, about sin, about hell and abot Jesus. Very few people go there.However, if you preach about money, that they will be delivered from their problems. If you stage-manage the events and people rise from their wheel chairs etc. You will see people being very full in that church. They will tell you that you should come to their church and see wonders and miracles. People are looking for miracles not God.
1Timothy 6:5 ... supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
Indeed, they think that when you have money then you are godly. No. Stop looking for miracles and seek God while you can still find Him.
1Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
This woman went to Mbhoro because her business are not doing fine. Now she has pierced herself with sorrows and she is crying foul.
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PreacherNigerian men wear long dresses. Sies!
_________________LOL Whats wrong with that?Its their culture.
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EDIT: about hell and about Jesus.Report Abuse
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gigoloGuys no offense, is this man really a pastor or it is just a cover to make money and abuse women?
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both
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GalfrendPreacher
Nigerian men wear long dresses. Sies!
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LOL Whats wrong with that?Its their culture.
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Ugly culture, yho, just imagine!
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@Preacher_Ugly culture, yho, just imagine!
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Beauty is relative - especially if you view it from the point of the slave master from the EU. All that is not white becomes ugly
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gigoloPreacher
When I say nothing happens to them I meant we tend to scrutinise the fake churches run by the South Africans as opposed to Nigerians, case in point we all have something to say about how fake Mboro is what about Pastor Chris? I am not even going to get on the government part there are over 400 churches (reportedly) but only 27 are registered as members of SACC and not even ZCC and Shembe for example are registered. Yet they are exempted from paying they are part of Section 21 but they are a profit making institutions, where would a pastor get money to b.y a jet let alone maintaining it? Tax man should start visiting these people.
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Nigerians are 419's and they are beyond salvaging. With Mbhoro, our countryman, taking lessons from Nigerian wizards, we can still save him from going down the pit.
The issue is not registration and tax but that churches must do right. I mean, some churches have been in tents for morfe than ten years and yet every week, they collect money from the members, called "building fund" but the buildings are not erected.
Paying taxes will mean them joining forces with corrupt government officials and we may end up worse-off.
As for Chris Oyakhilome and his family, God will deal with them.
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nevusNow I know your true identity because all you stand for is all that this man ever does, alsways in the company of women and doing things he should not be doing with them, what did you get up to this weekend?
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i think we did it simultaneously dear. howz things with @nevus? hope u worked out things neh! phela u r meant to be together, this is a divine connection . . . lol!
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PreacherAs one blogger said it is all about being gullible, do you honestly think Mboro will ever be saved? He is tasted the good life, he is like Julius Malema (in context please) where people do not think he can do wrong he is this perfect being. I referred to them as paying tax cause they use the banner of being a section 21 company and yet they are making profit and they should not be, as for me if I go to church and I keep paying for the building fund for more than three years I don't even so much see the foundation I am so gone.
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_Ugly culture, yho, just imagine!
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Beauty is relative - especially if you view it from the point of the slave master from the EU. All that is not white becomes ugly
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Africans, including Nigerians, never wore cotton dresses before the whites came, if you want to take it there. They wore animal skins. The clothes that we wear today are from the Europeans. So what is your point exactly? You will not use roll-on because you are black and proud? How are you going to deal with the stink of sweaty armpits?
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@nevusvandag ke busy. ga kena nako ya go hlala
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@4bikoAnd this Nigerian pastors do not want to be asked questions about their beliefs, they get angry and promise you the God sjambok, or God burning you alive during the day. All what they do is to threaten you with God like He is their property and in their control, some kind of their pitbull. Women in there are threatened the same way. A case in point is another one in Pretoria, Sunnyside. He was sharing flat when he came here and looking for employment. All of a sudden, he opened a church and in three months, he drove Jeep Cherokee and opened another church in hatfield, again profesional women running around him but I suspect this women want something else, just like in this Mbhoro case.
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@Gigolo-eish you dont wanna know@WOG-wena o hlala mang o sena motho?
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gigoloPreacher
As one blogger said it is all about being gullible, do you honestly think Mboro will ever be saved? He is tasted the good life, he is like Julius Malema (in context please) where people do not think he can do wrong he is this perfect being. I referred to them as paying tax cause they use the banner of being a section 21 company and yet they are making profit and they should not be, as for me if I go to church and I keep paying for the building fund for more than three years I don't even so much see the foundation I am so gone.
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It is not really about the length of time. It is about pastors revealing the church"s financials to
the members. Everybody must know where every cent in the church is going and if there is a plan to put up a building, everyone has to know how far the plan is at every given stage.
Remember in the book of Acts, there is a record there that the apostles said it is not right for them to be looking after the finances but they must preach the gospel. So, they charged the congregation with the task of appointing men from the church, to wait tables. These days, pastors are only interested in the money and nothing else.
If Mbhoro is willing to change, yes he can still change. He was once a humble man of no substance, doing rounds in homes in the East Rand, preaching the gospel. He did not attach any cancy labels then to himself. Somewhere along the line, he met the wrong bunch and is now on the wrong road.
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Wena cobra why o roga ngwana o mong?Did you sleep with her?
