It is sad that unions point fingers at one another instead of addressing the problem
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it is even more sad when human beings start killing each other for a problem that can be resolved through amicable talks and negotiations. Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
Eraser
this violence is gttin out of hand..the mine should shut down until they have come to an agreemnt Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
Papage
Where is Vavi? he is suppose to be leading this guys to put down their weapons, his silent is not right at all. Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
1tsotsi
Only President Malema can solve this, remember earlier this year it took him 10min, to calm the tense situation... Send Julius to resolve the issue. Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
MOTHUBANNYO
The sad part about the whole thing is that BLACK is killing his own Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
Lehido
i dont see how this members should fight for stupid things like this......Where are the union leaders in all this? Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
Tsar-Rasputin
I saw a clip of miner dwellers on the news yesterdays. Those guys are armed like Inkatha in the early 90's. What suprising the police did not even attempt to disarm them. Where are they getting those weapons.
You could see fire in their eyes calling for a battle. This is beyong salary negotiations, is about the country's stability
Civilization is still miles away, when picture of a man`s penis brings the country to a halt but the death of 10 healthy humans is part of life ..... Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
duwetse
JayV what are you on about? Your Tribalistic/Racist tendencies are proving to everyone that you are not a very bright person. You should be ashamed of yourself. Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
SetlaboswanaBoy07
Tribalism could be another problem...how can salary negotiations end like this Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
sabza007
I blame NUM, that Siba Leshoka who is NUM president is arrogant and thuggish, same as Irvin Jim. POlice should have shot and killed more, than those 3 thugs that were killed. If they are unhappy about working conditions or salaries, why are they killing those who want to work?? Where is the freedom of speech and movement that is enshrined in the constitution.
These people want to move from R5000.00 that they are currently earning to R12500.00 !!!! Thats crazy. Yes they deserve better salaries, but to jump more than 100% is just unreasonable. Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
Hail
Our own brothers killing each other and nobody is organizing a march to stop it. Nobody is saying anything about it while those dead men are fathers and husbands of people. Our goverment Mxm! Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
MicaParis
There is a honest fact about Unions in our new democracy in which they have completely lost their relevant core mandate precisely in the Government sector. Labor Institutions which are having a constitutional mandate to protect the workers rights on section 23 (2) (a) and (b) had turned into a party and friendship political battles which hampers the well being of the proper functioning of Unions as employee representative. This is very sad as the poor workers are paying heavy monthly fees for the access to their rights which their representatives are busy fatally violating against their will for personal glory and success. The Parliament should promulgate a legislative demarcation that will separate the Government and Unions so that the Union can be clear from Government duress in favor of begging fat posts, for pure sole representation of their respective employees. There is no need for Cadres to fight for top positions in Unions in order to access keys to personal enrichment by selling the soul and flesh of poor workers who are being used as scapegoats for individual ''penny and gold'' so that the Unionist cadres can position themselves for top political posts for example, Comrade Thulas Nxesi (National Minister of Public Works) and all that jazz! Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
Dolls
y blacks are killing each other mara hee? Report Abuse
@JayV are you a public servant who got paid yestersday&backpaid today.You must be not sober. Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
Voetzek
That serve them right how can you go to work when other people are striking? you want to be potrayed as hardworker?------- Tzek Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
MommaC
These incidents indicate a deeply embedded problem. It is easy to manipulate disgruntled people under horrible working conditions and exploitative salaries turn men into animals as brother slays brother.
??? what the hell does that have to do with the price of pork in Palestine ???
Poverty is NOT an excuse to burn people to death or take a panga to a policeman and a salary is negotiated by these very unions so don't now try and make this an 'ag shame poor miners' story. It is about unions acting like Al Capone. Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
Chichi7
MOTHUBANNYO
The sad part about the whole thing is that BLACK is killing his own
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and then we will turn around and say that this is happening because of oppression. Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
Phuphethakatha
I was shocked yesterday when a union (NUM) spokesman said " You do not negotiate when you're attacked in your own house". That's a mine property belonging to an Employer (LONMIN) and workers can choose a union of their choice without fear of being killed by members of a competitor. For instance, I am in ICT industry - a CWU member and when a splinter group formed another union at the work place (ITCU) we did not have a problem with rival members. As I speak CWU is fighting deregistration with Labour Department. All in all NUM and their competitor must take responsibility as workers are fighting each other and dying. The focus should be about improving workers' lives... Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
JnrJack
@2nevvy4u
eintlik go lwanelwa eng?
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morning, my boy we fighting for n.y.o ya mmao!! wtf do u wanna know about us fighting? minining is not for kids like you, IDIOT!!
