Chaka Chaka is spot on here, I mean God created a man to have one wive not two , One man = one woman unlike guys like zuma who want to have thousand wives because they are womanisers and they cant keep their zip closed and they claim that its a 50/50 how if its 50/50 zuma must allow his wives also to have more husbands Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Dubul'Amanzi
Phathuza
Chaka Chaka is spot on here, I mean God created a man to have one wive not two , One man = one woman unlike guys like zuma who want to have thousand wives because they are womanisers and they cant keep their zip closed and they claim that its a 50/50 how if its 50/50 zuma must allow his wives also to have more husbands
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Dont agree with you,King Solom,David and them in the bible were married to many wife and God aproved their marriage. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Dubul'Amanzi
"What is the matter with us: Tutu criticises Nkandla " Where is the article,I want to comment. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
WordofGod
If he wants to: Goodbye”.
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i like this... Amen!!! Report Abuse
If the man will manage to maintain both I cant see her main reason to reject the man's wish. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
DJ-Winner
What happened to the culture? The culture allows us to marry as many wives as possible. Yvonne does not have the ability to change culture. This is our culture that has been practiced for decades. Women must not being arrogant now because they have money and educated. Respect is very important if you want to be successful in life. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Lord-Have-Mercy
she wants to leave her husband, indesguise, Chaca Chaka is eyeing Msholozi, but at the end of the day she will contradict herself, but live happy ever after Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
TheGenius
Well - I can't complain because you are saying that to your yes-man. I can take a third one anytime if I like to. But because I am fine with the two that I have I certainly won't. Yvonne, I guess you are the one who wear pants in the house. Some women are just lucky... Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
HoneyBoo
Amen to that Yvonne...Wish for all women to be able to stand up for wat they blive in nomatter wat..U are such an inspiration.. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
pontjopontjo
Dear sis Dolly,
I want to marry a second wife but my wife is refusing.
Please help me because my nyatsi is gonna leave me.
Dubul'Amanzi
Phathuza
Chaka Chaka is spot on here, I mean God created a man to have one wive not two , One man = one woman unlike guys like zuma who want to have thousand wives because they are womanisers and they cant keep their zip closed and they claim that its a 50/50 how if its 50/50 zuma must allow his wives also to have more husbands
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Dont agree with you,King Solom,David and them in the bible were married to many wife and God aproved their marriage.
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What about 50/50 is it still applying because a woman cannot be allowed to have more than one husband but a man is allowed too , I have always said and i will say it again utata yintloko yekhaya Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Pabi
Amen to that sister, I don't want that too.
problem about men is they are selfish they only think for themselves and they don't care about women's feelings Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Phathuza
DJ-Winner
What happened to the culture? The culture allows us to marry as many wives as possible. Yvonne does not have the ability to change culture. This is our culture that has been practiced for decades. Women must not being arrogant now because they have money and educated. Respect is very important if you want to be successful in life.
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Yes it can be your culture but this is against God , God created Adam and Eve , He wanted Adam to have Eve as one wife not many wives Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Bumboklaat
She said her husband could “go wherever he can fly”.
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WOW! Very very cunning! but in all fairness everyone has their own choice!
Please Sowetan fix this article, someone posted rubish and is waisting space here,
Yes everyone must be free to do what ever, but some of us need to be guided, bit of education, dont confuse our youth please. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Bumboklaat
@Pabi
Amen to that sister, I don't want that too.
problem about men is they are selfish they only think for themselves and they don't care about women's feelings
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Yes mara ge o thoma goba le seshwapha otla tswa ayo ja mapipitlane! Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
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Dubul'Amanzi - King Solomon is old-testament school of thinking. Monogamy is new-testament thinking. If we adhered to old-testament, then you would be stoned for having an affair, and you would not be allowed to eat pork. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Bumboklaat
@Phathuza
DJ-Winner
What happened to the culture? The culture allows us to marry as many wives as possible. Yvonne does not have the ability to change culture. This is our culture that has been practiced for decades. Women must not being arrogant now because they have money and educated. Respect is very important if you want to be successful in life.
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Yes it can be your culture but this is against God , God created Adam and Eve , He wanted Adam to have Eve as one wife not many wives
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As much as I don't agree with this practice I take offence that you suggest that your god can overrule my culture just like that! Report Abuse
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Dubul'Amanzi - King Solomon is old-testament school of thinking. Monogamy is new-testament thinking. If we adhered to old-testament, then you would be stoned for having an affair, and you would not be allowed to eat pork.
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Eish, you know too much for your good Steve Hofmeyer, with a touch of humour. And which testament do you subscribe to Steve ? Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
oldlady12
Yvonne, nee man. Give him permission to take a 2nd wife, then you take a 2nd husband, and then the 4 of you have a great marriage. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Dubul'Amanzi
@Phathuza
50/50 are material things of this world,they are not from God but Parliament.In Haven there is no such thing. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Dubul'Amanzi
!#Sinudeity#!
Dubul'Amanzi - King Solomon is old-testament school of thinking. Monogamy is new-testament thinking. If we adhered to old-testament, then you would be stoned for having an affair, and you would not be allowed to eat pork.
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Lol give me a verse in the bible where God says I dont want a polygamy? Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
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DJ-Winner - "What happened to the culture? The culture allows us to marry as many wives as possible."
Your culture unfortunately has many outdated and barbaric practises. Like the kidnapping and marriage of a girl. Dont you remember the article about the man who said the daughter wasnt a virgin anymore, and thus broken goods, so he wanted to trade for the 14 year old instead.
Plainly sexist. Are women allowed to have more than one husband? Or are just the husbands allowed to have multiple wives? Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Uncompromising
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Your culture unfortunately has many outdated and barbaric practises. Like the kidnapping and marriage of a girl. Dont you remember the article about the man who said the daughter wasnt a virgin anymore, and thus broken goods, so he wanted to trade for the 14 year old instead.
LOL, who worships culture ? Are you saved or a survivor ? Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
KE-NYOBA-DORIS
If what is written here is what she actually uttered then she has no respect, there is a better way to send or make a point
The choice of words are disrespecting to the husband
We all known she married to the Dr, and their affair has nothing to do with the media even though Yvonne appears in media, But the way she made this statement its wrong for the sake of his husband who got nothing to do with the media coverage to make money Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Bumboklaat
@WordofGod
God didnt create us to worship culture but to fellowship with HIM and obey HIM,,,period.
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Don't start wena!
Dubul'Amanzi - The Bible (old or new testament) NEVER favoured polygamy.
The clearest evidence that monogamy is God’s ideal is from Christ’s teaching on marriage in Matt. 19:3–6. In this passage, He cited the Genesis creation account, in particular Gen. 1:27 and 2:24, saying ‘the two will become one flesh’, not more than two.
Another important biblical teaching is the parallel of husband and wife with Christ and the Church in Eph. 5:22–33, which makes sense only with monogamy—Jesus will not have multiple brides.
Genesis 2:23-34 The man said, 'This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh'...For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and they will become one flesh.
In Matt. 19:4 we are told by Jesus that God created one “male and [one] female” and joined them in marriage.
It wasn’t until sin made man fall (Gen. 4:23) that polygamy occurs. Cain was cursed, Lamech is a descendent of Cain and the first to practice polygamy. The first time polygamous relationship is found in the Bible is with a thriving rebellious society in sin; when a murderer named “Lamech [a descendant of Cain] took for himself two wives” (Gen.4:19, 23).
Paul insisted that a leader in the church should be “the husband of one wife,” a deacon or elder must have one wife... Titus 1:6
What does Scripture say about Polygamy?
In Matt. 19:4 we are told by Jesus that God created one “male and [one] female” and joined them in marriage. Mark 10:6-8:"But from the beginning of the creation, God 'made them male and female.' 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 'and the two shall become one flesh'; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh.
The two as one is the pattern on how marriage was to be conducted from the start. NOT three or four as one.
Eve was taken from Adams body and given back to him as his wife (singular) showing God’s approval of what the marriage union is to be like. God always spoke of man's “wife,” as singular, not wives. Notice it also states one father one mother.
It wasn’t until sin made man fall (Gen. 4:23) that polygamy occurs. Cain was cursed, Lamech is a descendent of Cain and the first to practice polygamy. The first time polygamous relationship is found in the Bible is with a thriving rebellious society in sin; when a murderer named “Lamech [a descendant of Cain] took for himself two wives” (Gen.4:19, 23).
The same Godly pattern of one man and one wife is lived by Noah. At the time of the Ark (Gen. 7:7), Noah took his one wife into the ark, all his son’s took one wife; God called Noah’s family righteous and pure. If polygamy were ordained of God, it would have made sense that Noah and his sons would have taken additional wives with them to repopulate the earth faster from the cataclysm.
This was to be a permanent union between man and woman that they might be helpful to one another (Genesis 2:18). Marriage represents a relationship of both spiritual and physical unity.
Hebrews 13:3-4: “Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.”
We have examples of saints in the Old Testament going off the commandment i.e Solomon, but this is not God approved. Many of the patriarchs took more than one wife. Abraham, by recommendation of Sarah, took her maid. Jacob was tricked through Laban, into taking Leah first, and then Rachel, to whom he had been betrothed. polygamy was not wrong in ancient cultures, but was a departure from the divine institution that God ordained.
In the Bible I count 15 examples of polygamy from the time of Lamech to 931 A.D. 13 of these men had enough power that no one could call into question their practice, they were unaccountable or no one dared approach them. Lamech Genesis 4:19; Abraham Genesis 16; Esau Genesis 26:34; 28:9; Jacob Genesis 29:30; Ashur 1 Chronicles 4:5; Gideon Judges 8:30; Elkanah 1 Samuel 1:2; David 1 Samuel 25:39-44; 2 Samuel 3:2-5; 5:13; 1 Chronicles 14:3; Solomon 1 Kings 11:1-8; Rehoboam 2 Chronicles 11:18-23; Abijah 2 Chronicles 13:21; Jehoram 2 Chronicles 21:14; Joash 2 Chronicles 24:3; Ahab 2 Kings 10; Jehoiachin 2 Kings 24:15; Belshazzar Daniel 5:2; 1 Chronicles 2:8; Hosea in Hosea 3:1,2. Polygamy is mentioned in the Mosaic law and made inclusive on the basis of legislation, and continued to be practiced all down through the period of Jewish history to the Captivity, after which there is no instance of it on record (Gen.29:15-30, Jacob and his wives.)
Was Abraham, David Solomon condemned or approved for practicing polygamy? Well they certainly did not get blessed for it! The fact that every polygamist in the Bible like David and Solomon (1 Chron. 14:3) were punished. This should be evidence that this is not God’s will.
God never condoned polygamy but like divorce he allowed it to occur and did not bring an immediate punishment for this disobedience. Deut. 17:14-17: “I will set a king over me like all the nations that are around me,' “you shall surely set a king over you whom the LORD your God chooses; one from among your brethren you shall set as king over you; you may not set a foreigner over you, who is not your brother. But he shall not multiply horses for himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt to multiply horses, for the LORD has said to you, 'You shall not return that way again.' “Neither shall he multiply wives for himself, lest his heart turn away; nor shall he greatly multiply silver and gold for himself.” This is the command of God, and he has never changed it.