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And this Nigerian pastors do not want to be asked questions about their beliefs, they get angry and promise you the God sjambok, or God burning you alive during the day. All what they do is to threaten you with God like He is their property and in their control, some kind of their pitbull. Women in there are threatened the same way. A case in point is another one in Pretoria, Sunnyside. He was sharing flat when he came here and looking for employment. All of a sudden, he opened a church and in three months, he drove Jeep Cherokee and opened another church in hatfield, again profesional women running around him but I suspect this women want something else, just like in this Mbhoro case.
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The Nigerians have been perfecting the art of deception for a long time now. Make no mistake, they are masters at it. Look at the problems the 419 boys are causing even in developed western nations. Point of the matter is that we must not be fooled into desiring the wealth of the wicked for God will breathe just once and they shall be no more.
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I would not have asked had I not wanted to know out with it, I know you are itching to tell me.Preacher
So he is a pastor? A real pastor, that you say took a wrong turn, in that case since God forgives I will open my own church and then will change when I have made enough money cause God is a forgiving God, which is not fair if one puts it like that, he can't have a good life with the proceeds of people gullible people and then claims to be a man of God, that is practically stealing from the people.
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gigoloI would not have asked had I not wanted to know out with it, I know you are itching to tell me.
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So he is a pastor? A real pastor, that you say took a wrong turn, in that case since God forgives I will open my own church and then will change when I have made enough money cause God is a forgiving God, which is not fair if one puts it like that, he can't have a good life with the proceeds of people gullible people and then claims to be a man of God, that is practically stealing from the people
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You can do whatever you like. It's up to you. Yes, you can even steal from the people but when their wrath is turned against you, enjoy. Like Gadafi, like Mubarak and many others whose turn is coming.
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@nevuso bua too much mo, ba go dampile maloba. to me it doesnt matter whether motho or no motho, i have Jesus Christ and thats all that matters right now. and ke busy mannn, ntlogele!!!!
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@PreacherDo you think Gadaffi too was stealing or is making it dificult for Europeans to steal Libya oil? Mubarak was supported by them financially but Gadafi has been pain on their a$$$ and now that their economies are not gaining any meaningful movement, they turn to exploit Africa again.
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4bikoThose were intelligent people with great minds, yet were victims of religion, just like a great person become an alcoholic, that doesnt change the fact that he is naturally intelligent. What Malom X, Martin Luther King and many others were, was not influenced by the bible or Koran, if so every Koran and bible reader/scholar would have acted the way they did. eg Mandela did not become a revolutionary just because he was not a dedicated Christian, Slovo did not become a revolutionary just because he was an atheist. The core of a person is neither build by religion or atheism, it is what the person feels and believe and then build his/her values. eg Paul, Peter who were leaders in the christian religion, discouraged the rebellion of slaves, they encouraged the subjection of slaves to thier masters, and my affording Christians owned slaves, it you read the the book of James in the bible.So is the Koran it encourages slavery. So if these great minds I mensioned/you mensioned were driven or according to you were reflecting the bible/Koran teachings, they would have submitted themselves to the authorities, they would have supported slavery, just as the teachers in the bible did. It was their inner core,that built their values not the bible. The bible's teachings were reflected in the Klu Klux Klan and the NG Kerk too. These people used scriptures that supported their cause. eg Look how the Jewish/Hebrew religion justified us blacks as faulty,we are falsely said we are the descendents of a curse. The racist myth in the bible says, Noah was drunk and Ham laughed at him and when Noah woke up, and was told of the incident, he cursed his grandson, a son of Ham for his father's deed. The cursed grandson was Cush? Do you know who that was? A forefather of blacks, they falsely claim we are the descendents of Cush. Do you know the meaning of the word Cush in Hebrew? Dark. Please read the story of Noah after they had come out of the ark. If you read different translation on Jeremiah 13:23 you will realize that a Cushite is a black man,it reads thus: ...can a Cushite change his skin? other translations reads : Can a black man change his skin? Can an Ethiopian man change his skin? Cush was the alleged cursed son of Ham. Again just see how racists Jeremiah the prophet of god was: Why is he thinking a Cushite would like to change his skin? Because Jeremiah and other prophets of god saw our skin as a curse, something that needs to be changed if possible, if not so. why did he say can an Arab, Greeck, European or Hebrew? It is not the bible that made these intelligent people do what they did, if itb was they wouldnt have ever acted agaqinst the principles of their fore teachers,who preached submission until god's salvation comes on earth, which isnt going to happen because its part of a religoius myth. As much as these people were great,they had a weakness, just like a great person who has a weakness of been an alcoholic. Alcoholism doesnt make you to be a fool,or poor or stupid,but you can be a great professor, leader and or teacher who is an alcoholic, just like Boris Yeltsin,or Steve Thswete. So the weakness of these great minds was to believe a Hebrew myth as the word of god and in the case of Malcom X, believe the myth of Mohammed as the word of god(allah).
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The fact is a man of God needs to know better and show leadership, if he fails it means he is not ready. anyway ... who decides that a person is now a prophet ...Report Abuse
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@Mbabalazo - How did Cush become black? Was his mother black?Report Abuse
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PreacherAm so waiting for Ghadaffi's turn its not even funny.
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Am waiting wena do tell I have a Gautrain to catch lol.
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Mboro o rota jwalo ka kgoho.Report Abuse
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o bua too much mo, ba go dampile maloba
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go dampiwa is an in thing,even uDinny o dumped uKenny so tell me should i be worried for being dumped?