@Dolls
y blacks are killing each other mara hee?
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inside that stinky pantie you wearing from last weeks, stinks black...WE NOT BLACKS, JOU MUURSKONT: WE ARE AFRICANS! Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
JnrJack
PPL SHUT ALL UR STINKY @SSES UP! U KNOW FOKOL ABOUT OUR CONDITIONS AT THE MINES PLS, JUST SHUT THE F@CK UP!!! Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
JnrJack
WE GONNA BIT THE F@CK UP underground which reported on duty while we where on strike....VIVA MSABALAZO, We' ZINTSIZWA PHAMBILI VIVA!!
Well if conditions are half as disgusting as that sewer of a mouth you have then it must be bad indeed. Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
JnrJack
---------------F@CK U ALL INCLUDING SOWETAN, LOGGING OFF....................................................
your in safety and production# JnrJack (RoofBolter) Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
JnrJack
@MommaC
it just unfortunate have to logg off, have a meeting at the mountain with my Leaders, have heard lot things that you have one Big @sshole on this block which needs miners to blast it, so that all that sh!t may come loose, becuase your too constipated my frend!! i need one on one with you just for min....remind me of this please.... Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
NoBlogger
At play here is the fight for the control of resources. With the mining sector having large numbers of unionised employees, the incumbent unions want to preserve their position while new ones want a share.
The unfortunate result is that the poor miners' issues get neglected as the union bosses fight over this juicy bone. The miners are caught up (are used) in the furtherance of this greed.
This picture, unfortunately is not different from our once loved political party and government's. A very state of affairs indeed.
I meant "A very disturbing state of affairs indded" Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
2nevvy4u
JnrJack
@2nevvy4u
eintlik go lwanelwa eng?
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morning, my boy we fighting for n.y.o ya mmao!! wtf do u wanna know about us fighting? minining is not for kids like you, IDIOT!!
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clap'*clap*clap* your mother taught you well Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
ONEE
i am worried and scared, violence seem to be erupting all over.
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Chichi7
It is sad that unions point fingers at one another instead of addressing the problem-----------------------------------------------------------------
it is even more sad when human beings start killing each other for a problem that can be resolved through amicable talks and negotiations.
Report Abuse
Eraser
this violence is gttin out of hand..the mine should shut down until they have come to an agreemntReport Abuse
Papage
Where is Vavi? he is suppose to be leading this guys to put down their weapons, his silent is not right at all.Report Abuse
1tsotsi
Only President Malema can solve this, remember earlier this year it took him 10min, to calm the tense situation... Send Julius to resolve the issue.Report Abuse
MOTHUBANNYO
The sad part about the whole thing is that BLACK is killing his ownReport Abuse
Lehido
i dont see how this members should fight for stupid things like this......Where are the union leaders in all this?Report Abuse
Tsar-Rasputin
I saw a clip of miner dwellers on the news yesterdays. Those guys are armed like Inkatha in the early 90's. What suprising the police did not even attempt to disarm them. Where are they getting those weapons.You could see fire in their eyes calling for a battle. This is beyong salary negotiations, is about the country's stability
Report Abuse
Noir19
Civilization is still miles away, when picture of a man`s penis brings the country to a halt but the death of 10 healthy humans is part of life .....Report Abuse
duwetse
JayV what are you on about? Your Tribalistic/Racist tendencies are proving to everyone that you are not a very bright person. You should be ashamed of yourself.Report Abuse
SetlaboswanaBoy07
Tribalism could be another problem...how can salary negotiations end like thisReport Abuse
sabza007
I blame NUM, that Siba Leshoka who is NUM president is arrogant and thuggish, same as Irvin Jim. POlice should have shot and killed more, than those 3 thugs that were killed. If they are unhappy about working conditions or salaries, why are they killing those who want to work?? Where is the freedom of speech and movement that is enshrined in the constitution.These people want to move from R5000.00 that they are currently earning to R12500.00 !!!! Thats crazy. Yes they deserve better salaries, but to jump more than 100% is just unreasonable.
