"You!" they yelled at him. Had you been in that unforgettable marquee at the historic Turfloop campus in Limpopo, you would have bet the timing and the response itself was thoroughly rehearsed over a period. In that crowd was Julius Malema.
Flip-flopping isn't working so well and neither is electing 'opposites' all the time. The ANC needs someone with vision or it will be in danger of being completely taken over by a bunch of idiots with nothing other than self serving personal agendas Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
Pfanani
The lesser is said about this column the better. Who said that if the yell at you in politics you quit. It will be very childish for anyone to do so. Even Zuma himself there are time when people shout or yell at him but that doesn’t mean that it’s the end of it. There is no special book that defines politics, and there are a number of people. Again I think most of us African brothers and sisters don’t read, including political analysts, so called columnist and also a lot of people who comments. We see headlines and quickly jump into conclusion without understanding world trends and also how best things can be done in political arenas. In politics there are no permanent friends and permanent enemies. Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
Ann
mara Malema o wa lena o kare ke mongolo bona fela jaaka sega jo! Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
Madyeke
Former President Thabo Mbeki is tried and tested cadre, who has seen it all. After the formation of 'COPE' people were asying he intended to join it but to their disappointment he did'nt. You remember the open letter by Fikile Mbalulula after Mbeki has refused to be involved in the ANC 2009 election campaign. Acusing him of the master mind on the formation of COPE. But surpringly the very same people (Mbalula and Malema) who velified Mbeki want him to help them to get rid of Zuma.
A well articulated article. Very true indeed. if there is one thing the ANC don't want to admit is that Zuma has failed in all fronts as a leader Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
Wozanami
Eish, that Mbeki must tell some good jokes.
Every picture i see of him and Malema, Juju is laughing his ASSSS off (and maqaqa is hanging around in the background watching Juju's fish mouth to see if he must also laugh or not)
can someone summaries this article???? i hate reading long stories Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
LLCool
Magaga/or is it makaka is clearly visible nee, look at the teeth Gap or bridge. Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
Madyeke
Seshego GuY, must be one of the rented thugs who has just been recruited in the ANC and their duties is to undermine the intelligency of the current elected ANC leadership. As a supporter of Malema yourself tell me one country who has succeeded on nationalisation and myself i will tell you more than 20 (twenty).
All I can say is "Politics are a very dirty game", Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
TupacAmaru
SeshegoGaY
A well articulated article. Very true indeed. if there is one thing the ANC don't want to admit is that Zuma has failed in all fronts as a leader
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How has Mr Zuma failed if he hasnt finished his term yet? Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
Cowgirl
Wow! what a thought provoking read, so on point, what comes to mind when i read this is that you never know what you've got until it's gone.
The current leadership has no vision, Nelson Mandela was about National reconciliation, Thabo Mbeki was about African Renaissance, Black Economic Empowerment, i am yet to figure out what Jacob Zuma is about and his term is almost over and that brings me to the conclusion that he had no vision, the only thing for him was that he wanted it so badly and did not even bother to have a agenda that was for the benefit the people, how selfish can one individual be?
can someone summaries this article???? i hate reading long stories
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It says in short, you have to forget about the promises you made to people who elected you a leader and focus and enjoy what whites give you while people elected you live in poverty.
Lastly,to go forward you have to forget where you come from regardless of that our pasts make us who we are today.
zuma now attacking Limpopo for corruption just because Malema is from that side. So this is not a fight for corruption but a fight to enemies in order to protect family members in second term, the next 5 years. Now the thing is been downgraded to be as if Malema's involvement in tenders caused Limpopo to be bankrupt, impossible piece of nonsense.
We want zuma out, how do you have a president who when starting to give a speech in centunary celebrations, people just move out of stadium? People question all his speeches without vision, his sex life, appointments of leaders. Now the ANC from president to spokespersons is only zulus even the police bosses...
Motlante for president thus bringing dignity back to the ANC. We need a president with zipped trousers so that we get two third majority that we need.
Unity in the ANC can be brought back if we bring Mbeki back, bring Julius back and allow youth league to be radical and autonomous...then we put Kgalema on top. Or do all of those and zuma and PRESIDENT MALEMA make peace. Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
T.C.T
yah neh i guess it was predicted long time ago when ppl used to say a snake gives birth to a snakeletts today they are showing teeth to each other making us stupid idiot...but MENO MASWEU ABOLAYA A TSHEGA Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
Sinudeity
Mbeki will come out tops. He will end up kicking julius and jacob in the nethers. Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
T.C.T
Sinudeity
Mbeki will come out tops. He will end up kicking julius and jacob in the nethers
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mbeki must just stay wer he is, Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
Sinudeity
T.C.T - That I agree with.
