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“Expelling Malema from the ANC is a lame attempt to neutralise him. He is just going to be even louder outside the party. It’s a small victory for Zuma but a man like Malema does not shut up. Zuma has unleashed a demon,” said an ANC official who did not want to be named.
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Viva a demon Viva!!!!!!!!!!!!

Malema, expelled or not, his ideas are stuck with the majority of the youth and that's where Zuma is making a mistake. Majority of EC where ANC has 60% of the members support the leadership change and today it has been reported that ANC in one of the regions in KZN has lost membership.

Zuma is soon to be in K@Kstreet..........
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tsayaya

comedy should come to an end and the real picture begin, you can't watch Mr Bean forever,
we want real change now, not this majaivane circus!

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MommaC

"... in a race dominated by factional politics instead of policy reforms..."

Our problems in a nutshell.
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe

There's no second term for him here.
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CheeseBoy

Our so called democrasy is an illusion. the future of our beautiful country rests in the hands of a few thousand delegates. the past few years have been painful enough with the libido crazed polygamist at the helm. and now we stand to have another 4 painful years with the same fool at the helm. its time we learnt from this and pushed for the country's president to be chosen by the people of Mzansi, rgardless of party affiliation. then if there is a party who wants an idiot for a leader it would be their problem.
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blakbobo

heaven help us...
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Papage

We will remove him, if the ANC puts him there, this time we will revlot big time and no one will stop us.
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cornelius

Even a week is a long time in politics. Too many people want to see JZ go, albeit for different reasons, he will not serve a second term.
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KennyS

W
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The-Rothschilds

I honestly believe that the ANC is going to get a huge wake up call when the election results indicate that the ANC's support base has dropped below 60%
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Xovizwe

@Govender,

Where did you get your statistics about Cosatu affiliates being involved in factions? It a pity that journalist like you sleep and think after their intercourse whatever comes to their minds and come and write bull here!

I believe that these are the results of reading too much of Mahele's analyses.
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RobinH

Jakes my man, what you are forg etting is that ev en the gras sroots comm unities are star ving. And who do you think makes up the vast nu mbers of viol ently ang ry citizens quite rightly incen sed at the lack of del ivery and com plete couldn't-care-less attitude exhi bited by your cot erie of gadflies.
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RobinH

One doe sn't need a TV to know that one's chil dren are try ing to get an edu cation under a tree in the bush because some croo ked po litician stole the mo ney earm arked for repairs. And even the poorest of the poor must by now see that those childr en have not been issued scho olbooks, that feedi ng sch emes have been ble d dry by your tend er-buddies, and that the dirt road leading to the vill age is still a ru tted dirt track. Pe ople may be unso ph isticated, but they aren't bl ind, de af and du mb. Except of course for our classic cases on this site.
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RobinH

Xovizwe: At least they think at all.
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1tsotsi

@Peroshni Govender

Keep giving this thing called jacob a false hope that he will make it in mangaung, also i here that jacob is a diabitic, his sugar level will be high in mangaung........ VIVA DEMON VIVA!!!!
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truthhurt

Anti Zuma Campaigns will be held at President Malema house, you are all welcome.

the theme is " Turn off the shower"
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RobinH

truthhurt: Ja sure. Like choosing between the devil and the hard place.
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cornelius

@ Truthhurt. With you on removing JZ but I am worried about an even bigger lack of education and civilised manners and even more dictatorial tendencies in the one who you want to replace him with
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Xovizwe

RobinH
People must understand that it is not Zuma who create policies but it is an inclusive effort from various deployed cadres, some even comes from other political parties. Some people in the ANC and government are economist and they are part of policy formulation.