1 Kings 11:3 says Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines violating the principle of monogamy that he was given through the law of Moses. Consider that Solomon at one time was the wisest man in the world. In I Kings 11:4: “For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.” Notice Solomon became a polytheist because he was influenced in polygamy. In his case many wives, became many gods. Scripture has always commanded monogamy (Ps.128:3; Prov. 5:18; 18:22; 19:14; 31:10-29; Eccl. 9:9).
The fact is that God never commanded polygamy or divorce. Scripture says (Bible) He only permitted it because of the hardness of their hearts (Deut. 24:1; Matt. 19:8). Matt. 5:31-32: “Furthermore it has been said, “Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce. But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.” God hates divorce as well as polygamy, since it destroys the family (Mal. 2:16). Whatever the patriarchs or any Christian did wrong does not change the fact the Bible condemns it.
There are some stipulations in the law that are connected to this subject. Matt. 22:24: “Teacher, Moses said that if a man dies, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife and raise up offspring for his brother.” This is based on the commandment found in Deut. 25:5-6: “If brothers dwell together, and one of them dies and has no son, the widow of the dead man shall not be married to a stranger outside the family; her husband's brother shall go in to her, take her as his wife, and perform the duty of a husband's brother to her. “And it shall be that the firstborn son which she bears will succeed to the name of his dead brother, that his name may not be blotted out of Israel. ”
Multiple wives was tolerated but never with God's approval. Jesus told the Jews, "Because of your hardness of heart, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way" (Matthew 19:3-8). The Mosaic law aimed at mitigating, rather than removing, evils that were inseparable from the state of society in that day. Its enactments were directed to the discouragement of polygamy; to prevent the injustice frequently consequent upon the exercise of the rights of a father or a master; to bring divorce under some restriction; and to enforce purity of life during the maintenance of the matrimonial bond.
The Bible says adultery is not a choice, one does not have to acquire another wife to solve his urges. Jesus said if you look upon another woman with desire (married or not) it is adultery, a sin.
Paul insisted that a leader in the church should be “the husband of one wife,” a deacon or elder must have one wife... Titus 1:6.
The New Testament teaches that, “Each man [should] have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband” (1 Cor. 7:2). Monogamous marriage teaches us the type of the relation Christ has between himself and His bride, the church (Eph. 5:31-32). The church is called the bride, collectively as one (singular) each person is not a bride, as in plurality of wives and marriages. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Lord-Have-Mercy
how amy females, how many males in this world? Report Abuse
Tjo, "Nudity", you have too much time on your hands. I hope you have done the lawn already ! Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Phathuza
!#Sinudeity#!
Dubul'Amanzi - The Bible (old or new testament) NEVER favoured polygamy.
The clearest evidence that monogamy is God’s ideal is from Christ’s teaching on marriage in Matt. 19:3–6. In this passage, He cited the Genesis creation account, in particular Gen. 1:27 and 2:24, saying ‘the two will become one flesh’, not more than two.
Another important biblical teaching is the parallel of husband and wife with Christ and the Church in Eph. 5:22–33, which makes sense only with monogamy—Jesus will not have multiple brides.
Genesis 2:23-34 The man said, 'This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh'...For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and they will become one flesh.
In Matt. 19:4 we are told by Jesus that God created one “male and [one] female” and joined them in marriage.
It wasn’t until sin made man fall (Gen. 4:23) that polygamy occurs. Cain was cursed, Lamech is a descendent of Cain and the first to practice polygamy. The first time polygamous relationship is found in the Bible is with a thriving rebellious society in sin; when a murderer named “Lamech [a descendant of Cain] took for himself two wives” (Gen.4:19, 23).
Paul insisted that a leader in the church should be “the husband of one wife,” a deacon or elder must have one wife... Titus 1:6
What does Scripture say about Polygamy?
In Matt. 19:4 we are told by Jesus that God created one “male and [one] female” and joined them in marriage. Mark 10:6-8:"But from the beginning of the creation, God 'made them male and female.' 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 'and the two shall become one flesh'; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh.
The two as one is the pattern on how marriage was to be conducted from the start. NOT three or four as one.
Eve was taken from Adams body and given back to him as his wife (singular) showing God’s approval of what the marriage union is to be like. God always spoke of man's “wife,” as singular, not wives. Notice it also states one father one mother.
It wasn’t until sin made man fall (Gen. 4:23) that polygamy occurs. Cain was cursed, Lamech is a descendent of Cain and the first to practice polygamy. The first time polygamous relationship is found in the Bible is with a thriving rebellious society in sin; when a murderer named “Lamech [a descendant of Cain] took for himself two wives” (Gen.4:19, 23).
The same Godly pattern of one man and one wife is lived by Noah. At the time of the Ark (Gen. 7:7), Noah took his one wife into the ark, all his son’s took one wife; God called Noah’s family righteous and pure. If polygamy were ordained of God, it would have made sense that Noah and his sons would have taken additional wives with them to repopulate the earth faster from the cataclysm.
This was to be a permanent union between man and woman that they might be helpful to one another (Genesis 2:18). Marriage represents a relationship of both spiritual and physical unity.
Hebrews 13:3-4: “Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.”
We have examples of saints in the Old Testament going off the commandment i.e Solomon, but this is not God approved. Many of the patriarchs took more than one wife. Abraham, by recommendation of Sarah, took her maid. Jacob was tricked through Laban, into taking Leah first, and then Rachel, to whom he had been betrothed. polygamy was not wrong in ancient cultures, but was a departure from the divine institution that God ordained.
In the Bible I count 15 examples of polygamy from the time of Lamech to 931 A.D. 13 of these men had enough power that no one could call into question their practice, they were unaccountable or no one dared approach them. Lamech Genesis 4:19; Abraham Genesis 16; Esau Genesis 26:34; 28:9; Jacob Genesis 29:30; Ashur 1 Chronicles 4:5; Gideon Judges 8:30; Elkanah 1 Samuel 1:2; David 1 Samuel 25:39-44; 2 Samuel 3:2-5; 5:13; 1 Chronicles 14:3; Solomon 1 Kings 11:1-8; Rehoboam 2 Chronicles 11:18-23; Abijah 2 Chronicles 13:21; Jehoram 2 Chronicles 21:14; Joash 2 Chronicles 24:3; Ahab 2 Kings 10; Jehoiachin 2 Kings 24:15; Belshazzar Daniel 5:2; 1 Chronicles 2:8; Hosea in Hosea 3:1,2. Polygamy is mentioned in the Mosaic law and made inclusive on the basis of legislation, and continued to be practiced all down through the period of Jewish history to the Captivity, after which there is no instance of it on record (Gen.29:15-30, Jacob and his wives.)
Was Abraham, David Solomon condemned or approved for practicing polygamy? Well they certainly did not get blessed for it! The fact that every polygamist in the Bible like David and Solomon (1 Chron. 14:3) were punished. This should be evidence that this is not God’s will.
God never condoned polygamy but like divorce he allowed it to occur and did not bring an immediate punishment for this disobedience. Deut. 17:14-17: “I will set a king over me like all the nations that are around me,' “you shall surely set a king over you whom the LORD your God chooses; one from among your brethren you shall set as king over you; you may not set a foreigner over you, who is not your brother. But he shall not multiply horses for himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt to multiply horses, for the LORD has said to you, 'You shall not return that way again.' “Neither shall he multiply wives for himself, lest his heart turn away; nor shall he greatly multiply silver and gold for himself.” This is the command of God, and he has never changed it.
1 Kings 11:3 says Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines violating the principle of monogamy that he was given through the law of Moses. Consider that Solomon at one time was the wisest man in the world. In I Kings 11:4: “For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.” Notice Solomon became a polytheist because he was influenced in polygamy. In his case many wives, became many gods. Scripture has always commanded monogamy (Ps.128:3; Prov. 5:18; 18:22; 19:14; 31:10-29; Eccl. 9:9).
The fact is that God never commanded polygamy or divorce. Scripture says (Bible) He only permitted it because of the hardness of their hearts (Deut. 24:1; Matt. 19:8). Matt. 5:31-32: “Furthermore it has been said, “Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce. But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.” God hates divorce as well as polygamy, since it destroys the family (Mal. 2:16). Whatever the patriarchs or any Christian did wrong does not change the fact the Bible condemns it.
There are some stipulations in the law that are connected to this subject. Matt. 22:24: “Teacher, Moses said that if a man dies, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife and raise up offspring for his brother.” This is based on the commandment found in Deut. 25:5-6: “If brothers dwell together, and one of them dies and has no son, the widow of the dead man shall not be married to a stranger outside the family; her husband's brother shall go in to her, take her as his wife, and perform the duty of a husband's brother to her. “And it shall be that the firstborn son which she bears will succeed to the name of his dead brother, that his name may not be blotted out of Israel. ”
Multiple wives was tolerated but never with God's approval. Jesus told the Jews, "Because of your hardness of heart, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way" (Matthew 19:3-8). The Mosaic law aimed at mitigating, rather than removing, evils that were inseparable from the state of society in that day. Its enactments were directed to the discouragement of polygamy; to prevent the injustice frequently consequent upon the exercise of the rights of a father or a master; to bring divorce under some restriction; and to enforce purity of life during the maintenance of the matrimonial bond.
The Bible says adultery is not a choice, one does not have to acquire another wife to solve his urges. Jesus said if you look upon another woman with desire (married or not) it is adultery, a sin.
Paul insisted that a leader in the church should be “the husband of one wife,” a deacon or elder must have one wife... Titus 1:6.
The New Testament teaches that, “Each man [should] have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband” (1 Cor. 7:2). Monogamous marriage teaches us the type of the relation Christ has between himself and His bride, the church (Eph. 5:31-32). The church is called the bride, collectively as one (singular) each person is not a bride, as in plurality of wives and marriages.
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Plainly sexist. Are women allowed to have more than one husband? Or are just the husbands allowed to have multiple wives?
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Don't question African practices woman!! Report Abuse
@Rragwe
A wise man solomon had 1000 wifes
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A wise man will never marry 1000 wives, who wants 1000 menopausal bodies bitching at you? Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
KE-NYOBA-DORIS
God doesn't exist in AFRICA
We follow our traditions....PERIOD Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Chaka Chaka said women had to be allowed to choose if they want to be in a customary marriage.
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This is too much freedom and look at RSA today because of too much freedom it's mess,exactly what's happening about today women. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@WordofGod
!#Sinudeity#!
am shocked!! Amen
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Lekgowa le amohetse Jesus wena maan.lol Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Click-Baby
Yvonne.. Marriage is as slippery as the lifebuoy soap you advertise.. So deal with it!!