Based on our constitution, after serving two terms, can you take a hiatus, and then become president again? Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
thandoty
Well said Mr.Mkhabela and if i were Bantu Holomisa i would say the chickens are coming home to roost, because the way Mbeki was removed and called names the discipline in the ANC was not a way to go. Mbeki as a disciplined cadre of the movement was first accused of firing Zuma although if one follows the Chikane files that were published by the Star, Zuma was the one who wanted out to solve his political woes. Mbeki refuse to let him go and insisted that if the scorpions had a warant of arrest for him, let them bring it on and the executive will deal with it. Zuma forced Mbeki and the executive to let him go only to change the story later and made himself a victim with the insistence of people like Blade Nzimande, Zwelinzima Vavi and those who were opposed to discipline that Mbeki mantained within the ANC. If one reads the Chikane files which the ANC never diputed he (Chikane) even touched Motlantle when the statement was changed with the hope that Zuma will rise and correct this incetion by Nzimande but he never did.
What i like about this article is that the ANC lost its moral value when they allowed a person with such a record of all the things that a president should not have such as what was described at the case of Shaik, the sleeping with the daughter of a friend who was HIV and the rest that followed and sacrificed the discipline and orderly succession on the leadership of the movement and factionalism which till today is the order of the day within the ANC. More to this there is no more a single voice coming from the ANC because everyone can say what they want anytime they want to. For instance SACP & COSATU both claim to be the strategic centre of the alliance and can impose anything on the ANC because the man in charge they know everything about him. During the Mbeki era the alliance knew exactly what their role was in the ANC and this was known even during the times of Slovo, John Gomomo, Motlante, Ramaphosa etc. All i am saying it is good to use the past to reflect on the future, but not use it as a scapegoat when you cannot control the future, because there is only one Rolihlahla, as there was only one Slovo or Oliver Tambo.
We must also for the sake of continuity learn from these great men to preparethe future generation and understand political dynamics. For instance some of the clauses that formed freedom charter are no longer relevant in todays economy and the ANC of revolutionary songs is governing and it had to adapt to that rather than sticking to the old/ or using the old school to manipulate things to your advantage incorrectly. Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
AfroPanther
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kwakwakwa Mpumelelo you are an excellent writer. Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
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I was going to quote what AfroPanther quoted, but City Power interfered. What an excellent writer.
Katakata, you are hilarious. I wouldn't want you to take minutes in one of my meetings though. Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
RealAfricanDemocrat
Unfortunately this is just one of those ill-thought and badly written articles about ANC politics, mainly due to its shallowness and the author's naive approach to ANC politics.
First, the author commits that fatal mistake of many journalists, of taking politicians seriously even when they are not supposed to be taken seriously. ANC politics before and immediately after Polokwane cannot be used as a yardstick to measure anything. The mob psychology that prevailed then allowed a minority with an agenda to think on behalf of many who just committed intellectual suicide for reasons of political expediency. Many active ANC members will also know that by the time ANC branches, regions and provinces nominated candidates for the leadership, probably close to 60% were new members who had never played any active part in the ANC until then. They were a rented crowd that ws supposed to achieve a particular objective: bring Jacob Zuma in, regardless of the cost to the ANC or country.
Secondly, for reasons of political expediency , people were called names "dictator" among others. President Mbeki was the obvious target of the disgruntled. Those who know him well will attest to the fact that he does not suffer fools. He is a voracious reader, and was quick to dismiss arguments which did not make sense to him. Those who could not respond to his counter-arguments cogently resorted to namecalling and labelling to save face among fellow comrades. Jacob Zuma, on the other hand, because he had very little of his own to say, would listen and as he did not have much to say in response either, would continue listening and at the end you got a handshake, had a good laugh and felt much appreciated. Mbeki on the other hand, had the tendency to make his detractors feel small.
Third, it cannot be denied that many of the disgruntled around Zuma were people who had a lot to answer for, but instead of them being charged for their offences, they were sidelined politically but waited for the right moment to pounce back. Whether at national, provincial or local government level, those who were sidelined for various reasons quickly jumped on the Jacob Zuma bandwagon. It should not come as a surprise when things fall apart all over the country. Many of the comrades at local, provincial and national levels are just ill-suited for the positions they hold and only got their positions mainly due to their loyalty, blind or otherwise, to the incumbent. However, it is also clear that even though many of the cadres are out of their depth, no action will be taken against them unless there is unbearble pressure from the public or they themselves start rebelling against the current ANC leadership as is the case in Limpopo. Had the ANC leadership in Limpopo shown loyalty to the incument, they would still be very much in charge even if they had a shortfall of Rbn, let alone the current R2bn.