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@Doctor-who - Now this my opinion. I believe the time of the prophets is gone. We can only learn from the written word. If a person tells you "God told me", listen carefully and ask yourself if that is line with the Word of God. If it is not, throw that away.Report Abuse
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masepa@Preacher
Do you think Gadaffi too was stealing or is making it dificult for Europeans to steal Libya oil? Mubarak was supported by them financially but Gadafi has been pain on their a$$$ and now that their economies are not gaining any meaningful movement, they turn to exploit Africa again.
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If Gadafi was not stealing from the people of Libya, there would be no armed rebels storming Tripoli even as we speak. Europe does not steal Libyan oil. They buy it and Gadafi took the money and stashed it into his family's accounts spread over various European countires, the USA and some even here in South Africa. Yes he has been a pain in their ass because of the plane hijackings he bacame synonymous with. As for exploitation, look at how African leaders, former freedom-fighters, are looting the people's resources. May the light of reason shine in your propagandised mind.
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Shredder@Doctor-who - Now this my opinion. I believe the time of the prophets is gone. We can only learn from the written word. If a person tells you "God told me", listen carefully and ask yourself if that is line with the Word of God. If it is not, throw that away.
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You are right. Time for prophets came and went. Now God speaks to us directly. If someone says God told him something about me, I know that person is lying because God should have told me first since it concerns me. Imagine all the prophets in the blue and white tents in the township, all claiming God sent them. Waste. That includes Mapaseka and Chris and Lukau and Oyedepo and all of them.
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@nevusga ke batle go lwana lenna. ke on and off - menopause symptoms dintshwere kudukudu! and o maka mann! pelo ya gago e rotha madi. jst be honest and admit it gore u stil love her
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@WOG-polo ya ka e rothela wena madi.*oops meant say pelo*nna ke rata wena.Report Abuse
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@WOGle feleditše kae le abuti
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@motabolapasanna ga ke itse gore abuti o felletse kae? ga reya kopana. aaiii! wa bona, this is the reason ke dula ke le nosi. banna ba tena
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that is why ba go dampile. o tumme ka dilo tse snaks fela. ke eng dilo tse o di buang jwanong? nxa!
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@NevusHelo babe
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dilleSo Preacher are you a Christain?
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@Shredderspot on! too bad our black people just LOVE miracles! They believe so much in miracle workers, and that had enslaved them........... the same people who say they are "delivering" them are actually binding them, binding them with promises, display of power... all these while enriching themselves!
and there is nothing you and I or anyone can do about it!
it is just with this woman - common sense should have informed her to not be in a house alone with a man(sitting on your lap too!).................
you don't need to be a christian to know it is wrong for someone to do that!
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@MzabalazoLove the argument - but it is so flawed. But i love you thought process.
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The core of a person is neither build by religion or atheism, it is what the person feels and believe and then build his/her values
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Relook and rethink this statement you made earlier. i think it is one of the building block of your argument. I know after careful consideration you will see the flaw.
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“I asked him if he loved me but he never said anything. I then told him I was leaving and he told me I was going to die,” she says._______________________________________________________________
You went there seeking help for your businesses that were going down but
then, being a married woman, you asked a married man whether he loved
you. He said nothing. That was your answer right there.
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@joyful - "and there is nothing you and I or anyone can do about it! "Unfortunately that is the sad truth.
It is not just South Africa blacks, watch TBN. You will see how people love money and they distort the truth of the Word of God.
Speaking of TBN, I was impressed on Saturday, I watched it and there was this pastor from Cavalry Chapel. He preached the Word of God, he talked about sin, righteousness, hell and salvation. People listened attentively and only clapped their hands after he finished. it was not a disorganized sermon where pastors entertain people by making jokes and enticing them about money, but there was order. God is not the author of confusion.
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Shredder@joyful - "and there is nothing you and I or anyone can do about it! "
Unfortunately that is the sad truth.
It is not just South Africa blacks, watch TBN. You will see how people love money and they distort the truth of the Word of God.
Speaking of TBN, I was impressed on Saturday, I watched it and there was this pastor from Cavalry Chapel. He preached the Word of God, he talked about sin, righteousness, hell and salvation. People listened attentively and only clapped their hands after he finished. it was not a disorganized sermon where pastors entertain people by making jokes and enticing them about money, but there was order. God is not the author of confusion
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there is no difference between TBN an MBHORO on Soweto TV and Christ Embassy's Atmosphere
of Miracles. All birds of the same feather. Soon as Mapaseka has money, he will buy a slot on TBN.
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nna ga ke itse gore abuti o felletse kae? ga reya kopana. aaiii! wa bona, this is the reason ke dula ke le nosi. banna ba tena
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that is why ba go dampile. o tumme ka dilo tse snaks fela. ke eng dilo tse o di buang jwanong? nxa!
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@Shredder & JoyfulI think sometimes it is because people are just desperate for healing, desperate to solve their problems. The truth is these guys messages promises that. The sermon dont focus on telling people about their sins - they are focused on "blessings" from God and material accumulation.
Often as people we view a better life as havign a bigger bank balance. Thats why morality is out of the window for a dollar.
