maneater

i am not shocked at the number, i am shocked that we are still at 42. because with babies as young as those in the picture going out in this cold? we are indeed very lucky it is still 42.
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januswanus

Do it as a cultural practice at age 18 upwards than a business enterprising for profit at age of 6. Taking a 9yeat old there is abuse.
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RobinH

WTF? It was never as bad as this, surely. What is this. And here we thought all sorts of regulatory initiatives had been put in place.
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Mellow

A society where manhood is ascribed only to individuals who have gone to initiation school is one that does not value men as whole beings with other aspects to their humanity.
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So true, I'll never understand how going through torture turns one into a real man. Its child abuse and everyone must come together and put a stop to this its unlawful and cruel. They only make noise when there are couple of safe returns but they keep mum whn innocent kids die sis disgusting culture or no culture no amount of torture will ever turn one into a real man. This is enough to fck up any childs mind for a lifetime and turning them into monsters
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Headlesschick

matsatsi a gona go bolla tshelete-are you sure that those todlers are in the initiation school?surely they have brought their nestum and diapers/pampers le baby oil;you are rite Maneater we are very lucky.
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idiothater2

The problem is everyone thinks they can do the Circumcision,Look at where deaths are taking place(Eastern cape & free state). In the limpopo & Mpumalanga there are families who have done (and are known to do ) circumcision for Decates. In the free state & eastern cape, someone just wakes up and think they can get beer money by opening an Initiation school, that is why they are killing people.
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KeRataBasadi

Only a sick disgusting society would allow this type of foolishness then call it culture, these schools have been going Madikizela on young boys for a while and nothing is said or done. nc nc nc
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Mzabalazo

In all fairness why can't mordening such outdated practice if we cannot get rid of. Why do we have to take an African person's life so cheap. there are so many practices that are threatening the people 's rights that we have done away with. I.t should against the law to force /take person under the age of 18 to such torture , this should classified under child abuse. Let people choose or not choose to be taken to such places that have not added any value to our lives.
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Mopedi_Thwiii

The uncircumcised must shut up.... I don't expect a virgin to tell me about sex

But Eastern Cape is doing every thing wrong.... How many died in Limpopo? Zero,
Why?
Because we know how to do it right......

My child will go when he is older than the kids I see on the pic..... This kids are not men, they are let down by the parents who put them through this at an early age...... STUPID PARENTS
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Sunshine_

I Feel bad for this boys, luk at the last one in the que, u can count the ribs :-(

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Mopedi_Thwii,

Maybe you must shut up before you comment and go and get the facts, do yourself a favour, go google,
"limpopo boys die in initiation school"

This is a sick ancient practice and must stop, people dying of idiotic stunts is not necessary. We will see how you feel when your kid dies in one of these barbaric schools.
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idiothater2

@Mopedi_Thwiii,My child will go when he is older than the kids I see on the pic

Mopedi, the problem is not the age, but people who are doing the circumcision. Limpopo & Mpumalanga have the youngest initiates, but they still don't die.xhosa's and Sotho's go to the schools when they are above 18 years, but they still die.

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DJWinner

I still maintain my point that people must go and do this thing in hospital. I mean, in hospital, there is doctors, medication and everything. How exactly does it makes you a man to cut in a bush as compared to cutting in hospital?

I understand it's culture, but how about relocating the culture to hospital?
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DJWinner
I still maintain my point that people must go and do this thing in hospital. I mean, in hospital, there is doctors, medication and everything. How exactly does it makes you a man to cut in a bush as compared to cutting in hospital?

I understand it's culture, but how about relocating the culture to hospital?
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Something we can agree on.
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RobinH

DJWinner. WE ARE AGREED ON THIS. I find it incomprehensible that in this day and age we so devotedly cling to aspects of culture that have clearly gone bad. Like so many other things, this "cultural" phenomenon has become a cash cow for unscrupulous "elders". Shocking.
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ntwempe

People from Eastern Cape and Limpopo must get life it 21st century now you must live present and think future not live past and think present. What wrong with you I was thought all intellectuals are from Eastern Cape and Limpopo now I doubt. No wonder why these two province going down.
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MommaC

This is no longer 'culture' this is a money making racket.
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Mopedi_Thwiii

@ Solush!t
Don't tell me to google, spending the whole day on the Net is part of my job.... So if you have the fact tell me how many in Limpopo and Mpumalanga combined?