Doesnt matter who or what I believe in, just as long as my beliefs doesnt oppress anyone. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
oldlady12
Katakata, I want 2 husbands too. Look guys, this is simple. If both parties, male and female, agree to it, then it is their business and their right. If one of the parties, like Chaka does not agree with it, the man is free to go pursue his culture somewhere else. If he stays, he obviously agrees with it, so again, we have two parties agreeing.
Uncomprimising, PLEASE stop insulting Steve. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Dubul'Amanzi
@!#Sinudeity#!
Hope you didnt copy that long thing from google.Thats the problem if we interprete the bible without understanding it. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
HoneyBoo
@!#Sinudeity#!
Nongoloza24 - Im not question some of your practises...
Im telling you straight, they are bull$h17
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Aooww am shocked!!After soo much Bible quoting this is wat u write!!!o tlhoka all nite prayer
@bullsh17 Report Abuse
The tradition of polygamy is unconstitutional because it only cuts one way. As long as women sre not given the same rights ( i.e. a woman can have more than one husband) it is discriminatory and against our constitution. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Dubul'Amanzi
Isaiah 4:1. And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man....@Sinudeity
Its a pity you are lucky or your husband is s.tupity, you are not married to real Shangaan whom we all know, maybe by now you should have been a devorcee Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
“You choose where you want to go and that needs to be respected,” she said.
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This is so true, but unfortunately tax payers do not have a say as we are paying expenses for a polygamous president
Katakata, I want 2 husbands too. Look guys, this is simple. If both parties, male and female, agree to it, then it is their business and their right. If one of the parties, like Chaka does not agree with it, the man is free to go pursue his culture somewhere else. If he stays, he obviously agrees with it, so again, we have two parties agreeing.
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Oldie the bible said that seven women shall take hold of one man in Isaiah 4:1,just imagine a woman having two husbands the word of God calls that adultery.LOL
Lord-Have-Mercy
how amy females, how many males in this world?
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Not sure about the world, but for us in Mzansi its 25.2 million male, and 26.6 million female.So some of us can afford two, three or four. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@!#Sinudeity#!
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - The word is "Lakholwa".
Doesnt matter who or what I believe in, just as long as my beliefs doesnt oppress anyone.
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This is the holy man of God Sinudeity#!, man of belief.
@Dubul'Amanzi
Isaiah 4:1. And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man....@Sinudeity
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you are quoting out of context Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Dubul'Amanzi
WordofGod
@Dubul'Amanzi
Isaiah 4:1. And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man....@Sinudeity
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you are quoting out of context
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How is it out of context? Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
oldlady12
Dubul'Amanzi, that 7 women taking hold of one man thing is what happened in Zim with the sp.erm collecting female ra.pists. It wasn't talking about marriage. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe / Dubul'Amanzi - You guys are taking Isiah 4:1 out of context.
Isaiah 4:I. In that day seven women will take hold of one man and say, “We will eat our own food and provide our own clothes; only let us be called by your name. Take away our disgrace!”
Lord had Isaiah speak against the vanity of Israel’s women. Their wealth and their pride will be taken away to the point where multiple women will be willing to join together and agree to pay their own expenses to come under the legal protection of one man through marriage. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
WordofGod
@Dubul
did u read the whole chapter even the chapter before or you just got too excited and picked half a sentence? Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
oldlady12
Katakata, the Word of Oldie calls that unfair, and that's the only word I live by. BTW, did you know The Bible was written by men for men in a time when women were oppressed and were not even allowed to learn to read and write? I think the only place in The Bible where God talked directly with man was with Moses on the mountain. There may be one of two other instances, but the rest of it was written by men. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Dubul'Amanzi
WordofGod
@Dubul
did u read the whole chapter even the chapter before or you just got too excited and picked half a sentence?
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Yes I did. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Dubul'Amanzi
oldlady12
Katakata, the Word of Oldie calls that unfair, and that's the only word I live by. BTW, did you know The Bible was written by men for men in a time when women were oppressed and were not even allowed to learn to read and write? I think the only place in The Bible where God talked directly with man was with Moses on the mountain. There may be one of two other instances, but the rest of it was written by men
I like it people start qouting the bible as if the bible is the guide line for all human kind. The bible is believe for only christians, some people are muslams, hindus,...etc. Also we must learn to respect our culture, culture is not about empowerment or abuse but its who we are. If you dont like to be involved in polygammy than do as Yvonne will do and stop critising those who're doing it. Amen Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@!#Sinudeity#!
Uncompromising - Hambani niyonya
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LOL! You are speaking in tongues Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Phuphethakatha
@Lord-Have-Mercy
she wants to leave her husband, indesguise, Chaca Chaka is eyeing Msholozi, but at the end of the day she will contradict herself, but live happy ever after
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Chaka-Chaka is inconsistent. She wants gay rights to be respected while bashing polygammy. I say polygammy must be respected as well. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
WordofGod
@Dubul'Amanzi
then ask the holy spirit to teach you and interpret it for you Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@Tango
Lord-Have-Mercy
how amy females, how many males in this world?
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Not sure about the world, but for us in Mzansi its 25.2 million male, and 26.6 million female.So some of us can afford two, three or four.
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We dont have the figures for gays, lesbians, transgendered and bise.xual people Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Dubul'Amanzi
WordofGod
@Dubul'Amanzi
then ask the holy spirit to teach you and interpret it for you
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Do you agree with polygam or what?It sound like a "special" person. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@!#Sinudeity#!
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe / Dubul'Amanzi - You guys are taking Isiah 4:1 out of context.
Isaiah 4:I. In that day seven women will take hold of one man and say, “We will eat our own food and provide our own clothes; only let us be called by your name. Take away our disgrace!”
Lord had Isaiah speak against the vanity of Israel’s women. Their wealth and their pride will be taken away to the point where multiple women will be willing to join together and agree to pay their own expenses to come under the legal protection of one man through marriage.
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You dont bring it into context you just express you mind here #Sinudeity#. Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
You are white so I expect them to be bullish to you. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
MSG_S
Eish! Temba, you see now. You have a choice but some next to you is denying you that choice. Anyway my broer this marriage of ISITEMBU, you cant be sure you are the only one who is chowing all these wives. Someone somewhere somehow is grinding your wives too. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady12
Katakata, the Word of Oldie calls that unfair, and that's the only word I live by. BTW, did you know The Bible was written by men for men in a time when women were oppressed and were not even allowed to learn to read and write? I think the only place in The Bible where God talked directly with man was with Moses on the mountain. There may be one of two other instances, but the rest of it was written by men
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Oldie even if we've many verse talking about how men must treat their wifes this one included ( "Ephesians 5:25-27" Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church ) wome were oppressed? Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
WordofGod
@Dubul'Amanzi
WordofGod
@Dubul'Amanzi
then ask the holy spirit to teach you and interpret it for you
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Do you agree with polygam or what?It sound like a "special" person.
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it is obvious i dont agree. the bible tells us that you shall have one wife not wives. read Paul's teaching on 1Cor 7 Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Dubul'Amanzi
WordofGod
@Dubul'Amanzi
WordofGod
@Dubul'Amanzi
then ask the holy spirit to teach you and interpret it for you
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Do you agree with polygam or what?It sound like a "special" person.
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it is obvious i dont agree. the bible tells us that you shall have one wife not wives. read Paul's teaching on 1Cor 7
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Do you agree with Gay and Lesbian marriage? Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - "Ephesians 5:25-27 "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church"
If the verse said, husband, love your wives, then you could have had a point. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
skwamasamabele
The Genius- Heshe nsizwa!!!! ubtshele labafazi abadelelayo. I have an Enlgish wife and I told her when we go to eMzansi, I would be obliged to take 2 more wives, and she went mad. I have 5 children and she wont allow me to have a mistress, but, angazi nokuthi kufuneke ngimfake induku, or just divorce her. Women should understand, the world ratio of women to men is 5:1, so If we dont take extra wives some women would go to their graves bengahlalelwanga (without nookie). Ngiyayithanda ikuku I'd spend all day eating it, but the wife doesn't approve Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
WordofGod
@Dubul'Amanzi
helang wena!!! lol, which bible do u you read kante? Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
oldlady12
Dubul, 2868 years next birthday. Studied The Bible for a total of 11 yrears. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Dubul'Amanzi
WordofGod
@Dubul'Amanzi
helang wena!!! lol, which bible do u you read kante?
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As far as I know there is only one bible (with different versions) and I'm reading that one.I want your views not bible. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
WordofGod
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady12
Katakata, the Word of Oldie calls that unfair, and that's the only word I live by. BTW, did you know The Bible was written by men for men in a time when women were oppressed and were not even allowed to learn to read and write? I think the only place in The Bible where God talked directly with man was with Moses on the mountain. There may be one of two other instances, but the rest of it was written by men
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Oldie even if we've many verse talking about how men must treat their wifes this one included ( "Ephesians 5:25-27" Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church ) wome were oppressed?
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pls read and understand engrishhhh Report Abuse
@!#Sinudeity#!
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - "Ephesians 5:25-27 "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church"
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If the verse said, husband, love your wives, then you could have had a point.
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Pastor #Sinude it doesnt say husbands dont take 2nd wife.
@Dubul
am sorry,i cant give you my own views but the Word of God...*wink* Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
skwamasamabele
Katata...- Like hell Sinudeity is a man of God, if he is then I'm the pope. Sin's mouth is dirtier than a ho's p**sy (lol) and he would willingly agree with that Report Abuse
"If he wants to go and marry someone else, let him go. He can do that"
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Its a lie, if he thretens to leave for onother chick she will be crying like chiwawa Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
oldlady12
WordofGod, "please read and understand English".. talking to me or Katakata? Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@skwamasamabele
Katata...- Like hell Sinudeity is a man of God, if he is then I'm the pope. Sin's mouth is dirtier than a ho's p**sy (lol) and he would willingly agree with that.
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Tltltltltltltltltltltltltltltltltltlkakkakakkakakakakkakakkakakakakkekekekekekekekekekekekekkeke, you made my day man.
*black out*
Yerrrrreeeee! go tletse bo Pastor Mbhorho lebo pastor Mjosti ka hierso! Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - It doesnt say, husbands, take multiples wives. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady12
WordofGod, "please read and understand English".. talking to me or Katakata?
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Oldie she didnt take her medication this morning leave her alone.
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DJ-Winner - "What happened to the culture? The culture allows us to marry as many wives as possible."
Your culture unfortunately has many outdated and barbaric practises
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That is why people will not vote for DA. You are looking down at black people and our culture. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
MSG_S
oldlady12
Yvonne, nee man. Give him permission to take a 2nd wife, then you take a 2nd husband, and then the 4 of you have a great marriage.
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oldlady. NO no, it does not work like that. You can tolerate if your father has children outside but not your mother. Never, I can wash my mother clean from my heart if she can bring a bastard at home. You see that is how it works you dont call your father's child from outside a bastard, but your mother's child form outside is a f@cking bastard. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
skwamasamabele - Yeah, I do swear. I use it to express my outrage, just like when Jesus got so mad, he destroyed the tables of the money-traders in the temple. I am nowhere near to the man Jesus is, none of us are. Who are you to judge? Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
DJ-Winner - "That is why people will not vote for DA. You are looking down at black people and our culture."
