Active citizenship.-----Protests, voting differently? Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
Lungu
Who is going to apply that plan? Our presidend hahahaaaaaa, i can only laugh about that!! Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
KazakstanDJ
@Tpaz, I like the idea of Active citizenry but I don't like the way we go about protesting. We do more harm than good.
We need to use our voting power to effect these changes we want, I have no confidence in the current leadership and will certainly not be voting for them in the next elections. Report Abuse
That is what has been happening mostly in the past few years. When it comes to putting stuff on paper I give our govt an 11 out of 10.
When it comes to executing and IMPLIMENTING (which is the most vital aspect of any plan) I'm sad to say they deserve a sorry 2 out of 10.
PLANS DO NOT PUT FOOD ON PEOPLE'S TABLES. ACTION DOES.
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May be I should form my own department where I would render services as implementing agent for these policies and plans..............since it is obvious that they are not skilled to do so. Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
Lungu
@KazakstanDJ true we must use our voting powers to end this madness or else we will go down in the drain. Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
Hail
@ CheeseBoy well said my brother! hey we are tired about their plan this plan that where is action? Let them name 1 plan that has been implemented and pass 100%? are they not learning from their mistakes? they always fail to even mention the how on thier plans. How is it going to benefit a citizen of a rural area kwa Lehurutshe in the NW or deep rural in Limpopo? Sorry they had 18 year to have done that now it is little too late. do we need to wait another 18 years for their plan to get off the ground? Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
Chichi7
Ok, we have heard about planning for years, I need to know when they will start implementing. Can this be done before my hair starts getting grey at the temples? Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
MicaParis
The plan is brilliant but will only succeed on clear simple pure issues! ANC will never lead this country anywhere until they accept in their heart and actions to start doing things by the book! We must please stop advocating wrong obvious things through the abuse of political powers. When are we going to start arresting too many Comrades who are deliberately and perpetually stealing from Government amid proof that they can be arrested! We need to hit and nail on this plan by hiring brilliant people to implement it but if we are going to hire illiterates again to manage it than we are doing nothing as we will never realize our goals through illiteracy! Corruption and nepotism must come to an end if the plan had to succeed. Cadre deployment route should be a no go area as comrades are lazy and arrogant as they do not want to be controlled and execute their duties.
We will never get this country anywhere Comrades if we join in politics for the sole reason of accessing tenders and top Government jobs so that we can sleep with all the women in the world in all their colours, sizes and shapes!! People will eventually get tired and vote us out of power and believe it getting that power back might take us 70 years! Report Abuse
this is where our govt has an oppotunity to make real change in people's lives by promoting and giving top priority to SMMEs. They are the key to any successful economy.
Our govt tends to allocate the ACTION part of their plans to boig business (using staged BEE creds) and their cronies who are already millionaries because of tenderpreneurship/corruption. Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
sabza007
Sowetan, it would have been nice if you had abstracted some critical lines from the report itself. This thing of active citizens,job creation and so on...its not new. We want to hear the different strategy this time. Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
sgubhusenkwishi
Strip off allowances from the Mps, they have chosen to save the nation not for selfenrichment, they dont need big flashy cars for work, an ordinary state car to take someone from point a to b is enough.They must use their salaries to buy their luxary cars like every civil servants, what makes them different anway to the rest of the nation? Reduce body guards to none, like everyone, we must all rely of state security(saps) so that if there is a problem a quick solution could be found for everyone not the selcted few. Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
thabiso992000
With a President who duck and hide when he sopposed to fire incompetent Ministers, i doubt, how many reshuffels has he made in his first term of office, during T-Man, they knew that he was the CEO of the company and they would never, this Mampara of President they cant see him. Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
thabiso992000
Let those who designed the plan execute it, led buy minister Trevor Manual as the President, please, let Shower man go and rest in Nkandla and his crew at Zumaville Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
knobkirrie
Simple Point Plan
1. Build 5 million houses a year
2. Arrest and lock up all involved in corruption
3. Disband the police and army and form a National Guard
4.Destroy all criminal fratenity
5. Let street committees run townships, surbubs and villages
6. Introduce a 3 day working week to create jobs
7. Get all 10 -16 yr olds into National Service
8. Get all 17 - 21 yr olds into apprenticeships
9.Free education for all/health care for all
10. All children from 0 to 10 to receive free school meals, care, and play and be in bed by 7.30 pm
Oh, I nearly forgot. Make me your next president, I promise to only have 3 wives and 3 mistresses Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
S'bo
Just the usual nonsense from Trevor and Co. No matter how brilliant the plan is, as long as it depends on the corrupt stupid idiots to implement it, it will FAIL. Report Abuse
Aug 16, 2012
Dzel
Fix the obvious things first, how are you going to improve our lives if you don't even show an appetite to fight corruption?