Are you circumcised? If not....shut up coward.
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Nastradamas

But people, who still sends their children to the mountains in 2012 ?
Get real the custom is long killed by the crooked and greedy.

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Gusheshe

The problem with the initiation schools nowadays is that they are commercialised and no longer serving the purpose its suppose to serve which is to circumcise boys and teach them some manners and respect not manhood as its proclaimed. In Limpopo in a certain area there were 754 initiates who all came back alive and healthy the reason being the owner of the school did it for more than twenty years and he doesnt take any chances, his school is governed by laws. There were no under 12 year old boys there, twice a week doctors were going there to check the initiates and no boy was circumsised without his parents s concerned if the boy went there without the parents approval. Eastern cape fly by night initiayion schools and those in other provincesmust be shut down completely and owners be prosecuted
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skhznCPT

Everytime I read a sowetan article on initiation, I cant help but pick up the lazy/cheap journalism that continues to feed people with false information everyday. I really feel sorry for da mamas and papas that buy the hard copy everyday that money could be better spent than on this rubbish..coz clearly from that picture any1 who has done their research would know those boys in tht pic r nowhere near the EC…what is displayed in that pic is not & has never been any part of Xhosa initiation culture…that’s definitely Pedi or Vhenda I bet my bottom doller.
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@Mopedi_Thwiii : wena u knw nothing coz a man will never say he’s circumcised only women and boys use that word if u were Xhosa besizakuhlamba esidodeni kwerini(we would wash u off..ud have no right to call urself a man using such words)

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Xinyelababeni

I am sure the person who wrote this article is white. The schools have been operating for years without any problem. hands off our culture please. If you didnt go there its impossible for you to understand what is happening there. Stop talking things you dont even know. This is my culture and I am proud of it.
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Mopedi_Thwiii

Lol, idiocy at its bet, well I remember just the other day the other day on the news there was 4 kids who died, Instead of spending time on the internet the whole day you must maybe work a bit as well, or are you a cadre deployment. Even if 1 kid died in the whole of SA it is to much you idiot. You also said 0 died, don't come here with your zimpopo tendencies, that is why your province is in the crapper.
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Xinyelababeni

So it is ok if your culture kills children?
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Mopedi_Thwiii

@MommaC
This is no longer 'culture' this is a money making racket
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Hey sister, how was your lunch with Zizo Beda? Tell me about it and don't talk about something you have never experienced.
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Mhungumbye

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Mopedi_Thwii,

Maybe you must shut up before you comment and go and get the facts, do yourself a favour, go google,
"limpopo boys die in initiation school"

This is a sick ancient practice and must stop, people dying of idiotic stunts is not necessary. We will see how you feel when your kid dies in one of these barbaric schools.
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Le wena u you must also shut your stinky mouth and tell him why he has to google whereas sowetan should have reported it in the same way they reported all the success initiations in Limpopo. Don't drag us in this cause Limpopo and Mpumalanga initiations schools are hospitals on its own.
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WEREWOLF

ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT SOUTH AFRICA IS A KILLING FIELDS NO ONE CARES, SOME ARE KILLING THEY BROTHERS OVER R200.00 WHICH YOU CAN REPLACE AT ANY GIVEN TIME NOW YOU REGRET THAT YOU CANT REPLACE YOUR BROTHER'S LIFE IS GONE FOR GOOD. JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE INNOCENT LITTLE ONES THEY PARENTS I CANT FEEL FOR THEM CAUSE THEY HAVE NO HEARTS FOR THEM, THEY KNOW AND VERY MUCH AWARE THAT CHILDREN ARE DYING THERE BUT THEY KEEP ON SENDING THEM WHICH I CAN SAY THEY DONT FCUKING CARE IF THE CHILD DIES OR NOT IT IS DOES MATTER, IT REALLY PAINS I WISH THESE PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND AND STOP THIS STUPID CULTURE OF THEIRS, PLEASE DO THE PROPER ONE OR TAKE YOUR CHILD TO THE HOSPITAL FINE. KINDS RUN FOR YOUR LIVES.