My thought and my views are my own, and are in no way affiliated to the DA. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
oldlady12
MSG_S, but if your mother was married to both men, then the child is not from outside, so it is not a bastard. Actually, the real meaning for the word "bastard", is for any child born outside of marriage. Anyways, is it not true that in your culture the parents have more "rights" than the children? Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
DJ-Winner
@skwamasamabele....No man. This is wrong. You can't talk like that now, even if you are not a Christian. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
WordofGod
@oldlady12
WordofGod, "please read and understand English".. talking to me or Katakata?
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to katakata Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@skwamasamabele
Katata....- Hang on there, Jesus was promisciuos, he f**ked prostitutes all over Jerusalem and Hebron because he didn't want commitment and children, not that you'd find that in the bible.
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Eiiiiiiiiiiish Skwamasamabele "Hands behind head"
MSG_S - "You can tolerate if your father has children outside but not your mother. Never, I can wash my mother clean from my heart if she can bring a bastard at home. You see that is how it works you dont call your father's child from outside a bastard, but your mother's child form outside is a f@cking bastard."
So, its cool if your dad does it, but wrong if your mother does it?
Do you see where the sexism argument comes in? Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
DJ-Winner
!#Sinudeity#!
DJ-Winner - "That is why people will not vote for DA. You are looking down at black people and our culture."
My thought and my views are my own, and are in no way affiliated to the DA.
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Well, you work for DA. You here in this site on DA's pay cheaque. People see DA in you. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
WordofGod
@skwamasamabele
Katata....- Hang on there, Jesus was promisciuos, he f**ked prostitutes all over Jerusalem and Hebron because he didn't want commitment and children, not that you'd find that in the bible
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eish ja neh! ga o di tshabe neh!!!!! iyooooooooooo Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Dubul'Amanzi
!#Sinudeity#!
MSG_S - "You can tolerate if your father has children outside but not your mother. Never, I can wash my mother clean from my heart if she can bring a bastard at home. You see that is how it works you dont call your father's child from outside a bastard, but your mother's child form outside is a f@cking bastard."
So, its cool if your dad does it, but wrong if your mother does it?
Do you see where the sexism argument comes in?
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Java or whatever is driving you crazy. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
oldlady12
DJ-Winner, I have to agree there with you today. DA was becomming my next choice for voting, but between their nutcase supporters, and ANC nutcase supporters (all always bringing politics into everything), I'm going to vote for KISS. Can we please now leave politics out of this? Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
DJ-Winner - "Well, you work for DA. You here in this site on DA's pay cheaque. People see DA in you."
Not at all. I dont work for the DA, the DA doesnt pay me anything. Im not even a DA member. Only reason why I promote the DA, is to try and get a two-party democracy going.
@Dubul'Amanzi
@WordofGod
Ok pleasure my sister.
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so i if i tell you what the Word of God says, you are not going to take it??? Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
DJ-Winner
The problem with us as African people is that we look down at our own cultures. We allow Western people to brainwash us and influence us to follow their cultures. People like Yvonne are seen as celebrates. They should be representing us and educating young stars about our history, not trying to make our culture extinct.
The President of the country and the King of the Zulus have led by example and tried to preserve the culture. That is why we are proud of them as a nation. We will play our role to ensure that the culture continues for the future generations to come. We have the responsibility to preserve this culture, not to talk ill about it. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Bumboklaat
Tlogelang Skhwama a bolele! Lena ge le thlapaola ditso tsa rena gale te tshwabele! two faced mother fcukers! Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
Dubul'Amanzi
WordofGod
@Dubul'Amanzi
@WordofGod
Ok pleasure my sister.
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so i if i tell you what the Word of God says, you are not going to take it???
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I'm a Christian so I will take it. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
DJ-Winner
People like Yvonne are seen as celebrities, I meant... Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
RaoN
Culture has never, and will be outdated. What is it women always want to do what men do, there's no african culture that allows women to take more than one husband. Amen Report Abuse
@WordofGod
skwamasamabele
Katata....- Hang on there, Jesus was promisciuos, he f**ked prostitutes all over Jerusalem and Hebron because he didn't want commitment and children, not that you'd find that in the bible
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eish ja neh! ga o di tshabe neh!!!!! iyooooooooooo
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Batho ba tsebang Jesus e seng lona Tltltltltltltltltltltltltltltltlttlltltltltltl heyyyyy booo!lol
Tell that to the Giggling Casanova Karaoke Star of Nkandla and his blind followers.
Beware Princess of Africa, the commission of enquiry will be appointed to investigate
your beliefs
WordofGod-- People read the bible religiously, I read it objectively. If you can access BBC iPlayer on the internet, try and research David Attenborough's Origins of Life and Andrew Marr's 'Origin of our Species'. You'd soon realise how obsolete most of the bible is, and how Jesus was just a mere mortal who enjoyed p**sy like any red blooded male. Report Abuse
@DJ-Winner dankie my bra. If we can all differential between culture and religion then will stop quoting the bible Unnecessary. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
!#Sinudeity#!
DJ-Winner - Dont even bring JZ into this matter to defend your culture. He's not doing it to preserve the culture. He's just doing it because he is a h0rny old go@t.
Point in case, is it not against your culture to commit adultery? Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
DJ-Winner
RaoN
@DJ-Winner dankie my bra. If we can all differential between culture and religion then will stop quoting the bible Unnecessary.
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I agree. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
RaoN
!#Sinudeity#!
DJ-Winner - Dont even bring JZ into this matter to defend your culture. He's not doing it to preserve the culture. He's just doing it because he is a h0rny old go@t.
Point in case, is it not against your culture to commit adultery?
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In my culture, we dont have a definition of adultery or I should adultery doesn't exists, I only learnt
about adultery when I became a christian. amen Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
GODESS
Shem Yvonne Kacha Kacha, unya ka molomo, good enough if you dont want you man to marry second wife but your words in this article are not that of an African woman, wa nyatja mosadi tena. siiiies, ke yona democracy yona ye? if it is then ke mase*pa. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
TebogoNgobeni
swatika swanononwa marriege is marriege Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
fiksa
I am just amazed by the comments in this article. Yvonne has rights like everyone else. The rights include her deciding if she wants to be in a polygamous relationship or not and she is telling everyone that she does not want to. In this article she also does not say people should not do it but women must be able to choose if they want to be in such marriages or not. what is annoying is that when a man gets married right at beginning they do not give the women choices that in future he will be taking a second wife. Therefore I agree with Yvonne. I have a choice in this democratic country and I believe that is what some of our forefathers died for, the freedom of choice. Lastly, it is illegal to take a second wife if you are in a civil marriage, the laws of this country protects us as women. so if my husband took a second wife I'll file for a criminal case and take it all the way to the constitutional court. It is about time women stood up for their rights. Report Abuse
Dec 12, 2012
fiksa
The culture story does not cut it. Culture is not static it evolves. Secondly, even in the culture it was the first wife who would decide that she needs help and even choose the second wife for the husband. In the culture that all of you seem to quote you forget to mention that the first wife had to agree therefore Yvonne is right even in the context of the culture the woman has to be given a CHOICE. But, if you get married in a civil union the law does not allow it, and it protects my rights as a woman. Actually maybe it is time we take this one sided argument to the Constitutional Court, the issue of discrimination why should a man be able to have more than one wife and not the woman have more than one husbands? I remember the woman who challenged the culture of saying women could not inherit the Chief inheritance because it is for man and she won it. It is about time we take this also to test it especially because woman's rights are being abused by man under the auspices of Culture Report Abuse
Dec 13, 2012
Territc
Totally agree with Yvoone. No way, No How!!
The way I see it, this should go both ways. If he can have more than one wife, then I can have more then one husband. What is good for the goose must be good for the gander. Report Abuse
Dec 13, 2012
Gizo
This is Simple, Chaka-Chaka is always away and the poor guy need some action. It is better to marry a second wife than cheating. Report Abuse
Dec 13, 2012
Boomslang
David, Solomon and others in the Bible had as many wives as they wanted but it was and it still not God's plan. They were all miserable after that because they didn't follow the example set in the garden of eden....one wife for one man Report Abuse
Territc
Totally agree with Yvoone. No way, No How!!
The way I see it, this should go both ways. If he can have more than one wife, then I can have more then one husband. What is good for the goose must be good for the gander.
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Thank you territc, nam i would have another husband, what does he expect me to be doing when he is busy with wife number 2?yhuuuuu Report Abuse
Dec 20, 2012
Britata
yvonne ke dom kop and i want her man,please divorce him for me coz im coming for your marriege Report Abuse
Dec 20, 2012
StrictLady
@!#Sinudeity#! Ja neh, you know your bible verses...I am impressed!! but now " Hambani niyonya"??
kwakwakwa............I hope you are not a Pastor right? Report Abuse
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Dubul'Amanzi
Wow really?Women in Power...Report Abuse
Phathuza
Chaka Chaka is spot on here, I mean God created a man to have one wive not two , One man = one woman unlike guys like zuma who want to have thousand wives because they are womanisers and they cant keep their zip closed and they claim that its a 50/50 how if its 50/50 zuma must allow his wives also to have more husbandsReport Abuse
Dubul'Amanzi
PhathuzaChaka Chaka is spot on here, I mean God created a man to have one wive not two , One man = one woman unlike guys like zuma who want to have thousand wives because they are womanisers and they cant keep their zip closed and they claim that its a 50/50 how if its 50/50 zuma must allow his wives also to have more husbands
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Dont agree with you,King Solom,David and them in the bible were married to many wife and God aproved their marriage.
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Dubul'Amanzi
"What is the matter with us: Tutu criticises Nkandla " Where is the article,I want to comment.Report Abuse
WordofGod
If he wants to: Goodbye”.******************************
i like this... Amen!!!
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McCountryMan
Yvonne ChakalakaReport Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
If the man will manage to maintain both I cant see her main reason to reject the man's wish.Report Abuse
DJ-Winner
What happened to the culture? The culture allows us to marry as many wives as possible. Yvonne does not have the ability to change culture. This is our culture that has been practiced for decades. Women must not being arrogant now because they have money and educated. Respect is very important if you want to be successful in life.Report Abuse
Lord-Have-Mercy
she wants to leave her husband, indesguise, Chaca Chaka is eyeing Msholozi, but at the end of the day she will contradict herself, but live happy ever afterReport Abuse
TheGenius
Well - I can't complain because you are saying that to your yes-man. I can take a third one anytime if I like to. But because I am fine with the two that I have I certainly won't. Yvonne, I guess you are the one who wear pants in the house. Some women are just lucky...Report Abuse
HoneyBoo
Amen to that Yvonne...Wish for all women to be able to stand up for wat they blive in nomatter wat..U are such an inspiration..Report Abuse
pontjopontjo
Dear sis Dolly,I want to marry a second wife but my wife is refusing.
Please help me because my nyatsi is gonna leave me.