In conclusion, yes the ANC can learn from ancestry and the past, as long as an effort is made to look objectively at history and not just rely on propaganda. ANC heroes can provide inspiration to modern day cadres who face different challenges but unfortunately much of the deliberation in the ANC has the hallmark of hypocrisy. In recent years, there has been an attempt to wipe out President Mbeki's contribution to the ANC and the country. Very few will deny that Thabo Mbeki was the de facto president during the Mandela era. Mbeki was therefore the dominant figure in the first 15 years of the ANC government and had a strategy to take the country forward. I honestly cannot think of any achievement of not by the current administration, except Aaron Motsoaledi's publicity campaign around HIV/Aids.Now with the country being led by bumbling and outright idiots (excuse the language), it is thus not surprising when those who committed intellectual suicide for reasons of political expediency are now coming back to their senses. The ANC Youth League is actually among the very first to realise that Polokwane sold them a dummy. It is quiet logical that the ANC Youth League would want to play a critical role in making the ANC correct the Polokwane Mistake. Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
dre10
What a picture. I am sure Zuma is furious with this picture. Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady
I was going to quote what AfroPanther quoted, but City Power interfered. What an excellent writer.
Katakata, you are hilarious. I wouldn't want you to take minutes in one of my meetings though.
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Why ?
Katakata, because minutes is a condensed version of what was said and you'll twist everything as you did here. You'd make an excellent lawyer though. I'd be willing to sponsor your studies if you'd work for my company for 5 years after qualifying. Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady
Katakata, because minutes is a condensed version of what was said and you'll twist everything as you did here. You'd make an excellent lawyer though. I'd be willing to sponsor your studies if you'd work for my company for 5 years after qualifying.
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Pleas gogo I was just trying all my best to make that young man understand what written on the article and who to interpret politically.
Is that wrong to help someone?
Katakata, like I said, if you can help a client in court by managing to twist words the way you did, you'd make an excellent lawyer, and get very rich in the process. Think about my offer. I'm serious. Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
Fred55
We are tired of ANC politics!!
They must stop playing politics and rather run the country efficiently! Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
cornelius
I just hope Mbeki does not destroy his dignity by allowing Malema to use him for his own purposes. It is clear that Juju is wooing the ex prez and it seems that the pipe smoking intellectual is falling for it. Juju is using you to get at JZ sir, be wary. After the way JM insulted you, you should tell him to go to blazes. Report Abuse
@cool
Just watch and learn, December is coming. What do you do when you have two presidents in the past and our votes kept increasing and here you have someone costing us votes to opposite party. This msholoshit of yours has never done anything important, what has he done what has he come up with. His speeches are always Mandela quotes...what the hell is this? Mbeki might have made us a laughing stock internationally with his AIDS issue but this zuma is the worst. I heard they say he repeat what other presidents are saying when he goes abroad.
PLEASE cool, YOUR UNCLE MUST JUST DO WHAT HE DOES BEST, PORN STAR. Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
Nwanawamukalaha
Some funny people say this is why they were laughing:
Malema to Mbeki: 'Ha ha ha! Ke nna ke go kubisitseng.'
Mbeki to Malema: 'Ha ha ha! Le wena ba go kubile.' Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldlady
Katakata, like I said, if you can help a client in court by managing to twist words the way you did, you'd make an excellent lawyer, and get very rich in the process. Think about my offer. I'm serious.
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Hahhaha!
What do you care about whether we, as members of the ANC, want? You should be focusing on the media. Thats your job. as for who we want as our leader, when we want them, for what purpose we want them is none of your business, hack! Go get a life, wena puppet! Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
ComradeChe
By the way, it is good that the ANC does what the ANC wants. we never listen to people who are either still wet behind their ears to understand, people who not long ago supported apartheid and called Olivet Tambo a terrorist, or people like Mpumelelo who are just too stupid and used by their white masters.
What made SA like this today it is the foundation laid down in many years ago that people will time and again mention so if some stupid person who doesnt even know where he goes pitch out of the sudden and tell people that ANC people focus mostly in "politics of ancestry" you ask yourself that who does he think he is,bloody swine?
If what people were fighting for didnt happen the struggle continues that is all and we will still speak about them.
Unfortunately it is true... the ANC is not forward thinkers and they cannot seem to rid themselves of the past. The ANC is a revolutionary institution that needs to be oppressed to have meaning. Once the oppression was removed they seem to be looking for new things to “struggle” against. Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
Tso12
Truth be told, we are led by idiots. For those who have an intimate and good understanding of Mbekis personality, they should know that he is a very hard, straight forward and pricipled man. when he said "i will not rule from the grave", he meant just that. No matter who says what, he will not return to fully participate in SA or ANC politics. When the man stes his mind on something, he does just that until he gets the results he want's. So Malema just have to continue dreaming and wishing he had not mistreated Mbeki.