I'M REALLY SAD.
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skhznCPT

@SOLUTIONS: lol @ Cadre deplotment and zimpompo tendecies..
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Mhungumbye
Limpopo and Mpumalanga initiations schools are hospitals on its own.

Then why do the kids die there? EISH, maybe because they are not.
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Xinyelababeni

@ Solution

There is nothing to say to you because o shiburi man. like I said its impossible for you to understand if you didnt go there
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sh!tFaceSamsung

if dis is wat te cal it a customery rituals *askies am sorry* is outdated .... should hav ban it long time ago : we hav a plenty of professinal doctors & hospitals that may perform circumcision without any harm to their peniiis
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Ann

ke bana ba bo mang bona ba?
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Xinyelababeni
There is nothing to say to you because o shiburi man. like I said its impossible for you to understand if you didnt go there
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What I understand is that people are dying, this is enough to stop this cave man idiocy.
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Mopedi_Thwiii

Who poked you with a stick?
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MommaC
Mopedi_Thwiii

Who poked you with a stick?
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I have tears in my eyes. LMFAO
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MGEEZ

@Sowetan
Why are you spreading propaganda like this??? Where in the Eastern cape have you seen children of this age going to circumcision schools? This picture as a matter of fact looks similar to the picture that you publicized few weeks ago with a story from Limpopo wherein you claimed that 900+ boys came back from the school and there were no deaths. There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism of this tradition or any other for that matter; however you do not have to fabricate stories to get your point across at all. My cousin just came back from the school in the EC last weekend and the boy was 30yrs old; please tell us the truth where do you get these pictures from and stop lying to us!!!! Why should we even trust yours stats when you come up with fabrications like this????
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sh!tFaceSamsung

useless culture nxa
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Mopedi_Thwiii

@MommaC
Mopedi_Thwiii

Who poked you with a stick?
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Sorry Momma, is not you? It just pisses me off when people like SoluSh!t talk cr@p about something they never went through...

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Ta-Kiv

? a 18 year old boy would have a larger thrash hold for pain then a 13 year old boy, so in the EC we dont get circumsiced at 13 meaning that the Pedi or Venda use modern medication than they get on a high horse and tune we should do it thier way, dont think so. Ill pay any 13 year old $10 000 if they can get circumcised in Grahamstown, King Williams Town, Queenstown and Umthatha because i sh!t you not but you wouldnt survive.....
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Mellow

@Mopedi_Thwiii and Mhungumbye
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Are you the products of this demeaning circum torture hell? My goodness if this is what they are referring to bout the so called REAL MEN then dalrings you are screwed literally so. I rest my case no good can come out of this only bitter old fools
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Mopedi_Thwiii

@SOLUTIONS
Mopedi_Thwiii

Lol, idiocy at its bet, well I remember just the other day the other day on the news there was 4 kids who died, Instead of spending time on the internet the whole day you must maybe work a bit as well, or are you a cadre deployment. Even if 1 kid died in the whole of SA it is to much you idiot. You also said 0 died, don't come here with your zimpopo tendencies, that is why your province is in the crapper.
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Hey genius, tell me how can one avoid death.....Bcos people die everyday on the road, will you stop driving your car or boarding a taxi? I have to lose (5 * your age) IQ points to be classified as id!ot. Your reasoning capacity leaves me with a bitter aftertaste....@ssh*le
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9janavy

I am sorry but i don't feel any pity for the parents.I only feel for these poor kids who were unfortunate to have the most id!otic parents on the planet.How many white,Indian or colored kids do you hear of dying from circumcision every year in SA? NONE!

Why? because they do it at the hospital,i have never really understood this du.mb culture of taking kids to the mountain to be sliced in an unhygienic environment by unqualified people.Why not take them to the mountain for training then after the training is complete take them to the hospital to be circumcised by a health professional.