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!serobapipi
I'm I allowed to get a second husband ?Report Abuse
Uncompromising
Yvonne is such a big yawn !Report Abuse
Phathuza
Dubul'AmanziPhathuza
Chaka Chaka is spot on here, I mean God created a man to have one wive not two , One man = one woman unlike guys like zuma who want to have thousand wives because they are womanisers and they cant keep their zip closed and they claim that its a 50/50 how if its 50/50 zuma must allow his wives also to have more husbands
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Dont agree with you,King Solom,David and them in the bible were married to many wife and God aproved their marriage.
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What about 50/50 is it still applying because a woman cannot be allowed to have more than one husband but a man is allowed too , I have always said and i will say it again utata yintloko yekhaya
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Pabi
Amen to that sister, I don't want that too.problem about men is they are selfish they only think for themselves and they don't care about women's feelings
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Phathuza
DJ-WinnerWhat happened to the culture? The culture allows us to marry as many wives as possible. Yvonne does not have the ability to change culture. This is our culture that has been practiced for decades. Women must not being arrogant now because they have money and educated. Respect is very important if you want to be successful in life.
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Yes it can be your culture but this is against God , God created Adam and Eve , He wanted Adam to have Eve as one wife not many wives
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Bumboklaat
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WOW! Very very cunning! but in all fairness everyone has their own choice!
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Papage
Please Sowetan fix this article, someone posted rubish and is waisting space here,Yes everyone must be free to do what ever, but some of us need to be guided, bit of education, dont confuse our youth please.
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Bumboklaat
@PabiAmen to that sister, I don't want that too.
problem about men is they are selfish they only think for themselves and they don't care about women's feelings
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!#Sinudeity#!
Dubul'Amanzi - King Solomon is old-testament school of thinking. Monogamy is new-testament thinking. If we adhered to old-testament, then you would be stoned for having an affair, and you would not be allowed to eat pork.Report Abuse
Bumboklaat
@PhathuzaDJ-Winner
What happened to the culture? The culture allows us to marry as many wives as possible. Yvonne does not have the ability to change culture. This is our culture that has been practiced for decades. Women must not being arrogant now because they have money and educated. Respect is very important if you want to be successful in life.
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Yes it can be your culture but this is against God , God created Adam and Eve , He wanted Adam to have Eve as one wife not many wives
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As much as I don't agree with this practice I take offence that you suggest that your god can overrule my culture just like that!
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Dubul'Amanzi
Hello Sowetan I cant comment.!!Report Abuse
Uncompromising
!#Sinudeity#!Dubul'Amanzi - King Solomon is old-testament school of thinking. Monogamy is new-testament thinking. If we adhered to old-testament, then you would be stoned for having an affair, and you would not be allowed to eat pork.
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Eish, you know too much for your good Steve Hofmeyer, with a touch of humour. And which testament do you subscribe to Steve ?
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oldlady12
Yvonne, nee man. Give him permission to take a 2nd wife, then you take a 2nd husband, and then the 4 of you have a great marriage.Report Abuse
Dubul'Amanzi
@Phathuza50/50 are material things of this world,they are not from God but Parliament.In Haven there is no such thing.
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Dubul'Amanzi
!#Sinudeity#!Dubul'Amanzi - King Solomon is old-testament school of thinking. Monogamy is new-testament thinking. If we adhered to old-testament, then you would be stoned for having an affair, and you would not be allowed to eat pork.
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Lol give me a verse in the bible where God says I dont want a polygamy?
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DJ-Winner - "What happened to the culture? The culture allows us to marry as many wives as possible."Your culture unfortunately has many outdated and barbaric practises. Like the kidnapping and marriage of a girl. Dont you remember the article about the man who said the daughter wasnt a virgin anymore, and thus broken goods, so he wanted to trade for the 14 year old instead.
Plainly sexist. Are women allowed to have more than one husband? Or are just the husbands allowed to have multiple wives?
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!#Sinudeity#!Your culture unfortunately has many outdated and barbaric practises. Like the kidnapping and marriage of a girl. Dont you remember the article about the man who said the daughter wasnt a virgin anymore, and thus broken goods, so he wanted to trade for the 14 year old instead.
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Its a good thing we have you for current and civilized information, neh Steve?
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God didnt create us to worship culture but to fellowship with HIM and obey HIM,,,period.Report Abuse
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WordofGodGod didnt create us to worship culture but to fellowship with HIM and obey HIM,,,period.
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LOL, who worships culture ? Are you saved or a survivor ?
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KE-NYOBA-DORIS
If what is written here is what she actually uttered then she has no respect, there is a better way to send or make a pointThe choice of words are disrespecting to the husband
We all known she married to the Dr, and their affair has nothing to do with the media even though Yvonne appears in media, But the way she made this statement its wrong for the sake of his husband who got nothing to do with the media coverage to make money
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Bumboklaat
@WordofGodGod didnt create us to worship culture but to fellowship with HIM and obey HIM,,,period.
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Don't start wena!
How have you been?
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Dubul'Amanzi - The Bible (old or new testament) NEVER favoured polygamy.The clearest evidence that monogamy is God’s ideal is from Christ’s teaching on marriage in Matt. 19:3–6. In this passage, He cited the Genesis creation account, in particular Gen. 1:27 and 2:24, saying ‘the two will become one flesh’, not more than two.
Another important biblical teaching is the parallel of husband and wife with Christ and the Church in Eph. 5:22–33, which makes sense only with monogamy—Jesus will not have multiple brides.
Genesis 2:23-34 The man said, 'This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh'...For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and they will become one flesh.
In Matt. 19:4 we are told by Jesus that God created one “male and [one] female” and joined them in marriage.
It wasn’t until sin made man fall (Gen. 4:23) that polygamy occurs. Cain was cursed, Lamech is a descendent of Cain and the first to practice polygamy. The first time polygamous relationship is found in the Bible is with a thriving rebellious society in sin; when a murderer named “Lamech [a descendant of Cain] took for himself two wives” (Gen.4:19, 23).
Paul insisted that a leader in the church should be “the husband of one wife,” a deacon or elder must have one wife... Titus 1:6
What does Scripture say about Polygamy?
In Matt. 19:4 we are told by Jesus that God created one “male and [one] female” and joined them in marriage. Mark 10:6-8:"But from the beginning of the creation, God 'made them male and female.' 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 'and the two shall become one flesh'; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh.
The two as one is the pattern on how marriage was to be conducted from the start. NOT three or four as one.
Eve was taken from Adams body and given back to him as his wife (singular) showing God’s approval of what the marriage union is to be like. God always spoke of man's “wife,” as singular, not wives. Notice it also states one father one mother.
It wasn’t until sin made man fall (Gen. 4:23) that polygamy occurs. Cain was cursed, Lamech is a descendent of Cain and the first to practice polygamy. The first time polygamous relationship is found in the Bible is with a thriving rebellious society in sin; when a murderer named “Lamech [a descendant of Cain] took for himself two wives” (Gen.4:19, 23).
The same Godly pattern of one man and one wife is lived by Noah. At the time of the Ark (Gen. 7:7), Noah took his one wife into the ark, all his son’s took one wife; God called Noah’s family righteous and pure. If polygamy were ordained of God, it would have made sense that Noah and his sons would have taken additional wives with them to repopulate the earth faster from the cataclysm.
This was to be a permanent union between man and woman that they might be helpful to one another (Genesis 2:18). Marriage represents a relationship of both spiritual and physical unity.
Hebrews 13:3-4: “Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.”
We have examples of saints in the Old Testament going off the commandment i.e Solomon, but this is not God approved. Many of the patriarchs took more than one wife. Abraham, by recommendation of Sarah, took her maid. Jacob was tricked through Laban, into taking Leah first, and then Rachel, to whom he had been betrothed. polygamy was not wrong in ancient cultures, but was a departure from the divine institution that God ordained.
In the Bible I count 15 examples of polygamy from the time of Lamech to 931 A.D. 13 of these men had enough power that no one could call into question their practice, they were unaccountable or no one dared approach them. Lamech Genesis 4:19; Abraham Genesis 16; Esau Genesis 26:34; 28:9; Jacob Genesis 29:30; Ashur 1 Chronicles 4:5; Gideon Judges 8:30; Elkanah 1 Samuel 1:2; David 1 Samuel 25:39-44; 2 Samuel 3:2-5; 5:13; 1 Chronicles 14:3; Solomon 1 Kings 11:1-8; Rehoboam 2 Chronicles 11:18-23; Abijah 2 Chronicles 13:21; Jehoram 2 Chronicles 21:14; Joash 2 Chronicles 24:3; Ahab 2 Kings 10; Jehoiachin 2 Kings 24:15; Belshazzar Daniel 5:2; 1 Chronicles 2:8; Hosea in Hosea 3:1,2. Polygamy is mentioned in the Mosaic law and made inclusive on the basis of legislation, and continued to be practiced all down through the period of Jewish history to the Captivity, after which there is no instance of it on record (Gen.29:15-30, Jacob and his wives.)
Was Abraham, David Solomon condemned or approved for practicing polygamy? Well they certainly did not get blessed for it! The fact that every polygamist in the Bible like David and Solomon (1 Chron. 14:3) were punished. This should be evidence that this is not God’s will.
God never condoned polygamy but like divorce he allowed it to occur and did not bring an immediate punishment for this disobedience. Deut. 17:14-17: “I will set a king over me like all the nations that are around me,' “you shall surely set a king over you whom the LORD your God chooses; one from among your brethren you shall set as king over you; you may not set a foreigner over you, who is not your brother. But he shall not multiply horses for himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt to multiply horses, for the LORD has said to you, 'You shall not return that way again.' “Neither shall he multiply wives for himself, lest his heart turn away; nor shall he greatly multiply silver and gold for himself.” This is the command of God, and he has never changed it.
1 Kings 11:3 says Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines violating the principle of monogamy that he was given through the law of Moses. Consider that Solomon at one time was the wisest man in the world. In I Kings 11:4: “For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.” Notice Solomon became a polytheist because he was influenced in polygamy. In his case many wives, became many gods. Scripture has always commanded monogamy (Ps.128:3; Prov. 5:18; 18:22; 19:14; 31:10-29; Eccl. 9:9).
The fact is that God never commanded polygamy or divorce. Scripture says (Bible) He only permitted it because of the hardness of their hearts (Deut. 24:1; Matt. 19:8). Matt. 5:31-32: “Furthermore it has been said, “Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce. But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.” God hates divorce as well as polygamy, since it destroys the family (Mal. 2:16). Whatever the patriarchs or any Christian did wrong does not change the fact the Bible condemns it.