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@NevusLenna ke ntse ke go gopotse waitse
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@Preacher - Who is this Mapeseka? I see her name coming up over and over :). You are probably right; there is no difference between all these. That is why I said I was impressed on Saturday because I saw something unfamiliar on that channel.Report Abuse
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ShredderI cannot answer that because the bible myth is written by Hebrews. But my take is that, the myth writer is implying that we are the result of a curse.Cush is cursed by Noah ,due to what one of Noah did and Cush is the son of of Ham.In Genesis, this is the first time a Cushite is mensioned and even then you wont even know that a cushite is a black person as it doesnt give much to people who do not known Hebrew. But to Hebrew whom this myth was written for them, they understood that Cush was dark/black, because the word Cush means Dark/black. Then the rest of the non Hebrew reader only get to understand that Cush is black when they read the book of Jeremiah 13:23.
I myself knows one fact there is white/yellow person who acn give birth to a black person unless if these two things happen: 1) A white or a yellow person had had a sexual relationship with a black person. 2) The white/yellow person has African genes whom they got from one of their ancestors who was black. Here the bible is been so unscientific. Arabs called Adam and Eve give birth to Arab kids who then give birth to other Arab kids,then all of a sudden an Arab Noah's sons give birth to different races, Shem: Gives birth to the Semitic or Shemitic people who were known as Hebrew, then Isrealis and now Jews, Japhet:Gives birth to Indo Europeans.i.e. Greecks, Medo- Persians and Ham: Gives birth to Cushites(blacks), Libya, Canaanites. But here is the myth exposed,Shem give birth to Jews only i.e. one nation only and the two brothers give birth to more than one nations, they produce assoterd, when Jews are just not sharing other nations with their father. Here the writer tries to make Jews/ Hebrews unique, special , superior. The Rabbis take this myth further by preaching that only Shem was born circumsiced and became the great grand father of Abraham. Now this turns the whole thing a lie that the Hebrew were chosen by the Humbleness of Abraham,the bible here shows us that the Hebrews were manufatured to be chosen. The Hebrews/Jews are been promoted by the bible as a special chosen nation, but this racial supremacy is accepted because is preached by the bible, yet we would not have accepted it if it was written in political books, how is this different form the supremacy preached by the Boeremag, Klu Klux Klan and other racial suprimacy theories.And the rest of us are beggers from the blessing of Abraham, even Jesus comes to earth as a Jew, the heavenly reward is called the higher Jerusalem, God is called the god of Isreal, those who are Christians are called in the bible spiritual Jews. As much as the christians writers say we are all welcome but we have to identify ourselves with the Jewish culture. Other than that I find any religion crippling the mind,Islam and Christianity as well as any other religion foreign to Africa is a religious colonialisation.
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@4biko - 1Timothy 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.1Timothy 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
If I may expound on these, I'd say, these people think that godliness is gaining. That is why they always preach about blessings all the time, how your neighbors will envy you. Some even go to such an extend that you have to be rich so that people can see which God you pray unto. But godliness with contentment is great gain, not being wealthy is godliness.
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dilleSo Preacher are you a Christain?
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It does matter, because it will make a case for the argument.
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the lady waphapha,she is now angry that Mbhoro did not take out the usual stones out of her.Otherwise this story does not add up. The lady sounds like a sex addict.Report Abuse
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@nevusis this is the freedom that u always wanted? ke ya go bona gore o busy too much. o playboy mansion wena . . .
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4bikoIts not flawed but its unacceptable to people who have been made to believe that the bible is not flawed. The threat that has been imprinted in our minds that facts against religion are blasphemy and hell is awaiting those who use their brain, those who want to understand the logic in a cruel god who once told Moses to kill,women and children including animals of the Moabites , a god who himself says he will make Pharaoh's heart hard, so as to display his might, how selfish is that, in today's words it is called abuse of power. Because it wanst Pharaoh willingly refusing the Hebrews to leave, but someone so powerful had him by his spell so as to demostrate his power, Pharaoh did not volenteer to be used as a guinue pig of god and Isreal, in today language we call it abuse, god did not get a consent to experiement with Egyptian people's lifes. This was so selfish and inconsiderate and was unjustified. Thats where my point is when I say even intelligent people when they in religion they mind become numb. How can Martin Luther King see such unjust actions of god as worth praising. Imagine , 4Biko a god, something you cannot fight or protect yourself from, killing all the first born children in your country, for the fun of it. hHe god hardened the heart of Pharaoh, that was unjust, uncaring and unsymphathetic and murderous, it cannot be justified in our society today and that means it couldnt be justified then.
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@Mzabalazo - I hear you. Though I don't necessarily agree with you.Report Abuse
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@MzabalazoWho is the myth writer...
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@nevusmxmmmm!!! ke boulela k wena. i rather be a hobbo than wena. kgutlela hae pampiristad.
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tjo!!! a o tlhe . . . lol!
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People might wonder why I call Adam and Eve Arabs, it is because the two rivers that the bible cliam to be bordering the garden of Eden ,Pishon and Gihon are found in Southern Kuwait. So I cannot be a descendent of Arabs. Maybe Isrealis are as they live closer to the Kuwaitis not me.Report Abuse
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@MzabalazoYour thinking reminds me of someone very close to me.Your understanding of who God is not truth. God is love - his character is love.
Out of courosity - What books are you reading?
I enjoy your argument - maybe as i have said reminds me of my dad.