It is just so sad when you see people who are stubborn and refuse to take correction.It is like they have been engineered from birth to be acutely stup!d.2013 will come and more kids will die ,still they won't change their ways.I seriously feel like punching someone right now!
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Mopedi_Thwiii

Hey genius, tell me how can one avoid death. ---- For one, don't go to cave men initiation camps, that's a good start and genius don't you think!


Talk about reasoning capacity, trying to compare a drive in a car with an cave man camp. You don't have to get into a vehicle to "become a man" as your ancient culture describes it.

As you don't have to go to a initiation camp to become a man, people dying in vehicle accidents is not small kids going to cave man camps being murdered by elders.


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eKapa-

9janavy

du.mb culture
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those words show's No respect of other ppl, espcialy you are an African.

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iRhumsha

This is sick. #speechless
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Mopedi_Thwiii

This SoluSh!t, is an uncircumcised f@ggot

Are you a man chief? Ok, I guess you have a d!ck
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Mopedi_Thwiii
This SoluSh!t, is an uncircumcised f@ggot

Are you a man chief? Ok, I guess you have a d!ck
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HAHAHAHAHA, is this your best comeback, lolololol, did they cut your brain out at the cave as well?
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cutedogg

I never liked de idea of parents taking their children to initiation school, but who am I to stop them. In short it serves the parents right for loosing their kids coz if you are against their decision for taking the kids to initiation school they will eat you alive. As long as my brothers and childern wont go I am happy.
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9janavy

@eKapa....I mean no disrespect to any culture especially African but for flip sake 42 kids DEAD! Common on,this are human beings not cows! Something needs to be done and someone or some people need to go to jail for this.This is not initiation ,this is murder.Those kids had a bright future ahead of them but now their lights have been dimmed.I won't lie i am very angry that in a country like south Africa that has one of the best health infrastructures in the world ,this kind of thing still happens.

If a cultural practice causes the death of children every year then i am sorry brother something is wrong with that culture.God forbid but if one of those dear souls was one of your kids how would you feel.Just take a look at the picture of those innocent little boys being sent to the slaughter chamber just to satisfy a cultural practice,it is a no brainer bro ,the truth is truth.
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lindsay

@ Mbuyiselo Botha and Nomonde Nyembe

we keep that culture the same way we keep feed the Zulu polygamist culture hambanofa
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Mopedi_Thwiii

SoluSh!t, Good day...... I read all your responses, you just hit around the bush..... and you never went to the mountain, even your forefathers never went.....

You mean people die only in the circumcision schools, I give up?

Good day to you and your 4skin.......
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Mhungumbye

@Mellow

Yes I am but I have not been tortured & if you are refering to the boys on the PIC cause of their red lubrications that they have applied in their body. that is not a torture my man. e.g if you are Christian like me, you wear a white T-shirt with a short trouser for uniformity. Take your child there if u have any & be rest assured that your child will not only came back alive but with a smile on his face as an indication of being not tortured.


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little

@ All Circumcised, lets sing

Mašoboro one side, thaka tša lena ditlile ...........eya eya hooo ... hooo ...
Thaka tša lena ditlile

Sekutu phantšha boladu, thaka tšalena ditlile, ..... eya eya hoooo hooo ....
Thaka tša lena ditlile .........

condolence to the famillies who lost their loved ones on the schools, a moya wa mašole a o robale ka khutšo.

@Mopedi_Thwiii

Selepe gomela Mogolle, Maru a tletše mo Blogong

Mašoboro a arefahla man!!!
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lindsay

keep feeding error or rather get circumsized
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The_Only_1

These are 'raw' kids who look like 8 and 9 years old are going for initiation for what exactly? This is pure madness especially from parent's side. The Government of the Republic can now do these things at public clinis for absolutely free. So why do the parents tautcher their own flesh and blood because these kids' "kick and bhoboza" are not even fully developed.
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Mopedi_Thwiii

@little

Le le botse a le fetolwe
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khotsiarendi

shame
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MommaC

9janavy

A lot of those kids are there without their parents' permission. The 'new culture' seems to allow some idiot to abduct a child, take them to the mountains and then demand payment before letting them go again.