This document is another politiking tool ahead of Mangaung and thereafter there will be silence just as with NHI. I still don't know how they propose to fund that initiative next thing they will be forcing through impementation claiming consultative processes where held.
Experiance in reading ANC policy documents is they concentrate on the nice and fuzzy aspects and throw around numbers like the employment rate will be cut to x but they never go into the how, by whom, when and where is the money going to come from.
The plan is not itself rocket science. It is what has been lying in different policies, visions and strategies all along, just that now its pulled in, condensed and made comprehensive.
The issue is WHO or the COLLECTIVE that is capable of driving the plan's successful sustainable implementation. No one in the current leadership lot and that's a FACT.
In conclusion, everything is a zero sum game, i.e. everything will remain the same and therefore no need to have any high hopes. Report Abuse
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tpaz
Active citizenship.-----Protests, voting differently?Report Abuse
Lungu
Who is going to apply that plan? Our presidend hahahaaaaaa, i can only laugh about that!!Report Abuse
KazakstanDJ
@Tpaz, I like the idea of Active citizenry but I don't like the way we go about protesting. We do more harm than good.We need to use our voting power to effect these changes we want, I have no confidence in the current leadership and will certainly not be voting for them in the next elections.
Report Abuse
CheeseBoy
Planning talking, planning, talking, planning, talking, planning, talking, talking planning.That is what has been happening mostly in the past few years. When it comes to putting stuff on paper I give our govt an 11 out of 10.
When it comes to executing and IMPLIMENTING (which is the most vital aspect of any plan) I'm sad to say they deserve a sorry 2 out of 10.
PLANS DO NOT PUT FOOD ON PEOPLE'S TABLES. ACTION DOES.
Report Abuse
Mxaueht
Planning talking, planning, talking, planning, talking, planning, talking, talking planning.That is what has been happening mostly in the past few years. When it comes to putting stuff on paper I give our govt an 11 out of 10.
When it comes to executing and IMPLIMENTING (which is the most vital aspect of any plan) I'm sad to say they deserve a sorry 2 out of 10.
PLANS DO NOT PUT FOOD ON PEOPLE'S TABLES. ACTION DOES.
____________________________________________________________________________________
May be I should form my own department where I would render services as implementing agent for these policies and plans..............since it is obvious that they are not skilled to do so.
Report Abuse
Lungu
@KazakstanDJ true we must use our voting powers to end this madness or else we will go down in the drain.Report Abuse
Hail
@ CheeseBoy well said my brother! hey we are tired about their plan this plan that where is action? Let them name 1 plan that has been implemented and pass 100%? are they not learning from their mistakes? they always fail to even mention the how on thier plans. How is it going to benefit a citizen of a rural area kwa Lehurutshe in the NW or deep rural in Limpopo? Sorry they had 18 year to have done that now it is little too late. do we need to wait another 18 years for their plan to get off the ground?Report Abuse
Chichi7
Ok, we have heard about planning for years, I need to know when they will start implementing. Can this be done before my hair starts getting grey at the temples?Report Abuse
MicaParis
The plan is brilliant but will only succeed on clear simple pure issues! ANC will never lead this country anywhere until they accept in their heart and actions to start doing things by the book! We must please stop advocating wrong obvious things through the abuse of political powers. When are we going to start arresting too many Comrades who are deliberately and perpetually stealing from Government amid proof that they can be arrested! We need to hit and nail on this plan by hiring brilliant people to implement it but if we are going to hire illiterates again to manage it than we are doing nothing as we will never realize our goals through illiteracy! Corruption and nepotism must come to an end if the plan had to succeed. Cadre deployment route should be a no go area as comrades are lazy and arrogant as they do not want to be controlled and execute their duties.We will never get this country anywhere Comrades if we join in politics for the sole reason of accessing tenders and top Government jobs so that we can sleep with all the women in the world in all their colours, sizes and shapes!! People will eventually get tired and vote us out of power and believe it getting that power back might take us 70 years!