We can put Manuel or Pravin in to Presidential seat, but that cannot influence policy making. I think these so called political analysts are barking to the wrong tree with their hidden agendas.
Can anyone give us different view in SAs economic policies? Even DA have never challenged ANC economic policies, ofcourse they do need an upgrade of some sort, but blaming solely Zuma about SAs economic policies is a stupid argument.
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P-Bone

We made a horrendous mistake... why did we vote for this one again, ohhh it was because the other one was a dictator and there was no one realy standing up... We are such a joke.. I mean Zuma of all people?? he coould've just been minister of traditional affairs. These people are realy taking us for a ride.
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RobinH

Xovizwe: You will note that I rarely criticise the ANC for it's policies, but rather for the unscrupulous behaviour of many cadres. I have no problem with the economic policy. I do, however, have serious problems with the fact that the party is now trying to alter a negotiated constitution generally considered to be one of the best in the world, in such a way that they will be able to change policy at will, with no recourse available to the people. And if the "secrecy bill" ever happens, even without oversight into it happening. It is important to be precise when challenging. And another thing: the current bunch at the helm were not even around when ANC policy was established. They inherited it from fine men with national pride and conscience, two things entirely lacking in the upper chelons of the ANC as it exists now. If Luthuli saw the lot making hay with South Africa at the moment, he would be violently ill.
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Sinudeity

I can guarantee you, jacob will run for a second term. The average ANC member, the branches will have no power when it comes to manguang. Same thing will happen, like it did at polokwane. Those officials supposed to be speaking for the branches will be bribed, and money will talk.
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truthhurt

cornelius
@ Truthhurt. With you on removing JZ but I am worried about an even bigger lack of education and civilised manners and even more dictatorial tendencies in the one who you want to replace him with
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We are going with Kgalema. President Malema will be reinstated to his position as the YL's President, JZ and Mantashe must go, they are the modern oppressors, clowns like Jimmy should also be removed from office.
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Xovizwe

RobinH

Removal of Zuma as the head of State will have little or no influence at all to the sicknesses of our Government. I do however believe that we need more firm individual will stronger foundation than Zuma, but in ANC you will never take any decision without consultation. Whatever Zuma says on behalf of the country comes from advisors mandated to advice him on that particular subject.

Blaming Zuma about his education hold no water. We all knows that apartheid regime refused number of people a chance of decent education. Only well-resourced people like Mbeki did get the opportunity. Most of our comrades who could not afford to go overseas during those years ended up in the jungles of the subcontinent as guerrillas. How many presidents in the African continents are well educated?
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MsKinkyakaKamaSutra

The race will be fought at the local level with little attention paid to warnings from all three of the major global credit ratings agencies who have said the economy is on the wrong track under Zuma, posing long-term risks to stability.
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Treasury is blaming GP drivers for not wanting to pay e-tolls
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Dandan

1tsotsi


if you dont believe you have been defeated you are like Saddam who did nt want to believe his soldiers were defeated. How are you going to mangaung when your province is divided get united first like here in kzn , we are ready for the day , even if its tomorrow, and there will be no rigging of results like you did last yr , you try it bustards
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somaartakeit

hayi ke shem if the ppl at grassroots want a president that can only dance sing and shag then who are we to deny them that? reality will set it when after this song and dance there is no employment for them, but mina I am done with this ppl get the leader they trully deserve.
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Xovizwe

The situation in our country needs special intervention by challenging political parties. DA and co must stop the blaming game and come out clear to the electorate, describe and explain their ideology, in a transparent manner. They have to improve their canvasing strategies to suit the lower level of voters.

They have a big task of convincing the huge number of voters that they are not (as perceived) the party for the whi_te minority. Less than 5% can access these forums and internet at large.

SA is not as classy as most of middle and high class of people believe, 60% of people are still living in dark ages.
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RobinH

Xovizwe: Again, you put words in my mouth. What is it with you? I have NEVER slated him for a lack of education, but indeed for his many many blunders and his sheer arrogance. So don't try that stunt with me. I know many brilliant people who have not had the educational privilegs I had, but who have risen to great heights and no qualms from me at all. I blame Zuma for being arrogant, for making our country look like a haven of chauvinistic nincompoops with not a single care for the people, and for being indecisive at critical points. Obviously I can't answer your closing question, but it isn't even vaguely relevant. Sure, I agree, removal of Zuma will only remove on symptom, but advisers are appointed by the president, NOT by the party, so get rid of him and a new set of (probably equally ill-advised) opportunists will take their places. ANd with the greatest of respect, this all has absolutely nothing to do with apartheid, evil as it was. Now don't try to trip me on words YOU presume to put in my mouth.
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MommaC

Xovizwe

Running anything at all by committee is a disaster, trying to run a country by committee is impossible.