The culture itself is not wrong. The problem is that those who are in charge of keeping the culture pure are not doing so. We pay eye-watering amounts of taxpayers money to various 'tribal leaders', 'tribal councils', 'traditional leaders', 'traditional leader councils' and even have a government department for this. Not a single one of them do their bloody jobs.

Pre puberty, it is AGAINST culture to go to the mountains. That is why I said that this is no longer 'culture' it is simply a money making racket
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1937

Don't worry boys. Orlando Pirates is going to win the MTN 8 and donate the prize money to your families. Thereafter they'll concerntrate on winning another treble, to honour the newly elected ANC president at Mangaung.
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2nevvy4u

the boy in the middle ke Cl!ck and the last one ke Spekepeke
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Phuphethakatha

@idiothater2
The problem is everyone thinks they can do the Circumcision,Look at where deaths are taking place(Eastern cape & free state). In the limpopo & Mpumalanga there are families who have done (and are known to do ) circumcision for Decates. In the free state & eastern cape, someone just wakes up and think they can get beer money by opening an Initiation school, that is why they are killing people.
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Yes you're right and it's painful. In my area in Mthatha the same ingcibi(circumcision expert) who cirmcised my elder brothers and my old uncles also circimcised me. As a young boy about to reach manhood (around 17 years) you tell your parents you're ready and amadoda (men) will have a gathering to decide when, who will carry out the process and who is going to be ikhankatha (caretaker) to look after the boys while away. That's how it works and there are no fly by night initiation schools that way. T
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Mamnune

We do not need Dr Gary Barker to tell us about our cultures and beliefs. I agree that many young men have lost their lives i. EC. I am also from EC and I have been following this with curiosity because I take pride in my culture. My father, brothers, uncles and my friend have been to initiation school and came back alive. Initially AmaMpondo did not practise this before and now their boys want to because of the pressure that they get from their peers. The are loads of people in the EC who come back alive from the mountain and my son one day will go and come back alive. I am tired bias reporting, we only read about only the bad. They should also report the success stories and the good about our cultures. There are measures in place from the EC government to deal with the situation but we do not hear about that.
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Mhungumbye

@1937
@2nevvy4u

Kwaaaaaaa no guys la fentsa maan, phela Shakashaka will be agry with us for disclosing his troops's names as he is the one leading them upfront.
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HelpGiver

This non sense should be banned

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sh!tFaceSamsung

Mamnune
We do not need Dr Gary Barker to tell us about our cultures and beliefs
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i mean realy.. think twice my brother : 2 live like wild animals is culture
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DarkKnight

Initiation remains of the most painful "self inflicted” torture anyone can ever go through. Had I known what they were doing there, I dont think I would hv gone, I would hv most probably gone to Jozi or KZN lol. Nothing can ever prepare you for that. U are made to believe you have a choice, in terms of doing it or not, bt in actual fact you dont. Society dictates that you should do it, to fit in and be a proper man. With all that said it has shaped my life for the better. When you are a "man" you are expected to act in a certain way, respect yourself, parents and society, never act in a manner that will shame your family. I think I have done well in this regard. The single significant thing abt initiation is that it taught me there are days and times in life where u just cant see the light at the end of the tunnel, you learn that with perseverance, dedication and the will to never give up all is possible, Same as initiation there are days when you would look at your manhood, and you would think, this thing can never work again, it will nevrr heal. Gradually in time it gets better the pain slowly fades away, u can get it up lo. I have a problem with articles like this, they shoot down Initiation and yet they dont offer any solutions. There is nothing wrong with the tradition of initiation its still the same that was done many decades ago, something gets chopped and in time it should heal. The people who are practising the tradition are messing it up, not taking into consideration the impact of HIV, circumcision of kids, inexperience of the doctors who are supposed to take care of the initiates, rough treatment of the initiates, unqualified surgeons etc. The solution is not to get rid of the tradition instead what could work is for the goverment to have registered school and registered surgeons, doctors etc. Where would b initiates can walk in hv everything done, till they have healed. After that they go home, All of this must happen in the mountains of coz not some stupid hospital.
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Danielrjvvuren