There are some stipulations in the law that are connected to this subject. Matt. 22:24: “Teacher, Moses said that if a man dies, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife and raise up offspring for his brother.” This is based on the commandment found in Deut. 25:5-6: “If brothers dwell together, and one of them dies and has no son, the widow of the dead man shall not be married to a stranger outside the family; her husband's brother shall go in to her, take her as his wife, and perform the duty of a husband's brother to her. “And it shall be that the firstborn son which she bears will succeed to the name of his dead brother, that his name may not be blotted out of Israel. ”
Multiple wives was tolerated but never with God's approval. Jesus told the Jews, "Because of your hardness of heart, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way" (Matthew 19:3-8). The Mosaic law aimed at mitigating, rather than removing, evils that were inseparable from the state of society in that day. Its enactments were directed to the discouragement of polygamy; to prevent the injustice frequently consequent upon the exercise of the rights of a father or a master; to bring divorce under some restriction; and to enforce purity of life during the maintenance of the matrimonial bond.
The Bible says adultery is not a choice, one does not have to acquire another wife to solve his urges. Jesus said if you look upon another woman with desire (married or not) it is adultery, a sin.
Paul insisted that a leader in the church should be “the husband of one wife,” a deacon or elder must have one wife... Titus 1:6.
The New Testament teaches that, “Each man [should] have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband” (1 Cor. 7:2). Monogamous marriage teaches us the type of the relation Christ has between himself and His bride, the church (Eph. 5:31-32). The church is called the bride, collectively as one (singular) each person is not a bride, as in plurality of wives and marriages.
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how amy females, how many males in this world?Report Abuse
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Ke eo he mamoruti wa sowetanlive.Report Abuse
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Tjo, "Nudity", you have too much time on your hands. I hope you have done the lawn already !Report Abuse
Phathuza
!#Sinudeity#!Dubul'Amanzi - The Bible (old or new testament) NEVER favoured polygamy.
The clearest evidence that monogamy is God’s ideal is from Christ’s teaching on marriage in Matt. 19:3–6. In this passage, He cited the Genesis creation account, in particular Gen. 1:27 and 2:24, saying ‘the two will become one flesh’, not more than two.
Another important biblical teaching is the parallel of husband and wife with Christ and the Church in Eph. 5:22–33, which makes sense only with monogamy—Jesus will not have multiple brides.
Genesis 2:23-34 The man said, 'This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh'...For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and they will become one flesh.
In Matt. 19:4 we are told by Jesus that God created one “male and [one] female” and joined them in marriage.
It wasn’t until sin made man fall (Gen. 4:23) that polygamy occurs. Cain was cursed, Lamech is a descendent of Cain and the first to practice polygamy. The first time polygamous relationship is found in the Bible is with a thriving rebellious society in sin; when a murderer named “Lamech [a descendant of Cain] took for himself two wives” (Gen.4:19, 23).
Paul insisted that a leader in the church should be “the husband of one wife,” a deacon or elder must have one wife... Titus 1:6
What does Scripture say about Polygamy?
In Matt. 19:4 we are told by Jesus that God created one “male and [one] female” and joined them in marriage. Mark 10:6-8:"But from the beginning of the creation, God 'made them male and female.' 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 'and the two shall become one flesh'; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh.
The two as one is the pattern on how marriage was to be conducted from the start. NOT three or four as one.
Eve was taken from Adams body and given back to him as his wife (singular) showing God’s approval of what the marriage union is to be like. God always spoke of man's “wife,” as singular, not wives. Notice it also states one father one mother.
It wasn’t until sin made man fall (Gen. 4:23) that polygamy occurs. Cain was cursed, Lamech is a descendent of Cain and the first to practice polygamy. The first time polygamous relationship is found in the Bible is with a thriving rebellious society in sin; when a murderer named “Lamech [a descendant of Cain] took for himself two wives” (Gen.4:19, 23).
The same Godly pattern of one man and one wife is lived by Noah. At the time of the Ark (Gen. 7:7), Noah took his one wife into the ark, all his son’s took one wife; God called Noah’s family righteous and pure. If polygamy were ordained of God, it would have made sense that Noah and his sons would have taken additional wives with them to repopulate the earth faster from the cataclysm.
This was to be a permanent union between man and woman that they might be helpful to one another (Genesis 2:18). Marriage represents a relationship of both spiritual and physical unity.
Hebrews 13:3-4: “Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.”
We have examples of saints in the Old Testament going off the commandment i.e Solomon, but this is not God approved. Many of the patriarchs took more than one wife. Abraham, by recommendation of Sarah, took her maid. Jacob was tricked through Laban, into taking Leah first, and then Rachel, to whom he had been betrothed. polygamy was not wrong in ancient cultures, but was a departure from the divine institution that God ordained.
In the Bible I count 15 examples of polygamy from the time of Lamech to 931 A.D. 13 of these men had enough power that no one could call into question their practice, they were unaccountable or no one dared approach them. Lamech Genesis 4:19; Abraham Genesis 16; Esau Genesis 26:34; 28:9; Jacob Genesis 29:30; Ashur 1 Chronicles 4:5; Gideon Judges 8:30; Elkanah 1 Samuel 1:2; David 1 Samuel 25:39-44; 2 Samuel 3:2-5; 5:13; 1 Chronicles 14:3; Solomon 1 Kings 11:1-8; Rehoboam 2 Chronicles 11:18-23; Abijah 2 Chronicles 13:21; Jehoram 2 Chronicles 21:14; Joash 2 Chronicles 24:3; Ahab 2 Kings 10; Jehoiachin 2 Kings 24:15; Belshazzar Daniel 5:2; 1 Chronicles 2:8; Hosea in Hosea 3:1,2. Polygamy is mentioned in the Mosaic law and made inclusive on the basis of legislation, and continued to be practiced all down through the period of Jewish history to the Captivity, after which there is no instance of it on record (Gen.29:15-30, Jacob and his wives.)
Was Abraham, David Solomon condemned or approved for practicing polygamy? Well they certainly did not get blessed for it! The fact that every polygamist in the Bible like David and Solomon (1 Chron. 14:3) were punished. This should be evidence that this is not God’s will.
God never condoned polygamy but like divorce he allowed it to occur and did not bring an immediate punishment for this disobedience. Deut. 17:14-17: “I will set a king over me like all the nations that are around me,' “you shall surely set a king over you whom the LORD your God chooses; one from among your brethren you shall set as king over you; you may not set a foreigner over you, who is not your brother. But he shall not multiply horses for himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt to multiply horses, for the LORD has said to you, 'You shall not return that way again.' “Neither shall he multiply wives for himself, lest his heart turn away; nor shall he greatly multiply silver and gold for himself.” This is the command of God, and he has never changed it.
1 Kings 11:3 says Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines violating the principle of monogamy that he was given through the law of Moses. Consider that Solomon at one time was the wisest man in the world. In I Kings 11:4: “For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.” Notice Solomon became a polytheist because he was influenced in polygamy. In his case many wives, became many gods. Scripture has always commanded monogamy (Ps.128:3; Prov. 5:18; 18:22; 19:14; 31:10-29; Eccl. 9:9).
The fact is that God never commanded polygamy or divorce. Scripture says (Bible) He only permitted it because of the hardness of their hearts (Deut. 24:1; Matt. 19:8). Matt. 5:31-32: “Furthermore it has been said, “Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce. But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.” God hates divorce as well as polygamy, since it destroys the family (Mal. 2:16). Whatever the patriarchs or any Christian did wrong does not change the fact the Bible condemns it.
There are some stipulations in the law that are connected to this subject. Matt. 22:24: “Teacher, Moses said that if a man dies, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife and raise up offspring for his brother.” This is based on the commandment found in Deut. 25:5-6: “If brothers dwell together, and one of them dies and has no son, the widow of the dead man shall not be married to a stranger outside the family; her husband's brother shall go in to her, take her as his wife, and perform the duty of a husband's brother to her. “And it shall be that the firstborn son which she bears will succeed to the name of his dead brother, that his name may not be blotted out of Israel. ”
Multiple wives was tolerated but never with God's approval. Jesus told the Jews, "Because of your hardness of heart, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way" (Matthew 19:3-8). The Mosaic law aimed at mitigating, rather than removing, evils that were inseparable from the state of society in that day. Its enactments were directed to the discouragement of polygamy; to prevent the injustice frequently consequent upon the exercise of the rights of a father or a master; to bring divorce under some restriction; and to enforce purity of life during the maintenance of the matrimonial bond.
The Bible says adultery is not a choice, one does not have to acquire another wife to solve his urges. Jesus said if you look upon another woman with desire (married or not) it is adultery, a sin.
Paul insisted that a leader in the church should be “the husband of one wife,” a deacon or elder must have one wife... Titus 1:6.
The New Testament teaches that, “Each man [should] have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband” (1 Cor. 7:2). Monogamous marriage teaches us the type of the relation Christ has between himself and His bride, the church (Eph. 5:31-32). The church is called the bride, collectively as one (singular) each person is not a bride, as in plurality of wives and marriages.
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Nongoloza24
!#Sinudeity#!Plainly sexist. Are women allowed to have more than one husband? Or are just the husbands allowed to have multiple wives?
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Don't question African practices woman!!
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Rragwe
A wise man solomon had 1000 wifesReport Abuse
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Nongoloza24 - Im not question some of your practises...Im telling you straight, they are bull$h17.
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WordofGod
@!#Sinudeity#!am shocked!! Amen
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Bumboklaat
@RragweA wise man solomon had 1000 wifes
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A wise man will never marry 1000 wives, who wants 1000 menopausal bodies bitching at you?
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KE-NYOBA-DORIS
God doesn't exist in AFRICAWe follow our traditions....PERIOD
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Chaka Chaka said women had to be allowed to choose if they want to be in a customary marriage.==============
This is too much freedom and look at RSA today because of too much freedom it's mess,exactly what's happening about today women.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@WordofGod!#Sinudeity#!
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Lekgowa le amohetse Jesus wena maan.lol
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Click-Baby
Yvonne.. Marriage is as slippery as the lifebuoy soap you advertise.. So deal with it!!Report Abuse
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - The word is "Lakholwa".Doesnt matter who or what I believe in, just as long as my beliefs doesnt oppress anyone.
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oldlady12
Katakata, I want 2 husbands too. Look guys, this is simple. If both parties, male and female, agree to it, then it is their business and their right. If one of the parties, like Chaka does not agree with it, the man is free to go pursue his culture somewhere else. If he stays, he obviously agrees with it, so again, we have two parties agreeing.Uncomprimising, PLEASE stop insulting Steve.
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Dubul'Amanzi
@!#Sinudeity#!Hope you didnt copy that long thing from google.Thats the problem if we interprete the bible without understanding it.
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@!#Sinudeity#!Nongoloza24 - Im not question some of your practises...