Zuma has lost his aharm nad his machine gun has ran out of ammunation. The sword that MAlema was wielding at Mbeki, prior to Polokwane, has run blunt. Everyone in the ANC has goten what they deserve, a failed party. To borrow some word from some in the past, do not awaken the "dead snake", keep the "dictator" who has the "tendencies to be like Mugabe" away from your mess. Let Mbeki enjoy his retirement and pension in peace. He does not woe you any favours.Oh, ya nad Malema, see you in Mangaung...as a spectator. Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
KALITO
@ golezwa somebody please chief ....
My reasoning capacity is too low @ this jungture....cause of da pap i ate during lunch !!!! Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
PolokwaneGirl
Yahh it is true, there are no life time enemies in politics, what a dirty game it is..... So JUju and his cadres made sure, that the economist Thabo Mbheki was removed, put their lives on the line for Zuma, now their regretting their decisions. Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
xBusi
How on earth can anybody trust Malema. According to them Mbeki was public enemy #1. Suddenly he is the "man" just because he suits there political agenda. Yes like PolokwaneGirl says... "what a dirty game". Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@xBusi
You cannt think about the next level while you still struggling at the current one,to leave the work undone and move on does that mean that you are forward thinkers,big NO!
enough wit Malema and the ANC, is the ANC of today relevant to us youth moving forward? ''im deeply concerned'' the ANC of 1912 left the legacy of FREEDOM, making it very difficult to the ANC of 2012 to shift focus to issues relevant to today moving forward, please comrades we don't want to be told what we already know come up with future investment ideas for future generations. AMANADLA ECONOMIC AND SKILLS EMPOWERMENT, AMANDLA!! Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
xBusi
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Why are we still stuggeling with the current level? The current level should not have anything to do with the past. Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
P4T
Much as no human being is perfect, for we are all Biblical Adam and Eve's lineage. However, A question to the ANC collective and South African population: what do they see the current president's legacy as? a positive legacy that is. Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
Mokgaditse
Those who has good memory ( including soweta of course) will remeber last year I said why is Malema being disciplined now, Zuma groomed him to be what he is today. This is what Zuma saw and it is time reap what he saw. If Mbeki and his supporters did what Zuma is doing now, I tell Zuma was not going to be a President. Malema single handley put him there. He used quite a lot of bad things about Mbeki then and Zuma did nothing. Mbeki kind as he is, he gave a dog a long rope to hang itself.Lets keep watching the space as Zuma is trying to saddle a political score and he is praying where ever he is wishing Ramaphosa and his crew can uphold the dicision to suspend Malema. If they overturn the decision, Zuma is no more for sure. Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
Sinudeity
KALITO - No ways!
Pap INCREASES your reasoning capabilities. Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
blinddog
It appears ANC members vote with their hearts, and not their minds. I mean, what is it that Zuma promised the nation? other than he played victim all the time! Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@xBusi
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Why are we still stuggeling with the current level? The current level should not have anything to do with the past.
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If you dont look back in the past to see that you have fulfiled your promises to people or not you wont say you done well and have to move one.That is why our pasts make us who we are today and will make us again who we will be tomorrow.
Do you know the contents in freedom charter xBusi ?
Remembering the past... even celebrating the past if ok. To dwell in the past is the problem. Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
Pelezizu
Dear moderator Instead of blocking words for the sake of blocking, how about U replace them with sumthng like dis: ******* , dis will help evry1 N U wont seem dumb anymo. Thanx F#cker
@Madyeke
Just because im criticising the president does not make me belong in those stupid camps of the ANC
........oh BTW not every black person belongs to the ANC u know (Just saying)
@Tupac Amaru
Insulting me won't get ur point across. Does Zuma have to finish his term before we can say he has failed??? Well then let me rephrase---SO FAR ZUMA HAS FAILED US Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
SeshegoGuY
@Sowetan Moderator
If there is one good thing u did, its getting rid of GOAT_Sp*rm Report Abuse
Jan 25, 2012
chintu35
i think jocob zuma is dull and mbeki was smart even though he was an interllectual recluse he was smart to spark south african economy and both seen the struggle and also exposed on the world stage he was the best suited after Mandela people in south africa are just dull or to millitant for nothing to see reality Report Abuse
Jan 26, 2012
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Does the ANC not mention its past accomplishments as freedom fighters more then actually doing what its slogan says giving a " better life for all " ?
Do you as an ANC supporter not vote for the ANC because they are the liberators ?