A country needs a leader, not a spokesman
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Xovizwe

RobinH

I'm yet to find out these "blunders and his sheer arrogance" except his education and his cultural practices. We live in a very diverse country where some promotes polygamy and some promotes homosexuality etc. Soon we will have homosexual president and some will blame it, and some will accept it.

We are yet to draw a line as a community between personal/private life and public life. We always look at how the western world will perceive us with such a polygamist president, but these countries have self-confessed homosexuals ministers and premiers.

Of course we have a big challenge in service delivery and corruption but that can not be rested solely to the president, but rather to the Government as a whole. There are semi-clean provinces like WC and KZN where there are few cases of corruption, it is not that everything is bad.
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Dandan

RobinH

you are trying hard , first you need to understand politics or political games and anc , the anc is unlike DA , the anc is driven by human relations , and democratic principles whereas DA is driven by fascism and totalitarianism , these two institutions are nt jellying , so , my point is dont impose DA agenda/principles in the ANC.

Plse emain with DA you are good there dont come with anger to influence anc, the anc isnt ruled with iron fists , no thanks
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Xovizwe

MommaC

Consultation is key to a smooth-operated government. It part of avoiding dictatorship.

The first characteristics of a good leader, is the leader who listens to those who are led.
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1tsotsi

Dandan
1tsotsi


if you dont believe you have been defeated you are like Saddam who did nt want to believe his soldiers were defeated. How are you going to mangaung when your province is divided get united first like here in kzn , we are ready for the day , even if its tomorrow, and there will be no rigging of results like you did last yr , you try it bustards
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Ooh Nkosi yami!!! Wake up, Majority of the provinces want that thing jacob out, even dlomo from kzn said that the membership in your province has declined, so dont full yourself many people are just hiding now waiting for the processes to be opened, jacob zuma will be shocked, his high bl.ood will raise, in mangaung we going to claim whats ours(anc)
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Revulshionary

SOS (Save Our Souls)


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Sompisi

So the West wants to Decide who must Lead us??? - Thanx Msholozi you are not a "Baas boy"
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1tsotsi

JACOB: THE LAST KING(DICTATOR) OF NKANDLA..
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Tango

100% JZ,they can't stop a Zunami.
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RobinH

Dandan: If you had ever read any of my comments you would know that I do not espouse ANY party. Neither DA nor your dear ANC. "the anc is driven by human relations".... Hmm. So is this why Manyi tells us we have to put up with it, and why Nomvula blatantly ignores court orders? "democratic principles"> So this must be why journalists are assaulted and people throw chairs at meetings.Why people form alliances with dodgy financiers. Very democratic. Don't tell me I need to learn about politics. Who the hell are you to make assumptions of that kind. Get back up your MP's rear, please.
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Dandan

1tsotsi

kwakwakwakwa tlitltiltiltilti hhihihihihih

house is burning in Limp its too late now for that fire, all province are ready for finally whistle, Malema is closure to the cells and mathale will be fired soon, no rigging of results in mangaung

did you listen to DDs speech after the elections in Mpum , he said Malemas should watch out not to insult the leadership , again Jacob Manana in Limp urged Zuma for the second term, when is Malema coming to Kzn , why are they running away, why Magaqa did nt come last week to disrupt the Pres lecture
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RobinH

Xovizwe: I think we may be heading toward understanding one another, if not toward agreement. Politics is like religion. Both are really based on belief and very l;ittle else, so neither are really open to reasoned decisions. I have a real problem with making decisions based on political allegiance, as I consider a politician to be about as stable as a tumbleweed in a gale. Shall we leave it at that? I need to log off soon, and don't wish to argue with someone who is reasonable, even if we don't share the same political approach.
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Xovizwe

Assumptions are that, Zuma's challenger in Mangaung will be Motlante. Judging from his short spell as care-taker president, one would wonder if there will be any turn-around strategy he brings with him. The ever-quiet Motlante is not suitable, I would rather go for Ramaphosa, Manuel or Nkosazana Zuma.