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4Biko the Hebrew nationalists who wrote the Hebrew religious books that christians call them oldtestament.Report Abuse
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"And though Mbhoro is well-endowed, he is not a marathon runner but a sprinter in bed.“Three minutes for him is too much when we have sex.”
Other details are too graphic for publication".........................................................................................................*KILLING MYSELF LAUGHING*
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@MzabalazoHere the bible is been so unscientific. Arabs called Adam and Eve give birth to Arab kids who then give birth to other Arab kids
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who said Adam and Eve were Arabs??? There is strong belief that they were black ............. even more stronger belief that the garden of eden was in Africa............. all researches (scientific, archeoligist, religious) points to all humans originating from Africa................ but not too worry about that, just die and ask God to show you Adam! LOL!
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@tedudireng Mchana, hei ne ke re o one on this 3 minutes session but i was wrong, le Pastor shoo mchana
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MzabalazoI like your passion... but relook at your arguments. They do have flaws.
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@Mzabalazo - The problem is that our righteousness is different from God's kind of righteousness. That is why we all get into all these kinds of problem because we reason to ourselves that we know better. For example, pre-marital sex and adultery. Due to our limited knowledge we thought that we can practice s3x according to our understanding now the whole world is in trouble. This is just one example. I accept His sovereignty, there are some things that I don't understand that God forbids us to do or want us to do or He does but my limited knowledge on such issues don't make me doubt His sovereignty. I think it is evident in many things that we are doing now that are in contrary with The Word of God that those things are steadily putting us in deep trouble.Report Abuse
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As for Mbhoro .......... he is only as powerful, hideous, angelic, demonic....etc....... as long as people allow him!It is amazing that this woman came to church seeking a way to improve her business (surprisingly), but she saw no problem with Mbhoro touching her, sleeping with her...............
unless of course if the business she is in is PROSTITUTION???
South Africans need to wake up! read your bible, spend time with your GOD, know him more as your loving, caring father!
I mean the bible practically says " Trust in the LOrd and you will not be put to shame", it says "Do not put your trust in the sons of men"
oh no, they prefer to hear:
"fire, fire, burn! come out! the party is over!"
and of course vomitting, falling, rolling around, exposed, "prophet" Mbhoro touching their "biscuits"(as he calls it), him inserting his thin fingers with those terrible long nails ko kukung tsa bona, and then make a show of "confessions"!
how humiliating is that!
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@joyful - As for me, it doesn't really bother me about the colour of Adam and Eve. Though I do take your point that they could have been black. It is possible, I don't know. When they talk about the garden of Eden, they talk about the river going through Ethiopia and Ethiopia is in Africa. So, that may support your statement, I don't know.Report Abuse
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Yah reLigion is so flipping confusing!Im getting dizzy just by reading some of these comments!Please continue guys,you are really schooling me religion wise.
@Joyful-LOL She must die and ask God...you crazy wena..LOL
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@tedule dira ke di braai pack tše le dijang mchana, le fetoga dikgogo.
tsoga ka motogo mchana o tla bona, 20 mins +
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ShredderTruth... the thing is we dont know everything. Thats why i always say if you know 10% of the human anatomy and how it functions, 6% of science it is difficult to disprove God. The truth is often the ego to sound clever and well read blinds us to the truth. I know i have my moments of glory which are just nothing but my ego betraying me to display pure stupidity.
The Bible is the easiest book to read but not that easy to understand. You cannot pick up an Ahmed Dedaat book and try to dosprove God. You cannot disprove the existance of God just as much as you cannot disprove love - for He is love.
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one other thing before I go: why is it that all these amazing things happen to blacks??????are demons ONLY terrorising blacks? especially black women????
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@GalfrendYah reLigion is so flipping confusing!Im getting dizzy just by reading some of these comments!
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Lol, I can imagine you pulling your hair, haaaaaa!!!
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@teduo sepetše bjang maloba mchana, ngwana Modimo a ema wa se te ponagatše,
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Joy=Hey befor you go,what do you mean by "amazing" in this context?Remember what happened in Haiti,and Japan?
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@joyfulsometimes they dont even have the decensy to wear good underwear...
I think what we are seeing its spirituality - i have seen some of these events on DSTV - they dont differ from bosangoma. I am of the though somehow people are bringing those practices into the church.
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Shredder and ALL-What other relevant supporting books do you guys read besides the bible.I once tried reading Ellen G.White but picked up some flaws in her arguments.What other books do you read guys?Report Abuse
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4BikoMy understanding of who the god of the bible and the koran are, according to the evidence for m both these books is contradictory to your statement of love. 4Biko if a person promises to t be so vengeful like the god of the bible koran then your understanding of love is flawed. This god is going to burn those who not by the fault of their own chose not to praise him, forever, what kind of love is that. god's faulty creation is blamed on us human, he is the one who failed to create people who will listen to him, he failed to create angels who will listen to him.He even said in Genesis I regret that I created a human. He claims to be having power to see things long before they happen yet he failed to see that one of the angel will turn people against him. by saying he regrets to me it means that he lies to us when he says he can see the future, cause if he did he would have seen how bad the people will be and the create something else that he will not regret about. This god you say is love is so much in love with blood, he buries people alive, 4Biko you do not have the love that the bible and koran claim god has but still even if I did not see you, but have that trust that you will never tell people to kill all women and children, what kind of love and symphaty is that. He told Moses to kill children, 4Biko if that doenst touch you, then you are beyond repair, can a loving person command Isreal to kill defenseless women and children? He killed the daughter of Japhther, the Judge of Isreal for what? This stupid Japhter like most of god's prophets are, he was sent by god to fight one of the Palestinian nations and he asked god to give him power to defeat the enemy and promised god that he will give anyone who will be the first to welcome him from the battle, from his household as a live burning offering, guess who rejoiced that her father has won the battle and wolcomed him.It was the only Child and DAUGHTER of this foolish man. The foolish prophet burned her alive. Read your bible an dyou will see that both Jephter and god broke the law in Duet 12:27 making a burned offering with a child. the bible continues that god smelled a sweet offering, is he a cannibal? read for yourself Judges 11 and see how your god is love.