Do you not ignore the problems and obvious flaws in the party because of what they did and not what they are doing Report Abuse
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MommaC
A well considered and thought provoking article.Flip-flopping isn't working so well and neither is electing 'opposites' all the time. The ANC needs someone with vision or it will be in danger of being completely taken over by a bunch of idiots with nothing other than self serving personal agendas
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Pfanani
The lesser is said about this column the better. Who said that if the yell at you in politics you quit. It will be very childish for anyone to do so. Even Zuma himself there are time when people shout or yell at him but that doesn’t mean that it’s the end of it. There is no special book that defines politics, and there are a number of people. Again I think most of us African brothers and sisters don’t read, including political analysts, so called columnist and also a lot of people who comments. We see headlines and quickly jump into conclusion without understanding world trends and also how best things can be done in political arenas. In politics there are no permanent friends and permanent enemies.Report Abuse
Ann
mara Malema o wa lena o kare ke mongolo bona fela jaaka sega jo!Report Abuse
Madyeke
Former President Thabo Mbeki is tried and tested cadre, who has seen it all. After the formation of 'COPE' people were asying he intended to join it but to their disappointment he did'nt. You remember the open letter by Fikile Mbalulula after Mbeki has refused to be involved in the ANC 2009 election campaign. Acusing him of the master mind on the formation of COPE. But surpringly the very same people (Mbalula and Malema) who velified Mbeki want him to help them to get rid of Zuma.Report Abuse
SeshegoGuY
A well articulated article. Very true indeed. if there is one thing the ANC don't want to admit is that Zuma has failed in all fronts as a leaderReport Abuse
Wozanami
Eish, that Mbeki must tell some good jokes.Every picture i see of him and Malema, Juju is laughing his ASSSS off (and maqaqa is hanging around in the background watching Juju's fish mouth to see if he must also laugh or not)
I want to hear some of those jokes.
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golezwa
can someone summaries this article???? i hate reading long storiesReport Abuse
LLCool
Magaga/or is it makaka is clearly visible nee, look at the teeth Gap or bridge.Report Abuse
Madyeke
Seshego GuY, must be one of the rented thugs who has just been recruited in the ANC and their duties is to undermine the intelligency of the current elected ANC leadership. As a supporter of Malema yourself tell me one country who has succeeded on nationalisation and myself i will tell you more than 20 (twenty).Report Abuse
LaVidaLoca
All I can say is "Politics are a very dirty game",Report Abuse
TupacAmaru
SeshegoGaYA well articulated article. Very true indeed. if there is one thing the ANC don't want to admit is that Zuma has failed in all fronts as a leader
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How has Mr Zuma failed if he hasnt finished his term yet?
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Cowgirl
Wow! what a thought provoking read, so on point, what comes to mind when i read this is that you never know what you've got until it's gone.The current leadership has no vision, Nelson Mandela was about National reconciliation, Thabo Mbeki was about African Renaissance, Black Economic Empowerment, i am yet to figure out what Jacob Zuma is about and his term is almost over and that brings me to the conclusion that he had no vision, the only thing for him was that he wanted it so badly and did not even bother to have a agenda that was for the benefit the people, how selfish can one individual be?
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@golezwa@Wozanami
can someone summaries this article???? i hate reading long stories
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It says in short, you have to forget about the promises you made to people who elected you a leader and focus and enjoy what whites give you while people elected you live in poverty.
Lastly,to go forward you have to forget where you come from regardless of that our pasts make us who we are today.
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BUDDYC
zuma now attacking Limpopo for corruption just because Malema is from that side. So this is not a fight for corruption but a fight to enemies in order to protect family members in second term, the next 5 years. Now the thing is been downgraded to be as if Malema's involvement in tenders caused Limpopo to be bankrupt, impossible piece of nonsense.We want zuma out, how do you have a president who when starting to give a speech in centunary celebrations, people just move out of stadium? People question all his speeches without vision, his sex life, appointments of leaders. Now the ANC from president to spokespersons is only zulus even the police bosses...
Motlante for president thus bringing dignity back to the ANC. We need a president with zipped trousers so that we get two third majority that we need.
Unity in the ANC can be brought back if we bring Mbeki back, bring Julius back and allow youth league to be radical and autonomous...then we put Kgalema on top. Or do all of those and zuma and PRESIDENT MALEMA make peace.
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T.C.T
yah neh i guess it was predicted long time ago when ppl used to say a snake gives birth to a snakeletts today they are showing teeth to each other making us stupid idiot...but MENO MASWEU ABOLAYA A TSHEGAReport Abuse
Sinudeity
Mbeki will come out tops. He will end up kicking julius and jacob in the nethers.Report Abuse
T.C.T
SinudeityMbeki will come out tops. He will end up kicking julius and jacob in the nethers
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mbeki must just stay wer he is,
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Sinudeity
T.C.T - That I agree with.Based on our constitution, after serving two terms, can you take a hiatus, and then become president again?