Im telling you straight, they are bull$h17
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Aooww am shocked!!After soo much Bible quoting this is wat u write!!!o tlhoka all nite prayer
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TheGenius
Uthi uKhuzani engomeni yakhe: "Niyokhuluma nize nishe amathe zingamampunge lezo zindaba zenu..." Nami ngisho njalo. Okusalayo nje ayikho indoda engeke yathanda ukudla ngapha ibuye idle ngapha - yingoba anazi ukuthi kwenziwa njani. Buzani uma ningazi sinitshele. Indaba ka 50/50 ubulongwe obufike ne-ANC nje lobo kodwa nayo futhi engasindi ngabo. Ingani nangu uMeshack Radebe le kwelakithi eNatali onguNgqongqoshe Wesifundazwe naye ushaya unesithembu?Ningalahlekiswa! Anikaze ninake yini ukuthi labafazi okuthiwa balwela amalungelo abanye abafazi iningi labo alishadile or lidivosile kodwa linamaboyfriend? Umfazi uyazithoba endodeni yakhe, ayibize ngobaba - hhayi lo doti osugcwele emnyango, njengaye lo mfazi weShangane ohambe ehlambalaza indoda emazweni esigangeni ethi uma ike yathatha omunye izomthola kahle. Mina ngeke nje umfazi ahambe ekhuluma kanje ngami esidlangalaleni ehambe engikhumula ibhulukwe ebonisa ubuze bami. Akukho ukuthi nathi sinabafazi nje siyabahlukumeza, kodwa siyaxoxa nabo ngisho sisobabili munye aze asho athi: "Uyabona le nto oyenzayo nje Senzo, angiyifuni noma ngize ngiyibone". Kodwa sisuke sisobabili lapho.
Angithi yingoba nina senibizwa abafazi benu ngamagama. Mina umfazi uma eke wathi "Senzo' ngivele ngibone ukuthi konakele ekhaya kukhona okufanele sikulungise, kungenjalo, mina ngubaba kaDumisile noma angibize ngesithakazelo athi "Khuzwayo". Hhayi-ke ngiyabavumela futhi bangibize ngo-babe. Kodwa lapho isikhathi esiningi ngisuke sengibona ukuthi kukhona osekudingakala, futhi angiphoxi ngiyakwenza lokho okusuke kufunwa.
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Uncompromising - Hambani niyonya.Report Abuse
cornelius
The tradition of polygamy is unconstitutional because it only cuts one way. As long as women sre not given the same rights ( i.e. a woman can have more than one husband) it is discriminatory and against our constitution.Report Abuse
Dubul'Amanzi
Isaiah 4:1. And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man....@SinudeityReport Abuse
Flemza
Its a pity you are lucky or your husband is s.tupity, you are not married to real Shangaan whom we all know, maybe by now you should have been a devorceeReport Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
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This is so true, but unfortunately tax payers do not have a say as we are paying expenses for a polygamous president
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@!#Sinudeity#!Uncompromising - Hambani niyonya
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kikikikikiki! that's the spirit
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WordofGod
@sowetankante keng jwanong?
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady12Katakata, I want 2 husbands too. Look guys, this is simple. If both parties, male and female, agree to it, then it is their business and their right. If one of the parties, like Chaka does not agree with it, the man is free to go pursue his culture somewhere else. If he stays, he obviously agrees with it, so again, we have two parties agreeing.
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Oldie the bible said that seven women shall take hold of one man in Isaiah 4:1,just imagine a woman having two husbands the word of God calls that adultery.LOL
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Tango
Lord-Have-Mercyhow amy females, how many males in this world?
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Not sure about the world, but for us in Mzansi its 25.2 million male, and 26.6 million female.So some of us can afford two, three or four.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@!#Sinudeity#!KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - The word is "Lakholwa".
Doesnt matter who or what I believe in, just as long as my beliefs doesnt oppress anyone.
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This is the holy man of God Sinudeity#!, man of belief.
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WordofGod
@Dubul'AmanziIsaiah 4:1. And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man....@Sinudeity
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you are quoting out of context
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WordofGod@Dubul'Amanzi
Isaiah 4:1. And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man....@Sinudeity
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you are quoting out of context
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How is it out of context?
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oldlady12
Dubul'Amanzi, that 7 women taking hold of one man thing is what happened in Zim with the sp.erm collecting female ra.pists. It wasn't talking about marriage.Report Abuse
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe / Dubul'Amanzi - You guys are taking Isiah 4:1 out of context.Isaiah 4:I. In that day seven women will take hold of one man and say, “We will eat our own food and provide our own clothes; only let us be called by your name. Take away our disgrace!”
Lord had Isaiah speak against the vanity of Israel’s women. Their wealth and their pride will be taken away to the point where multiple women will be willing to join together and agree to pay their own expenses to come under the legal protection of one man through marriage.
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WordofGod
@Dubuldid u read the whole chapter even the chapter before or you just got too excited and picked half a sentence?
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oldlady12
Katakata, the Word of Oldie calls that unfair, and that's the only word I live by. BTW, did you know The Bible was written by men for men in a time when women were oppressed and were not even allowed to learn to read and write? I think the only place in The Bible where God talked directly with man was with Moses on the mountain. There may be one of two other instances, but the rest of it was written by men.Report Abuse
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WordofGod@Dubul
did u read the whole chapter even the chapter before or you just got too excited and picked half a sentence?
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Yes I did.
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oldlady12Katakata, the Word of Oldie calls that unfair, and that's the only word I live by. BTW, did you know The Bible was written by men for men in a time when women were oppressed and were not even allowed to learn to read and write? I think the only place in The Bible where God talked directly with man was with Moses on the mountain. There may be one of two other instances, but the rest of it was written by men
How old are you?
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RaoN
I like it people start qouting the bible as if the bible is the guide line for all human kind. The bible is believe for only christians, some people are muslams, hindus,...etc. Also we must learn to respect our culture, culture is not about empowerment or abuse but its who we are. If you dont like to be involved in polygammy than do as Yvonne will do and stop critising those who're doing it. AmenReport Abuse
MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@!#Sinudeity#!Uncompromising - Hambani niyonya
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LOL! You are speaking in tongues
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Phuphethakatha
@Lord-Have-Mercyshe wants to leave her husband, indesguise, Chaca Chaka is eyeing Msholozi, but at the end of the day she will contradict herself, but live happy ever after
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Chaka-Chaka is inconsistent. She wants gay rights to be respected while bashing polygammy. I say polygammy must be respected as well.
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WordofGod
@Dubul'Amanzithen ask the holy spirit to teach you and interpret it for you
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra
@TangoLord-Have-Mercy
how amy females, how many males in this world?
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Not sure about the world, but for us in Mzansi its 25.2 million male, and 26.6 million female.So some of us can afford two, three or four.
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We dont have the figures for gays, lesbians, transgendered and bise.xual people
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Dubul'Amanzi
WordofGod@Dubul'Amanzi
then ask the holy spirit to teach you and interpret it for you
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Do you agree with polygam or what?It sound like a "special" person.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@!#Sinudeity#!KatakataEmaotoAditshepe / Dubul'Amanzi - You guys are taking Isiah 4:1 out of context.
Isaiah 4:I. In that day seven women will take hold of one man and say, “We will eat our own food and provide our own clothes; only let us be called by your name. Take away our disgrace!”
Lord had Isaiah speak against the vanity of Israel’s women. Their wealth and their pride will be taken away to the point where multiple women will be willing to join together and agree to pay their own expenses to come under the legal protection of one man through marriage.
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You dont bring it into context you just express you mind here #Sinudeity#.
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TheGenius
Niyejabula-ke nina eniphila ngeConstitution.Report Abuse
Click-Baby
This world is going to end on the 21st Dec.. And I haven't been to blo'0dy Australia??Report Abuse
RaoN
Hahahahaha dankie TheGeniusReport Abuse
Nongoloza24
!#Sinudeity#!You are white so I expect them to be bullish to you.
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MSG_S
Eish! Temba, you see now. You have a choice but some next to you is denying you that choice. Anyway my broer this marriage of ISITEMBU, you cant be sure you are the only one who is chowing all these wives. Someone somewhere somehow is grinding your wives too.Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady12Katakata, the Word of Oldie calls that unfair, and that's the only word I live by. BTW, did you know The Bible was written by men for men in a time when women were oppressed and were not even allowed to learn to read and write? I think the only place in The Bible where God talked directly with man was with Moses on the mountain. There may be one of two other instances, but the rest of it was written by men
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Oldie even if we've many verse talking about how men must treat their wifes this one included ( "Ephesians 5:25-27" Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church ) wome were oppressed?
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WordofGod
@Dubul'AmanziWordofGod
@Dubul'Amanzi
then ask the holy spirit to teach you and interpret it for you
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Do you agree with polygam or what?It sound like a "special" person.
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it is obvious i dont agree. the bible tells us that you shall have one wife not wives. read Paul's teaching on 1Cor 7
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Dubul'Amanzi
WordofGod@Dubul'Amanzi
WordofGod
@Dubul'Amanzi
then ask the holy spirit to teach you and interpret it for you
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Do you agree with polygam or what?It sound like a "special" person.
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it is obvious i dont agree. the bible tells us that you shall have one wife not wives. read Paul's teaching on 1Cor 7
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Do you agree with Gay and Lesbian marriage?
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!#Sinudeity#!
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - "Ephesians 5:25-27 "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church"If the verse said, husband, love your wives, then you could have had a point.
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skwamasamabele
The Genius- Heshe nsizwa!!!! ubtshele labafazi abadelelayo. I have an Enlgish wife and I told her when we go to eMzansi, I would be obliged to take 2 more wives, and she went mad. I have 5 children and she wont allow me to have a mistress, but, angazi nokuthi kufuneke ngimfake induku, or just divorce her. Women should understand, the world ratio of women to men is 5:1, so If we dont take extra wives some women would go to their graves bengahlalelwanga (without nookie). Ngiyayithanda ikuku I'd spend all day eating it, but the wife doesn't approveReport Abuse
WordofGod
@Dubul'Amanzihelang wena!!! lol, which bible do u you read kante?
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oldlady12
Dubul, 2868 years next birthday. Studied The Bible for a total of 11 yrears.Report Abuse
Dubul'Amanzi
WordofGod@Dubul'Amanzi
helang wena!!! lol, which bible do u you read kante?
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As far as I know there is only one bible (with different versions) and I'm reading that one.I want your views not bible.
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WordofGod
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe@oldlady12
Katakata, the Word of Oldie calls that unfair, and that's the only word I live by. BTW, did you know The Bible was written by men for men in a time when women were oppressed and were not even allowed to learn to read and write? I think the only place in The Bible where God talked directly with man was with Moses on the mountain. There may be one of two other instances, but the rest of it was written by men
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Oldie even if we've many verse talking about how men must treat their wifes this one included ( "Ephesians 5:25-27" Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church ) wome were oppressed?
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pls read and understand engrishhhh
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Lesoba-Le-Phodile
Yvonne wa Nnyela maaan...mosima.Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@!#Sinudeity#!KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - "Ephesians 5:25-27 "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church"
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If the verse said, husband, love your wives, then you could have had a point.
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Pastor #Sinude it doesnt say husbands dont take 2nd wife.
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WordofGod
@Dubulam sorry,i cant give you my own views but the Word of God...*wink*
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skwamasamabele
Katata...- Like hell Sinudeity is a man of God, if he is then I'm the pope. Sin's mouth is dirtier than a ho's p**sy (lol) and he would willingly agree with thatReport Abuse
Dubul'Amanzi
@WordofGodOk pleasure my sister.