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Keafixa
cheeseboywell said
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CheeseBoy
@Chichi7@Mxaueht
this is where our govt has an oppotunity to make real change in people's lives by promoting and giving top priority to SMMEs. They are the key to any successful economy.
Our govt tends to allocate the ACTION part of their plans to boig business (using staged BEE creds) and their cronies who are already millionaries because of tenderpreneurship/corruption.
Report Abuse
sabza007
Sowetan, it would have been nice if you had abstracted some critical lines from the report itself. This thing of active citizens,job creation and so on...its not new. We want to hear the different strategy this time.Report Abuse
sgubhusenkwishi
Strip off allowances from the Mps, they have chosen to save the nation not for selfenrichment, they dont need big flashy cars for work, an ordinary state car to take someone from point a to b is enough.They must use their salaries to buy their luxary cars like every civil servants, what makes them different anway to the rest of the nation? Reduce body guards to none, like everyone, we must all rely of state security(saps) so that if there is a problem a quick solution could be found for everyone not the selcted few.Report Abuse
thabiso992000
With a President who duck and hide when he sopposed to fire incompetent Ministers, i doubt, how many reshuffels has he made in his first term of office, during T-Man, they knew that he was the CEO of the company and they would never, this Mampara of President they cant see him.Report Abuse
thabiso992000
Let those who designed the plan execute it, led buy minister Trevor Manual as the President, please, let Shower man go and rest in Nkandla and his crew at ZumavilleReport Abuse
knobkirrie
Simple Point Plan1. Build 5 million houses a year
2. Arrest and lock up all involved in corruption
3. Disband the police and army and form a National Guard
4.Destroy all criminal fratenity
5. Let street committees run townships, surbubs and villages
6. Introduce a 3 day working week to create jobs
7. Get all 10 -16 yr olds into National Service
8. Get all 17 - 21 yr olds into apprenticeships
9.Free education for all/health care for all
10. All children from 0 to 10 to receive free school meals, care, and play and be in bed by 7.30 pm
Report Abuse
knobkirrie
Oh, I nearly forgot. Make me your next president, I promise to only have 3 wives and 3 mistressesReport Abuse
S'bo
Just the usual nonsense from Trevor and Co. No matter how brilliant the plan is, as long as it depends on the corrupt stupid idiots to implement it, it will FAIL.Report Abuse
Dzel
Fix the obvious things first, how are you going to improve our lives if you don't even show an appetite to fight corruption?This document is another politiking tool ahead of Mangaung and thereafter there will be silence just as with NHI. I still don't know how they propose to fund that initiative next thing they will be forcing through impementation claiming consultative processes where held.
Experiance in reading ANC policy documents is they concentrate on the nice and fuzzy aspects and throw around numbers like the employment rate will be cut to x but they never go into the how, by whom, when and where is the money going to come from.
Report Abuse
TheTrueWord
The plan is not itself rocket science. It is what has been lying in different policies, visions and strategies all along, just that now its pulled in, condensed and made comprehensive.The issue is WHO or the COLLECTIVE that is capable of driving the plan's successful sustainable implementation. No one in the current leadership lot and that's a FACT.
In conclusion, everything is a zero sum game, i.e. everything will remain the same and therefore no need to have any high hopes.
Report Abuse
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