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GalfrendIam glad that you know about Ellen G. White, I recommend you read everything on her books, and you will see how people can believe all sorts of unbelievable stories. I wish you to read about the founder of Mormons too, Smith, and then read about the founder of WatchTower, Pator CT Russel, but the most intersting chap in the Jehovah's Witnesses is Rutherford the second president, you will be amazed. Go back a little and read some failed prophecies of Miller whom The Seveth Adventist broke away from adn then read about Goerge Storr one of the Adventist preacher and writer in the 1700's he too had failed prophecies. Interesting luv.
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@Galfrend - I think by amazing she meant strange.Report Abuse
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Tjo-Mzabalazo,yah gal respect to you.Your arguments are a real eye opener.And thank you for the recommendations,just wrote them down and will try to find them.
Just wondering though,are you a Christian?
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@Galfrend - I once read "Book of Facts", I must get it. I don't know where I am gonna get it, but my friend had it. I wonder if he still does.Though I believe The Bible more than other books. I can use other material to get the exact location because The Bible already has been written in historical sense.
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@Mzabalazo - But all those religions like the Mormons, and others, they are cults and do not teach what the Bible teaches.Report Abuse
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What happenedto my comment.I have read EGW book years ago. i enjoyed it. As a scientist a balance view i came across was from Dwight Nelson. His argument on creation and evolution - the role of science are mind provoking.
Mzabalazo -
God is love - why am i saying this:
He says thou shall not steal, kill, commit adultery, envy your bretheren things... all this shows his love for humanity. If we keep thse commandments of love there will be no war, rape, HIV ... It is His law of loove to
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Shredder-Who is the writer of book of facts?Report Abuse
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MzabalazoHave you really read the books you mentioned or you read someone commenting on them. Can you honestly say that you have sat and studied and anaylsed the books you qouted.
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@Garlfrend, Shredder, MzaEnjoy your evening.
Mza i hope you come across the truth you seek. Clear the clutter you will be shocked what you will see.
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@Galfrendjust came back to answer your question.
when I say "all amazing things happens to ONLY blacks", I was referring to all these "miracles":
- stones coming from a person's kuku
- a woman supposedly giving birth to live fish
-people "burning" while due all kinds of crazy act (falling, rolling, undressing themselves, vomitting)
- watch all these "miracles" channels, I guarantee you that 99% of "delivarance" are blacks, of which 101% are black women!!!!
and I ask why? what about other races (whites, chinese, indians etc)? do these "demons" only choose blacks???????????????
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Too much judgementalism on little knowledge. But it is written:"For now we know in part and prophesy in paert but then we shall know in full..."
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just came back to answer your question.
when I say "all amazing things happens to ONLY blacks", I was referring to all these "miracles":
- stones coming from a person's kuku
- a woman supposedly giving birth to live fish
-people "burning" while due all kinds of crazy act (falling, rolling, undressing themselves, vomitting)
- watch all these "miracles" channels, I guarantee you that 99% of "delivarance" are blacks, of which 101% are black women!!!!
and I ask why? what about other races (whites, chinese, indians etc)? do these "demons" only choose blacks???????????????
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4BikoSome of the books I have read:
The rise of Christianity by W.H.C. Frend.
Millennium : The end of the world and the forging of christendom by Tom Holland.
The Dead Sea Scroll Deception by Micheal Baigent and Richard Liegh.
The God Fallacy by Laurence Kalnln.
Jesus By Micheal Grant
The lost years of Jesus by Elizabeth Clare Prophet
The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins
God is not Great: How religion poisons everything by Christopher Hitchenes.
Th e Holy Bible 15 English Translation.
Islam: A brief history by Paul Lunde
Muhammad: by Karen Amstrong
Infidel : My life by Ayaan Hirsi Ali
The Koran translated from the Arabic by J.M. Rodwell
Researching how the other churches that started after the protestant evolution and recent churches ie started in the 60's.
The most valuable teacher in all this is life experience, newpaper publication on religion's accumulation of wealth.
People I know.
I had a lot of interest in studying JW Watchtowers' history,Adventists' history, Mormon's history and Evengelists( Goerge Bush 's faith). After I finish Islam as it is not going to take that long,thanks to the lady Ayaan who gave me much detailed injustices and violence in Islam through her lovely book Infidel, Karen Armstrong, a former Nun also gave me a better picture about the life of Mohammad, who married a 12yrs old gilr. I would like to research in details, Ama Nazaretha( Shembe) ZCC and Sephiri as well as IPC Modise. The Zions abapostoli, need only to findout when did the start and by whom, which is going to be a challenge,but other than that.