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Voetzek
"If he wants to go and marry someone else, let him go. He can do that"------------------------------
Its a lie, if he thretens to leave for onother chick she will be crying like chiwawa
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oldlady12
WordofGod, "please read and understand English".. talking to me or Katakata?Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@skwamasamabeleKatata...- Like hell Sinudeity is a man of God, if he is then I'm the pope. Sin's mouth is dirtier than a ho's p**sy (lol) and he would willingly agree with that.
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Tltltltltltltltltltltltltltltltltltlkakkakakkakakakakkakakkakakakakkekekekekekekekekekekekekkeke, you made my day man.
*black out*
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Bumboklaat
Yerrrrreeeee! go tletse bo Pastor Mbhorho lebo pastor Mjosti ka hierso!Report Abuse
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe - It doesnt say, husbands, take multiples wives.Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady12WordofGod, "please read and understand English".. talking to me or Katakata?
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Oldie she didnt take her medication this morning leave her alone.
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DJ-Winner
!#Sinudeity#!DJ-Winner - "What happened to the culture? The culture allows us to marry as many wives as possible."
Your culture unfortunately has many outdated and barbaric practises
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That is why people will not vote for DA. You are looking down at black people and our culture.
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MSG_S
oldlady12Yvonne, nee man. Give him permission to take a 2nd wife, then you take a 2nd husband, and then the 4 of you have a great marriage.
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oldlady. NO no, it does not work like that. You can tolerate if your father has children outside but not your mother. Never, I can wash my mother clean from my heart if she can bring a bastard at home. You see that is how it works you dont call your father's child from outside a bastard, but your mother's child form outside is a f@cking bastard.
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!#Sinudeity#!
skwamasamabele - Yeah, I do swear. I use it to express my outrage, just like when Jesus got so mad, he destroyed the tables of the money-traders in the temple. I am nowhere near to the man Jesus is, none of us are. Who are you to judge?Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
DJ-Winner - "That is why people will not vote for DA. You are looking down at black people and our culture."My thought and my views are my own, and are in no way affiliated to the DA.
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oldlady12
MSG_S, but if your mother was married to both men, then the child is not from outside, so it is not a bastard. Actually, the real meaning for the word "bastard", is for any child born outside of marriage. Anyways, is it not true that in your culture the parents have more "rights" than the children?Report Abuse
DJ-Winner
@skwamasamabele....No man. This is wrong. You can't talk like that now, even if you are not a Christian.Report Abuse
WordofGod
@oldlady12WordofGod, "please read and understand English".. talking to me or Katakata?
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@skwamasamabeleKatata....- Hang on there, Jesus was promisciuos, he f**ked prostitutes all over Jerusalem and Hebron because he didn't want commitment and children, not that you'd find that in the bible.
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Eiiiiiiiiiiish Skwamasamabele "Hands behind head"
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!#Sinudeity#!
MSG_S - "You can tolerate if your father has children outside but not your mother. Never, I can wash my mother clean from my heart if she can bring a bastard at home. You see that is how it works you dont call your father's child from outside a bastard, but your mother's child form outside is a f@cking bastard."So, its cool if your dad does it, but wrong if your mother does it?
Do you see where the sexism argument comes in?
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DJ-Winner
!#Sinudeity#!DJ-Winner - "That is why people will not vote for DA. You are looking down at black people and our culture."
My thought and my views are my own, and are in no way affiliated to the DA.
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Well, you work for DA. You here in this site on DA's pay cheaque. People see DA in you.
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WordofGod
@skwamasamabeleKatata....- Hang on there, Jesus was promisciuos, he f**ked prostitutes all over Jerusalem and Hebron because he didn't want commitment and children, not that you'd find that in the bible
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eish ja neh! ga o di tshabe neh!!!!! iyooooooooooo
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Dubul'Amanzi
!#Sinudeity#!MSG_S - "You can tolerate if your father has children outside but not your mother. Never, I can wash my mother clean from my heart if she can bring a bastard at home. You see that is how it works you dont call your father's child from outside a bastard, but your mother's child form outside is a f@cking bastard."
So, its cool if your dad does it, but wrong if your mother does it?
Do you see where the sexism argument comes in?
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Java or whatever is driving you crazy.
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oldlady12
DJ-Winner, I have to agree there with you today. DA was becomming my next choice for voting, but between their nutcase supporters, and ANC nutcase supporters (all always bringing politics into everything), I'm going to vote for KISS. Can we please now leave politics out of this?Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
DJ-Winner - "Well, you work for DA. You here in this site on DA's pay cheaque. People see DA in you."Not at all. I dont work for the DA, the DA doesnt pay me anything. Im not even a DA member. Only reason why I promote the DA, is to try and get a two-party democracy going.
Now, back to the topic.
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WordofGod
@Dubul'Amanzi@WordofGod
Ok pleasure my sister.
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so i if i tell you what the Word of God says, you are not going to take it???
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DJ-Winner
The problem with us as African people is that we look down at our own cultures. We allow Western people to brainwash us and influence us to follow their cultures. People like Yvonne are seen as celebrates. They should be representing us and educating young stars about our history, not trying to make our culture extinct.The President of the country and the King of the Zulus have led by example and tried to preserve the culture. That is why we are proud of them as a nation. We will play our role to ensure that the culture continues for the future generations to come. We have the responsibility to preserve this culture, not to talk ill about it.
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Bumboklaat
Tlogelang Skhwama a bolele! Lena ge le thlapaola ditso tsa rena gale te tshwabele! two faced mother fcukers!Report Abuse
Dubul'Amanzi
WordofGod@Dubul'Amanzi
@WordofGod
Ok pleasure my sister.
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so i if i tell you what the Word of God says, you are not going to take it???
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I'm a Christian so I will take it.
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DJ-Winner
People like Yvonne are seen as celebrities, I meant...Report Abuse
RaoN
Culture has never, and will be outdated. What is it women always want to do what men do, there's no african culture that allows women to take more than one husband. AmenReport Abuse
Click-Baby
Yvonne needs a Zulu boyfriend..Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@WordofGodskwamasamabele
Katata....- Hang on there, Jesus was promisciuos, he f**ked prostitutes all over Jerusalem and Hebron because he didn't want commitment and children, not that you'd find that in the bible
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eish ja neh! ga o di tshabe neh!!!!! iyooooooooooo
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Batho ba tsebang Jesus e seng lona Tltltltltltltltltltltltltltltltlttlltltltltltl heyyyyy booo!lol
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Charley4sure
Tell that to the Giggling Casanova Karaoke Star of Nkandla and his blind followers.Beware Princess of Africa, the commission of enquiry will be appointed to investigate
your beliefs
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skwamasamabele
WordofGod-- People read the bible religiously, I read it objectively. If you can access BBC iPlayer on the internet, try and research David Attenborough's Origins of Life and Andrew Marr's 'Origin of our Species'. You'd soon realise how obsolete most of the bible is, and how Jesus was just a mere mortal who enjoyed p**sy like any red blooded male.Report Abuse
WordofGod
@Bumboba re o dumele
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RaoN
@DJ-Winner dankie my bra. If we can all differential between culture and religion then will stop quoting the bible Unnecessary.Report Abuse
!#Sinudeity#!
DJ-Winner - Dont even bring JZ into this matter to defend your culture. He's not doing it to preserve the culture. He's just doing it because he is a h0rny old go@t.Point in case, is it not against your culture to commit adultery?
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DJ-Winner
RaoN@DJ-Winner dankie my bra. If we can all differential between culture and religion then will stop quoting the bible Unnecessary.
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I agree.
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RaoN
!#Sinudeity#!DJ-Winner - Dont even bring JZ into this matter to defend your culture. He's not doing it to preserve the culture. He's just doing it because he is a h0rny old go@t.
Point in case, is it not against your culture to commit adultery?
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In my culture, we dont have a definition of adultery or I should adultery doesn't exists, I only learnt
about adultery when I became a christian. amen
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GODESS
Shem Yvonne Kacha Kacha, unya ka molomo, good enough if you dont want you man to marry second wife but your words in this article are not that of an African woman, wa nyatja mosadi tena. siiiies, ke yona democracy yona ye? if it is then ke mase*pa.Report Abuse
TebogoNgobeni
swatika swanononwa marriege is marriegeReport Abuse
fiksa
I am just amazed by the comments in this article. Yvonne has rights like everyone else. The rights include her deciding if she wants to be in a polygamous relationship or not and she is telling everyone that she does not want to. In this article she also does not say people should not do it but women must be able to choose if they want to be in such marriages or not. what is annoying is that when a man gets married right at beginning they do not give the women choices that in future he will be taking a second wife. Therefore I agree with Yvonne. I have a choice in this democratic country and I believe that is what some of our forefathers died for, the freedom of choice. Lastly, it is illegal to take a second wife if you are in a civil marriage, the laws of this country protects us as women. so if my husband took a second wife I'll file for a criminal case and take it all the way to the constitutional court. It is about time women stood up for their rights.Report Abuse
fiksa
The culture story does not cut it. Culture is not static it evolves. Secondly, even in the culture it was the first wife who would decide that she needs help and even choose the second wife for the husband. In the culture that all of you seem to quote you forget to mention that the first wife had to agree therefore Yvonne is right even in the context of the culture the woman has to be given a CHOICE. But, if you get married in a civil union the law does not allow it, and it protects my rights as a woman. Actually maybe it is time we take this one sided argument to the Constitutional Court, the issue of discrimination why should a man be able to have more than one wife and not the woman have more than one husbands? I remember the woman who challenged the culture of saying women could not inherit the Chief inheritance because it is for man and she won it. It is about time we take this also to test it especially because woman's rights are being abused by man under the auspices of CultureReport Abuse
Territc
Totally agree with Yvoone. No way, No How!!The way I see it, this should go both ways. If he can have more than one wife, then I can have more then one husband. What is good for the goose must be good for the gander.
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Gizo
This is Simple, Chaka-Chaka is always away and the poor guy need some action. It is better to marry a second wife than cheating.Report Abuse
Boomslang
David, Solomon and others in the Bible had as many wives as they wanted but it was and it still not God's plan. They were all miserable after that because they didn't follow the example set in the garden of eden....one wife for one manReport Abuse
Osirus
Sangoma!! I love it!Report Abuse
KATTIE
TerritcTotally agree with Yvoone. No way, No How!!
The way I see it, this should go both ways. If he can have more than one wife, then I can have more then one husband. What is good for the goose must be good for the gander.
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Thank you territc, nam i would have another husband, what does he expect me to be doing when he is busy with wife number 2?yhuuuuu
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Britata
yvonne ke dom kop and i want her man,please divorce him for me coz im coming for your marriegeReport Abuse
StrictLady
@!#Sinudeity#! Ja neh, you know your bible verses...I am impressed!! but now " Hambani niyonya"??kwakwakwa............I hope you are not a Pastor right?
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Mzabalazo
Viva Machaka! Viva home girl!Report Abuse
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