However, without being bias, I'm not yet seeing any challenger who will be able to defeat Zuma in Mangaung, Mbeki was a far tougher candidate in Polokwane.
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Dandan

RobinH


again thats the reason I said understand politics and political games I supposed thats your biggest weakness
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RobinH

And I believe that Motlante will do a better job.
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Tango

Papage
We will remove him, if the ANC puts him there, this time we will revlot big time and no one will stop us.
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If they remove him, we also revlot big time and no one will also stop us.

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RobinH

Dandan: Whatever. Have a noce afternoon.
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RobinH

Dandan: I leave you with the observation that you don't actually address the examples I list. Ah well, being so politically astute makes one immune to logic. Have it as you wish. Bye now.
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1tsotsi

Dandan
1tsotsi

kwakwakwakwa tlitltiltiltilti hhihihihihih

house is burning in Limp its too late now for that fire, all province are ready for finally whistle, Malema is closure to the cells and mathale will be fired soon, no rigging of results in mangaung

did you listen to DDs speech after the elections in Mpum , he said Malemas should watch out not to insult the leadership , again Jacob Manana in Limp urged Zuma for the second term, when is Malema coming to Kzn , why are they running away, why Magaqa did nt come last week to disrupt the Pres lecture
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Why should i listen to that criminal DD? Just like jacob he has no leadership qualities let alone political content, Like iv said before, jacob is not coming back. Brace yourself for a shocker, its only a matter of time. Keep comforting yourself, we dont take that stupid boy mamabolo seriously.
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MommaC

Xovizwe

Consultation is one thing, avoiding responsibility is something different altogether.

If you have 20 people in a room, your chances of getting 100% consensus is virtually zero. You have to have someone who is willing to give the direction and pull the others along with him. There is no way that you can talk for 10 years about what to do with the EC school situation and then expect it to work. There is also no way that you can appoint a minister on popularity and expect a professional result.
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Dandan

1tsotsi

"...... we dont take that stupid boy mamabolo seriously......." ok, he has already huge damage
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The-Rothschilds

Does it really matter who is leading the ANC?

The ANC as a party is in crisis.

Rising as a socialist non racist movement it has now become a tyrant leader of corruption.

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Xovizwe

MommaC

That what happened with Mbeki. You can provide guidance but in the same time you have to be guided. Ideas of 20 people are better than that of one individual.

I say it again that in more than 100 senior leaders in Govt, we can't solely blame Zuma for each an every unfixed toilet or not working adult. 'We all have a responsibility to fix our problems and those of our country, especially those in Govt.

As a govt employee myself, I put it on my shoulders that each and every person entering my office for help, receive the greatest of attention and probably the solution. I will confront even the highest office to make sure that my fellow citizen get help. That is what we do in KZN, setting an example for provinces like EC and Limpopo.
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Mgaraji

With Masuale (SACP) ANC Provincial Chair in Eastern Cape and Qhoboshiyane Former Chair of ANCYL that was disbanded, I doubt if Eastern Cape is prepared to lose SG position to the faction that does not offer any senior leadership position to Eastern Cape. I am of the opinion that Eastern Cape will defend Gwede.
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MommaC

Xovizwe

Nobody is blaming Zuma for an unfixed toilet in the Vrystaat. What people expect is that the MEC in Vrystaat is being correctly overseen by the Minister in parliament who is, in turn, being held accountable by Zuma.

At some stage, the guy at the top has to put his foot down and insist that those below him do their jobs. That is not a committee decision and that should not be negotiable.
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zaco'z

My fellows....