The other thing I want to learn more about is magic/illussion because I suspect humans established formal religous worship after they discovered magic/illussions, which is simply how to trick the mind. I have a strong suspicion on that. You can just imagine how people are persuaded by the power of miracles( which is magic) and is not long lasting,seen by the few,and occuring insecluded places.
The bible also helps me unlearn all the myth that I was spoon fed by my parents and the community at large, It is has been of great help.
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4BikoYou asked me what which book did I read out of good faith and my answer is out of good faith. look i advice you you save the blog we post on and you will see that I have a lot of info and my comments on my post on the same issues is supported by different materials. Unless you think Iam a genius, all of this info Im posting is my work,I will be gladly accept that flettery but that wouldnt be true. My instinct and my hunger to know drove me to this desparation on knowledge. One white girl in a conference in Zeerust said to me, she heard that if you want to hide something from a black person put it in a book. I was so angry but,because she said that when teh conference started and I never saw her again for three years. But when I thought about that I found a certain truth on her statement, but that statement was wrong on one thing, selection of blacks as the only people whom you can hide something in a book. I had to prove my hypothesis that if you want to hide some thing for people wether its most or some, put it in a book.
I asked Kerry who is a dedicated Lutheran and a former colleague about 4 question, the first was is there a book of Habakuk. She looked puzzled and asked me if the writer was an African, Kerry is white, she carries a bible every Sunday yet she thinks the book of Habakuk has to an African book somewhere. To cut things short, these questions were from the bible and were not even difficult.
Yasser a Moslem: I asked him if he does eat a fish which is not hallal, he said no, it should be hallal. The koran says fish lives in the water therefore its clean,it doesnt need to be hallal.
I ask Christians even on such posts and find out that though they qoute the popular scriptures they do not know the ones I bring forth, some were taken by suprise that all five witnesses who claimed to have lived with Jesus and those who saw his empty tomb do not agree on how many women saw an ampty tomb. Two of the disciples do not give us the same statement on how Judas died, one says he hanged himself, the other he exploded and all his intestine were blown out of his stomachs.
Then the is an issue of who bought the field of blood, one says Judas and the other says its the chief priest, and so on.
I havent finnishen the koran, because it is very boring,Mohammed forgets many a times that he said Allah is the one who is speaking, it become a singular and later a plural conversation and his math of fraction is so pathetic in dividing the wealth of the deceased in a family. Honestly It is the worst book I have ever read. It doesnt flow like the bible does.
Yes I read all of these books;
Ayaan is a woman from Somali, her father was one of the leaders of one of the fighters and he was educated too,went to exile and the family was left behind, but he managed to get a visa to work in Saudi Arabia provided the authority did not know that he was still involved in the revolution. Ayaan says the Somalis are so divided by clans, she says they will never have a stable govt because no clan wants to be ruled by the other and clan is as important as bread. In Saud Arabia she experienced discrimination. She says even if you are a Moslem as ;long as you are not an Arab you will feel the animosity of Arabs. But what touched me when she was in Saudi was the treatment of women. She says no woman is allowed to walk the streets without a man, atleast you have to be accompanied by a boy of 10 to get service in shops. She says they do not even take the money from the hand of a woman.
The family left for Kenya, you will appreciate how difficult it was to go to Kenya during the fighting. Started to date a Kenyan non moslem boy . Got to be arranged a husband form the same clan,the man was living in Germany. Ayaan was not attracted to the man. Then came the Moslem signing of Marriage certificate,Ayaan said to her father, I wont even be there to sign the certificate,thinking the marriage will not continue. The father said to her" my daughter you do not need to be there, as long as your father is there to sign, that will be enough for you to be married', Lett me nlot spoil it by giving everything, but gradually she get to get an awakening and realize how wicked the religion is, the awakening was tickled by the unbrotherly love of people who live wher the Mecca is ie the Saudis, but the experience of a different life in Kenya and the strictness in the her Moslem school, forced marriage and the real freedom she got when she was in Holland. There she became an MP and so on.... I read Ayaan,s book 3yrs ago. Buy it,get it from e bay or amazons on a cheaper price if you cannot afford to buy a brand new one.