Guys help me out here, I am all for tradition and cultural norms, but what happens on these trips that is so fatal? What age does these boys go out and do what ever it is they do? What can be done to keep the tradition, but ensure the safety of these boys? I understand back in the day the survival of the fittest and becoming a man and all, but can we not do this and still keep them alive?
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DA-DBN-GUY

What kind of culture sends their young off to experience such an outdated and barbaric custom? Being cicumcised does not a man make. A man is defined by his actions and how he treats and supports his family not being forced into a 3 week ritual bcos he is of a certain age.
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sh!tFaceSamsung

Mopedi_Thwiii
The uncircumcised must shut up....
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wena o lepedi la mpara twii
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VENDALIOUS

little red monsters
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SHEMAN

What it means to being a man:
1. A sense of Loyalty
2. Intellect
3. A sense of trust
4. Honesty
5. Respect
6. A Great father and husband who takes care of his family and wife

What more do we have to add ?:

1. Lust ?
2. Arrogance?
3. Pride?
4. Aggression ?
5. Desire for sinful pleasures?

As a woman,i do not have more facts than these,you be the JUDGE ...
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Danielrjvvuren

And why all the hype about circumcision? It's just skin guys...
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owzi

For real this is bad. People are doing this for money and theze are the children they cannot hadle the situation. I am from Eastern Cape and I was 22 years old when I did. So this is differ from place to place because where I am from you have to be 18 years and above.
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DA-DBN-GUY
I actually think the ideology of it all or symbolism of leaving your childhood behind is actually very pivotal in their culture and a nice sentiment, there must be a way to still be able to do this and survive? I can not claim it to be stupid because that will be ignorant of me. They probably think the white tradition of getting a key on your 21st is stupid, but it is culture that defines our great nation and these traditions that make us so diverse we just need to make it safe for all.
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Chichi7

What manhood are they trying to teach these toddlers?
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tpaz

What is that red paint made of?

Can females be circumcised too - for womanhood?
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MohumagatjanaM

Dear Minister of Health,
CC:President of SA

I have been following news on innitiation school for years now.My view as ordinary citizen is that Eastern Cape and Free State ba tsea dichance on this issue and we are talking life of innocent people here.

And my general VIEW is that there is absolutely nothing you or anybody can DO to change My people(BLACKS) s mindset on turning against their(our) culture no matter how intelligent we think we are,its will take decates to get rid of it permanently.

Me as a woman i do not care where you have circumsised your machine,BUT IT IS A REQUIREMENT,KEPISANA yena A ka se e bone KUKu yaka "BIG NO"

This is my HUMBLE request:
Next year Government MUST not give permission to EASTERN CAPE and FREE STATE.

ONLY LIMPOPO and MPUMALANGA must be given rights.
if anybody want it traditional they must kindly go there..

Ke a leboga.
Wa lena
MohumagatjanaM
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sh!tFaceSamsung

it could hav been better if te boys spend holiday time teaching them abt values of life such as how to behave, respect, how to be a great father , u know life skills in general
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Blackthought

@Mopedi_Thwiii

Psss! How dismissive....It is what it is! Your uncle probably makes a living out of this. But I still believe people must make their own choices. These days most parents know what is at stake when they let these young men go to such slaughter camps. In fact, young men even volunteer without their parents' consent. So who are we to judge?
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Lehoes

I promote the notion of going thabeng big time but i think these are just little kids who need to be in classrooms learning. You only become a man when you finished your matric, completed your studies and then taken to initiation. Yha before it was done in a proper way but today it is the same as this poeple who when they think they know the bible tend to open their own churches.
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DarkKnight

The red paint could be frm a stone, I do knw the white one is from a stone. But these days you can buy it from most shops. I comes in a powder form.
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sh!tFaceSamsung

Ann
ke bana ba bo mang bona ba?
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kikikikikiki one onte ryt site ke wa Jnrjack
o a lego mo center ke wa KUKUu
am not realy sure abt te other one but i suspect gore ke wa nevus
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sh!tFaceSamsung

[ red paint ] it's an oxide, combined with grilled foreskinn, ntsu & other muti : very sad indeed bcos tey apply stupiid thing to te little one
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tpaz
Can females be circumcised too - for womanhood?