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thandoty
Well said Mr.Mkhabela and if i were Bantu Holomisa i would say the chickens are coming home to roost, because the way Mbeki was removed and called names the discipline in the ANC was not a way to go. Mbeki as a disciplined cadre of the movement was first accused of firing Zuma although if one follows the Chikane files that were published by the Star, Zuma was the one who wanted out to solve his political woes. Mbeki refuse to let him go and insisted that if the scorpions had a warant of arrest for him, let them bring it on and the executive will deal with it. Zuma forced Mbeki and the executive to let him go only to change the story later and made himself a victim with the insistence of people like Blade Nzimande, Zwelinzima Vavi and those who were opposed to discipline that Mbeki mantained within the ANC. If one reads the Chikane files which the ANC never diputed he (Chikane) even touched Motlantle when the statement was changed with the hope that Zuma will rise and correct this incetion by Nzimande but he never did.What i like about this article is that the ANC lost its moral value when they allowed a person with such a record of all the things that a president should not have such as what was described at the case of Shaik, the sleeping with the daughter of a friend who was HIV and the rest that followed and sacrificed the discipline and orderly succession on the leadership of the movement and factionalism which till today is the order of the day within the ANC. More to this there is no more a single voice coming from the ANC because everyone can say what they want anytime they want to. For instance SACP & COSATU both claim to be the strategic centre of the alliance and can impose anything on the ANC because the man in charge they know everything about him. During the Mbeki era the alliance knew exactly what their role was in the ANC and this was known even during the times of Slovo, John Gomomo, Motlante, Ramaphosa etc. All i am saying it is good to use the past to reflect on the future, but not use it as a scapegoat when you cannot control the future, because there is only one Rolihlahla, as there was only one Slovo or Oliver Tambo.
We must also for the sake of continuity learn from these great men to preparethe future generation and understand political dynamics. For instance some of the clauses that formed freedom charter are no longer relevant in todays economy and the ANC of revolutionary songs is governing and it had to adapt to that rather than sticking to the old/ or using the old school to manipulate things to your advantage incorrectly.
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AfroPanther
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kwakwakwa Mpumelelo you are an excellent writer.
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oldlady
I was going to quote what AfroPanther quoted, but City Power interfered. What an excellent writer.Katakata, you are hilarious. I wouldn't want you to take minutes in one of my meetings though.
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RealAfricanDemocrat
Unfortunately this is just one of those ill-thought and badly written articles about ANC politics, mainly due to its shallowness and the author's naive approach to ANC politics.First, the author commits that fatal mistake of many journalists, of taking politicians seriously even when they are not supposed to be taken seriously. ANC politics before and immediately after Polokwane cannot be used as a yardstick to measure anything. The mob psychology that prevailed then allowed a minority with an agenda to think on behalf of many who just committed intellectual suicide for reasons of political expediency. Many active ANC members will also know that by the time ANC branches, regions and provinces nominated candidates for the leadership, probably close to 60% were new members who had never played any active part in the ANC until then. They were a rented crowd that ws supposed to achieve a particular objective: bring Jacob Zuma in, regardless of the cost to the ANC or country.
Secondly, for reasons of political expediency , people were called names "dictator" among others. President Mbeki was the obvious target of the disgruntled. Those who know him well will attest to the fact that he does not suffer fools. He is a voracious reader, and was quick to dismiss arguments which did not make sense to him. Those who could not respond to his counter-arguments cogently resorted to namecalling and labelling to save face among fellow comrades. Jacob Zuma, on the other hand, because he had very little of his own to say, would listen and as he did not have much to say in response either, would continue listening and at the end you got a handshake, had a good laugh and felt much appreciated. Mbeki on the other hand, had the tendency to make his detractors feel small.
Third, it cannot be denied that many of the disgruntled around Zuma were people who had a lot to answer for, but instead of them being charged for their offences, they were sidelined politically but waited for the right moment to pounce back. Whether at national, provincial or local government level, those who were sidelined for various reasons quickly jumped on the Jacob Zuma bandwagon. It should not come as a surprise when things fall apart all over the country. Many of the comrades at local, provincial and national levels are just ill-suited for the positions they hold and only got their positions mainly due to their loyalty, blind or otherwise, to the incumbent. However, it is also clear that even though many of the cadres are out of their depth, no action will be taken against them unless there is unbearble pressure from the public or they themselves start rebelling against the current ANC leadership as is the case in Limpopo. Had the ANC leadership in Limpopo shown loyalty to the incument, they would still be very much in charge even if they had a shortfall of Rbn, let alone the current R2bn.