Report Abuse
Hail
Our own brothers killing each other and nobody is organizing a march to stop it. Nobody is saying anything about it while those dead men are fathers and husbands of people. Our goverment Mxm!Report Abuse
MicaParis
There is a honest fact about Unions in our new democracy in which they have completely lost their relevant core mandate precisely in the Government sector. Labor Institutions which are having a constitutional mandate to protect the workers rights on section 23 (2) (a) and (b) had turned into a party and friendship political battles which hampers the well being of the proper functioning of Unions as employee representative. This is very sad as the poor workers are paying heavy monthly fees for the access to their rights which their representatives are busy fatally violating against their will for personal glory and success. The Parliament should promulgate a legislative demarcation that will separate the Government and Unions so that the Union can be clear from Government duress in favor of begging fat posts, for pure sole representation of their respective employees. There is no need for Cadres to fight for top positions in Unions in order to access keys to personal enrichment by selling the soul and flesh of poor workers who are being used as scapegoats for individual ''penny and gold'' so that the Unionist cadres can position themselves for top political posts for example, Comrade Thulas Nxesi (National Minister of Public Works) and all that jazz!Report Abuse
Dolls
y blacks are killing each other mara hee?Report Abuse
2nevvy4u
eintlik go lwanelwa eng?Report Abuse
Mfen'iyavova
@JayV are you a public servant who got paid yestersday&backpaid today.You must be not sober.Report Abuse
Voetzek
That serve them right how can you go to work when other people are striking? you want to be potrayed as hardworker?------- TzekReport Abuse
MommaC
These incidents indicate a deeply embedded problem. It is easy to manipulate disgruntled people under horrible working conditions and exploitative salaries turn men into animals as brother slays brother.??? what the hell does that have to do with the price of pork in Palestine ???
Poverty is NOT an excuse to burn people to death or take a panga to a policeman and a salary is negotiated by these very unions so don't now try and make this an 'ag shame poor miners' story. It is about unions acting like Al Capone.
Report Abuse
Chichi7
MOTHUBANNYOThe sad part about the whole thing is that BLACK is killing his own
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and then we will turn around and say that this is happening because of oppression.
Report Abuse
Phuphethakatha
I was shocked yesterday when a union (NUM) spokesman said " You do not negotiate when you're attacked in your own house". That's a mine property belonging to an Employer (LONMIN) and workers can choose a union of their choice without fear of being killed by members of a competitor. For instance, I am in ICT industry - a CWU member and when a splinter group formed another union at the work place (ITCU) we did not have a problem with rival members. As I speak CWU is fighting deregistration with Labour Department. All in all NUM and their competitor must take responsibility as workers are fighting each other and dying. The focus should be about improving workers' lives...Report Abuse
JnrJack
@2nevvy4ueintlik go lwanelwa eng?
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morning, my boy we fighting for n.y.o ya mmao!! wtf do u wanna know about us fighting? minining is not for kids like you, IDIOT!!
Report Abuse
JnrJack
@Dollsy blacks are killing each other mara hee?
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inside that stinky pantie you wearing from last weeks, stinks black...WE NOT BLACKS, JOU MUURSKONT: WE ARE AFRICANS!
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JnrJack
PPL SHUT ALL UR STINKY @SSES UP! U KNOW FOKOL ABOUT OUR CONDITIONS AT THE MINES PLS, JUST SHUT THE F@CK UP!!!Report Abuse
JnrJack
WE GONNA BIT THE F@CK UP underground which reported on duty while we where on strike....VIVA MSABALAZO, We' ZINTSIZWA PHAMBILI VIVA!!Report Abuse
MommaC
JnrJackWell if conditions are half as disgusting as that sewer of a mouth you have then it must be bad indeed.
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JnrJack
---------------F@CK U ALL INCLUDING SOWETAN, LOGGING OFF....................................................your in safety and production# JnrJack (RoofBolter)
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JnrJack
@MommaCit just unfortunate have to logg off, have a meeting at the mountain with my Leaders, have heard lot things that you have one Big @sshole on this block which needs miners to blast it, so that all that sh!t may come loose, becuase your too constipated my frend!! i need one on one with you just for min....remind me of this please....
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NoBlogger
At play here is the fight for the control of resources. With the mining sector having large numbers of unionised employees, the incumbent unions want to preserve their position while new ones want a share.The unfortunate result is that the poor miners' issues get neglected as the union bosses fight over this juicy bone. The miners are caught up (are used) in the furtherance of this greed.
This picture, unfortunately is not different from our once loved political party and government's. A very state of affairs indeed.
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NoBlogger
I meant "A very disturbing state of affairs indded"Report Abuse
2nevvy4u
JnrJack@2nevvy4u
eintlik go lwanelwa eng?
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morning, my boy we fighting for n.y.o ya mmao!! wtf do u wanna know about us fighting? minining is not for kids like you, IDIOT!!
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clap'*clap*clap* your mother taught you well
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ONEE
i am worried and scared, violence seem to be erupting all over.Report Abuse
MommaC
JnrJackWell I'm impressed that you are the king of constipation. Not so lots with your idle threats though.
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