In the case of "women" circumcision...most refer to it as mutilation.

Removing the clitoris is far from a norm - that's basically cutting and removing a women's womanhood!

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Danielrjvvuren

sh!tFaceSamsung
Your telling me those boys are coated in other boys foreskins? No really now? Your not joking hey? Nee sies.
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sh!tFaceSamsung

Danielrjvvuren
yep : they grill te foreskins then after dat let it dry 2 to 3 days to make it fine(powder) : on te last day of initiation school they take oxide plus other mutii mixit together and appy it on thier body
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Mopedi_Thwiii
SoluSh!t, Good day...... I read all your responses, you just hit around the bush..... and you never went to the mountain, even your forefathers never went.....
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lol, why does one want to go to the mountain? to become a man, lololol, are you also 30+ and still call yourself a youth??

You mean people die only in the circumcision schools, I give up? Please enlighten me where I said that, Something tells me your cave men made you delusional, go for a scan.

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Danielrjvvuren

Ok I'm doing some research and my god no wonder white men are not considered men! Doesn't it hurt to get the chop with no Anesthetic ? More respect to you guys man... Just pull and chop?
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mesip

Yep, Black Africans will continue to perish economically & socially all in the name of culture. Life Black people was never meant to be static, without responsible adaptation stagnation & death in one form or another is guaranteed. Continue justifying everything in the name of culture & you can be rest assured that we will remain laggards to all the nations of the world. Innovation is the ultimate weapon for survival: be it in business, health or social sphere. By the way I'm Black to dispel any suspicions.
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Snookums

Iyhoooo shame, I wonder which part of the Eastern Cape does this to young kids. I know that they go at around 17 or 18 yrs in most places that I know even at my home. These are still bambinos shame
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Impela

People think there is a campaign against getting males circumcised. There is not. There is a campaign against children being killed in the carrying out of a ritual/custom etc.

If 42 children die in a year in pursuit of anything we should be charged withirresponsibility. All. The NGO's that rush to courts because of a Malema song, farm murders, books thrown into the river, HRV's not supplied, should by now be banging the doors to Mogoeng Mogoeng's court over the violation of a right to life of these children. That is all the bitch is about. Stop culling our children.

No one is opposed to your custom/ritual


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DJWinner

tpaz
What is that red paint made of?

Can females be circumcised too - for womanhood?
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Soil called ibovu. Some of the women in KZN use this thing on their faces as a sun block cream.

Women can be circumcised. Actually, they do it in other countries, the cutting of a clit.
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langman

Something went wrong along the inniciation is a trdition that existed for centuaries and we never had so many young men dying
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Ihobelimdaka

hhayini madoda akwaXhosa sithetha njani neziqwati ngosuthu, let us refrain from entertaining amakhwenkwe amadala that are talking about something they don't know and never expirienced it.

I know its demeaning and sometimes it pushes us to the edge to respond but i'm appealling to you uba sirqoxe kwintetho phikiswano namakhwenkwe
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19Doubleiets

im realliy glad to be living with elders who know and understand the life threatning dangers of such initiations, because now in some cultures it seems like the elders there are still vividily naive and mindlocked in understanding the great danger these initiations are...
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Hugh7

All you people who think only the circumcised are "real men". Do you realise that most men in the world are not circumcised? Is Daniel Craig not a real man? Or the vast majority of the sportsmen at the Olympics from Europe, Scandinavia, China, South and Central America? Or all of the top football teams? Are they all just "boys" for you to despise?
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xtc333

Sacrificing children for culture and tradition, Parents need to take responsibility and select the initiation schools very carefully.
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WarrenG

This is bullsh!t and outdated. This should be illegal. We've moved on from 1878...scrap this cultural murder!!!
Poor lads and their parents.
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