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ShredderDo not come with excuses, this world has and was in trouble from its inception, this world as a planet has been experiencing events of extinctions, 45millions yeras or so, dinaursurs were wiped out by a meteorite and that evidence is registered in fossils. Earth quakes lightings and hurrricanes as well as floods have bee raveging the earth and they will not stop.You people you do not bother to make a research. Let me tell you there is no way the earth will ever stop experiencing earthquakes and disasters. Look at how this planet is unsafe, 90% of the earth is a ball of fire, this melted liquid metal on its center it has a cold iron metal and the the continents have seismic plates which every time they move the cause friction and when the other is pushed underneath the other, the one underneath is melted by this fire and wallah, the mellted liqiud pushes up and we have a volcano, or times the friction causes just a tsumani. It has nothing to do with whatever. Even if everyone on earth can be a dedicated christian disasters will continue, they know nothing about your faith or your rottenness, this is how the earth it is. If it wasnt working the way it does no living thing would have been on eartn. Nina nicabanga ukuthi lezzinto are mistakes or anger from your cruel god. No he himself doesnt know what hey are,because he claim he created the earth in 6 days and christrians like you make extra excuses that a day is a 1000yrs, thus the wrong theory that the earth is 6ooo to 7000yrs. What a bull, dinausars die d 45 million years or so and dinasaurs were not the first to live on this planet, their predecessors lived 200 million years befor the dinars, plus the fact thats the earth took some millions of years to have oxgygen. So if according to your theory that 1 day is equal to 1000 years then 245 million years divide by 1000 years, you will find that god is either dead of very old to know what is going on. Stop telling fibbles sibadala, nothing is new trouble except religion. Its very supestitious. There is nothing that is going to change by religion in nature, your christian magic will end only in your church workshops. Come on man, hwo many times did people pray for drought tpo end and never did. A god who cannot even control his so called his nature is man made. Pray that ok but there is prayer that will change the cause of nature. Goa doesnt even know how many women saw thet empty tomb of his beloved son, how can he know how to deal with the world which is millioms or years old when he thinks its only 7 days old. Guys you do not want to you your brains, you are decieved by Paul who lied right in your bible saying he was going to go to heaven alive.The Romans killed him, that is the only way christains and moslems go to heaven when they cannot even know or recognisse the very same promised land, just like Isreal who were promised the world of honey and milk and got the Palestinian desert. Wake up and reason, dont be fool by illiterate shepards who did not even know that the stars are bigger than the moon and their god who says the has a light, if he created the moon why doesnt he know that the monn has no light but it reflects the sun's light. It better to read Mickey mouse than to be so brainwashed. Even when facts are thrown in your face you do not see a thing.
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4BikoI did seek the truth and got it long ago, now Im researching in order to put a label on the right spot. I know that the pattern of the evotion of religion is one, same method same motivation which is money power and a bargaing power to others, to gain respect and recognition. You couldnt be a king but you can get a followiing which will respect you and feed you just like they do to the king, thas the model from time immemorial.. My research has not to do with the truth but to help those people whom the truth is hidded to them right intheir bible. The bible is so faulty, even a composition of a grade 5 student isnt as faulty. So Im done with the bible 4Biko, it cannot change its lies, they are so obvious.
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JoyfulThere was never a black person in Kuwait in an era you are talking about. You can believe that they black but that will be your strong beliefs and those fools who do not know geography. You have been well delt with my sister the naxt thing you will telling us that jesus is black too. No black person was ever in Kuwait. The skeletal of a Negroniod or Afronoid was never found over there. Skeletal of blacks in the middle east date back to the days when Egypt was dominatant and then the Roman empire Era, then down up to slaves trading era by the arabs. No skeletal of an Afronoid was ever foound dating back as long as that unless you are telliong me that Adam was a Pharoar, or lived in the Egyptian times. Joyful, can you please qoute and refer us to the source of information, stop feeding us unsupported beliefs, support your statement luv.Strong belief, there is a strong belief that when you a child put their tooth in a shoe they will get money,another strong belief is tat there is an old man who wears read and white who give people presents, they are just strong beliefs, but that doesnt make them true.
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4BikoI do not think you know people, you think you know people , lets disect what you just said.
You think I had all this time a list of books ready that I copied in case 4Biko asks me where I got all this info. You think I knew that you were going to ask such a question. But I am not suprised, if you believe in Jew who was killed and hanged in a tree, then rose again , you can beleive that I had a list ready. Right where is a challege of your doubts. Get any of those books and ask me where is what who said what which year is and other events. Ie is from any of these books I qouted to you
I have got 8 hard cover books that I summarised the dates of all the fathers in chriastain church up to the counsel of NECAE 325 which adopted a false celebration of chrismas, I challeneg you ask me about that, ask me how nad when did john die, when Ignatious became a biscop of the church( no misspelling biscop as in old English). Our mind is under used I am suppose to read atleast 100 books in a year and all these books that makes you panick were not read in a year but years. So how many books do read in a year, I guess you read a 3 pages, if you are shocked by this. In 6 month I read 2 books by Ray Franse a formr JW which a 967 pages each.
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4BIkoOh I see you confused because I said 15b bible translations, I do not read these translations from page to page,in fact I have read the bible by force when I was young and by choice when the brain washing to its cause so I do not need to read it page by page. When there is a vers Im interested in let say Jeremia 12 :23 I will compare other translation how they put it. That is why I get annoyed when people make excusess because I make sure that I read and compare/. He**l no I do not read these other bibles nor do I read the bible chapter to chapter. My apologies, I did not put the whole thing otgether. Butv as for the other books I read them all and Iam struggling with the Koran,but Ima reading it
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And you just had to enjoy the "many 3 minute" sessions with the man? be His PA? Occassionally Stop on the road for halfway sessions? And sit in, in most of His services and listen to him preach? And All of this is fine with you Ma'am, just a problem when more like you get the same "3minute treatment" from the man? One has to wonder if it's not as Xhosas would say "Bezimuncu kakade"Report Abuse
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Mhoro i want you please call me otlo mparolla ka lepara lagago lelekotokoto,i love youReport Abuse
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ROMANS 1:21-32 AND 2THEESALONIANS 2:12.....SAYS IT ALL AND Y PPL SHUD B DECIEVED CUZ THEY DENIED THE LORD JESUS AND SALVATION... THEY WILL KEEP ON BEING DECIEVED NO-ONE WILL STOP TILL THEY REPENT, BASOKOLOHEReport Abuse
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