In conclusion, yes the ANC can learn from ancestry and the past, as long as an effort is made to look objectively at history and not just rely on propaganda. ANC heroes can provide inspiration to modern day cadres who face different challenges but unfortunately much of the deliberation in the ANC has the hallmark of hypocrisy. In recent years, there has been an attempt to wipe out President Mbeki's contribution to the ANC and the country. Very few will deny that Thabo Mbeki was the de facto president during the Mandela era. Mbeki was therefore the dominant figure in the first 15 years of the ANC government and had a strategy to take the country forward. I honestly cannot think of any achievement of not by the current administration, except Aaron Motsoaledi's publicity campaign around HIV/Aids.Now with the country being led by bumbling and outright idiots (excuse the language), it is thus not surprising when those who committed intellectual suicide for reasons of political expediency are now coming back to their senses. The ANC Youth League is actually among the very first to realise that Polokwane sold them a dummy. It is quiet logical that the ANC Youth League would want to play a critical role in making the ANC correct the Polokwane Mistake.
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dre10
What a picture. I am sure Zuma is furious with this picture.Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldladyI was going to quote what AfroPanther quoted, but City Power interfered. What an excellent writer.
Katakata, you are hilarious. I wouldn't want you to take minutes in one of my meetings though.
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Why ?
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oldlady
Katakata, because minutes is a condensed version of what was said and you'll twist everything as you did here. You'd make an excellent lawyer though. I'd be willing to sponsor your studies if you'd work for my company for 5 years after qualifying.Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldladyKatakata, because minutes is a condensed version of what was said and you'll twist everything as you did here. You'd make an excellent lawyer though. I'd be willing to sponsor your studies if you'd work for my company for 5 years after qualifying.
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Pleas gogo I was just trying all my best to make that young man understand what written on the article and who to interpret politically.
Is that wrong to help someone?
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oldlady
Katakata, like I said, if you can help a client in court by managing to twist words the way you did, you'd make an excellent lawyer, and get very rich in the process. Think about my offer. I'm serious.Report Abuse
Fred55
We are tired of ANC politics!!They must stop playing politics and rather run the country efficiently!
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cornelius
I just hope Mbeki does not destroy his dignity by allowing Malema to use him for his own purposes. It is clear that Juju is wooing the ex prez and it seems that the pipe smoking intellectual is falling for it. Juju is using you to get at JZ sir, be wary. After the way JM insulted you, you should tell him to go to blazes.Report Abuse
phathaphatha
RealAfricanDemocrat you said it allReport Abuse
BUDDYC
@coolJust watch and learn, December is coming. What do you do when you have two presidents in the past and our votes kept increasing and here you have someone costing us votes to opposite party. This msholoshit of yours has never done anything important, what has he done what has he come up with. His speeches are always Mandela quotes...what the hell is this? Mbeki might have made us a laughing stock internationally with his AIDS issue but this zuma is the worst. I heard they say he repeat what other presidents are saying when he goes abroad.
PLEASE cool, YOUR UNCLE MUST JUST DO WHAT HE DOES BEST, PORN STAR.
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Nwanawamukalaha
Some funny people say this is why they were laughing:Malema to Mbeki: 'Ha ha ha! Ke nna ke go kubisitseng.'
Mbeki to Malema: 'Ha ha ha! Le wena ba go kubile.'
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@oldladyKatakata, like I said, if you can help a client in court by managing to twist words the way you did, you'd make an excellent lawyer, and get very rich in the process. Think about my offer. I'm serious.
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Hahhaha!
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ComradeChe
What do you care about whether we, as members of the ANC, want? You should be focusing on the media. Thats your job. as for who we want as our leader, when we want them, for what purpose we want them is none of your business, hack! Go get a life, wena puppet!Report Abuse
ComradeChe
By the way, it is good that the ANC does what the ANC wants. we never listen to people who are either still wet behind their ears to understand, people who not long ago supported apartheid and called Olivet Tambo a terrorist, or people like Mpumelelo who are just too stupid and used by their white masters.ANC lives
ANC leads
Stew on that, children of apartheid!
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KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
What made SA like this today it is the foundation laid down in many years ago that people will time and again mention so if some stupid person who doesnt even know where he goes pitch out of the sudden and tell people that ANC people focus mostly in "politics of ancestry" you ask yourself that who does he think he is,bloody swine?If what people were fighting for didnt happen the struggle continues that is all and we will still speak about them.
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xBusi
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepeUnfortunately it is true... the ANC is not forward thinkers and they cannot seem to rid themselves of the past. The ANC is a revolutionary institution that needs to be oppressed to have meaning. Once the oppression was removed they seem to be looking for new things to “struggle” against.
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Tso12
Truth be told, we are led by idiots. For those who have an intimate and good understanding of Mbekis personality, they should know that he is a very hard, straight forward and pricipled man. when he said "i will not rule from the grave", he meant just that. No matter who says what, he will not return to fully participate in SA or ANC politics. When the man stes his mind on something, he does just that until he gets the results he want's. So Malema just have to continue dreaming and wishing he had not mistreated Mbeki.Zuma has lost his aharm nad his machine gun has ran out of ammunation. The sword that MAlema was wielding at Mbeki, prior to Polokwane, has run blunt. Everyone in the ANC has goten what they deserve, a failed party. To borrow some word from some in the past, do not awaken the "dead snake", keep the "dictator" who has the "tendencies to be like Mugabe" away from your mess. Let Mbeki enjoy his retirement and pension in peace. He does not woe you any favours.Oh, ya nad Malema, see you in Mangaung...as a spectator.