The demented....The handicapped...The empty headed
The somnambulists and scatterbrainiacs
the rich and the not so rich
The poor and the almost poor...
The foolish wits and the witty fools....( i mean you...yes you....)
The claimers and sufferers.....
The saints and the aints
The thin and lean, and the humpty-dumpties
them that know more and them that dont know the least

it has been a very funny, fumming and furious day....
its that time to go and detox this foolishness and face reality in our respective homes....
Lets meet tomorrow recharged and with a happy hearts...no feuds...no one will quell them tomorrow...

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s.cold

@Dandan
UKE WAFUNDA E WESTVILLE NOMA E-UKZN,,IF YES UNGUDANDAN ENGIMAZIYO OWAYE KU SRC NE?
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Ngwijikhwebu

This is good developments indeed. Forward with Nxamalala forward. Phansi Ngezixhwanguxhwangu (Thu'gs) Phansi.

Zuma for President (2012),....
Ramaphosa for President (2017-2027)......
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Mahlol'adibona

I am even prepared to cast my vote for FF if that means making sure kangaman does not lead this country again.
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ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat

@Ngwijikhwebu
This is good developments indeed. Forward with Nxamalala forward. Phansi Ngezixhwanguxhwangu (Thu'gs) Phansi.

Zuma for President (2012),....
Ramaphosa for President (2017-2027)......
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Oh, what kind of desperation is this? Jacob Zuma is going down, down, down!!! You do not do the kind of things that Jacob Zuma has done to the ANC Youth League and get away with it. It may not be very clear now, but by the second half of this year it will be very clear that young people in the ANCare determined to kick out our honourable but notorious polygamist. As things stand, people are very polite but the right time is coming when people will speak freely about their leadership preferences and Jacob Zuma will hardly feature. I hope they are going to give him a dignified exit and not throw him in jail.

As for Cyril Ramaphosa, I thought he had a good chance of taking over from Nelson Mandela what sank him was trying to dictate to ANC Youth League President Peter Mokaba and ANC Women's League President Winnie Madikizela-Mandela. The two later came out in favour f Thabo Mbeki, and with the benefit of hindsight it was the correct decision. I love Ctril but surely he should know that a shrewd politician will not want to be seen bidding for a R20m buffalo when most of our people are living in grinding and abject poverty. Imagine the hypocritical hysteria if it were Julius Malema doingthat. But in any case the Malema disciplinary hearimg is going to explode in Cyril Ramaphosa's face and once more the ANC Youth League, the Young Lions, are going to sink his ambitions again. My personal view is that Ramaphosa is overrated and has very little to offer South Africa, except his own strong presidential ambition. Mkhuluwa (Motlanthe) is dignified and rises above political factions and will definitely unite the ANC. Even the rationale for COPE's existence will not exist and the majority of COPE voters will come back to the ANC. Kgalema Motlanthe for President in Mangaung, followed by Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma. That is the Zuma we shoud have had in the first place. Motlanthe will serve one term but contniue as president of the ANC in 2017 but with Nkosazana serving as president of the country.
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TheNewFreedomFighter

There is someting very immoral in the ANC when it can, without conscience, promote a man that has abused and manipulated the legal justice system in order to promote his own self interest.

ANC voters are sick!
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Nincompoop

NOT A CHANCE, ZUMA SHOULD BE REMOVED INMANGAUNG ALONG HIS CRONIES LIKE ACE MAGASHULA. WE CAN'T LIVE WITH THESE SO CALLED LEADER ANYMORE, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.....
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Raven

We are going down.. our leadership needs to be changed nad under Mr Zumas Leadership -we are a country thats just going in the wrong directions..
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Maqhosha

OMW now we have to deal with this shower head again! Suka maan
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mrprice

why he must finish his first term this guy he is a weakest leader ever,i dont even call him president
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Serai

JZ managed to get 2 wives in his 1st term with a possible 3rd (Sonono Khoza).Imagine if he were to get the 2nd term....o fetsa go tshwara speed,go tla jewa motho..
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