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KALITO
@ golezwa somebody please chief ....My reasoning capacity is too low @ this jungture....cause of da pap i ate during lunch !!!!
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PolokwaneGirl
Yahh it is true, there are no life time enemies in politics, what a dirty game it is..... So JUju and his cadres made sure, that the economist Thabo Mbheki was removed, put their lives on the line for Zuma, now their regretting their decisions.Report Abuse
xBusi
How on earth can anybody trust Malema. According to them Mbeki was public enemy #1. Suddenly he is the "man" just because he suits there political agenda. Yes like PolokwaneGirl says... "what a dirty game".Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@xBusiYou cannt think about the next level while you still struggling at the current one,to leave the work undone and move on does that mean that you are forward thinkers,big NO!
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Budapat
enough wit Malema and the ANC, is the ANC of today relevant to us youth moving forward? ''im deeply concerned'' the ANC of 1912 left the legacy of FREEDOM, making it very difficult to the ANC of 2012 to shift focus to issues relevant to today moving forward, please comrades we don't want to be told what we already know come up with future investment ideas for future generations. AMANADLA ECONOMIC AND SKILLS EMPOWERMENT, AMANDLA!!Report Abuse
xBusi
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepeWhy are we still stuggeling with the current level? The current level should not have anything to do with the past.
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P4T
Much as no human being is perfect, for we are all Biblical Adam and Eve's lineage. However, A question to the ANC collective and South African population: what do they see the current president's legacy as? a positive legacy that is.Report Abuse
Mokgaditse
Those who has good memory ( including soweta of course) will remeber last year I said why is Malema being disciplined now, Zuma groomed him to be what he is today. This is what Zuma saw and it is time reap what he saw. If Mbeki and his supporters did what Zuma is doing now, I tell Zuma was not going to be a President. Malema single handley put him there. He used quite a lot of bad things about Mbeki then and Zuma did nothing. Mbeki kind as he is, he gave a dog a long rope to hang itself.Lets keep watching the space as Zuma is trying to saddle a political score and he is praying where ever he is wishing Ramaphosa and his crew can uphold the dicision to suspend Malema. If they overturn the decision, Zuma is no more for sure.Report Abuse
Sinudeity
KALITO - No ways!Pap INCREASES your reasoning capabilities.
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blinddog
It appears ANC members vote with their hearts, and not their minds. I mean, what is it that Zuma promised the nation? other than he played victim all the time!Report Abuse
KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
@xBusi@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe
Why are we still stuggeling with the current level? The current level should not have anything to do with the past.
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If you dont look back in the past to see that you have fulfiled your promises to people or not you wont say you done well and have to move one.That is why our pasts make us who we are today and will make us again who we will be tomorrow.
Do you know the contents in freedom charter xBusi ?
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knnnnny
shower man is in trouble. lolReport Abuse
xBusi
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepeRemembering the past... even celebrating the past if ok. To dwell in the past is the problem.
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Pelezizu
Dear moderator Instead of blocking words for the sake of blocking, how about U replace them with sumthng like dis: ******* , dis will help evry1 N U wont seem dumb anymo. Thanx F#ckerReport Abuse
Call-me-Nkrumah
Thank you for a thought-provoking article Mr Mkhabela. This is what we want, when you take us seriously.Report Abuse
SeshegoGuY
@MadyekeJust because im criticising the president does not make me belong in those stupid camps of the ANC
........oh BTW not every black person belongs to the ANC u know (Just saying)
@Tupac Amaru
Insulting me won't get ur point across. Does Zuma have to finish his term before we can say he has failed??? Well then let me rephrase---SO FAR ZUMA HAS FAILED US
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SeshegoGuY
@Sowetan ModeratorIf there is one good thing u did, its getting rid of GOAT_Sp*rm
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chintu35
i think jocob zuma is dull and mbeki was smart even though he was an interllectual recluse he was smart to spark south african economy and both seen the struggle and also exposed on the world stage he was the best suited after Mandela people in south africa are just dull or to millitant for nothing to see realityReport Abuse
DisEnchanted
@KatakataEmaotoAditshepe*************************************************
Does the ANC not mention its past accomplishments as freedom fighters more then actually doing what its slogan says giving a " better life for all " ?
Do you as an ANC supporter not vote for the ANC because they are the liberators ?
Do you not ignore the problems and obvious flaws in the party because of what they did and not what they are doing
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